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Goodling to House Dems: I'm Not Talking to You, Either
In a letter to House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-MI) today, Justice Department official Monica Goodling's lawyer informed the committtee that she would plead the Fifth if called.
The committee struck a deal last night for the testimony of eight Justice Department officials, Goodling among them.
Goodling's letter was nearly identical to an earlier letter sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee.
But there was one interesting detail in the letter: "Ms. Goodling remains actively employed by the Department of Justice, though she is temporarily and voluntarily using some of her accrued leave time," John Dowd, Goodling's lawyer, writes [my emphasis].
So just to be clear: the departure from the Justice Department of the two aides (Goodling and Kyle Sampson) at the center of the U.S. attorney firings has lent the appearance that they were called to task. But that's not at all true. Sampson left voluntarily, even remaining on the payroll for a number of days after he resigned -- until questions were raised. And Goodling hasn't really left at all. And, despite having pled the Fifth, she apparently plans to return to her job as if nothing ever happened.













Has anyone seen this?
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/215
March 30, 2007 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jeffrey Taylor's bio on the USAO site (http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/dc/US_Attorney/index.html) lists him as being in private practice from 1992 to 1995. Someone with the same name (and middle initial) worked at Latham and Watkins and donated to the Lincoln Club of San Diego County in 1994. Here's what the club has to say about itself: "The Lincoln Club of San Diego County is the premier business-friendly membership organization in the region accustomed to flexing its prowess as a powerful advocate and financial supporter of fiscally conservative candidates and pro-taxpayer causes throughout San Diego County."
I know that Latham & Watkins has popped up before. This is from a press release from their site: "Latham & Watkins LLP is pleased to announce that Alice Fisher is rejoining Latham & Watkins as a partner in the firm’s Litigation Department in Washington, D.C. after serving as Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division in the U.S. Department of Justice since July 2001."
Here's anther (also from their site): "Latham & Watkins LLP is pleased to announce that after nearly three years of service at the White House, the Department of Justice and on the Bush-Cheney Presidential Transition Team, Philip Perry has rejoined Latham & Watkins as a partner in the firm’s Litigation Department in Washington, D.C."
From SourceWatch's page defining the government-industry revolving door: Jeffrey Holmstead
"assistant EPA administrator for air quality. Previously a lobbyist with the firm of Latham & Watkins, Holmstead represented electric utilities trying to fight air pollution restrictions, and he represented the Farm Bureau conglomerate in its fights against pesticide controls. Now inside, he's a key player pushing Bush's Clear Skies initiative, which will allow a 520 percent increase in toxic mercury pollution, a 225 percent jump in carbon dioxide pollution (a global warming contaminant), and a delay in the enforcement of smog and soot pollution until 2016. In charge of writing a new rule to limit mercury poisoning of children by electric power plants, Holmstead embraced a watered-down rule that essentially was written by his old lobbying firm of Latham & Watkins."
March 30, 2007 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, how much of his millions did he give to the Republican Party?
March 30, 2007 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
One more thing. Alice Fisher (late of L&W) was the lead prosecutor in the Abramoff case. D'oh.
March 30, 2007 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks to today's WaPo, we all know Monica is a snot-nosed bitch and a GOP political operative of the worst kind. Bets Little Miss Evangelical was in on Griffin's despicable scheme to suppress black voters in Florida?
Why was Monica prosecuting low-level criminal cases in the fall of 2004? Was the third-rate law school grad in line for a USA position? Why did McNulty only assign cases defended by the Federal Public Defender's Office to Monica?
Check my TPM Cafe Post (link below) for details of cases handled by Monica.
March 30, 2007 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope the cajones on our esteemed House members makes sure that she stays for quite a long time in that chair of hers and has on record her pleading the Fifth time and time again.
Is it acceptable to ask a DoJ liason on "voluntary leave" what specific aspect of the Fifth she is invoking? -- Or is that "plead Fifth" in itself?
March 30, 2007 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tom in AZ@March 30, 2007 05:37 PM
Thanks, Tom! I posted a live link to the story below.
I've been following the Walter Anderson case and it was a slam dunk. Taylor is not only a Bush stooge, he is a fucking idiot.
From Buzzflash:
U.S. Attorney Botches Biggest Ever Tax Fraud Case, Keeps Job. Treasury out $100+ Million
"The U.S. Attorney Scandal has struck a new victim: the American taxpayer. A judge ruled Wednesday that an epic blunder by federal prosecutors in the largest tax prosecution ever means that the treasury can't recoup at least $100 million in restitution.
Telecommunications entrepreneur Walter Anderson pled guilty to tax evasion, but U.S. District Judge Paul Friedman said the binding plea agreement listed the wrong statute. This problem could have been overcome had prosecutors not failed to include any discussion of probation as is routine in such deals.
