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At The Corner, Iraq News That Isn't
Reader SB points us to an entry today at The Corner, a blog belonging to National Review magazine, entitled "FROM IRAQ: A MARINE’S NOTES."
Among other things, the unnamed Marine tells the National Review that:
[M]orale among our guys is very high. They not only believe that they are winning, but that they are winning decisively. They are stunned and dismayed by what they see in the American press, whom they almost universally view as against them.
That sentiment seems a bit out of place, given that the president himself admitted last week the United States isn't winning the war. Granted, his words were widely reported by the media -- but that's hardly a reason to hate on the messenger.
Turns out the post is out of place, as SB discovered: the "MARINE'S NOTES" are actually an excerpt from an e-mail that circulated widely around November 2005, perhaps earlier.
The e-mail is said to have been written by an unnamed Marine or just-retired Marine, who had recently (at the time of the e-mail's alleged writing) returned from Iraq.
However, the differing provenances given by the blogs which reprinted the e-mail when it circulated last year makes it hard to confirm its authenticity:
I love it, "chain-letter politics." Do we risk a terrorist attack if we don't pass it on?
December 27, 2006 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I eagerly look forward to next week's National Review cover article on investment opportunities in Nigeria.
December 27, 2006 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chris R
LOL.
December 27, 2006 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
This no different than other "evidence" that circulates on the internets. I recently received a copy of a letter written by a guys uspposedly on the flight with the 6 imams, in which he recounts things that other people told him happened. He didn't actualy see the imams pray, but someone told him they had. "Why couldn't they schedule to fly after prayer time?"
In part, this stuff is due to the idea that critical thinking is not taught so much by schools and parents anymore.
December 27, 2006 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
National Review is obviously a rag used for propaganda. What a bunch of worthless humans that work there at the National Review. You have to beleive these neocons would place money way above the entegrity of the constitution. These assclown Neocons have to be stopped. I guess we're all counting on Polosi.
December 27, 2006 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The whole post is delusional, especially in the way it conflates Iran/Shia/Sunni/AlQaeda into one giant boogeyman:
"Lately, they are much more sophisticated "shape charges" (Iranian) specifically designed to penetrate armor. Fact: Most of the ready made IED's are supplied by Iran, who is also providing terrorists (Hezbollah types) to train the insurgents in their use and tactics....
Who are the bad guys…?
Most of the carnage is caused by the Zarqawi Al Qaeda group. They operate mostly in Anbar province (Fallujah and Ramadi). These are mostly "foreigners", non-Iraqi Sunni Arab Jihadists from all over the Muslim world (and Europe)."
So, we are to believe that Shiite Iranians are supplying the Sunni insurgents with IEDs? Please. Does Cliff May, who likes to play expert foreign policy guy on Fox News, actually believes this crap? Maybe he can do a followup post where he explains how the Shiites and Sunnis aren't really torturing and killing each other at a rate of 50 per day, and that they're actually all in collusion against the U.S. But that we can still install a stable secular Shia government. As my Air Force Lt. Col. buddy likes to say, the guy is smoking acid.
December 27, 2006 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are several of these sorts of emails that I've seen floating around, most of them well over a year old. One that didn't see wide circulation concerned a particular company of troops from the Tooele Army Depot in Utah. That one had a particularly religious cast to it (that these guys had done incredible things in Iraq for the LDS church) but it was mostly a rah-rah, look at how great the war in Iraq is going sort of thing. The company in question did serve very honorably in Iraq, but their story got blown way out of proportion. I think those guys who served deserve better. I guess in this case at least it's some unnamed marine, so no one personally is at risk of having their story told wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if there were other versions of this going around in smaller circles, similar to the email I got.
December 27, 2006 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, might mysterious rah rah statements echoing administration policies have anything at all to do with this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6100906.stm
December 27, 2006 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I guess in this case at least it's some unnamed marine, so no one personally is at risk of having their story told wrong"
Assuming, that is, that it wasn't somebody sitting at their computer terminal in pajamas in their mother's basement writing this . . .
