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Specter: "We Haven't Really Gotten Answers"

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) stopped just short of calling for Alberto Gonzales' resignation, saying that "it's for two people to decide": Gonzales and the president.

But that didn't sound like where he was going in his comments. He said there'd been a "loss of credibility" at the department, that "we haven't really gotten answers" from Gonzales. He added that there was unquestionably a morale problem at the department and that the message had been sent that U.S. attorneys around the country "ought to be on guard... for you to have said that this was 'an overblown personnel matter,' that can't be erased."

But he said, "I'm not going to call for your resignation," saying that it's "beyond my purview.... For myself, I want to leave it to you and the president."


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Clasic Specter. Say all of the right things until its time to actually take a stand.

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wow - nina totenberg called it earlier... the republicons won't directly call for his resignation (except crazy coburn) - rather the pressure will be put on the whitehouse to take fredo out for a row on the lake.

amazing to think that this guy and harriet miers were both on the short list for the supreme court (well we know miers made it past the short list).

bye bye fredo.

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A review of the comments here at Muckraker will reveal that earlier this morning I posted 2 entries that predicted Specter would wimp out. He does it every time, it's kind of like Lucy holding the football for Linus. He continues to fall for her trickery...

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One of the most interesting points in all of this was when one of the Senators was trying to drive home the idea of improper firing of attorneys.

He said something along the lines of "if you hung one of the AGs wouldn't that send a message to all of the other ones?" Of course Gonzales didn't understand.

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...this guy and harriet miers were both on the short list

Yeah, that makes me feel oh so good about Alito and Roberts. (And after yesterday, I wasn't feeling so good about those guys in the first place.)

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global yokel
You called it. This Charlie Brown has had it. If Specter wants another 6 years he will get it without my vote.

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It is my sincere hope that Commander Codpiece continues to be steadfast in his support for little brother Fredo. If I thought a (Bush-selected) replacement had a real chance of fixing the mess they've made of the Justice department, I'd want Gonzo gone-zo, for the sake of America, but I don't. This whole administration needs to be excised like the malignancy that it is, and keeping the exemplar "loyal Bushie" Alberto around will help to hasten the much-needed radical surgery.

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"I posted 2 entries that predicted Specter would wimp out."

Seriously, that's like posting a prediction that the sun will rise in the East, or the Cubs will lose the pennant.

As I predicted earlier, Gonzo wont resign. And he wont be fired. Great time, however, to be a US Atty. Complete job security for the next 2 years. No way they'll EVER be able to fire another one for any reason until Bush is gone.

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In the legal parlance, we look for smoking gun: one's signature on a document, or attendance during a discussion should be enough for conviction. But here, we're learning about a new type of defense: "I don't recall."

I want to switch to the "Gonzalez diet" ... have selective amnesia, and expect/hope that it absolves you from all responsibilities.

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Yes, and think of all the good the current USA's can do between now and Nov 2008 to make sure that that extremely important election is totally fair and every vote counts.

The system remians rigged unless and until we unrig it.

And as far as Specter is concerned, anyone who takes his blather for more than political cover for his own sake hasn't been paying attention for the past 6 years. If you end up saying that it's up to Dubya and Gonzo to decide whether Gonzo resigns, then you should have kept you mouth shut and given your hearing time to someone with a backbone.

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You mean Specter talked tough but wimped out in the last instance?

Surely not.

What a profile in courage.

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Schumer: "Even the White House, as intransigent as they are, will not keep him after today."

http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/

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I am amazed at some of the comments. Do they expect him to be a traitor to his party?

Senator Specter did everything except literally fire the gun. He made it very plain that he had absolutely no confidence in the truthfulness and credibility of the attorney general albeit that he stated it with nuance.

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We will recall that Specter talked tough and then completely caved and voted for the Torture Habeus Corpus bill in Oct. 2006.