Because of the technicality, Judge Friedman said, "I've come to the conclusion, very reluctantly, that I have no authority to order restitution. . . . This is a very poorly drafted agreement."
The case was prosecuted by the office of the interim U.S. Attorney for D.C., Jeffrey A. Taylor. Taylor was appointed directly by Attorney General Gonzales without Senate confirmation in November 2006 under a provision of the Patriot Act that Congress has recently voted to reverse..."
Sure enough, Taylor came straight from the Bush Administration. He served as Counselor to Attorney Generals John Ashcroft and Gonzales for four years prior to his selection. Before that he worked as an aide to Sen. Orrin Hatch, where he actually participated in the writing of the Patriot Act..."
What other cases could "Interim" U.S. Attorney for D.C., Jeffrey A. Taylor fuck up intentionally or otherwise? Let's see - Abramoff, Wade, Weldon, Gibbons etc, etc etc
We already know Taylor covered up the Griles investigation. He knew Abramoff wasn't the only one bribing Gale Norton's long time buddy, Italia Federici but he was ordered to keep Norton's name out of it.
March 30, 2007 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Monica Goodling has her position due to having a father that served in congress for almost 30 years. She is completely unqualified. Prior to this job her lone legal experience was defending people in traffic court.
March 30, 2007 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can this woman retain her job with the Justice dept.when she has refused to provide information.Let me plead the fifth and then demand that she be fired is what congress needs to do!
March 30, 2007 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good lord, Jeff Taylor looks like.....
you guessed it.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/dc/US_Attorney/index.html
The Stepford Men
March 30, 2007 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two sides of the same coin:
Goodling's "I don't have to testify because members of the committee have made statements that Justice officials may have lied to them, which means I wouldn't be treated fairly."
Dana Perino's "no evidence of wrongdoing."
So if committee members don't declare they think there was wrongdoing, they have no right to compel Executive Branch officials to testify, and if they do declare it, then they're not objective and Executive Branch officials don't have to testify.
Neat trick! It's almost as good as how every administration crime goes from being "a matter that we can't talk about because it's under investigation" to "a matter that we don't need to talk about because it's in the past."
March 30, 2007 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mrs. Pantstreppon, you rock! I've been reading your posts about Goodling and wondering if they were getting her ready for a USA job after the 2004 elections. Great info you are digging up.
March 30, 2007 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The White House's problem is that it built its excessive power grab on a house of cards. "Normal" govt is pretty robust; look how much of it has survived Mr. Bush's abuse. This power grab, however, is supportable only so long as the rank and file don't talk, and don't suddenly find those documents previously erased from their hard drives, blackberries, phones, and e-mail servers.
Dick Cheney's son-in-law has done enormous damage, for example, but he's gone back to his law firm, twice. For each of them, there are a thousand Ms. Goodlings who don't have his money or prospects or protection; each of them could be a fulcrum that could topple a govt.
March 30, 2007 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe T2@March 30, 2007 06:27 PM
Wrong.
From Monica Watch:
Former 13-term Congressman William "Bill" Goodling told the York Daily that he is not related to Monica.
Monica is a native of York Haven, PA. DOB is 8/73.
Cindy and William Fitts are her mother and stepfather and they live in Osceola Mills, PA.
Graduated Northeastern High School, Manchester, PA - 1991
Graduated Messiah College - 1995
Attended American U.'s Wshignton College of Law School - 1995-1996
Attended a U. of San Diego U. Law School/U. of Paris sponsored law program in Paris France - 1996
Graduated Regent U. Law School - 1999
Sometime after graduating from Regent U., Monica became an oppo researcher for the Republican National Committee on the Bush campaign where she probably worked for Tim Griffin, major GOP operative.
After Bush was elected, Monica was appointed to a spot in the DOJ press office. In 2005, she became senior counsel to Gonzales and Justice's liaison to the White House.
At one point, Monica did a six-month stint at the USA's office in the Eastern District of VA, probably in the fall of 2004. The six-month stint is the sum total of Monica's legal experience.
The question is why was Monica, a high-level DOJ offical, prosecuting low-level criminal cases in the fall of 2004 in the middle of a presidential campaign? Was she in line for a USA position?
March 30, 2007 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ms. Goodling must have an objectively reasonable fear that her testimony might implicate her in prior criminal wrongdoing - which seems more likely every day - in order to plead the Fifth.
Congress has to decide whether it wants to call her anyway, and make her plead it - something a trial prosecutor in court could not do. Or, negotiate with mega-firm Akin Gump about what she knows - and will tell - in exchange for a grant of immunity.
Better yet, Congress could "island hop" her, proceed with whatever valuable testimony it can get, and amass enough evidence to insist on the appointment of a special prosecutor. That creates a significant risk that Goodling could get seriously nailed - if, in fact, she committed any crimes. Congress may need to do that anyway, just to get this apparently religious zealous and "loyal Bushie" to talk.
