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FEC Fines Swift Boat Vets $300K
Is the era of the millionaire-backed attack group coming to an end?
The Federal Election Commission hit the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth with a $299,500 fine today for playing too fast with election rules. The Swift Boat Vets were a "527" organization, which has no limits on contributions, but were acting like federal political committees, the FEC charged. 527s are allowed to work for or against certain candidates, but if they have no other "major purpose," according to FEC spokesman Bob Biersack, then they should register as a committee.
That's a huge difference. Committees can only accept $5,000 in contributions per person per year. The Swift Boat Vets, by comparison, accepted $4.4 million from GOP money man Bob Perry in 2004. Perry played the same trick in this year's election, throwing $9 million at three different 527 attack groups, which used it to target dozens of Democratic congressional candidates all over the country. Democrats have also taken advantage of 527s, and two liberal groups were fined today: MoveOn and the League of Conservation Voters.
If the FEC were to really crack down on this sort of thing (the 527 loophole has been an open secret for a number of years), as they've idly been threatening to do, then 2008 would be a remarkably different election than the past two cycles.
Update: I talked to David Donnelly, the director of Campaign Money Watch, who knows a lot about this sort of thing, and he said that these fines (and the ones rumored to follow soon), probably will have a significant deterring effect in the '08 elections.
Is the era of the millionaire-backed attack group coming to an end?
In a word, no. A $300K fine for a $4.4 million contribution is not my idea of deterrence.
December 13, 2006 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whay cool! It only cost $300K to buy a presidential election! And it only takes 4 year to find out. So what did Moveon get fined? Where's the rest of this story? Gotta know so we can see how Drudge will spin it!
December 13, 2006 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Citizens will continue to get the best governement that money can buy... for the corporations and monied interests.
God! how stupid we are being distracted by hot botton issues the don't mean a damn in the long run, while the we have twice the people in jail than China(!), Throwing money into a war that should not have been fought. We allow the President to set policy based on beliefs instead of Science.
In reality, THIS IS the Government we deserve and its eventual, fatal consequences.
December 13, 2006 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
5.5 million intake for a 300K slap on the wrist, that's good business for these jokers.
December 13, 2006 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
How many sick and starving children could have been taken care of with Perry's $4.4 million trash dollars. Some people are just far too rich, and arrogant, for their own good.
December 13, 2006 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Without even looking at the balance sheets of these 527s, I can pretty safely say that if they got $4.4 million from Bob Perry, it has long since been spent, and whoever is left holding the bag for the $300K fine IS hurtin' for certain. They won't soon carry his water again. The hopeful outcome of these results should be that anytime a rich bastard like Perry wants to influence an election with his money, he won't be able to do it semi-anonymously anymore. And like cockroaches, guys like Perry scurry from that kind of sunshine.
December 13, 2006 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with GentleCritic. I also wonder about the fine to MoveOn -- seems to me that MoveOn gets lots of its money from small contributions on the net which would mean it would hurt a lot less to be restricted to $5000/year/person. Am I right about this?
December 13, 2006 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bob Perry probably just told is sales people to bump up his new homes for sale prices by $1000 to cover the $300K
December 13, 2006 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
MoveOn also got some big donations from Soros. We should demonize Bob Perry like the right has done to Soros. The Swifties will have no trouble raising $300k to pay off their fine, from Bob Perry or other sources.
The other two fines for MoveOn and League of Conservation Voters (seemingly even more surprising) were $150k and $180k.
If it's so clear that they violated the rules, they should raise the fines quite a bit. Otherwise, it's just the cost of doing business. Whatever, there will always be some other loophole. Now some groups are 501(c)(4)s I believe.
December 13, 2006 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
A $300K fine for a $4.4 million contribution is not my idea of deterrence.
Posted by: Crust
Thank you! This is just a slap on the hand. The fine should have been in the millions.
December 13, 2006 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
You liberals have got it so wrong. The president is right, that's why he's the president. And he has surrounded himself with intelligunt people who, with their vast years of experience in the military and high office, he relies on for the most accurate assessment of the reality of Commie/Facist/Islamo plans to take over the world and take away our guns, just like you chickens want. That's why he's the decider, a do-gooder, and the MSM which is owned by liberal cut-and-runners like GE, Times/Warner, and Rupurt Mirdock are all in bed with the do-badders. He has a secret plan for total victory, so shut up, or else it won't be a secret and the traitors win! Do you want to lose? All this talk about saving lives and money and you never thought about what's good for America - Do you want to lose! I say we back him in whatever he wants to do because it's good for America. Pinheads for Bush say: Re-elect Bush in 2008!
December 13, 2006 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I read this comment by Carl Gordon just yesterday on another blog. Is this some kind of straw-man spam bot?
December 13, 2006 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the fines are miniscule compared to the contributions. There is, however, the possibility that the message has been sent, that in the future, the fine will be greater than the gift given to elect business friendly politicians.
Kennedy said it best "When you raise the bottom, the top will also rise." Trickle down is foolish thinking, but appealing to the rich.
December 13, 2006 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
the balance sheet still shows a profit for swiftboating, the fine is a pittance, now throw someone in the slammer... then we're talking
December 13, 2006 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why aren't all political acts of libel and slander simply tried in the courts?
December 13, 2006 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wanted to respond to Carl Gordon's post, that he's glad the President has "surrounded himself with intelligunt people." We need people who are intelligent (can spell) and who know the difference between real terrorists and Iraq. We also need people who will not circumvent the American electoral system to illegal install themselves and their minions--with the purpose of destroying our Constitution and the freedoms that we hold so dear.
December 13, 2006 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Carl Gordon's post is meant to be ironic, based on the tone and the phrase 'pinheads for Bush.' Surely even the pinheadiest pinhead would not refer to himself in such a way. Sort of a giveaway...
