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Sampson Suggested Removing Fitzgerald
Here's Kyle Sampson's testimony about suggesting to White House counsel Harriet Miers and deputy White House counsel Bill Kelley that they remove U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald.
Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) asks if Fitzgerald was ever considered for removal?
Sampson says:
"On one occasion in 2006, in discussing the removal of U.S. attorneys... that I was speaking with Harriet Miers and Bill Kelley and I raised Pat Fitzgerald, and immediately after I did it, I regretted it. I thought, I knew it was the wrong thing to do, I knew it was inappropriate. And I remember at the time that Harriet Miers and Bill Kelley just looked at me.... I said, "Patrick Fitzgerald could be added to this list."... They just looked at me."
Durbin asks why he suggested that. And Sampson says he doesn't know why, that maybe it was just to "get a reaction out of them."





Comments (71)
what? is he suddenly 4 years old? he wanted to "get a reaction"?
March 29, 2007 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
kind of like the lawyers in the coke xero adds who can't believe they are hearing something so stupid?
March 29, 2007 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good way to show you're a consummate professional. Suggest something to get a rise out of someone.
March 29, 2007 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Further confirmation that we are ruled by children.
Bad children.
March 29, 2007 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
now kyle, we can't fire the one that has a public corruption case where everyone knows about! listen little buddy, only the ones that we can hide. love karl
March 29, 2007 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why isn't the obvious follow-up asked? If firing Fitz was such a no-no, why wasn't Lam a similar no-no for the same exact reason?
March 29, 2007 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is sampson under oath?
March 29, 2007 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
the only thing I can imagine this idiot must believe is that he has a pardon waiting for him. he has copped to numerous crimes now as though they are nothing.
March 29, 2007 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
do u think fitz didn't go after others in the w.h. cause he was told not to?
March 29, 2007 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
amazing how he remembers...and then he can't remember..then he remembers that he can't remember...what a tool.
March 29, 2007 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why Pat Fitzgerald? Hmmm. I think i see a pattern here. It's slowly coming into focus. Not quite sure what this puzzle is supposed to look like yet, but it's something...
March 29, 2007 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think all these neocons have come to the conclusion that they will say anything, damn the truth, to save a shred of credibility for this administration.
This worm is no different.
Wanted: a REALLY big gallows. Please deliver to Capitol Building steps. In need of object lesson.
March 29, 2007 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to see a follow up on what he meant by "get a reaction." I would understand him to mean that he was testing the waters to see just how far he could go axing people for purely partisan reasons. Fitz was apparently one step beyond what even Miers would consider appropriate. These people have been drunk on their own power for far too long.
March 29, 2007 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
My guess is that he has been promised a great corporate gig if he takes a hit. For a second rate lawyer this is the equivalent of 100 virgins (or whatever the number) that await suicide bombers in heaven.
March 29, 2007 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was inappropriate, but he still said it. And he said it because...?
And he doesn't remember why? Not at all the GOP lizard brain at work.
March 29, 2007 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given all the questions asked of Sampson, the one I haven't yet heard is this. If the assumption is that the AG's were fired for political reason, then what has happened to those corruption cases that the fired eight were working on? Put on the back burnner, or placed into the trash bin of history?
March 29, 2007 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kyle's the next Scooter Libby
March 29, 2007 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
This guy has a perfectly good memory. Of course he remembers whether or not he spoke, talked, emailed, conversed, or exchanged words with Rove.
March 29, 2007 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. Note that Sampson doesn't say, though he makes it seem, that this was the one and only occasion on which the possibility of getting rid of Fitzgerald was raised.
2. His equivocating on his recollection with regard to Rove under questioning by Schumer means he should be asked in follow up to detail any and all conversations he recalls about the issue of Fitzgerald at any time and with anyone, including but not limited to Rove and Gonzales.
March 29, 2007 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I listed to the exchange about Fitzi between Boy Kyle and Dick Durbin, and honest to god, it made NO sense. Boy Kyle just kept repeating that he didn't want to pass any kind of judgment on Fitzi. Kyle thinks he's clever enough to stay out of jail without copping a plea. He is wrong. He'll either testify to everything, or he is going down.
