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Dems to AG: How Many Prosecutors Have You Pushed Out?
At an oversight hearing this morning, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) grilled Attorney General Alberto Gonzales over the sudden departure of several U.S. Attorneys at the administration's request.
"How many U.S. Attorneys have been asked to resign in the past year?" Feinstein asked Gonzales.
"You're asking me to get into a public discussion" of personnel issues, Gonzales replied.
"I'm asking you to give me a number."
"I don't know the answer to that question," said Gonzales.
"You didn't know the answer when we spoke on Tuesday, but you said you would find out," Feinstein pressed.
Gonzales referred to a letter his office had sent Feinstein earlier in the week on the issue.
"I read the letter," Feinstein shot back. Gonzales denied the administration had any tricks up its sleeve and was only trying to do what was best.
"Do you deny that your office has asked U.S. Attorneys to resign in the past year?" Feinstein asked.
"I don't deny that," Gonzales said. "But that happens in every administration, during different periods for different reasons. . . Some people should view that as a sign of good management."
Questions from the panel moved on to other subjects, and perhaps Gonzales thought he was off the hook. Then Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) spoke up.
"If we take a break for lunch," Leahy asked him, "would it be possible to get the number Sen. Feinstein asked for?"
Gonzales fished around for an answer, and finally answered, "I think so." But then he said he couldn't get into a public discussion of personnel matters.
"I don't care about the people," Leahy shot back. "Just get us the numbers."
Apparently this has been going on for some time now.
Bush removal ended Guam investigation
US attorney's demotion halted probe of lobbyist
Boston Globe- August 8, 2005
WASHINGTON -- A US grand jury in Guam opened an investigation of controversial lobbyist Jack Abramoff more than two years ago, but President Bush removed the supervising federal prosecutor, and the probe ended soon after. ...
http://tinyurl.com/b76k6
January 18, 2007 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Specter just made it easier for them.
January 18, 2007 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
check this out, if true will make for nice evidence at war crimes trial
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6274147.stm
January 18, 2007 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Abu-Al Gonzales continues to stonewall the senators, perhaps a little waterboarding may be called for.
January 18, 2007 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
[Gonzalez] "...couldn't get into a public discussion of personnel matters"
Personnel matters? These are political appointments. Congress can't ask about political appointments?
January 18, 2007 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am so tired of this. Please dear God, can we just have an ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES who isn't a lying mobster? Who works for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and everyone who lives here? Who supports the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
Pardon me for shouting. It's either that, or break out the baseball bats and tire chains.
January 18, 2007 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Specter the enabler. Gonzales the perk.
January 18, 2007 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most of this will probably be a waste of time. Least we forget... presidential pardons override everything...
January 18, 2007 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
So do bullets!
January 18, 2007 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can we start talking about impeaching Alberto Gonzales now?
January 18, 2007 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gonzales (spokesperson for Bush neocon masters) has backed Torture and is now helping to advance America by and for the Corporations.
This is Not my America and Not the America of our founding fathers.
January 18, 2007 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gonzales (spokesperson for Bush neocon masters) has backed Torture and is now helping to advance America by and for the Corporations.
This is Not my America and Not the America of our founding fathers.
January 18, 2007 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gonzales (spokesperson for Bush neocon masters) has backed Torture and is now helping to advance America by and for the Corporations.
This is Not my America and Not the America of our founding fathers.
January 18, 2007 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure would be nice if Leahy came back from lunch with articles of impeachment. "Attorney General Gonzales, since you have repeatedly demonstrated to this Congress that you either can't or won't do your job, we will remove you from office. Today."
January 18, 2007 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sooo, the messge Gonzales seems to be sending to US attornys is: Rock the boat and you're history.Hmm, wonder how secure Patrick Fitzgerald's job is?
January 18, 2007 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Specter to Gonzales: "when did you last read the case?"
LOL
January 18, 2007 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gonzales should actually be easy to impeach compared to Bush and Cheney. He is the chief law enforcement officer and there are numerous examples, habeus corpus, warrantless wiretapping, this potential abuse of power cover up to nail him specifically.
Actually, he should be impeached for his actions. He is a criminal. I know this language is impolite, but does anybody really dispute it in the reality based world?
January 18, 2007 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
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January 18, 2007 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
They should haul him in once a week for the duration of this Congress. There is so much to cover.
January 18, 2007 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just wait. Congressional Republicans have the look, and in some cases are uttering the words, of helpless sailors aboard a sinking ship. They may get desperate enough in coming months to support impeachment; anything to save their own skins.
January 18, 2007 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, Leahy is MAD AS HELL! This is so refreshing to listen to.
January 18, 2007 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Gonzales under oath?
January 18, 2007 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Is Gonzales under oath?
Posted by: tbhull"
I think so - I heard him say so. Something like, "I am under oath so I have to answer this carefully," or words to that effect.
January 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
now we see if the dems. have any stones ...
January 18, 2007 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
If he is under oath, that number better be accurate.