December 27, 2006 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Ready-made IEDs?" Doesn't the "I" in "IED" stand for "improvised?"
December 27, 2006 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember this letter from a while back and it included a pretty major error:
"2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): .223 cal. Drum fed light machine gun. Big thumbs down."
http://strongasanoxandnearlyassmart.blogspot.com/2005/12/son-reports-real-war-in-iraq.html
There is no M243, there is a M249 SAW but it's also belt fed and not drum fed.
December 27, 2006 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again and always, propaganda propping up the puppet king is more important than actual thinking.
What amazes me is that this party and that administration can still get 30% in the polls. Who are those people?
December 27, 2006 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, might mysterious rah rah statements echoing administration policies have anything at all to do with this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6100906.stm
How can you be so cynical? You should be ashamed of yourself.
December 27, 2006 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone needs to teach the NRO folks how to check Snopes.com before passing chain letters along.
December 27, 2006 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, yes -- I'm sure an ordinary Marine fellow who talks casually about "our guys" is also going to use the terminology of "winning decisively" and "stunned and dismayed" and "almost universally", not to mention the grammatically correct use of "whom" in a sentence when 99 out of 100 people would have written "who" -- except for English majors in the military PR office, where I'm sure this message originated.
December 27, 2006 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
File that one under Straws, Gasping At. If Cliff May weren't such a jack-ass of long standing it'd be sad.
December 27, 2006 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
As you of course noted, many of us who posted the letter explained what we knew of its source. It's a pity the Liberal media is not as forthcoming. Forinstance, reporting fiction as fact in Fallujah. Letter to a Liberal
I'm sure you are fairminded and read Michael Yon's excellent letters from Iraq, which give you a "feet on the ground" look at what the main stream media doesn't see and report.
You also of course know of the faux news and photos produced in Lebanon by AP and Reuters.
Most of us are trying to be fair, and we're trying to get it right. We don't want to spread BS, unlike the main stream media.
Rathergate showed the power of the blogosphere, and CBS showed us the embarrassment when power is abused.
The story from the son in Iraq may not have been genuine. I said as much in my preface. But after over 21 years in the Air Force, and a son who served in Iraq for almost a year, I know that a lot the main stream media presents is incomplete and inaccurate.
December 27, 2006 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another Marine sez..
Anbar a No-Win Battle For U.S., Marines Say
By Dafna Linzer and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, November 28, 2006; Page A01
The U.S. military is no longer able to defeat a bloody insurgency in western Iraq or counter al-Qaeda's rising popularity there, according to newly disclosed details from a classified Marine Corps intelligence report
The five-page report -- written by Col. Peter Devlin, a senior and seasoned military intelligence officer with the Marine Expeditionary Force -- is marked secret, for dissemination to U.S. and allied troops in Iraq only.
December 27, 2006 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The rightist who wrote the above note offers not specific proof for his canned assertion about the media coverage from Iraq other than an iteration of taking points with no bearing on the specific matter here. if there is so much good news in iraq that we are missing, why can't the bushists at NRO find something better than a 13-month-old letter of questionable provenance> Has Major Mike read the inspector general reports out of iraq -- the ones that list untold construction and building fiascos at a cost to US taxpayers of billions? case in point: the $100M iraq police academy in baghdad -- so shoddy and fubared it has to be torn down and begun anew ... ? pls, major, show us this compendium of hidden "good news" where ever it might lie. for the sake of completeness and accuracy, if nothing else.
December 27, 2006 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The letter has been part of a PR campaign, someone at a sports site I frequent posated it up, "a friend" sent it to him.
Nice to avoid duplicity...
December 27, 2006 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I eagerly look forward to next week's National Review cover article on the Neiman Marcus chocolate chip cookie recipe.
December 27, 2006 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
This has the smell of being written by someone who has never been to Iraq.
I spent two years in Iraq advising the Iraqi government, and sitting side by side with good friends in the Army and Marines. No one in the military writes like this, officer or enlisted, only wanna-bes.