March 29, 2007 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
George: I did sumthin a little crazy, today, Jerry ---I suggested to Mr. Steinbrenner that we fire Patrick Fitzgerald
Jerry: You did what ?!!!
enter Kramer
Jerry: Get this Kramer, Georgie boy here told Steinbrenner they should fire Patrick Fitzgerald
Kramer flinches, gags, bugs out his eyes
Kramer gasps: Whyinthehelldidyousuggestathinglikethat???
George, slumping: I don't know, I guess I just wanted to get a reaction out of them.
Jerry: You've really lost your mind your time
March 29, 2007 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't Chicago have an immigration issue? I'm willing to bet that Fitzgerald somehow got pressured by DOJ to not give Rove an Indictment. But I'm not sure if it's proper to ask Fitz that question. He's probably wouldn't answer to an ongoing investigation. One thing for sure, is that Sampson is an eager little republican beaver.
March 29, 2007 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it me or does the way that Scooter Sampson answers questions sound/seem a lot like the way that Kyle Libby answered questions before the G.J.?
March 29, 2007 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to know what date in 2006 this was suggested, given that Fitz's office was bringing down both Republicans and Democrats. Or was Sampson suggesting it because Fitz wasn't bringing enough immigration cases? Or because he didn't seek the death penalty for perjurers?
March 29, 2007 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get a rope.
March 29, 2007 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Emptywheel the attorney brings up a good point over at FDL:
When Evil Radar was asked if the White House signed off on the purges before the meeting on the 27th, he and the Republican Senators REALLY dodged aroudn the fact that the WH approved the list AFTERWARDS. You know, once Bush came back into the country.
All the hoo-ha about how "it was Miers' shop" is revealed to be nonsense, if they admit that Bush was the guy who made the ultimate decision to go ahead with it.
And then suddenly they can forget about protecting Rove, because Rove's downfall will be the least of their worries.
March 29, 2007 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it comes down to Rove or Bush, guess who goes?
March 29, 2007 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
You little aggregator you.
March 29, 2007 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
To get a reaction?? Boy these guys are real cards.
Nixon: Well, we COULD fire Archie Cox
Fred Fielding: Wha???
Nixon: Hah! Had you going there didn't I . . . But, no seriously, let's can the motherfucker.
March 29, 2007 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If it comes down to Rove or Bush, guess who goes?"
Iran?
March 29, 2007 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
He asked to get a reaction? Good for him -- keeps his bosses on their toes.
But holy crap neither of them was willing to be the first to say no?
March 29, 2007 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
"We could fire Patrick Fitzgerald..."
And the ghost of Richard Nixon echoes, "but that would be wrong."
March 29, 2007 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this guy's proud of it. He must have a portrait of Richard Nixon hanging over his mantle. I wonder if he wanted to pull the plug on a Saturday night.
This is the guy who wanted to become a US Attorney himself, sans any prosecutorial experience. He wanted to go Democrat hunting.
He thinks like a Nazi. Keep him away from matches.
I know the Republican party is chock full of this type, but, it's still jaw dropping when you hear it straight out.
March 29, 2007 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is pretty obvious why he testified this way -- if he denied it, he someone else could testify that he suggested Fitzgerald, and he'd be in trouble for perjury. But the reason he suggested it was to obstruct justice, and I bet the only reason they didn't pursue it was that it was *too* outrageous to get away with.
March 29, 2007 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorence on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon . . . you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices, and I tell you, people do that all the time."
March 29, 2007 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Posted by: kis
Date: March 29, 2007 03:38 PM
You are right on the money with this questions. It MUST be posed to Sampson.
I understand the Senators are under pressure, however, the all have a healthy staff of you g bright attorney on the spot. One of these up and comers surely can send an electronic and/or deliver a paper note reminding a Senator to ask that question.
Has Sampson and/or will he take the 5th Amendment on any question?
March 29, 2007 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
*Obvious follow ups*
Q: You said: "I knew it was inappropriate", why was it inappropriate?