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"Senator Specter did everything except literally fire the gun. He made it very plain that he had absolutely no confidence in the truthfulness and credibility of the attorney general albeit that he stated it with nuance. "

I agree entirely. I can't speak for what he's said/done in the past, but Specter was basically telling the president to fire Gonzo with his remarks. To me, at least, that seems equally as damning as asking for a resignation. At least he's sending a message to the white house, the real snake den.

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how come when gonzalez says i can't recall we let him skate, but when they say that at gitmo or abu grahib they give him more waterboarding

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Sen Whitehouse made the biggest splash again today. In addition to his "Hang Admiral Bing to set an example" in the first round, he had a telling examination of how not to operate a Justice Department in the second round. He mentioned that Sen Hatch had input to the Clinton plan, in fact.

He compared Pres Clinton's restrictions on White House/DoJ authorized-to-interact numbers of 4 WH persons - highest levels only - Pres, VP and 2 others to 3 in the DoJ - also highest levels only - AG, DAG - to the Bush II numbers: 417 WH authorized and 30 DoJ. Chairman Leahy said he'd never seen anything like that in all his years in the Senate.

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While I obviously concur that Bush puts faith in his cronies well ahead of competence and is comfortable surrounded by "Loyal Bushies", there have been exceptions like Rumsfeld and Heckuva Job Brownie. I'll agree that Abu has a special history with Bush the Junior, but there is some history of letting go when there is just no more defense left (see: Miers, Harriet).

So, optimist that I am, suppose Bush caved to pressure and actually nominated someone who could take care of the DoJ for the next year and a half. It was pretty obvious outside of Hatch the Republicans are in no mood for Abu II The Sequel, so I think this might be more possible than might appear on first glance. I doubt Rove would agree with this plan, nor Cheney, but I doubt Cheney liked the Gates selection (or at least can't be happy with Gates saying such things as he has lately about timelines being helpful, for example).

The only fly in the ointment, if Abu truly is going to be thrown under the bus in another example of the "Must save Rove" theory of scandal control, would be Hatch being nominated, and the "quaint" Senatorial collegiality confirming one of their own. He most certainly would be just as destructive as Abu, if not worse.

Security Code "Fact" -- why doesn't Abu post here; he could use some advice!

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I don't think Arlen is going to be any too happy with Bush's quick statement of support for Gonzo coming right on the heels of Arlen saying that the Senate hadn't really gotten the answers it was looking for. Arlen may be a wuss but he's a wuss with an ego and the WH shouldn't push it too far. Even with no backbone, Arlen's ego may finally get the job done.

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When it comes right down to it, Arlen Specter is one of the biggest pussies in government. He's all big talk until it comes down to actually taking some action. Then he's all big talk.

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I hope he does not resign. I hope he and every other incompetent Bush appointee stays in there. They are our best gaurantee of regaining the White House in 2008 as well as increase our majority in the house and senate. So just keep backing your losers, George. Drive this ship right into the iceberg. Make our day.

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watching it--again--on Cspan tv, somewhere in the first DiFi question round, re Lam, etc.
Gonzo makes a big time eating deal out of seeing the paper DiFi is reading from, then follows the questions with a intent look on his face, only to "not know" the answwer to the question.
3 minutes of dancing, then no answer...
I understand Schumer's decision to not ask any more questions...

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Why is YouTube pulling these videos?

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Uhoh...Abu's lost Sessions. Sessions sounded like he was ready to cry on NPR tonight...it's over.

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The video is "no longer available" on YouTube. What's up with that?

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The most significant point I got from the hearing was that the Republican senators, with only a few exceptions, were no more likely to give the administration a free ride than were the Dems.
Historically (see Watergate) it speaks volumes.

Oh, and Bush is offically off his nut.

The party's over...

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I think the Republicans on the Judiciary Committee are telling Bush that they don't want Alberto around to kick anymore. Gonzales has told so many lies and contradictions. He is trying to state he made the decision, and the decision was made at DOJ, while denying how he knew about this.

It is obvious the decision was made at the White House, and DOJ had the job of doing the political cover work. How they were fired, after a meeting of US Attorneys in Washington ended, so they wouldn't compare notes, show that they were trying to cover any political upheaval.

