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WaPo: House Dems to Block Escalation Funds

What happens when Democrats seek to block funding for a troop increase that's already under way?

We're gonna find out. The Washington Post reports that House Democrats, led by the hard-charging Rep. John Murtha (D-PA), have settled on a strategy of "legislative language that could stop an escalation of troops." Or as House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.) put it, "Twenty-one thousand five hundred troops ought to have 21,500 strings attached to them." It's not yet clear when they'd make their move.

As we said earlier this week, with a White House that's accustomed to ignoring limits to its power, things are liable to get very, very interesting.


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I said it at the time, Murtha is far more effective in his current position in the House than he would have been as House Majority Leader.

The Supreme Court is sure to get involved in this power play at some time in the future. We just don't know at this time which way the 5-4 vote will go. It could truly go either way.

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Just called my rep (John Hall, NY) and told his office I fully support Murtha on this... we all need to ring the phones off the hooks!

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I think that if the Democrats are serious about ending this mess they should ask for a vote on a WAR tax. If the Republicans are seiously behind the war they will vote for the American people to fund it.

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I agree. The Democrats should say that if the President insists on escalating his mistakes than he needs to pay for them. This administration has already run up more debt than any in history. When you are running deficits and you pass "tax cuts" they are really just more loans, piling on more debt for the future tax payers. Republicana don't believe in paying their bills. The Democrats should force this issue, introduce a bill with an up or down vote for a "Bush Iraq War Tax Increase" and force the hypocrits to vote for the war but against paying for it.

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But wouldn't a War Tax be a tacit acceptance of the escalation?

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Murtha seems to understand what I've been saying for some time now. The only thing Bush understands is a metephorical whack to the side of the head with a 2x4. Anything else is ignored.

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OC: Bush? metaphor? He has trouble with individual words..just get a REAL 2x4 and really apply it to his noggin.

I'm with Alex, the war has cost so much already in part because of how mercenary the benefiting corporate freinds of the V.P. and Pentagon have been. The total armed staff if you count all non-uniform and non-american forces in Iraq that we taxpayers ultimately pay for is also much more a force of mercenaries than generally admitted. Bush and friends are very wealthy people. Let them hire their own little army and bring no more shame and hatred on our country.

"...A democratic Iraq will not be perfect. But it will be a country that fights terrorists instead of harboring them,..." -Dubya

From a speech written around that clunker of a lie, what can be believed, followed or obeyed?

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A War Surcharge Tax of at least 30% on individuals of incomes over $150k (couples - $300k) and a war surcharge tax of at least 50% on corporations, will do more to end this war than anything else.

Once you hit the Bush supporters in the only place they feel pain - taxes - they will do what millions of Americans couldn't do in November. It will not only get Bush's attention - it will force him to declare 'victory' and get the hell out of Dodge.

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I completely agree with the war tax proposal and the income limits on it. I can't think of a better way to link the costs of the war to those who have been most immune to its domestic effects.

This isn't a bad way to move forward either. As a great way to prove which party is more fiscally responsible, make it impossible for Bush to implement any new policy without providing immediate full funding for it. You want more troops? OK, that's going to cost taxpayers $XX billion starting now.

Oil company subsidies? That money has got to come from somewhere.

Invading Iran? It's a shame that's going to mean $4.00/gallon for gas.

Honestly, I wish this was how every single dollar spent by the government was provided. Even if it only means the average taxpayer is going to spend $0.03 per year for a program, that accounting should be a mandatory part of any spending bill. There is no reason in this age of information for any ambiguity in what a government program should cost, and no reason why that price tag isn't prominently displayed for everybody to see.

Even if it means borrowing money, it should be no different than any loan we get: we know the amount, the term, the monthly payments, and how much more it will cost us over paying cash.

There could be a subtitle to every bill that says, "If passed, this legislation will increase the average taxpayer's cost by $22.57 per year for the next 15 years." Then my representative can explain to me why it's important that I pay that much during the next election cycle.

Of course, I might as well wish for 6-week mandatory paid vacations, my own clean fusion reactor, and a trained monkey to cook and keep my house clean. (I only get 2 weeks, and both the monkey and the reactor aren't as clean as I'd like...just ask the neighbors.)

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I don't know what Rep. Murtha's ultimate objective is. As a practical matter, though, he is establishing grounds for potential impeachment. Few Americans advocate impeachment of Bush at this point. However, if Bush were to start a third war against Iran, many more and may even most Americans would want Bush removed. The problem, of course, is that the Constitution does not provide for the removal of a President whose offense arises principly from his incompetence.

Article 1 of the Constitution gives the Congress the power to establish and provide funding for an Army and Navy and to declare war. The President then is the Commander in Chief. Thus, the Constitution provides for an equally shared power to wage war.

As a practical matter, though, for over a 100 years, Congress has been prevented from exercising its appropriate role in deciding whether to go to war. The only way to stop Bush, if he is determined to go ahead with his reckless war-making, is for Congress to reassert its Constitutionally-endowed role as equal partner in making war.