December 27, 2006 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Major Mike, I couldn't agree with you more about mainstream media. The DoD should take matters into its own hands and give us a copy of every reconstruction contract awarded to date accompanied by photos of the completed projects. Better yet, the Dod should video Iraqis enjoying all of the new infrastructure we've built to date.
What really burns me up is that mainstream media has completely ignored the FBI's investigation of Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael "Buzz" Moseley and retired Air Force Chief of Staff General John Jumper and their part in awarding a bogus $50 million contract to retired General Hal Hornburg's client, Strategic Message Solutions. Got an update for me, Major Mike?
Three former chiefs of the DIA are involved in the Mitchell Wade scandal but does mainstream media keep us up to date on that investigation? No, sirree, bob. Once again, the lowly taxpayer is left to wonder where the hell all of his or her money is going.
And what about that $9 billion that L. Paul Bremer and the CPA supposedly lost track of? Have you seen anyone in the media ask the Bush administration to explain how $9 billion was carted out of the building? I bet you are wondering just like me whether some of that $9 billion is fueling the insurgency and whether L. Paul Bremer is now a very wealthy man.
Don't count on mainstream media for answers, that's for sure.
December 27, 2006 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah! Come on folks. You just don't want to believe all the "good news" out of Iraq. Laura will set you straight. She apparently knows the real lowdown.
December 27, 2006 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would the Pentagon ever put out pure propaganda about how well the war was going?
December 1, 2005
U.S. Is Said to Pay to Plant Articles in Iraq Papers
New York Times
By JEFF GERTH and SCOTT SHANE
WASHINGTON, Nov. 30 - Titled "The Sands Are Blowing Toward a Democratic Iraq," an article written this week for publication in the Iraqi press was scornful of outsiders' pessimism about the country's future.
"Western press and frequently those self-styled 'objective' observers of Iraq are often critics of how we, the people of Iraq, are proceeding down the path in determining what is best for our nation," the article began. Quoting the Prophet Muhammad, it pleaded for unity and nonviolence.
December 27, 2006 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder how much Major Sockpuppet gets paid to write this kind of fiction? More than the average Weekly World News storywriter, I'd wager, and assuming he's a contractor, certainly more than the guys with the M16s.
What are the odds they could bag a Bigfoot with one of those fictional drum-fed machine guns, and include a photo in the next issue?
December 27, 2006 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh. A FOAF story. A Friend of a Friend said it! Waste of Time.
December 27, 2006 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Major Dumbass,
The CBS story was true. Only a coward would hide behind a technicality like that.
You should be strapped to a chair and forced to watch the reality of Iraq up close, for hours, Clockwork Orange style, until you cry and beg them to stop..
December 27, 2006 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
"What amazes me is that this party and that administration can still get 30% in the polls. Who are those people?"
theres always a 30%. 30% in the former USSR think stalin was the greatest too.
December 27, 2006 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another Lincoln Group special. Your tax dollars at work. Watching the wingnuts eat this stuff up is like listening to diehard Nazis talk about Der Fuehrer's miracle weapons.
December 28, 2006 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amount of time May/NRO kept this propaganda on file, waiting for enough time to pass to be able to desperately recycle the old, stale propaganda while also rationalizing the fervent hope that no one would notice that it was just old, stale propaganda that was being desperately recyled: about 13 months.
Amount of time it took for Justin and his readers to figure out and demonstrate that May/NRO were trying to get away with desperately recycling old, stale propaganda: about 3 hours.
Bushists are all about denying reality, including this aspect of current reality: the tubes of the internets have a memory, and there are people who know how to use it.
December 28, 2006 7:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Major Mike, hate to tell ya' but a career in USAF, however noble in intent, doesn't buy combat cred. I work daily with 'em and all but the most deluded agree that that icky combat shit is for retards in the Army and Corps.
They also instinctively react the same way you do to US media coverage. Suspiciously, the only watch FOX News - evidently the coverage is sooooo much better and the facts sound right!
