And if they ignore subpoenas, THEN what? More threatening letters?

I've had it - would someone PLEASE give Bush a blowjob so we can impeach his lyin ass?

(Where's Jeff Gannon when you need him?)

Why are they pissing around? Attempt to impeach the twit and their attitude will change. Gonzales has obstructed justice, perjured himself and showed plain incompetence, arrogance, stupidity and is a danger to the DOJ. Code word: wound. What Gonzales has inflicted on the country

OOOOO so issue the subpoenas already.

Don't make me have to come up there! Or there will no television, ipod or cell phone.

The WH will ignore them and the dems will look foolish and weak.

SC: Canvas: this is what the repugs are going to do to the neighorhoods making sure to supress voters and ignore the law.

So, when the inevitable happens, when the White House claims it does not need to respond to subpoenas from the legislative branch, what happens?

Does our on-going, slow-motion constitutional crisis come to a real moment of truth? Or will the process be dragged on and kicked down the road?

Anyone with knowledge of the relevant law to help me out?

The Democrats should look to Sam Erwin and the Watergate hearings. When members of the Nixon administration threatened to ignore subpoenaes, Sam said he would send the Capital Police to the White House to get them.

Grow some damned balls, and just go get these criminals.

Rebel

It is a chess match. With each move by Congress, the Rethug position weakens. Observe the hammering they're getting in fundraising, even in the South. As Congress closes in, the counter moves will get ugly, further incensing the public.

Bush and Cheyney must both go before 1/2009, to keep the pardon machine out of commission.

Damian Let them sweat! How would you like to be a Bush appointee or hiree right now? I'm sure down in the ranks of our career civil service employees we have allies who will keep us informed.

If I was in DC I might be tempted to ask for written clarification when asked or told to do something wrong.

I would also put some deodorant on some peoples desk with a note to use it when sweating.

Patience is a virtue! The longer this drags on, the worse it looks for the Republicans. These long drawn out scandals just help to embed the "Culture of Corruption" mantra and the arrogance of Republicans into people's heads. Bush is turning more and more people against the Republican Party and that's a GOOD thing.

Just DO IT, already.....there is no honor or egos to worry about. What Karl has on each of you, you will each have to weigh personally as to your level of participation, but...overall - for the good of the country...

DO IT, already.

We made it just fine thru Watergate and this is 100 times worse....we'll do it with style, grace, sound judgement and PURPOSE.

Just DO IT.

We mean it this time.

Issuing the subpoenas is not simply a matter of throwing legal weight. It's a political process. You issue the subpoena when the time is right politically, so you can maximize you're leverage.

Assuming Monical Goodling implicates the White House -- or at least kicks the can in their direction -- it would be better to issue the subpoenas after her testimony, when the political pressure is greatest.

Strike when your opponent is weakest.

Patience is a virture.

Off to the "Albert Hess Suite" in Spandau cassle for the whole lot of them!!!!!!!!

"Does our on-going, slow-motion constitutional crisis come to a real moment of truth? Or will the process be dragged on and kicked down the road?"

Not many Americans know, or care, that we've been in a Constitutional crisis for some time.

The media doesn't provide a 10,000-foot analysis, a 'big-picture' look-down, to inform the country that *all* the major events and scandals involving the Bush administration and the GOP which have occured since September 11th, 2001, all have a common theme and a common source. As far as most people are concerned, it's a series of events and scandals which may be *related*, but not *interconnected* -- and the MSM has done little to change that perception.

The national debate about the war or Gonzales or anything else isn't framed by the MSM within the context of a Constitutional showdown between a president who is a confrontational, sociopathic liar (Bush) and a Congress with a Democratic majority... and the White House wants it to stay that way.

I'm not sure if there's 'relevant law' to be quoted here. The last time we had a showdown between the Executive and Legislative branches that even resembles our current situation, we had Watergate. And what's happening now is of greater concern for all of us -- or, it should be.

What makes our present situation worse are the players, and the stakes. The Republicans were not dealt a death blow by the actions of Nixon and his Men -- but depending upon what happens, how this situation plays out could cripple the GOP for a generation or more.

Those members of the GOP who could be called Opportunists, who just went along with Cheney-Bush, now understand that nothing will turn or change Bush's course -- and if this doesn't frighten them, it should.

Bush will do everything to show he's not the wimpy, incompetent and insecure middle son of a powerful family -- He is the Master, the Chooser, The Powerful.. He is inflexible; his need to dominate doesn't allow compromise. His need not just to win but humiliate and functionally destroy his domestic 'enemies' is all-consuming.

And the fate of the Republican Party is tied to the personality of George Bush as securely as the sailors of the 'Pequod' were under Captain Ahab.

Also, it isn't so much the *composition* of the Supreme Court (Right vs. Left) compared with 1973, so much as the *politicization* of that body which makes our current situation so dicy -- because whenever and however this all comes to a head (and it will have to), it must end up in front of the Supreme Court.

The Bush-Cheney crew would like to stall that process as long as possible, and diffuse attention on it in the media as much as they're able to spin it. Worst case, it all comes to a head in late Summer Early Fall of 2008.

