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DoJ Official to Cummins: Circumventing Senate Was "White House Plan"

Alberto Gonzales and others at the Justice Department have been desperately claiming for months that they'd never intended to circumvent the Senate in the confirmation of U.S. attorneys.

But apparently Timothy Griffin, the former aide to Karl Rove who was appointed as the U.S. Attorney for Little Rock, didn't know it was so taboo.

In written response to questions from Congress made public today, Griffin's predecessor Bud Cummins says that Griffin had been telling a number of people in Arkansas that he would remain as the U.S. attorney there for the remainder of Bush's term whether he was confirmed by the Senate or not. An obscure provision in the Patriot Act reauthorization bill, of course, had made just such a thing possible.

Cummins writes of a conversation he had with Michael Elston, the chief of staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty, in late January, the day after Alberto Gonzales had testified to the Senate. Gonzales had said, among other things, that the Justice Department would seek a presidential nomination for the U.S. attorneys in every district. Cummins had called Elston to contest this idea, because "it appeared to [him] that there was no intention to put Tim Griffin through a nomination." Elston disagreed...

Elston rejected that notion and assured me that every replacement would have to be confirmed by the Senate. I told him if that was the case, then he had better gag Tim Griffin because Griffin was telling many people, including me, that officials in Washington had assured him he could stay in as USA pursuant to an interim appointment whether he was ever nominated or not. Elston denied knowing anything about anyone’s intention to circumvent Senate confirmation in Griffin’s case. He said that might have been the White House’s plan, but they “never read DOJ into that plan” and DOJ would never go along with it. This indicated to me that my removal had been dictated entirely by the White House. He said Griffin would be confirmed or have to resign. I remember that part of the conversation well because I then said to Elston that it looked to me that if Tim Griffin couldn’t get confirmed and had to then resign, then I would have resigned for nothing, and to that, after a brief pause Elston replied, “yes, that’s right.” [emphasis mine]

Remember that emails show that Kyle Sampson didn't want Bud Cummins testifying to Congress because he worried that Cummins would testify that Griffin had been blabbing about the Patriot Act provision.

The entirety of Cummins' account of this phone call with Elston is below.

You can see all of the U.S. attorneys questions and answers here.

Here's Cummins' account of the call:

I called the DAG on or about January 19 after the AG testified in the Senate and left a message. He called back and left a message. I called back, the DAG was unavailable, and Mike Elston took the call saying the DAG asked him to see what I needed. I was calling to bring three things to their attention that I thought were all probably inadvertent misrepresentations that should and likely would be corrected. The first concerned a DOJ spokesman’s statement to the press on or about December 26 stating that one reason Tim Griffin had been named as interim USA was because the First Assistant was on maternity leave. I told Elston that most people in our relatively small legal community had instantly mocked that statement because it was obvious Tim Griffin had been here for months for the purpose of taking over on my departure, because no person was aware of any conversations or other communications that might demonstrate that appointing the First Assistant was EVER a consideration, and because even though she actually had left the office a week before (on or about December 14) to give birth to twins, her due date was much later in early February and until she went out for an emergency delivery the week before she had been widely expected to continue to work in the office until February, so she actually could have been available for six weeks or more to serve as an interim had anybody ever considered that option. Nobody had and that was obvious. I told them it was a ridiculous thing to say in light of what many people here knew and that they shouldn’t repeat it. Second, I told him that the AG had made two statements to the Senate Judiciary Committee that I thought were inconsistent with the facts. First, the AG had said that every change in USA spots had been made to improve the management in those districts. I knew or thought I knew that improving management had nothing to do with the change in my district, and I not only thought the statement was unfair to me, but also that it was going to be challenged because Senator Pryor knew better. I thought they might want to supplement the AG’s testimony in a way to except my district. At that time I neither knew who else had been fired or why. Elston agreed with me that I had been fired simply to allow Tim Griffin to have the job. He assured me that the other cases were different and that if I knew the reasons behind those firings I would agree that “they had to go.” He didn’t know if they would ever be able to fix the record in regard to me, but he said he would see if they could avoid repeating similar statements in the future. Finally, I expressed concern that the AG’s statement that DOJ would seek a presidential nomination for the USA in every district was going to cause trouble here in Arkansas because it appeared to me that there was no intention to put Tim Griffin through a nomination. Elston rejected that notion and assured me that every replacement would have to be confirmed by the Senate. I told him if that was the case, then he had better gag Tim Griffin because Griffin was telling many people, including me, that officials in Washington had assured him he could stay in as USA pursuant to an interim appointment whether he was ever nominated or not. Elston denied knowing anything about anyone’s intention to circumvent Senate confirmation in Griffin’s case. He said that might have been the White House’s plan, but they “never read DOJ into that plan” and DOJ would never go along with it. This indicated to me that my removal had been dictated entirely by the White House. He said Griffin would be confirmed or have to resign. I remember that part of the conversation well because I then said to Elston that it looked to me that if Tim Griffin couldn’t get confirmed and had to then resign, then I would have resigned for nothing, and to that, after a brief pause Elston replied, “yes, that’s right.” [UPDATE: I saw in some of the documents that I may have placed a call to the DAG immediately before the AG testified in January. I frankly don’t remember it that way, but it is possible that I was calling even then to express concerns based on the reporting I was seeing at the time on the issues described above.]