I'm a retired Army retard but at least I get it - the troops wanna' believe that what they are doing is righteous so they listen to stuff like O'Reilly and FOX because it reinforces that in spades. I get it! But it doesn't make it accurate or a complete story!
Time to get real. There are lots of feel good stories in Iraq everyday at the "individual soldier level," but in the aggregate the American people don't want to hear about these touching stories when our men are getting eviscerated by hidden bombs. Face it, national news is about EXCEPTIONS, not the stuff from the Community News page of your local rag. And 3000 dead for no good damn reason is freaking news.
December 28, 2006 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keenan,
Bravo, man bravo. Faux news has daily briefings with the criminal Ollie North, where he talks to "real soldiers" inside the Green Zone to get their feel good story from Iraq. What a joke. It's disgusting that the wholly owned subsidiary of the Bush administration continues to try and re-package this illegal war to be more pallatable to American tastes. Like it's a god damned ESPN human interest story.
December 28, 2006 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
"There is no M243, there is a M249 SAW but it's also belt fed and not drum fed."
The M249 can also feed from plastic box magazines (200 rounds or so I think), and these are commonly seen in photographs of soldiers using them. Probably that is the "drum" being referred to. I don't think I've heard the term drum applied to a mag like that before but I can see how you might.
December 28, 2006 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I realize you have to wade through a cesspool full of Rambo-nuttery, but if you actually read the comments to the item on that site (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/133585.php) you will read the observations by more than a few Iraq War vets who cite a bevy of major inaccuracies about the note’s description of the ammunition, weaponry, etc...inaccuracies that no authentic Marine would make. One respondent, in fact, recalls seeing an almost identical note being circulated back in 1992!!!
In other words, ladies and germs, the entire note is as authentic as that e-mail you get from the deposed Nigerian price who wants you to open you bank account to he can dump his hidden wealth into it!
…But NOT as authentic as the e-mail about waking up in a bathtub full of ice—with your kidney removed!
December 28, 2006 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notice the "third person" usage in the e-mail purportedly from a marine over in Iraq.
This e-mail was probably a plant that was circulated by someone not serving over in Iraq, thus the usage of "they" instead of "we" when referencing U.S. marines on the ground in Iraq.
Possible propaganda spam from the Centcom ministry of propaganda that I heard the Bush administration and Rumsfeld established?
December 28, 2006 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ask the NSA who wrote it., they must have this game of 'telephone' tapped by now.
December 28, 2006 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
also, what the Oracle said.
Third person use is uncommon among the grunts, common among the officers discussing the grunts. My family has both.
December 28, 2006 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The story from the son in Iraq may not have been genuine. I said as much in my preface. But after over 21 years in the Air Force, and a son who served in Iraq for almost a year, I know that a lot the main stream media presents is incomplete and inaccurate.
And we're not torturing as many people as Stalin did, so it's all good.
December 28, 2006 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
So the new excuse for publishing false and fake material is that the news media does it too. And to Major Mike, if the "blogosphere" is so g.d. powerful, then why doesn't the b-sphere publish all the "good news" the MSM sinisterly refuses to report? Who is stopping you?
December 28, 2006 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
We will discourage the insurgents in Iraq if you forward this email angel to seven people in the next 45 seconds. We'll fund the war with the billions of dollars Bill Gates is going to give us for sending emails to each other. We can spread goodwill throughout the Middle East by forwarding the 1,359,463 cards sent to sick little Betsy Phillips who suffered from cancer...27 years ago. We can support the troops by baking a batch of those famous Nieman-Marcus cookies, now that we all have the recipe, and we can win the war by placing those nasty African spiders under the toilet seats of the enemies so they'll get bitten on the butt and die.
Cliff May is the sleaziest kind of whore. Send that to everyone in your address book.
December 28, 2006 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lookin' forward to all those new Blue Dogs saving our butts. Right? Right?
