And if they ignore subpoenas, THEN what? More threatening letters?

I've had it - would someone PLEASE give Bush a blowjob so we can impeach his lyin ass?

(Where's Jeff Gannon when you need him?)

Why are they pissing around? Attempt to impeach the twit and their attitude will change. Gonzales has obstructed justice, perjured himself and showed plain incompetence, arrogance, stupidity and is a danger to the DOJ. Code word: wound. What Gonzales has inflicted on the country

OOOOO so issue the subpoenas already.

Don't make me have to come up there! Or there will no television, ipod or cell phone.

The WH will ignore them and the dems will look foolish and weak.

SC: Canvas: this is what the repugs are going to do to the neighorhoods making sure to supress voters and ignore the law.

So, when the inevitable happens, when the White House claims it does not need to respond to subpoenas from the legislative branch, what happens?

Does our on-going, slow-motion constitutional crisis come to a real moment of truth? Or will the process be dragged on and kicked down the road?

Anyone with knowledge of the relevant law to help me out?

The Democrats should look to Sam Erwin and the Watergate hearings. When members of the Nixon administration threatened to ignore subpoenaes, Sam said he would send the Capital Police to the White House to get them.

Grow some damned balls, and just go get these criminals.

Rebel

It is a chess match. With each move by Congress, the Rethug position weakens. Observe the hammering they're getting in fundraising, even in the South. As Congress closes in, the counter moves will get ugly, further incensing the public.

Bush and Cheyney must both go before 1/2009, to keep the pardon machine out of commission.

Damian Let them sweat! How would you like to be a Bush appointee or hiree right now? I'm sure down in the ranks of our career civil service employees we have allies who will keep us informed.

If I was in DC I might be tempted to ask for written clarification when asked or told to do something wrong.

I would also put some deodorant on some peoples desk with a note to use it when sweating.

Patience is a virtue! The longer this drags on, the worse it looks for the Republicans. These long drawn out scandals just help to embed the "Culture of Corruption" mantra and the arrogance of Republicans into people's heads. Bush is turning more and more people against the Republican Party and that's a GOOD thing.

Just DO IT, already.....there is no honor or egos to worry about. What Karl has on each of you, you will each have to weigh personally as to your level of participation, but...overall - for the good of the country...

DO IT, already.

We made it just fine thru Watergate and this is 100 times worse....we'll do it with style, grace, sound judgement and PURPOSE.

Just DO IT.

We mean it this time.

Issuing the subpoenas is not simply a matter of throwing legal weight. It's a political process. You issue the subpoena when the time is right politically, so you can maximize you're leverage.

Assuming Monical Goodling implicates the White House -- or at least kicks the can in their direction -- it would be better to issue the subpoenas after her testimony, when the political pressure is greatest.

Strike when your opponent is weakest.

Patience is a virture.

Off to the "Albert Hess Suite" in Spandau cassle for the whole lot of them!!!!!!!!

"Does our on-going, slow-motion constitutional crisis come to a real moment of truth? Or will the process be dragged on and kicked down the road?"

Not many Americans know, or care, that we've been in a Constitutional crisis for some time.

The media doesn't provide a 10,000-foot analysis, a 'big-picture' look-down, to inform the country that *all* the major events and scandals involving the Bush administration and the GOP which have occured since September 11th, 2001, all have a common theme and a common source. As far as most people are concerned, it's a series of events and scandals which may be *related*, but not *interconnected* -- and the MSM has done little to change that perception.

The national debate about the war or Gonzales or anything else isn't framed by the MSM within the context of a Constitutional showdown between a president who is a confrontational, sociopathic liar (Bush) and a Congress with a Democratic majority... and the White House wants it to stay that way.

I'm not sure if there's 'relevant law' to be quoted here. The last time we had a showdown between the Executive and Legislative branches that even resembles our current situation, we had Watergate. And what's happening now is of greater concern for all of us -- or, it should be.

What makes our present situation worse are the players, and the stakes. The Republicans were not dealt a death blow by the actions of Nixon and his Men -- but depending upon what happens, how this situation plays out could cripple the GOP for a generation or more.