I'd like to know more about Moveon's violations. They, unlike Swiftboat, do actually have a continuing and distinct purpose, and so meet the definition of a 527. But the problem, as I see it, is not really the donation levels themselves- it's more of a disclosure issue.
December 13, 2006 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
ever since the unswift boatless so-called veterns with lies came into the forefront with their sick ads, I doubt every vet's record and their medals and esp. Mccain so-called record. That is the disservice Bob Perry did to America
December 13, 2006 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
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December 13, 2006 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the fines ought to be double of what the donation was. To make the fine only 10 per cent of the total money donated is a joke. That small a fine against such a large contribution won't hurt anybody.
December 13, 2006 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Justin, could you update the post to clarify what it is that MoveOn and LCV were fined for?
Since the League has been in existence and doing electoral work since before there was such a thing as 527s (okay, maybe the IRS category existed, but before McCain-Feingold and before 527s became a major recipient of political money). LCV's environmental issue focus (and connection to other environmental organizations) would seem to me to make it very hard to claim they don't have a 'major purpose' outside election activity.
So could you clarify how much MoveOn and LCV were fined, and for what offenses?
December 13, 2006 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, should have addressed myself to Paul. Too many windows open.
December 13, 2006 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bloomberg report By Jonathan D. Salant
"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will pay $299,500, the League of Conservation Voter Fund $180,000 and Moveon.org Voter Fund $150,000. They failed to register as political action committees as required for those campaigning for or against a particular candidate and thus should have been barred from accepting contributions greater than $5,000, the FEC said."
They were all basically fined for the same offence.
December 13, 2006 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
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But, to show his stupidity he says he is changing his plan in Iraq by keeping the same plan he has had for Iraq, Stay The Course, He just no longer uses the same words. Bush will be leaving the military there forever, because there has been an article published that said we would be fighting a war on terrorist for 50 to 100 years.
I wonder how people like Bush can sleep at night. I know they are arrogant idiots, which go though life with no conscience, screwing everyone that in their way, but continually killing and wounding our soldiers for your own arrogant, and corporate control.
December 13, 2006 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pete,
Your ironometer must be broken, Carl Gordon was pretty obviously attempting satire.
Cheers.
December 13, 2006 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to get too off topic but while Carl Gordon's post was pretty lame by itself, it's awfully funny how a satirical post like that which is obviously trying to be outlandish actually is still believable. Says a lot about the extreme dementia we are used to dealing with for the obsessively obedient Bush loyalists. It'd be fun to create a rightwing blog parody that is done totally straight-faced but is still outlandish - see how many nutcases we could get registered before letting 'em know they're insane fools.
December 14, 2006 4:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Regarding the idea of a parody blog of the extreme right-wingnut viewpoints advocating G W Bush and his supporters may I suggest that a certain Steven Colbert be consulted. He might have some good ideas.
December 14, 2006 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Terry. This sounds as if 527s are dead by FEC fiat -- or else have to budget in these levels of fines and legal expenses. Which is not going to happen if they can only take in $5000 from any one contributor.
December 14, 2006 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Couldn't happen to a nicer group! Rove and his boys have made it clear that Vietnam vets are good targets. This Houston bunch deserved a stiffer fine and the contempt of every person who has ever worn a uniform i the U.S. military, a uniform they have disgraced. Harry Haines, San Antonio, TX
December 14, 2006 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
They need to promise all of them no less than 5 years in a maximum security prison if any other incidents occur.
December 14, 2006 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
You want a real post? Here's a recent post from a childhood acquaintance, a middle-aged white divorcee from the East Coast who is "Republican, of course!":
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I have very trustworthy friends in very high places and I TRUST what our government is doing for our own security.
It is not a perfect plan. It takes years in war to find the right strategy and plan. Our govt and soldiers believe in what they are trying to do. It has not been easy and yes its time to change the strategy not pull out.
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December 17, 2006 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
The real battle is between middle class interests and corporate interests. Gay rights, guns, abortion, religion, and immigration are simply wedge issues used by the corporate interests to obfuscate the main issue.
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December 17, 2006 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
For a straight-faced, over the top parody of the far right, Bush loyalists, etc go to www.whitehouse.org They get actual hate mail from the true believers! Very therapeutic at times, especially Betty Bowers - the Best Christian in the world - at the Dept of Faith.
December 19, 2006 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm researching Bob Perry and discovered your web site. Thanks for the information, and especially the supporting documentation. Outstanding.
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Hmmm. How much did Democrat money man George Soros spend on his 527s? Oh yeah, that's irrelevant, he's a Democrat.
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As I read through the comments made. I find a good many of them actually made sense. However the one made by Vanna really stands out as what is wrong with the right wing I think it's time for those who profess to have a concept of christian beliefs to shut up until they get their facts straights. If Vanna is going to quote scripture maybe she should consider a bumper sticker I saw recently that said when Jesus said love your ememies I think he meant don't kill them. Which brings us to the question-why are they our enemies. For decards we have had policy of exploiting the world for our gain. No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
March 28, 2007 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
We have a paid group (SBVets) who castigates other war heros (Perry)for political gain. A president who surrounds himself with good ol' boys in the name of intelligence. We attack a nation armed with sticks for either faulty intelligence received by the GOBs or doing what daddy did not finish. Then we stay long enough to allow the opposition to become educated in methods and weaponry of terrorism. Meanwhile at home all the lives we are saving by being in Araq are being wasted by illigal aliens who have no restraints. However, we may have new allies who act just as we do with our lack of negotiations. Some of them are North Korea,Cuba,Iran,Venuzuala----. Yes my vote will go for a person who negotiates with the World and does not wear a cowboy hat.
April 5, 2007 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
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