December 28, 2006 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
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December 29, 2006 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey this story probably raised support for the war by .0000002% when 6 US citizens were convinced we are winning now!
And anyway, Dan Rather!
So there!
December 29, 2006 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Going back to troop news....but with holiday travel related to the troops.
A troop movement in Kuwait comes soon...by an increase of some 3500 or so...and this comes ahead of Bush's 'new' plans for Iraq and also the State of the Union .
Of you holiday air travelers out there, did you notice any military members traveling as well...Marine, Army, Air Force and so on? They seemed to be at every gate.
I travel for the holidays every year and I noticed a lot more this year...The questions lingered Are they going home for the holidays? Are they headed back to Iraq?
Will they someday be on the U.S. death count? Another soldier sent to their death for a pack of lies ?
Did anyone else notice this travel flux this season?
December 29, 2006 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, it came up a few months ago that the Voice of America's Baghdad correspondent is steadily reporting these days--from Cairo. After her life was specifically threatened by insurgents. Who then killed her Iraqi translator-driver.
The Voice of America is the Administration's Official News Organ, sort of. It exists to make sure that the Good News gets published. It's George W. Bush's own Main Stream Media outlet. And, apparently, it's real dangerous out there. I recall this story every time someone like Major Mike starts bitching about the cowardice and duplicity of the MSM: the MSM that's on the gubmint payroll seems to be reporting exactly the same thing as CBS.
December 31, 2006 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
This goes to show hoe very shallow and simple minded the majority of people are.
This is really no different than Joe (I'm to scared to testify under oath) Wilson's Yellow cake uranium fiasco.
The implication is that the letter is a hoax and therefore: The War is a failure -or- all positive news is simply false propaganda.
I would guess that these "Letters" could be planted in Waite for them to appear in circulation for the purpose of being discredited by the same person who wrote them.
Going back to the Joe Wilson fiasco for example. Joe goes to Niger for the explicit purpose of discrediting Bush on weather Saddam tried to purchase Yellow Cake. He comes back and says that "They told me it was not so" right off the bat I'm thinking "So what is your point?" cause I see none at all. Then he proceeds to testify that an envoy was sent from Iraq to discuss reopening trade relations. BAM! There you go proof actually that Iraq did try to purchase yellow cake. Why you ask is this proof? Well you idiots because it is all that the country has to barter with Iraq. Also here is further proof Joe Wilson then went on later to say that there was a "Fake" receipt for the purchase of yellow cake. Coincidentally there is no "legal" way he should have know of said receipt. Of course this is a point Prosecutor Fitzgerald forgot to consider. But more importantly this fake receipt is proof that there was a concerted effort to discredit the claim. Think about it…….if our intelligence agencies want to they can easily come up with the receipt that would never be questioned as for validity. So what would be the motivation for submitting a poor forgery?
It is like I sell a stolen and unregistered handgun to a criminal who then kills someone with it. The gun is traced back to me. I'm under investigation so I have an obviously forged fake receipt made for the sale of the handgun from someone with my misspelled name and someone else’s handwriting on the misspelled signature.
Well that’s it right? I'm off the hook. The receipt doesn’t fit so you must acquit right?
You all are a bunch of lame brain clowns. What idiots.
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This is a bit late in the discussion but I can't help comenting that there is in a fact an M243 SAW. There is also an M240 SAW. The current model that made it into the field is as noted the M249. Both the M240 and M243 are magazine fed models that take both drums and stand M16 magazines as well as feed form a belt with the correct adapter. The M249 is a somewhat different and far superior iteration.
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The Marine's report is on-line with links to the weapons and annotations from an Aussie Officer who fought in Iraq.
http://www.kmike.com/IraqGrunt.htm
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What really burns me up is that mainstream media has completely ignored the FBI's investigation of Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael "Buzz" Moseley and retired Air Force Chief of Staff General John Jumper and their part in awarding a bogus $50 million contract to retired General Hal Hornburg's client, Strategic Message Solutions. Got an update for me, Major Mike?
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