Nice to have the David Stockman indictment in the news. A valuable reminder to Metro DC commuters that they can be liable for criminal wrongdoing even after they leave office, and Karl and Dick's protective umbrellas behind.
March 30, 2007 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Make her sit there and plead it. It is contempt of congress to refuse to show up. Don't let these scum off the hook. After she pleads it in public, send a letter to Gonzo and demand that she is fired.
March 30, 2007 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
More bamboozlement? This ought to be easy to confirm. In my government agency, schedule C employees such as Goodling do not accrue annual and sick leave in the same way that regular federal employees do. Instead they are granted leave as needed/requested. This is important because what new fat cat schedule c employee wants to limit his/her vacations to the two weeks new federal employees accrue per year. I'm seen some schedule c's really make the most of this. Is this true for Goodling? If so, the letter's statement that she is using "accrued leave" is very misleading and masks the nature of her time off. So, can anyone confirm Ms. Goodling's status?
March 30, 2007 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was going to say give her immunity and make her testify, but I like Hmmmmmm's suggestion better.
March 30, 2007 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Conventional wisdom suggests that Goodling *does* have at least one reason to worry about being prosecuted. Although it's not the one her attorney suggested..
Her most obvious problem is that she and Sampson briefed McNulty prior to McNulty's inaccurate congressional testimony. Press reports indicate that McNulty points to the inaccurate briefing from Sampson and Goodling as the reason he made false statements.
In a court of law this would be described as suborning perjury. In the case of congressional testimony, there is a specific bit of legal code prohibiting the conduct.
As for the validity of her fifth amendment claim, it seems to me that there are many valid questions the congress could ask her which do not venture into the McNulty area.
Unless she is criminally culpable in a much wider sense, she would seem to have little justification for pleading the fifth in all areas of questioning.
In a court of law, a judge would verify the legitimacy of her fifth amendment claim. I have no idea how this would be handled in the congress. I wonder if it's uncharted territory?
March 30, 2007 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would be frightening if someone with Goodling's background was being groomed, or even considered for being groomed, for a US Attorney slot.
The problem is not just Goodling's modest academic qualifications and her odd decision to leave A.U. with top twenty percent standing to go to Regent (even for a scholarship). Goodling could have overcome that through outstanding professional experience.
I believe it was David McKay, for example, who went to the University of Toledo - a good school, but not Harvard or Ohio State - who made USA based on two decades of top DOJ performance. Comparing Goodling's legal experience with McKay's is like comparing a camp counselor to an Army Ranger officer.
Ms. Goodling is a Meet and Greet Her. Even considering her for a USA slot would be a cynical burden on career staffers, and an effective way to erode the administration of justice. Or, is that what Mr. Bush hopes to leave behind? One more problem for his successor to fix.
March 30, 2007 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Paul Kiel @ Top: "... Goodling hasn't really left [DoJ] at all. And, despite having pled the Fifth, she apparently plans to return to her job as if nothing ever happened."
You know, I'm pretty sure I saw this as a usage example in the dictionary, for the defintion of 'self-entitled brat'.
March 30, 2007 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Justice Department officials who were selected to be interviewed hit merely the tip of this iceberg. It is extremely important that the House and Senate Judiciary Committee's interview John Nowacki, Principal Deputy Director as well as the Acting Counsel to the Director in the Executive Office of the Justice Department, in order to establish the links between the Justice Department officials, the US Attorney's in the field, and the political operatives who helped remove the targeted US Attorney's. I have gathered and organized every document released so far from the Justice Department relating to John Nowacki as well as background information on his relationship with the Federalist Society. You will be shocked at how many key pieces of information he gives to Paul McNulty, William Moschella, Michael Elston, William Mercer, Monica Goodling, and former employees Michael Battle and Kyle Sampson.
This story on John Nowacki, including updates, can be found at: http://misterapologist.blogspot.com/
March 30, 2007 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Regarding Hmmmmmm's suggestion, it's a nice thought, but I don't think it's legal for congress to make her show up *just* to see her plead the fifth.
During yesterday's hearings, one of the senators stated (I paraphrase) "It's unfortunate that it is no longer legal to have someone show up in a court or congressional hearing if they plan to plead the fifth on all questions."
I've no idea if his statement was accurate, but I suspect he knew what he was talking about. If it's true I don't think we'll see her in a congressional hearing unless she's awarded immunity.
I very much hope Congress look back to the Oliver North debacle before awarding her immunity. Unless Goodling can provide abundant proof of criminal activities other than her own, they should let the (nearly inevitable) special prosecutor deal with her.
March 30, 2007 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can someone expect to be taken seriously as a professional when they try to look like Alice in Wonderland?