Those members of the GOP who could be called Opportunists, who just went along with Cheney-Bush, now understand that nothing will turn or change Bush's course -- and if this doesn't frighten them, it should.

Bush will do everything to show he's not the wimpy, incompetent and insecure middle son of a powerful family -- He is the Master, the Chooser, The Powerful.. He is inflexible; his need to dominate doesn't allow compromise. His need not just to win but humiliate and functionally destroy his domestic 'enemies' is all-consuming.

And the fate of the Republican Party is tied to the personality of George Bush as securely as the sailors of the 'Pequod' were under Captain Ahab.

Also, it isn't so much the *composition* of the Supreme Court (Right vs. Left) compared with 1973, so much as the *politicization* of that body which makes our current situation so dicy -- because whenever and however this all comes to a head (and it will have to), it must end up in front of the Supreme Court.

The Bush-Cheney crew would like to stall that process as long as possible, and diffuse attention on it in the media as much as they're able to spin it. Worst case, it all comes to a head in late Summer Early Fall of 2008.

A friend, recently returned from three weeks in Great Britian, advised that almost everyone he spoke with understands the current political manuverings in the U.S. as a Constitutional crisis. They view the mechanisms of government -- theirs, or ours -- through the lens of the documents which permit parliamentary process and allow leaders to lead.

They get it. We don't -- not yet, if ever -- and they cannot understand why we seem so willfully uninformed.

RE: Rebel

The Repugs may loose in '08, but we all will lose between now and then.

Who controls the US Marshals?

I'm going to give you one last chance before I give you one last chance!!

While it may be a political game of chess for some, for others it's about holding these SOBs accountable and removing them from their positions of power. Now.
Posted by: Damian

Damn straight. Fuck this talk of chess. These fuckers will stall to the bitter end and get away with it. The time for a slow, deliberate chess game is over. The Dems look weak. Start taking the fight to these assholes.

Well, a good faith effort must be set forth before discovery starts. That's the difference between ethical and unethical lawyers.

Bushlaw is no law at all.

Goodbye, Pinky.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/rove_and_gonzales_do_justice.html

Bring it home, congressman Conyers.

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Austin Cooper...thanks for your observations, with which I agree. I've never liked to conflate policy and personality, but the pathologies of Bush, which you've nicely summed up, make me very afraid of where we're headed. He can't simply walk away from his failure and have others clean up the mess, as he's always done in the past. I'm ready to believe he's willing to pull down the scenery and burn down the theatre to prevent this play from getting the terminal bad review it warrants.

Ohhhh...we're so scared. If we don't comply, you'll demand we comply. And then when we don't, you'll release a letter you sent us to the media demanding we reply. Man, I wish Bush could run again in '08 just to prove how stupid the liberal lemmings are.

The Bush administration is going to give the finger to everything (including subpoenas) Congress does.

Then I suspect it goes to the Supreme Court. Help us out her legal eagles.

Bush is just killing time here. Bush and all of Congress know all the chess moves that can and will be executed.

I suffered through Watergate, can you just wake me when something big happens.

It's called "Dotting your i's and Crossing your T's"! You wouldn't want some Repub like Mitch "No Lips" McConnell saying,they don't have to appear because you didn't put a comma here,or you spelled a word wrong,would you? Have patience,let it drag on,it's only tars the Bush White House more everyday!
Soon Bush won't even be welcome in Crawford Texas!

". . . . Attempt to impeach the twit and their attitude will change."

"Posted by: nellieh
Date: May 21, 2007 04:53 PM"

How many votes would it take to impeach? 66-67. How many do the Democrats have, without Republican participation? Significantly fewer than 66.

Should we pay attention to reality, instead of bashing Democrats for doing that they are not yet able to do?

"Bushco will stall until Jan 20 2009. His fascist criminal administration needs to be impeached, now. If the Republicans would grow some balls and do what's right for their country instead of their party, this nation could straighten itself out. But they won't, so we won't.

"Posted by: rdf
Date: May 21, 2007 05:47 PM"

It was the Republicans who wnet to Nixon and told him, "It's all over."