A: yadda yadda yadda
Q: Why did you not apply that same standard to Carol Lam?
March 29, 2007 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
"He thinks like a Nazi. Keep him away from matches."
He thinks like the neofascist neocons in this administration--one-party rules and makes the rules, no accountability, (legally?) silence your enemies and (legally?) assist your friends, carefully and disengenuously control your media presence. We have become a South American dictatorship.
March 29, 2007 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
so it just wasn't the right time to can him .... jesus ...
March 29, 2007 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
i think sampson's suggestion to fire fitzgerald is a very important part of his testimony. in 2006, fitzgerald was in the middle of the libby case. any educated person, much less any lawyer, much less the chief aide to the attorney general of the united states, who would even raise that possibility is an idiot. and anyone who can't remember why he raised it is a liar. to me, this colors everything sampson said today. you can't believe anything he says.
March 29, 2007 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Kyle:
Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them. Come back to work--and life.
Love,
Karl
March 29, 2007 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was a strange line from Schumer, right? Attorneys asked their political affiliations? Hmmm.
March 29, 2007 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
may I suggest disbarment so this guy can never profit off his idiocy?
March 29, 2007 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Senator Specter, we know you dropped the ball on the Patriots Act, and now you claimto be a "victim?" why don't you ask Senator Hatch how the USA from his state got that slipped in, not Sampson?
March 29, 2007 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember some stuff when the Libby case really was heating up (pre-indictment) where there were some whiffs that they were going to try to replace Fitzgerald. I might have read it on TPM...not sure where.
March 29, 2007 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is just the beginning. As time passes there will be innmuerable opportunities to reveal to the voters just how willfully this administration and the republican congress have abused the power of public office.
The thing that really catches my attention is the idea that people like Sampson and other notables in this administration act as though they have a sense of entitlement. This seems to obscure their judgement and blinds them to the seriousness of their ethical lapses. While I want to think these guys are really evil persons I keep coming back to how clueless they are. This entire administration is peopled with conservative elitists that operate in a reality quite apart from 99% of the citizens of this country.
March 29, 2007 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is room at Guantanamo Bay for Sampson, Gonzales, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc. They are enemy combatants and deserve to be tried and convicted for their crimes. As a lawyer, I can tell you that one punishment for treason is death.
March 29, 2007 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
So they were just "coming up with names?" What about criteria? or was it just whatever name was on the tip of the tongue?
March 29, 2007 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kyle: Let's put Deb Yang on the list. She's going after Jerry Lewis. He's not only chair of Appropriations, but he's raising a ton of money for us.
Harriet: Not necessary. I talked to Ted about her.
Kyle: Ted?
Harriet: Olson, you little dweeb! The guy who argued before SCOTUS and got us elected.
Kyle: I don't understand.
Harriet: He's at Gibson Dunn. They're going to hire her. I understand she's demanding a bundle, though.
Bill: Doesn't Gibson represent Lewis?
Harriet: She'll use the "single mother" excuse.
Bill: I wish I was a single mother.
Kyle: OK, then. How bout if we can Fitzgerald?
March 29, 2007 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
With respect to making this administration into an object lesson for future traitors, as a strong advocate of due process, I have to oppose lynching.
As I recall from reading Mark Twain, however, tar and feathers was the 19th century American public's traditional response to fraud. Since this administration is dead set on taking the country back to the Gilded Age, it seems appropriate to revive this customary expression of public outrage.
Since I will not forgo their subsequent imprisonment and trial (by jury), I have strong reservations about adding, "run out of town on a rail," to their tarring and feathering. It seems to me that we lose too much by going for the strict constructivist's approach.
March 29, 2007 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that Patrick Fitzgerald was very aware that if he went too far in the Valerie Wilson investigation that he would be out for political reasons. That explains why he had Rove testify one more time to correct his earlier testimony. Had he not done that and instead indicted Rove he knew he would be gone. That act of cowardice saved Fitzeralds career.