Heard this somewhere:
Monica/Alice works for the Justice Dept.
If she can only plead the fifth in order to not incriminate herself -- then that means she believes she may have done something criminal --- sooooooo how in the world could she stay on with Justice as someone who by their own actions is stating they may have committed a crime?
March 30, 2007 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Monica doesn't want to appear before a congressional committee because 'them their people use 50 cent words that I don't understand'. 'I only had book learning in religion and evangelical law in college.'
March 30, 2007 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: Jeffery Taylor being dumb.
He made a mistake...a 100 million $ mistake.
what if...this is yet another instance of faking stupid to hide what really happened?
I am sure that if pressed, Taylor would say one of his clerks did a paperwork boo boo.
Follow the money..exactly who GAINED the money?
Every time Bush Co. has taken heat for doing sometihg dumb, it turns out that somebody made money.
Or saved money.
March 30, 2007 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't underestimate the resources of those who think themselves zealous victims of secular evil who at last have access to the corridors of power, and believe themselves doing god's work. They are smart enough to know this is a rare chance at authority they would not normally be talented enough to wield.
I think Rove, whom I consider an equal opportunity opportunist, uses them startlingly effectively, like Edward I used his Irish troops. They make personal sacrifices that an opportunist such as Rove would never dream of making. They could be hard for a prosecutor to turn.
March 30, 2007 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Give her to the Hells Angels for a few days...
March 30, 2007 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mrs. Panstreppon,
If there is ever a Pulitzer Prize for the Blogosphere, I will try to nominate you.
Jeffrey Taylor seems to have handled the Walter Anderson case with carefully calculated incompetence. I recall reading that British diplomats would sometimes be instructed by their Foreign Office to speak "badly," i.e., incoherently, to confuse their listeners. The same principle seems to be at work here, but in this case Taylor's role is to help the corporatists on trial by fumbling the prosecutions.
I wonder how much money Anderson has contributed--or "bundled"--over the years to various Republican candidates and committees and to associated 527 groups. Even more, I wonder what kind of payoffs he will now make in the future in gratitude for Taylor's "incompetent" handling of the case.
BTW, if you want to farm out any donkey work in drilling through peripheral websites that may be of use to your investigations, feel free to send some my way. I can spare a few hours most days to help out.
The Blogosphere will now have a week before the Senate reconvenes and two weeks before the House reconvenes to help yank some more threads which may be of some help to the investigations on the Hill.
It appears that TPM has become the web's focal point for this whole seething ball of Rovian worms.
March 30, 2007 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
mbbsdphil:
What you state makes dynamic sense.
These nunlike creatures, sans family but puffed up with sanctity, yes, could be hard to crack.
On the other hand, monica comes from a broken home. And may be trying to look perfect to conceal a deep well of insecurity.
March 30, 2007 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Goodling strikes me as someone who is dumb but who is smart enough to they're dumb. She would get killed if she testifies and she knows it.
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March 30, 2007 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, I just read the Washington Post article from today. I want this cold hearted bitch to go down!
March 30, 2007 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
From that Washington Post article:
Greg Wilhelm, a Regent law school classmate, said Goodling also "developed a very positive reputation for people coming from Christian schools into Washington looking for employment in government, always ready to offer encouragement and be a sounding board."
It's the takeover of these podpeople freaks.
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March 30, 2007 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just read the WashPost profile of Goodling. She's a nightmare. Protect us all from these young brownshirts. Reading about her clean Christian training, I could hear the strains of "Tomorrow Belongs To Me" playing in the background.
March 30, 2007 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
some legal points on goodling:
1. if she's been subpoenaed she has to appear.
2. the 5th amendment protection applies to self-incriminating testimony only.
3. goodling is not a private citizen being questioned by the police -- she has no right to silence. goodling is a federal government official subject to Congressional oversight.
4. if she knowingly gave mcnulty false information prepping him for congressional testimony, she has a 5th amendment claim in that area.
5. if congress provides her with immunity, she must testify or face contempt. contempt of congress is a jailable offense (ask the Hollywood Eleven).
Remember oliver north was given immunity by congress. he testified. his immunized testimony could not be used against him. because the prosecutors did so, he received an appellate reversal of his convictions. goodling's attorney will probably follow a similar strategy: get his client immunity and have her testify. btw, i see no mention of goodling being admitted to the bar of any state. if she was a member of any bar association, she would be subject to an ethics complaint with the applicable bar association.
March 30, 2007 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
monica passed VA bar in '99 - according to Richmond newspaper
the ethics complaint angle is duly noted
March 30, 2007 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Following up on hoya lawya's comment -
(I'm not a lawyer, so take this for whatever it's worth)
It seems like it would really be worth the effort to subpoena this woman and go through whatever efforts required to obtain her testimony, whether or not you could get her to say anything damning about anyone in the end. Worthwhile, because letting somebody off the hook with such a bullshit evasion would seem to undermine future prospects of securing needed testimony, and thereby weakening the power to effect oversight in general. In other words, you have to punish people who try to feed you shit if you don't want to keep having to push the plate away in the future.