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I think it's "Impeach Abu" time.

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Impeach 'em all and let Beelzebub sort 'em out.

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So when is Griffin's time up?

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Let the circular firing squad commence.

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Paul, you may want to note in your piece that Griffin still has the job. E.g. change:

"Timothy Griffin, the former aide to Karl Rove who was appointed as the U.S. Attorney for Little Rock,"

to:

"Timothy Griffin, the former aide to Karl Rove who was is now the U.S. Attorney for Little Rock,"

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Timmy needs to step down...

He has embarrassed himself and the DoJ long enough...

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Gonzolas testified that all of the USAs would be confirmed, so let's see if any of the small amount of things he remembered is true.


Security Code: Jump Like jump under the bus, before you're pushed.

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Also, I'd love to see an article on the ins and outs of impeaching AGAG. In particular, note that conservative activist Richard Viguerie is calling for the impeachment of Gonzales if he doesn't resign.

Here's the press release titled Richard Viguerie on Alberto Gonzales: 'Resign or be Impeached -- and Republicans Must Take the Lead':
http://prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=ind_focus.story&STORY=/www/story/04-27-2007/0004575842&EDATE=FRI+Apr+27+2007,+03:04+PM

and some commentary:
http://balkin.blogspot.com/2007/05/in-name-of-god-go-continued.html

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Who was that, at the White House dictating these events, again? Louder please, didn't quite hear you.

From what's just come out, it appears that the policy was that no one would be in charge or make decisions at Justice. Either they weren't doing there jobs or they were unneeded. Therefore, they should all quit and save the taxpayers some cash.

Unfortunately, the investigation should be extended out about three management levels in all directions to make sure all of the malfeasance can be rooted out.

The only way these clowns could be seen to be doing their jobs would be if their job description was to run the department into the ground and destroy people's faith in the ability of government to do its job.

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mayan,
it's my understanding that Griffin's "time is up" when a President asks him to resign. I believe the "fix" to the USA appointment law was not retroactive; only new appointments have to go through the Senate, not the old ones

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gwb43.com

Now, more than ever.

Win this one for the team, Congressman Waxman.

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from your Sampson email link above, on March 20, 2007:

Update: I reached Cummins just now, and he replied (ever the Southern gentleman) with "My answer is a polite 'I don't want to talk about it.'... I don't want to appear to be in any way trying to injure Mr. Griffin's prospects as to whether or not he can serve as a U.S. Attorney." He did add, however, that he would answer that question if subpoenaed and put under oath before Congress

So, he tells Congress what he wouldn't tell the press. Oversight is SO necessary with this corrupt administration.

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Seems like TPM is forgetting some of the the amazing emails you have already discussed that show why Griffin felt confident that he would be able to stay -- remember the "run out the clock" email from Sampson?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/important-to-karl/?resultpage=1&

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from your Sampson email link above, on March 20, 2007:

Update: I reached Cummins just now, and he replied (ever the Southern gentleman) with "My answer is a polite 'I don't want to talk about it.'... I don't want to appear to be in any way trying to injure Mr. Griffin's prospects as to whether or not he can serve as a U.S. Attorney." He did add, however, that he would answer that question if subpoenaed and put under oath before Congress

So, he tells Congress what he wouldn't tell the press. Oversight is SO necessary with this corrupt administration.

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Leahy issues subpoenas for Rove email...
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/leahy-issues-subpoena-for-rove-e-mails-2007-05-02.html

Leahy issues subpoena for Rove e-mails
By Klaus Marre
May 02, 2007
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) issued a subpoena Wednesday for all e-mails from White House adviser Karl Rove that relate to the firings of eight U.S. attorneys.

“Attached please find a subpoena compelling the Department by May 15 to produce any and all emails and attachments to emails to, from, or copied to Karl Rove related to the Committee’s investigation into the preservation of prosecutorial independence and the Department of Justice’s politicization of the hiring and firing and decision-making of United States Attorneys, from any (1) White House account, (2) Republican National Committee account, or (3) other account, in the possession, custody or control of the Department of Justice,” Leahy said in a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

(Code: tooth - weird)

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If the political arm of the White House is involved in subverting the prosecution of crimes by removing diligent U.S. Attorneys, then the rotten core of this presidency must be removed. To quote Tom Paine: ". . . that in America, THE LAW IS KING. For in absolute governments,the king is law, for in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other." (Common Sense, 98)IMPEACH!