March 29, 2007 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's fascinating about this is learning how immature mediocrities like Sampson are given a role in managing and firing professionals at the peak of their careers, like the U.S. Attorneys. The fact that this low-life Sampson, who seems to have never practiced a day of "real" law, is talking about "woodshedding" a prominent U.S. Attorney is unfathomable.
March 29, 2007 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is up with GOoPers hiring little boys for really important positions? I mean: Asst. Attorney General? And the guy is 35???
Reminds me of the child prodigies the CPA hired in Iraq to, you know, overhaul the entire economy of Iraq, things like that. Fuck the pros - what do they know, anyway?
So much for "the best and brightest" . . .
March 29, 2007 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
@DallasNE
I think you should be careful about making the kind of assumptions you're making about Fitzgerald, and even more cautious about impugning the man's integrity without some pretty strong evidence to back your claim.
I don't know one way or the other. But there are probably ample reasons why the Plame investigation stopped with Libby that have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the availability and strength of convincing evidence.
If you know something otherwise for certain, spell it out. I deplore character assassination by innuendo.
March 29, 2007 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
D. Kyle Sampson went is from Utah. He is self-described a "devout" Mormon. He is connected thru his parents to money & not a little influence. At least for his 3 years in Law school he had Cheney's daughter as a classmate [Pause for reflection.] He entered & exited private practice in a few months to jumped on the Bush 2001 bandwagon. He parlayed his connection with Ms. Cheney into an audition for the Bush transition team. He made the team spouting some sincere sounding angle on Bush as God's Messenger for politics & govt. He spent every waking second of every daylight hour on the Bush transition team offering to be of help & delivering on jobs others ducked & otherwise shaking his Bush booty in front of Karl's Shop. He was given a desk as an understudy to the CoS at Ashcroft's Department of Faith & Justice. Which is where he was ensconced when came his Big Break - really two Big Breaks in a row. Break #1 was that Ashcroft - the man so beloved of his saviour he lost a Missouri Senate race to a dead guy - beat an early retreat from the corner office. Break # 2 was that by 2002 the Decider apparently figured he no longer needed to brand his Justice herd with a hard right cross from God's Attorney. Instead Bush entrusted the Lord's agenda in facilitating well-intentioned wiretaps & the Testament to Torture & keeping non-believers from screwing up Karl's Kalculator at electon time with a lawyer to someone just as reliable - his own self. So Algae the Duck waddled out of the White House & straight into his Peter Principle job - but with D. Kyle at the Welcome Wagon.
As Schumer observed D. Kyle's a smart ass ... er a bright boy & he perked up to his good fortune as he ran Algae out the door in his spunkies every day. Big Break #2 we all know about - if Rove is Bush's Brain then Algae is the President's Poodle. Algae must be the only attorney in the country - maybe the only human being - who when the Shrub drags out his "Rube with 'Tude" act it just cracks him up. I'm drawn to conclude that if Algae didn't go all weak in the knees & giggle until stuff comes out of his nose Every Single Time his Patron wants to put a hurt on some guy or let one fry he would be long gone back to the Lone Star state doing triple Dos Equis lunches with under-prime mortgage lenders.
From all this I conclude [1]It would not be prudent to underestimate D. Kyle. He's clearly as capable as a chameleon at changing colors to suit the backdrop of his sponsors & bosses. So far he's played sycophant to the Decider - Black Baggie Boy to Big Time - MiniMe to Madam DeTurdblossom - & such a Dweeb he even makes Algae look good.
Of course now that he & his boss are engaged in a serious game of cutthroat - Algae is back to looking as dumb as he is for expecting D. Kyle to volunteer to morph into Algae's personal organic-based Kevlar. Today's performance as the product of splicing genes from Cheney & Rove suggests that D. Kyle abandoned his color as pond scum to Algae a week ago at least & saw today's hearing less of a threat [less than Ms. Goodling for sure] than an opportunity - an audition for the Show. I expect D. Kyle will be spotted next nesting over at the RNC or AEI or the Hudson Institute.