March 30, 2007 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
No one should be surprised if Republicans throw their own under the bus bus to protect themselves and their power. One only has to look at the rise of Nazism to see how much they actually valued “loyalty”. The “Night of the Long Knives” is nothing more than a template for the new Republican authoritarians. Would they actually commit murder to further their cause? You tell me.
John Kokal, govt expert on Iraq who was trying to tell Congress the truth right before the war. Google.
“A government operating in the shadow of secrecy stands in complete opposition to the society envisioned by the framers of our Constitution.” - Judge Damon Keith (6th Circuit Court of Appeals)
(codeword = mark)
March 30, 2007 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Emptywheel has a great post on Monica not being able to afford the very expensive lawyers she has and it seems likely that rove is paying and the attorneys are to protect bushco first not monica. Paying for her legal help constitutes a bribe and monica could not afford even a weeks worth of this lawfirms time.
March 30, 2007 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Monica's leaving American U Washington School of Law after 1 year doesn't pass the smell test. I wonder what really happened. Maybe someone could FOIA her application and character fitness exam from the VA bar. Applications for licensure are usually public records. Is Regent U accredited? What are their admissions standards? Questions, I have questions...
March 31, 2007 12:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
If I had any recollection of that I would plead the fifth.
March 31, 2007 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
cerebrocrat, I wouldn't be so quick to see the congress take "whatever efforts" necessary to insure Goodling's testimony. If she were offered immunity, she could cop to everything and take the heat of all the other players.
Oliver North was granted immunity and still lied to congress. Although later convicted, his convictions were overturned because of the limited immunity granted to him by congress.
Before immunity is even considered, lawyers from the judiciary committees should have a talk with her lawyers to get a preview of what she has on offer. If she cannot offer unique, substantial, provable evidence as to the criminal conduct of others, the congress should allow the (nearly inevitable) special prosecutor to investigate her conduct.
It's true she was the DOJ liaison to the White House and may have some damning information about White House conduct. But unless she has documents or other people willing to back her up, it's just her word against the White House. Recall that it took 8 witnesses and their notes to convict Scooter Libby. An uncorroborated "she said, he said" is not likely to bring down anyone in the White House.
Now if she could provide a detailed map to a criminal conspiracy within the DOJ and White House, then her cooperation could be worth its weight in gold. But does anyone really think she was that tied into the process? I'm beginning to think the potentially illegal decision making process may never have gone further than the offices of Karl Rove's and his minions.
Turn one of Rove's minions and you'll have the keys to the kingdom.
March 31, 2007 3:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I never fully understood the meaning of the phrase "concern troll" until this week but now I understand how insightful and powerful a term it is.
Its meaning has a very direct bearing on this discussion, ie. what do we do with folks like Ms. Goodling?
In a normal universe, Mr. Goodling would be turning states' evidence to save her own posterior, but in the Bush Universe, she is refusing to cooperate in any way, via a very faulty 5th amendment argument, precisely for the purpose of giving the bird to the entire Rule of Law.
I use the word "concern troll" here for those, like the boat-payment making executive TimeMag minions, who counsel just following the path of whatever least resistance seems apparent with the least amount of eye movement so that another cocktail can be ordered.
This whole thing stinks to high heaven, which means nobody should get a single breath of relaxation.
March 31, 2007 4:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a good "christian" girl. Too bad there's not a made up commandment saying "thou shall not lie through your teeth." Of course the entire neocon cabal would be damned if that one was in effect. Not such a bad idea now that I think of it.
March 31, 2007 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mademoiselle Goodling seems to know as little about the Constitution and its amendments as she does about how to deal with people.
She must have been charged with a crime, or be under strong suspicion of having committed one, in order to plead the fifth. The protection against self incrimination places the onus of proof on the prosecution, which is understandable.
But her claiming a hostile environment does not give her the right to plead the fifth.
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Adding: I'm on a mission to eradicate cajones from references.
The poster above means COJONES - balls. Cajones are something you put your underwear and sock inside and slide into your commode. Spanish speakers kind of laugh when they read comments by those who don't know the language who thing they are talking about balls and are instead talking about furniture.
March 31, 2007 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
If ordinary citizens were to try to pull the stuff this administration does to avoid telling the truth or being held to any degree of accountability we'd thrown in jail before you could say "I respectfully refuse ..."
Apparently the bush administration has become a refuge to duplicate, hypocritical, incompetent, criminal, ideological, morons. No others need apply.