Once Congress has re-established its rights to control the decision to go to war, the amount spent on war and the way in which those funds are spent, a President that proceeds to war without the genuine consent of Congress is guilty of a high crime. Thus, it is essential for Congress to reassert its equal role in making war as originally articulated in the Constitution.

Rep. Murtha's determination to use the budgeting process to constrain Bush's war-making ability is entirely appropriate and even necessary. Furthemore, his activity has implications far beyond the narrow use of trying to stop the currently proposed escalation of the Iraq war.

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dbrown... one of the best comments I've seen here. What you said.

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Here is the question that I have...

Congress has the power of the purse, no doubt about that. They can choose whether or not to provide funds for the war. Once the funds are provided, however, can they really dictate where the individual dollars and cents are spent? Can they really say, "Here is X amount of $...you cannot spend any of this on additional troops." Wouldn't that interfere with the Presidents powers as Commander in Chief, and be unconstitutional? Wouldn't the current Supreme Court almost certainly see things that way?

I'm not a lawyer, so I have no idea what the answer to these questions are. Anybody here have a legal background sufficient to answer? Have there been any historical parallels to this, any precedents set?

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Just called my rep (John Hall, NY) and told his office I fully support Murtha on this... we all need to ring the phones off the hooks!
Posted by: Wayne Schutz
Date: January 11, 2007 12:27 PM

I think it`s a great idea to call your rep.I was going to call mine(Jean Schmidt,Oh., dist.# 2) but....
Maybe I`ll call her and tell her we should "cut and jog," as I hear she is an avid jogger.

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I'm of the opinion that Iraq Study Group got it about right when they said we should shoot for getting the troops out by the first quarter of 2008. The only part they got wrong was that it's not the Iraqis we need to notify--it's Bush. Congress should apportion all fund requests from the White House so the money gets paid out quarterly. Then they should inform the president that no funds will be available after the end of March, 2008 unless the redeployment goals set by Congress have been met.

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I hope there are enough brave men in congress to stand up to these criminals.I have great respect for Murtha,none for my rep.,Jean Schmidt who did Bush`s bidding when she attacked him on the House floor.
We need more congressmen like Dennis Kucinich and the 70 or so members who are in favor of a cabinet position Department of Peace.

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We should also be calling/e-mailing our Senators - all Democrats and the Republicans that are up for re-election in 2008, and tell them we want active leadership to stop the escalation, not just a symbolic resolution.

Here is the letter I sent recently:

Dear Senator Obama,

I write as an early and active supporter of yours to ask you to lead Congressional efforts to stop President Bush from escalating the War in Iraq. As you know, the best option in Iraq now is to begin a phased redeployment of our troops so that the Iraqis can take responsibility for their country. Escalation would delay this necessary solution, trap even more of our troops in the crossfire of a civil war, and divert needed troops and resources from critical operations in Afghanistan. That is why the American public, leading generals, and the troops on the ground oppose escalation.

President Bush has shown himself unwilling to listen to the American people and, therefore, Congress must act to prevent this escalation. Words are not enough. I urge you to sponsor and support legislation that would prevent the Administration from sending any additional troops to Iraq without express authorization from Congress. The American people made clear in the last election that they wanted the Democrats to lead on this and other critical issues facing the country. Now is the time to provide that leadership

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/11/132431/340

Brownback Became Opposed After Visiting Iraq

I thought it was particularly interesting that Senator Brownback, a very right wing conservative Senator, changed his position on Iraq after visiting there this week.

Senator Obama mentioned this to KO after the speech. He said Brownback issued a press release in opposition to the escalation and that he issued it from Baghdad.

Brownback's Press Release states:

I do not believe that sending more troops to Iraq is the answer," said Brownback. "Iraq requires a political rather than a military solution. In the last two days, I have met with Prime Minister Maliki, with two deputy presidents and the president of the Kurdish region. I came away from these meetings convinced that the United States should not increase its involvement until Sunnis and Shi'a are more willing to cooperate with each other instead of shooting at each other.

During a two day visit to Iraq, Brownback met with several Iraqi and U.S. officials, including U.S. Generals Raymond Odierno and George Casey, Jr., and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad.

I wonder how he feels knowing that Bush is ignoring him just as he is ignoring everyone else.

---- Raw story reported three large explosions inside Iran this AM. We all know how to get to Raw Story. It's still up. Could be ominous.

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I like the 30% War Tax on individual incomes over $150,000 and 50% on incomes over $500,000. I would waive the tax on any family with a child in Iraq or Afghanistan or a veteren of these conflicts.

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We need a Boland Amendment incorporated into this effort to make it ILLEGAL to conduct offensive military operations against Iran, or Syria without explicit approval from congress. Otherwise, we'll be at war with Iran within weeks.

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Also waive it on anyone who opposes the war.

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In as much that the dems are spoiling for a showdown, it became pretty apparent yesterday on Meet the Press when Hadley let it slip that the vote for funding would actually come down to supporting the troops after they are in country already

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