Bottom line - What to we mortals may look like a wet dweeb lying his creepy ass off may well look to those more Vulcanic like a virtuoso performance - on a tightrope over a tiger pit without a net. Memorize this guy's name & face & DNA. Big Time himself got his taste for Democratic meat at the feet of Rummy on the edges of the Nixon Empire. Rove found his groove working for Nixon's chief trickster Donald Segretti. Bush was born to it - a spoiled rotten bully born to a president & now every day letting us know which of the other 42 he could lay a can of whoopass on if he only was still around. And now we have this latest Gen X version - a little monster carrying the genes of all of those before him. I tell you - if this Congress doesn't drop him down the nearest well then blow up the well & fill in the hole in the ground & set fire to the hole then God help us all. In twenty years tops I expect we will all see him mouthing "Go fuck yourself!" to some honorable liberal Democratic senator.
March 29, 2007 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kyle Sampson reminds me of the character Ed Norton played when he deceived his attorney Richard Gere.
Gere bought into Norton's simplistic dullard psycho role hook line and sinker. All the time Norton was being a shrewd conniving calculating asp.
Sampson is not what he appears to be AT ALL!!!
March 29, 2007 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I recall, one of the chants in praise of the incoming Bush administration was that they were bring (cough) adults back to the government. At the moment, it looks like what they brought in was a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears also rans and trusted in their devotion to the cause to get the dirty work done. None of the folks I've seen on the stand so far seem to have the wits to stand up to a professional cross-examination or the know-how to keep their dirty tricks in smoke filled rooms from which no record could emerge. From Scooter Libby, with his poorly concealed attempt at suborning Judith Miller to perjury, onwards, it really looks like amateur hour here.
What it reminds me of is CREEP, whose G. Gordon Liddy had the 'will' to hold his hand over a candle but couldn't hire professionals who'd have had the good sense to take the tape off of the door at the Watergate Hotel.
I don't pity the chumps: the carelessness that came from their inflated sense of their own power will provide the evidence that puts them in the dock. Without it, they could've gone on running my country into the ground.
March 29, 2007 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sampson is one stupid dude. All he had to say was, "It was a joke."
March 30, 2007 12:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sampson is clearly covering for Miers and Kelley here. "They just looked at me. They didn't say anything." Oh, right.
He has to bring up the fact that somebody said something about Fitzgerald being canned, because it's in the emails. But claiming the talk stopped at him creates a dead end for further inquiry.
You don't think this one was rehearsed to death?!
March 30, 2007 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
They are young for a purpose - so they can be around for the next 40 years. Roberts and Alito are realtively young for the same purpose. Cheney and Rumsfeld are left overs from Nixon and Ford. With Sampson and others they are reproducing...if we had dodged the Bush 43 administration, they might have faded away.
March 30, 2007 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Kyle: I see prison in your future.
March 30, 2007 7:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just think what we'd learn if we water-boarded this little prick!
March 30, 2007 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
A devout Morman??
March 30, 2007 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
This scandal is really uncovering how the Bush Administration is filled with sycophants to power.
March 30, 2007 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
We should seriously look at the U.S. Attorneys that were not fired. Let's see if they were going after democrats exclusively.
March 30, 2007 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
We should seriously look at the U.S. Attorneys that were not fired. Let's see if they were going after democrats exclusively.
March 30, 2007 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been thinking about the put fitz on the kill list remark all day. It was a very pregnant few minutes when Kyle tried to figure how to explain.
I think in fact he did say it as a joke. The principals maybe got a good laugh. However, that joke makes no since unless the others on the list were getting fired for similar reasons and the one they would really like to get was pfitz. It was the ultimate insider joke but he couldn't say that.
March 31, 2007 8:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I remember saying it but not WHY i said it. Since the persons in question have questionable memory, what WERE they thinking?
122: (desperate grasping, hoping to just "slip" it in casually, knowing these two are especially malleable) What about that problematic Fitzy?
Miers: (playing along, hoping billy will confirm so she can just play along, deny later.) hmmmmm
billy: (thinking, "okay, who's falling for this?") ummmmm
122: (thinking "uh-oh") Okay, bad idea.
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