March 31, 2007 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't you get the idea she keeps an immaculate file system? What kind of information aggregation does she keep? The WH and AG position is that they did nothing wrong, so they have not fired her. What I don't understand -- it is so publicized about the USAs serving at will of President, but why then was there no presidential briefing following the hour-long meeting? Where exactly did the will of the president enter into the equation? Possibly Monica was providing the WH with written memos in the planning stage.
March 31, 2007 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ben Dover: "Too bad there's not a made up commandment saying 'thou shall not lie through your teeth.'"
Well, one of the Ten Commandments *is* "Thou shalt not lie."
There doesn't seem to be any 'barred teeth' exemption. So I suspect your Commandment Addendum suggestion is probably unnecessary.
March 31, 2007 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if the Spirit of Truth Ms. Goodling has allegedly been born-again to know so personally will eventually help her find her voice.
Whatever convoluted intellectualizing her human brain conjurs up to justify her avoidance of speaking the truth, every day she refuses to speak that truth she digs herself deeper into an internal conflict that does not bode well for her spiritual growth.
March 31, 2007 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
How the hell is she able to pay for these lawyers? Whats more, wasn't it brought up that when police officers take the fifth they are usually removed from the force. And the Justice Department urges corporations to fire employees who take the fifth. Yet the taxpayers are still footing the bill for this woman to remain on the payroll after she's said she's gonna take the fifth. Regardless, how long can she afford her lawyer on a gov't salary.
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March 31, 2007 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't care about her spiritual growth. I just want to see her scrawny butt packing a UHaul and leaving DC.
March 31, 2007 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
She'll have no trouble raising a "defense fund" from wealthy right wingers. Now that the GOP is the minority, they can claim victimhood from those mean, mean Democrats on their partisan fishing expeditions of God-fearing graduates of Pat Robertson's university.
March 31, 2007 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Regent Law Students Attend Ice Cream Social with General Ashcroft
January 23 , 2007
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Since joining Regent University in 2005 as a distinguished professor of law and government, General Ashcroft has hosted an ice cream social at his beach home on 4 separate occasions. Each semester, students hasten to sign up for the event as participation is limited to a first come, first serve basis.
Read more!
http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/news/home.cfm#IceCream
March 31, 2007 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Instead of showing a pic of Ms. Goodling (what a name!), why not post a photo of Susan MacDougal in leg-irons? It would make a good point.
March 31, 2007 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, per this story on Raw Story:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Former_Director_of_Office_of_US_0331.html
It appears Ms. Goodling will be keeping her trap shut if called for the interviews the Justice Department has authorized for eight employees.
My only question, if these are "interviews", then did whomever report the word "testify" err or did her attorney make a mistake using the word?
And to everyone who has commented before, how riduculous that a Justice Department liason/official gets to assert her Fifth Amendment right AND keep her job.
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SteinL -- whoopsie on using "ca-" vs. "co-". I apologize.
March 31, 2007 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
More Muck to rake.
Karl Rove spotted and photo taken with Coptix brochure.
Unless the photo is photoshopped.
http://www.correntewire.com/rove_spotted_in_chattanooga_with_brochure_for_gwb43_com_nameserver_host_can_we_subpoena_the_records_now
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March 31, 2007 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Zach Edwards, thank for the great job you are doing.
The emails are amazing. Keep it up...
March 31, 2007 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
After doing a bit of research, it seems that it may be legal for Goodling to have a legal defense fund.
The office of government ethics has offered contradictory opinions on the legality of legal defense funds for government employees. In one case they gave an opinion that legal fund donations were Not legal.
http://www.usoge.gov/pages/advisory_opinions/advop_files/1985/85x19.html
In another, more recent case they gave an opinion that legal fund donations Were legal.
http://www.usoge.gov/pages/advisory_opinions/advop_files/1993/93x21.html
In both cases, it was stipulated that all donations would be blind, that the fund would not be managed by the defendant, and that no donors could be government employees or have business relationships with the defendant's department.
Congress should have her appear if only to clear up this issue. She can't plead the 5th regarding the funding of her legal defense.
March 31, 2007 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have friends in the Department of Fish and Wildlife, the federal agency. They've been horrified over the past six years by the actions of the political appointees of their agency.
Here's why:
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/programs/esa/pdfs/DOI-IG-Report_JM.pdf
This is a pdf of the report from the Office of the Inspector General. It shows that yes, indeed, Julie McDonald has been fiddling while our biological resources burned into extinction.
I apologize for the off-topic post, but I'm not sure where else to post this.
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March 31, 2007 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see why the IRS doesn't take the attorney fee payment issue head on. I mean really folks, if I had a "renovate my house fund", or a "fix my yacht" fund, would the IRS not call it income?
What's the difference when it's legal fees?
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March 31, 2007 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
A 'Legal Times' article on her via truthout.org:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/033107E.shtml
Article opens up with this question:
Who is Monica Goodling, and why is she so afraid?