The no-confidence vote, among other things, puts the Republicans on the spot: There's an election coming up -- Do you support Gonzales? -- there's an election coming up -- do you want Gonzales gone? -- there's an election coming up.

Given sufficient time, with Gonzales still there, keeping the issues alive and front-and-center, the Republicans will be increasingly willing to save their own asses.

SC = fear. As in, Fear is the Republican _modus operandi_ -- and it can operate on them as much as anyone else, and motivate them to want to get re-elected by doing the right thing.

Just cut to the chase and bring Article of Impeachment against Bush and Cheney. It is that easy.

And they can be sent over to The Hague to answer for International War Crimes.

The dump happened 11 sets

Conyers and his committee are blowing smoke. They'll give Rove "one last chance," which he'll take for appearances' sake. Then he'll do what Gonzo did: He'll go to Conyers' stupid committee and lie to them. They'll get all huffy and blow more smoke and threaten subpoenas again. All of that will take weeks and months, of course, and meanwhile the Bush crime syndicate rolls on apace.

Bush is right to sneer at this Congress. String the whole damned pack of them (Democrats and Republicans) up by their thumbs and slit them all from brisket to crotch, you wouldn't find enough guts to fill a three-quart saucepan.

Fire every one of the bastards, I say. Vote third-party in 2008.

I was just thinking about the House Committee on the Judiciary having Monica as a guest Wednesday at 10:15 AM. I began to wonder what I would be thinking if it was a Democratic appointee being grilled by a republican congress. Then I realized that I'd probably have to shell out some bucks to watch it on pay per view!

To all those that want to knock of the top leadership of this administration, think about how CDI in Baltimore brings down those big structures by using a little explosive force in the right place. Instead of the wrecking ball approach lets knock out the foundations.

Put the little twerps in the hot seat, they can't prep everybody for a month to learn how to lie effectively.

So what?

House Dems subpoena, the White House refuses, House Dems do nothing in response other than carp in the media which will roundly ignore it.

Unless and until they bring such issues before the courts for timely adjudication, nothing of substance will occur.

Hell, order the Sergeant of Arms to arrest Rove's ass and then shout nothing but how the Bush administration and the GOP think they are above the law 24/7. Who knows, it might actually wake a segment of the electorate form its stupor in numbers enough to light a fire on the rest of Congress to grow a pair and begin exercising its responsibilities as a coequal branch of Gov., on e tasked with oversight of the executive branch, you know, like their oaths of office commands them too.

So what's it going to take? A "pretty please with sugar on top"?

Supoena the lying bastards already!

They've already demonstrated over and over again their distain for the rule of law, their lack of acknowledgement of Congressional powers, so show 'em what it means to "get tough" FINALLY!

PEACE

"Just cut to the chase and bring Article of Impeachment against Bush and Cheney. It is that easy."

"Posted by: Theodore G. Fletcher
Date: May 21, 2007 06:55 PM"

Can Articles of Impeachment be voted without sufficent votes? No, they cannot. Stop bashing the Democrats because they Republicans are not yet willing to save their own asses by supporting impeachment.

SC = fear. As in, When the fear of losing -re-election is sufficient, the Republicans will be for impeachment. Until then, there aren't sufficient votes.

Will someone PLEASE make the dem's go to leadership camp and learn how to take the offensive???!!!
What inbred, swamp dwelling political consultant is cracking the whip around there?
I am more disgusted on a daily basis.

If they were cattle, I wouldn't let them breed.

The Bushcrap (I cannot call it Bushco. That is like saying it is a successful enterprise like Ronco or something simular)administration is doing what it is doing only because they think that the SCOTUS has their back. Let us hope that there are still 5 supreme court justices that believe in the constitution and equal justice under the law.

We're now seeing the inevitable result of Pelosi's decision to "take impeachment off the table." What does the White House have to fear at this point? They have 20 months to run out the clock, stonewall, lie, obfuscate, and pretend that this is all political theater.

When you're dealing with evil people, you can't play according to the rules of polite society. It's long since past the time when Democrats should fight fire with fire.