If the White House fired one or two attorneys, they would had gotten away with it. However they got greedy, and shot themselves twice by blatantly lying about it.

There are still holes in this story, and those holes lead directly to the White House. Gonzales show in his testimony that he was following orders from Rove and Miers. He tried until he had to fired well just move to another part of DOj at first his Chief of Staff, to block and obfusticate this as an "overblown personnel matter".

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Bush will not send Gonzo packing, he is the only thing that keeps him in power. A real AG would not rubber stamp Busheys agenda, and allow him to operate outside of the law! Best thing we can do now is keep Gonzo before congress testifying until the elections are over and the new POTUS takes over. Let's hope the next one is actually elected to the position!!

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In general, I agree that Sen. Specter tends to pull back at the last moment, such as when he didn't give a voice vote recently and just left it up to the rest of the committee to carry the baggage. On the other hand, his comments here can be heard as a diplomatically phrased invitation to resign, and for Pres. Bush to accept that resignation. He's not calling for the president to fire the AG, he's asking the AG to do the honorable thing and spare the president of that indignity. Of course, AG is not honorable so, even if he gets the hint, he won't do the right thing. I think however, that he's so dense that the subtle message flew right over his head.

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Bush was three sheets in Ohio today ("Pray with me Henry").
Dennis will call for Cheney's impeachment.
Contact the Republican committee members above first.
They will make the difference.
Also good Republican George Voinovich (OH).
Tell them we want Gonzo gone, Dead eye gone, and our boys out of Nam, er, Iraq.

Heckuva job Chimpy.

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Anyone who thinks Alberto is anything more than a patsy in this whole fiasco, raise your hand please. Now you with your hands up, go to the back of the class and watch replays of the last 6 years. Footage will show Dick "face-blaster" Cheney and turdblossom in charge of foriegn and domestic policy respectively, Dubya standing in as their "cowboy" mouthpiece, and various incompetents and sychophants clustered around Dubya to soothe his sensitive ego. The real criminals are still behind the curtain at the WH. Gonzo's act is just buying them more tap-dancing time while the country and Constitution go to hell.

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amazing to think that this guy and harriet miers were both on the short list for the supreme court (well we know miers made it past the short list).

Sure makes one wonder about Alito doesn't it? I agreed with the confirmation of Roberts but I always thought that Alito shouldn't have been confirmed because of the case that he refused to recuse himself from involving some assets that he had on one side of that case.

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Not so amazing when you consider that the single qualification for a Bush appointment is how big a suck-up you are. And by the way, that Roberts nomination you agreed with brought us the current majority ruling against abortion in the face of a whole series of decisions they had to reverse. Remember Roberts' blather about how much he respected "stare decicis". Well now it's Roberts to American women "I got your stare decicis... right here!". Quiz: How do you know a Bush appointment is a disaster? Answer: it's a Bush appointment.

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has anyone looked into the Specter staffer that slipped the AG provision into the legislation to begin with? and did Specter approve? who got him to add that piece of late night penmanship?

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I'm starting to think the last thing we want is for Gonzo to resign. Much better to start impeachment proceedings and put him on trial for all his trangressions: torture, denying habeas corpus, illegal wiretapping, signing statements, obstruction of justice -- the entire littany of egregious illegal activity that is at the center of the most corrupt administration in the history of the United States of America. When the Attorney General of the United States shreds our Constitution, he belongs behind bars. Failure to put him there is an encouragement for those who follow him to do the same, not unlike Ford pardoning Nixon set the precedent for this criminal we now all endure.

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Senator Graham asked the most poignant question when he posed the question to the AG whether or not his performance would rate keeping his job under the criteria he imposed upon these eight.
I am not sure that this comes directly from the WH, though that certainly seems to reflect previous trends. I believe the real problem comes from the fact that instead of hiring the best and the brightest this administration has continually chosen affiliation over ability. I believe there are more graduates of Liberty College working in this administration than any other university.
That alone is scary as hell. The only thing scarier would be actual cyborgs.

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