March 31, 2007 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
That article reads like a propaganda piece "OH, LOOK-SHE WAS THE BRAIN THAT RAN EVERYTHING".
I don't know why Truthout put it up without a disclaimer.
Who are the people that wrote that article and what else do they know? They seem to know a heck of a lot about the inner workings of the department. Who'd they get all that from?
March 31, 2007 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the Legal Times article:
"Goodling often traveled with Ashcroft on tours promoting neighborhood safety and the Patriot Act. Former colleagues say Ashcroft also had a particular taste for Goodling's brownies."
Okaaay....
March 31, 2007 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Truthout expose suggests she had FAR more power in the DOJ than almost anyone had speculated.
Maybe her pleading the 5th wasn't a play for immunity? And maybe the Congress should consider immunizing her...
Subpoenaed witnesses cannot refuse a grant of immunity. Once immunity has been granted, witnesses can either testify or go to jail.
March 31, 2007 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Monica Goodling sounds like a real-life version of the Reese Witherspoon character in "Election". She's ambitious, she's ruthless, and she's in a hurry.
The frightening thing about this zealot is she has probably never had a moment of self-doubt in her life. I guess everything is easier when obedience to authority is the primary goal.
March 31, 2007 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahh.. The original article is here at the Legal Times.
http://www.law.com/jsp/dc/PubArticleDC.jsp?id=1174912588726&hub=TopStories
They also have a new (low quality) photo of Goodling.
http://www.law.com/images/128_pics/goodling_monica.jpg
Does anyone else think it strange that only 2, poor quality photos of her have appeared so far. Why aren't press photogs camped outside her condo?
March 31, 2007 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow a lot to watch! Monica has sure become a hot item now. Justice was nothing to her newfound ubiquity in the press!
Many thanks to all posters of new info and links.
March 31, 2007 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The solution is simple. Rendition Goodling an beat the truth out of her. Oh, sorry she is a republican-American-subversive and Democrats don't do renditions.
March 31, 2007 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reading the comments above and the article from Legal Times (also available at truthout - per links above) - I feel deeply sad for this young woman.
Yes, for sure, she's deep in the muck. And responsible for her part of this fiasco.
At the same time she's someone who has sacrificed her whole existence to make things smooth for her handlers - to do what they wanted and what seemed, therefore, the "right thing" as far as she could see it - even to being the "hit person" at times.
But, from the record as we see it, with the exception of her parents' divorce (and whatever lies therein) - she has led a charmed life, done what was needed to succeed. (possibly due to what came before)
And now, perhaps for the first time in her adult life - she is faced with failure, possibly jail time. And we do not know how fragile her inner core may be. This could be SOME fall from grace here. A collapse of her world possibly.
Many may castigate me here to saying this - but honestly I feel compassion - and I fear for her mental health.
In my work I have often found myself feeling both ways, like here, both tough in the sense of knowing a person is responsible and also feeling for the inner collapse of what they have built upon - thinking it was rock when instead it was sand.
I hope she can eventually find a true personal and spiritual growth for herself - instead of the workaholic path which is leading to a very, very bad end.
March 31, 2007 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The firings were by black listing based on undue influence from political cons. Notice, no detailed memo to support the factual and related basis for the firings. Surely, Ken Lay would luved to have had fired about 10 DOJ attorneys.
And what is amazing, is the disclosures that at the top of the DOJ in D. C.( hovering around AG GONZO) were such light weights who had no substantial court room litigation experience.
Cheney and Bush have all these neocon wackos implanted in the top tiers of the government to make the federal government so it won't function.
It seems to be some hate towards a proper functioning Government that Bush has:
Why; so his pals can spin off large wads of $$$$$$, from federal gravey contract booty, and never be held accountable.
Having an unaccountable non-functioning Government is part of the Bush game plan.
Who pays for all of that: you and your kids....
So, wise up, demand something be done before Bush totally wrecks the entire Nation.
March 31, 2007 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Does anyone else think it strange that only 2, poor quality photos of her have appeared so far. "
I was about to ask the same thing. Maybe she doesn't like to be photographed, many criminals don't. Another possibility is that there is something wrong with her face. It's hard to tell from the photographs, but there may be some asymmetry in her eyes.
March 31, 2007 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
did they find out if she completed her semester at American, or did she withdraw? I don't think it is necessarily a big deal - several of my law school class mates already dropped out because they realized it wasn't what they wanted to do and couldn't be serious about the law. I just wonder if maybe she got pregnant and had to have an abortion?
But she transferred the same year the pat robertson university was accredited, so she must have been part of the first accredited graduating class. and i can see that maybe her strong beliefs made that opportunity too good to pass up. i don't think it is a negative, one way or the other.
but as a current law student, i find it interesting.