January 18, 2007 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Most of this will probably be a waste of time. Least we forget... presidential pardons override everything..."
Presidential pardons don't override EVERYTHING. For example, they don't override INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES TRIALS, like the ones that have already been suggested in Spain.
January 18, 2007 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's time to cut to the chase, and defund all government activities designed to secure the persons of the president and vice president.
January 18, 2007 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
So if you weren't under oath, you'd feel free to lie. Thanks for clearing that up.
January 18, 2007 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watched our AG last night on CSPAN. When he was asked about the firings of the federal prosecutors, he behaved as if this was a funny and ludricrous thing to be questioned on. Why? Because it was dismissed as coming from "the bloggers."
January 18, 2007 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bring in the troops.. We are dealing with a hostile government and we must save our democratic form of government. Let Freedom Ring!!!
January 18, 2007 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the Democratic Senators, along with any Republicans or Independents that have enough actual spine, need to do is get to the bottom of these truth-holes. Because, there is nothing like being screwed by a truth-hole. And, truth be told, I'm tired of being screwed by truth-holes.
January 18, 2007 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am curious as to why Gonzales believes that calling the area of questioning "a personnel matter" suddenly makes it off limits? Why did not one member of the committee stand up and take offense to this dodge for the BS that it is? If the theory is that US Attorneys are being systematically fired for ding their jobs and investigating corruption, what right does the administration have to hide from that inquiry? i understand that many here are happy that the committee is starting to stand up a bit, but it is to little. Gonzales should have been rocked on his heels for this mendacity.
January 18, 2007 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
When the appointee has been confirmed by the Senate their dismissal is a Senate matter.
January 18, 2007 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gonzalez is attempting to put on a show pretending that he thinks the same old arrogant, above reproach, crapola will go unchallenged, but those days are over. He is, I guarantee, running scared. He no longer has anywhere to hide.
January 18, 2007 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
johnnydoughey:
Presidential pardons don't ovverride impeachments.
John Dean has the right idea:
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20061215.html
We can start with Gonzalez.
January 18, 2007 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Leahy can't initiate impeachment as this process begins in the House.
January 18, 2007 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am so ashamed that Gonzalez went to Rice.
January 18, 2007 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Leahy can't initiate impeachment as this process begins in the House.
Posted by: Malcalypse
Hey, Malcalypse, don't you think the House would be happy to oblige? Remember, in the House it only takes a simple majority to impeach.
January 18, 2007 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there were only some way to look into the future, Barbara Bush would have been sterilized as a teenager and Gonzalez' parents would have been deported by the migras.
January 18, 2007 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
wasn't there also a prosecutor in the marianas who was fired when he got too close to jack abramoff?
carol
January 18, 2007 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its obvious what Bush and Gonzales are up to...stop any and all investigations of past, present and future GOP wrongdoing...a C.Y.A. maneuver, pure and simple....will the Democratic Congress cave in...? I like the impeachment of Gonzales card...wouldn't that freak Bush out...you go Patrick Leahy....keep in the back of your mind "the dark side" Cheneys nasty retort to you on the Senate floor...remember that.."GO F--K yourself" and then go get them..
January 18, 2007 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are not even bothering to nominate the new USAs.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/nominations/index-date.html
January 18, 2007 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Gonzales refuses to give a number can't the Senate hold him in prison for contempt?
January 18, 2007 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just tuned back in and heard some Senator, whom I didn't recognize, asking Gonzales about who could compel answers from him and whether the chairman could, or words to that effect. What was that all about? It sounded a bit tense, as if this Senator was getting pissed about Gonzales and his refusal to answer the tough questions.
January 18, 2007 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where can you listen to the hearings. I can't find them anywhere?
January 18, 2007 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Where can you listen to the hearings. I can't find them anywhere?
Posted by: Alma"
There was a feed directly from the judiciary committee website. However, the hearing is over.
January 18, 2007 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
alberto al gonzales al salaam et tutu. amazingly he has become a dead brain.
January 18, 2007 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone have a link to transcripts? Or archive of the audio?
January 18, 2007 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can someone organize a pool for when in the next couple of years the generals will have had enough and stage a coup?
January 18, 2007 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bookmark www.capitolhearings.org to get live feed of all Senate hearings. They have the entire schedule listed by category. Also, C-Span will give you a live feed of Congressional action.
January 18, 2007 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alberto impeachment drumbeat!
Call/write your congresscritter.
January 18, 2007 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone know if he got back with the numbers? Where can I get a transcript/video?
-p
January 18, 2007 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
In February I am to report to the U.S. District Court in Santa Ana for jury duty. The trial has a 5 month time estimate. If I make it to the jury box and am asked if I can be fair, I must respond that I cannot be because I fear that the U.S. Attorney's Office has been politicized.
January 18, 2007 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
These cretins need to be gotten after, darn tooting the House would start impeachment preceedings against AG Gonzales. And somewhere in that melee ,maybe we can turn us a Neo Con or two -- get ourselves a "deep throat" of our own .