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Leahy had better also subpoena all emails related to Rove in the "possession, custody or control" of the RNC, pronto.

Code: male as in Malefactor-Bush

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The Senate should be able to easily determine which of those appointed pursuant to the interim appointment authority in the PATRIOT Act have actually been nominated by the president and submitted to the Senate for confirmation.

Gonzales et al. can say they never intended to circumvent Senate confirmation till the cows come home, but the issue is what action have they taken to follow through on that assertion?

If the committees ask about that, I bet they will get one excuse after another for why it just couldn't be done any sooner. It'll be another example of the "gum it to death" routine advocated by Sampson.

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Where do we mail this smoking gun to get the white house purge underway?

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I am very disappointed that Griffin is there to stay. My (mis)understanding was that his 120 days would start being counted when the provision was voided. Didn't realize that he doesn't EVER need confirmation by Senate. Can't something be done about that? How many others are USAs w/o Senate approval?

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OK, is anyone surprised by this? Really??
Why else would the "No Confirmation" rider be slipped into the law in the first place? Let's guess, shall we. Could it be to handpick political hacks in key states to facilitate the theft of the 2008 election? No one was going to notice, because the Repugs held the Senate and the House, right??

Oops, that pesky 2006 election! Boy, are their faces red!!

Of course, the first round of hacks are in place. And soon we may get a read on the hackery of the ones who weren't replaced. "Loyal Bushies."

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It makes me sick that we are not discussing Enron employees or some other corporation but the US Government! There must be at least 20 things that have happened that, while not illegal, or so improper to have forced more resignations than young underlings who seem to have had a lot of fun "playing government". I can't imagine disrespecting the Constitution more than Alberto Gonzales being paid by taxpayer money.

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Isn't it a terrible thing about conspiracies that they really do involve so many people.

codeword was "crime"
I just had to post.

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Yes, this is awful.

But what strikes me is that we're getting more and more info that confirms the political nature of all of this, together with the snafus that occurred in the process of trying to carry out the nefarious plans.

It's obvious, actually, that the supposed smooth carrying out of Rove's plots has begun to unravel, with "loose lips" sinking the ship of state. Griffin's lips. Lam's disclosures. Etc. We are seeing more and more people talking - and by no means is it making rove, bush, cheney, gonzo, and the other players look any better at all.

So, while the disclosures don't solve any current problems, they certainly contribute hugely to the picture of criminal wrong-doing with the intent of more criminal wrong-doing.

IMNAL, nothwithstanding.

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Wondering how the DOJ will react to the lastest subpoenas issue today...thinking this will be a case of "Oh what a tangled web we weave" can't wait. So glad W endorsed Abu so wholeheartedly so this could move forward.... now pass me some popcorn please

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Stupid Question: When is Tim Griffin going to be dragged up to testify? Let's get him on the record, saying that he was going to be there till the end of the term. Make him say he's not going to use his office to go after Hillary and then use that statement against him, when he does (because we know he's only there to do Rove's bidding). Make him say he's willing to go through a confirmation process or let him have it, al la Abu Gonzo. Then, drag every "interim" USA to testify and ask them what made them an improvement over the USA's they replaced. If they can't say that they bring more to the table, then hammer that issue home too. Does anyone feel that the Repugs would hesitate to do that, if the shoe was on the other foot?

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Cummins strikes me as a major no bullshit kind of guy.

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I think I've figured out what these people's real problem has been all along. They actually believed in the 'permanent Republican majority' shit Rove tried to shovele down everyone's throat.

Code: PULL as in stop pullin my leg.

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Timothy Griffin needs to be investigated for violations of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, not rewarded with a DOJ appointment. Article and link:

“Through a process known as “caging,” Griffin’s team sent letters to newly registered voters in envelopes barring any forwarding, so they would be returned if a voter wasn’t at that address. BBC’s investigative reporter Greg Palast uncovered Griffin’s role in this practice that proved especially effective in “caging” African-Americans who lived in low-income areas or who were serving in the U.S. military. The “caged” voters would then be challenged by Republican lawyers when they arrived at the polls. According to Palast and his BBC report, Griffin “was the hidden hand behind a scheme to wipe out the voting rights of 70,000 citizens prior to the 2004 election. Key voters on Griffin’s hit list: Black soldiers and homeless men and women.” Palast noted that “targeting voters where race is a factor is a felony crime under the Voting Rights Act of 1965.”

Link: http://www.truthout.org/docs_200…6/ 032907F.shtml

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security code: Poison.

Good night . . . .

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