March 31, 2007 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the bottom line. That this potential witness pleads fifth ammendment privileges speaks volumes. We need to inform Waxman and local reps that we are serious. And just as important, we must inform MSM that this IS serious. The Tory conspiracies are over.
March 31, 2007 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say put the whole lot of them under hypnosies and see what we can coax out of them. lol
March 31, 2007 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread. Thanks.
April 1, 2007 12:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do not underestimate the fact that Goodling was a protege of Barbara Comstock, who headed up the RNC's opposition research shop at election 2000, and that she followed Comstock to DoJ where she and Tim Griffin both trained under Comstock. Comstock, of course, is an evil harpy who has been working behind most of our troubles from the hunting of the Clintons to recount 2000 to the "feminization" of Gore and Kerry to Tom Delay's PR blitz to Scooter's slush fund. I'm beginning to think it is Comstock who is running this U.S. Attorney politicization, from outside the WH. She's connected to all the big players and the big scandals.
April 1, 2007 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
SteinL,
commode as in a piece of bedroom furniture, or as in a toilet? ha ha.
April 1, 2007 5:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Congress has two types of immunity it can offer to force someone using the 5th, to truthfully testify before a committee. Limited Use, and Transactional immunity. These date from the early years of the Nixon Administration, and very ironically, it was John Mitchell's assistant, John Dean, who had the job of moving them through Congress. John Dean would, a few years later, make very good use of the immunity laws. The reason Mitchell and Nixon were so interested in creating these means for forcing testimony was because in the late 1950's the Supreme Court in a string of decisions rather sharply limited how Congress could use witnesses in investigations and oversight -- limits that eventually made the kind of committee like HUAC, where Nixon first made his reputation a thing of the past. It was an unintended consequence that one of the functional authors of the immunity legislation, John Dean, would know how it worked, and use it to out the Watergate Conspiracy. Anyhow...
The key to avoiding what happened in the Ollie North situation is to interview and then take sworn testimony all around Monica's job and doings, and then set it up that she interviews, and then negotiates for limited immunity around certain subjects -- and then testifies fully, or face contempt of congress action. North, if you remember refused a pre-testimonial interview, and went first, allowing him to take a full immunity bath. He played it all or nothing and eventually won. Hopefully the committees understand that ploy and don't fall for it again.
Note that if Gonzales leaves DOJ, Monica goes too. Any new AG will want to bring in a new team at the top. In fact, I hope Pat Leahy digs around in the files and finds the written agreement they forced on the AG who followed Elliot Richardson at confirmation hearings, that required appointment of a special prosecutor who could only be fired for extreme cause -- resulting in Jaworski. A Special Prosecutor would take Goodling to a Grand Jury and ask all the questions, And if she broke laws, that is where she belongs.
I have a feeling there may be many many career employees of DOJ who one way or another have gotten word to Leahy or Conyers about where the bodies are buried -- and sooner rather than later Goodling will want to testify for her own good.
April 1, 2007 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Goodling (I know you're reading this):
You are a poorly-educated, dishonest, hypocritical young moron whose life is now over. After you are finished being investigated, excoriated and possibly prosecuted, you will disappear into the annals of history, always to be known as nothing more than a minor incompetent liar.
All the best,
America
April 1, 2007 8:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Meet[Justice Department official]John Nowacki: Acting Counsel to the Director/ Political Operative
So far the Justice Department and Congress have named only a handful of Senior Justice Department officials who are going to be interviewed before their respective committees and Subcommittees. Those names are as follows: Paul McNulty, William Moschella, Michael Elston, William Mercer, David Margolis, and Monica Goodling (who is pleading the 5th). Former employees Michael Battle and Kyle Sampson will also be interviewed. While this is a good start in the investigation one of the key doors for information has been excluded so far: His name is John Nowacki and he is the Principal Deputy Director as well as the Acting Counsel to the Director.
misterapologist has identified another wacko political operative in the DoJ -- one with critical function in the U.S. Attorney management. This operative formerly worked with the Free Congress Foundation -- right wing religious NUTS. In 2003 he went from Free Congress to the DoJ, where he works as senior counsel in the Justice Department's public affairs office.
April 1, 2007 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
crap...
John Nowacki: Acting Counsel to the Director/ Political Operative
http://misterapologist.blogspot.com/index.html
April 1, 2007 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's a coward. Pretty simple. She is guilty of trying to put the Republican Party and the President above the law and now she is hiding behind her rights. If I were the committee I would call her and ask her questions with regard to the law...she has to answer if the questions do not tend to incriminate her.
For instance, a question about Guantanemo detainies might be interesting..."Do you support the application by detainees of their right not to incriminate themselves?" Sad. Really, really pathetic actually.
April 1, 2007 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has anybody accredited Pat Robertson's little Law School? And did this nasty little cow have to take a bar exam anywhere?
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