We can & must break open the BUSHCO can of worms. Now is the time to lean on all of the Moderate Republicans,before we start bombing Iran are something equally Orwellian .
"These are the times that try Men's Souls"
Al in Austex
January 18, 2007 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The hearing ended very abruptly about a half hour after the lunch break. I thought there was either a bomb threat or the Senators were going to be arrested by bush. People on the Democratic Underground thread following the hearings were at a loss as to why the hearings ended so quickly. I don't think Gonzo was even asked for the number. No one is commenting on the very strange and abrupt end of this hearing.
CSPAN did not cover it LIVE as they are required to do under their charter to provide gavel to gavel coverage and one poster thought this was deliberate. Any further info on why Leahy adjourned so quickly would be appreciated. Has anyone seen our Congresspersons since the 2:38 pm adjournment of this hearing?
I hear that this site now has the hearings vid:
http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp
January 18, 2007 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can save Gonzalez the trouble: His office will replace however many prosecutors might do their jobs by pursuing crimes committed by Republicans, especially if those Republicans could implicate people higher up on the food chain.
And guess who inserted a little amendment into the Patriot Act to make it legal?
Arlen Specter, of course. But only because Joe Lieberman was busy.
January 19, 2007 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gonzales should be removed from office. He has zero respect for the rule of law. He enables the administration to disregard the rule of law. His actions are producing anarachy in America. He has failed in his job to the American people, after all he does work for US not BUSH>
January 19, 2007 6:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. So our current Attorney General believes the fundamental idea of three equal branches of government is wrong. Well if he doesn't like America so much maybe he should get out!
January 19, 2007 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
You people are just a bunch of haters and bahers and trashers. You should all get a life. Be ashamed, very ashamed of yourselves.
January 19, 2007 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
You people are just a bunch of haters and bahers and trashers. You should all get a life. Be ashamed, very ashamed of yourselves.
January 19, 2007 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
'bahers' as in sheep?
Oh sister Mary, are you fine with US Attys (at least two of which were looking into Abrahamoff-related affairs, recall his 150+ visits to the White House) being forced to resign, and in at least one case the replacement appointment, without the advice or consent of the Senate (hat tip to Arlen), being a Republican political operative whose 'career' has been in opposition research?
We're just a bunch of folks who miss our country -- it sailed away 6 years ago -- and want it back!
January 19, 2007 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
So did he ever come back with a number?
Leahy should also request that the numbers be catagorized by reason for the dismissals. No names, just numbers and REASONS.
Since it's taking so long, the red flags say make the DOJ do this report right.
January 19, 2007 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
You people are just a bunch of haters and bahers and trashers. You should all get a life. Be ashamed, very ashamed of yourselves.
Posted by: Mary
Well, Mary, we have every reason to be angry. In case you haven't noticed, many of the things that made this country great have been trod upon by Bush and Co.
Let me ask you this: What is there to be proud of with this Administration. And please leave out the incorrect idea that this bunch has made this country "safe".
Mark
January 19, 2007 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bahers of the World, Untie!
January 20, 2007 6:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know what would wipe that smarmy grin off of Mr. Gonzales' face; make him testify under oath, and charge him with evading questions asked by the Senate, if he continues with his dishonest non-answers, stalling, and obfuscation. The Senators are not dumb, so they know they can put a stop to a man who is complicit with the alleged crimes of the Bush administration.
Congress needs to write a piece of legislation that states that the president has the right to pardon certain people, but not if no time has been served, and not for attempts to undermine the Constitution, the rule of law, acts of treason, and betrayal of the public trust.
January 20, 2007 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know what would wipe that smarmy grin off of Mr. Gonzales' face; make him testify under oath, and charge him with evading questions asked by the Senate, if he continues with his dishonest non-answers, stalling, and obfuscation. The Senators are not dumb, so they know they can put a stop to a man who is complicit with the alleged crimes of the Bush administration.
Congress needs to write a piece of legislation that states that the president has the right to pardon certain people, but not if no time has been served, and not for attempts to undermine the Constitution, the rule of law, acts of treason, and betrayal of the public trust.
January 20, 2007 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I grew up you would have called a country that was being run this way a Banana Republic. It's a shame that our Pres and past Congress have dismantled so much of what the USA stands for around the world.
January 20, 2007 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
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January 22, 2007 6:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, I doubt we can count on Congress -- Dem or Repub -- to impeach anybody, especially the Bush or Cheney, until they hear the call loud enough from the American people like during Nixon. People were in the streets almost nonstop.
Thinks have changed but it still wouldn't take much. An ongoing coordinated effort of a couple-dozen protestors at every district office of every member of Congress, ten hours per day for a few weeks would probably be enough to get the wheels solidly in motion.
Saul Alinsky reminds that one must pick one's target carfully -- not too big so as to be too difficult to topple, and not to small so as to appear as an insignificant victory. Ashcroft and Gonzalez seem appropriate.
Once the can is open and the worms start slithering, the rats will start to squeel and entire Bush/Cheney team wont have anywhere to hide.
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