A friend, recently returned from three weeks in Great Britian, advised that almost everyone he spoke with understands the current political manuverings in the U.S. as a Constitutional crisis. They view the mechanisms of government -- theirs, or ours -- through the lens of the documents which permit parliamentary process and allow leaders to lead.

They get it. We don't -- not yet, if ever -- and they cannot understand why we seem so willfully uninformed.

RE: Rebel

The Repugs may loose in '08, but we all will lose between now and then.

Who controls the US Marshals?

I'm going to give you one last chance before I give you one last chance!!

While it may be a political game of chess for some, for others it's about holding these SOBs accountable and removing them from their positions of power. Now.
Posted by: Damian

Damn straight. Fuck this talk of chess. These fuckers will stall to the bitter end and get away with it. The time for a slow, deliberate chess game is over. The Dems look weak. Start taking the fight to these assholes.

Well, a good faith effort must be set forth before discovery starts. That's the difference between ethical and unethical lawyers.

Bushlaw is no law at all.

Goodbye, Pinky.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/rove_and_gonzales_do_justice.html

Bring it home, congressman Conyers.

.

Austin Cooper...thanks for your observations, with which I agree. I've never liked to conflate policy and personality, but the pathologies of Bush, which you've nicely summed up, make me very afraid of where we're headed. He can't simply walk away from his failure and have others clean up the mess, as he's always done in the past. I'm ready to believe he's willing to pull down the scenery and burn down the theatre to prevent this play from getting the terminal bad review it warrants.

Ohhhh...we're so scared. If we don't comply, you'll demand we comply. And then when we don't, you'll release a letter you sent us to the media demanding we reply. Man, I wish Bush could run again in '08 just to prove how stupid the liberal lemmings are.

The Bush administration is going to give the finger to everything (including subpoenas) Congress does.

Then I suspect it goes to the Supreme Court. Help us out her legal eagles.

Bush is just killing time here. Bush and all of Congress know all the chess moves that can and will be executed.

I suffered through Watergate, can you just wake me when something big happens.

It's called "Dotting your i's and Crossing your T's"! You wouldn't want some Repub like Mitch "No Lips" McConnell saying,they don't have to appear because you didn't put a comma here,or you spelled a word wrong,would you? Have patience,let it drag on,it's only tars the Bush White House more everyday!
Soon Bush won't even be welcome in Crawford Texas!

". . . . Attempt to impeach the twit and their attitude will change."

"Posted by: nellieh
Date: May 21, 2007 04:53 PM"

How many votes would it take to impeach? 66-67. How many do the Democrats have, without Republican participation? Significantly fewer than 66.

Should we pay attention to reality, instead of bashing Democrats for doing that they are not yet able to do?

"Bushco will stall until Jan 20 2009. His fascist criminal administration needs to be impeached, now. If the Republicans would grow some balls and do what's right for their country instead of their party, this nation could straighten itself out. But they won't, so we won't.

"Posted by: rdf
Date: May 21, 2007 05:47 PM"

It was the Republicans who wnet to Nixon and told him, "It's all over."

The no-confidence vote, among other things, puts the Republicans on the spot: There's an election coming up -- Do you support Gonzales? -- there's an election coming up -- do you want Gonzales gone? -- there's an election coming up.

Given sufficient time, with Gonzales still there, keeping the issues alive and front-and-center, the Republicans will be increasingly willing to save their own asses.

SC = fear. As in, Fear is the Republican _modus operandi_ -- and it can operate on them as much as anyone else, and motivate them to want to get re-elected by doing the right thing.

Just cut to the chase and bring Article of Impeachment against Bush and Cheney. It is that easy.

And they can be sent over to The Hague to answer for International War Crimes.

The dump happened 11 sets

Conyers and his committee are blowing smoke. They'll give Rove "one last chance," which he'll take for appearances' sake. Then he'll do what Gonzo did: He'll go to Conyers' stupid committee and lie to them. They'll get all huffy and blow more smoke and threaten subpoenas again. All of that will take weeks and months, of course, and meanwhile the Bush crime syndicate rolls on apace.

Bush is right to sneer at this Congress. String the whole damned pack of them (Democrats and Republicans) up by their thumbs and slit them all from brisket to crotch, you wouldn't find enough guts to fill a three-quart saucepan.

Fire every one of the bastards, I say. Vote third-party in 2008.

I was just thinking about the House Committee on the Judiciary having Monica as a guest Wednesday at 10:15 AM. I began to wonder what I would be thinking if it was a Democratic appointee being grilled by a republican congress. Then I realized that I'd probably have to shell out some bucks to watch it on pay per view!

To all those that want to knock of the top leadership of this administration, think about how CDI in Baltimore brings down those big structures by using a little explosive force in the right place. Instead of the wrecking ball approach lets knock out the foundations.

Put the little twerps in the hot seat, they can't prep everybody for a month to learn how to lie effectively.

So what?

House Dems subpoena, the White House refuses, House Dems do nothing in response other than carp in the media which will roundly ignore it.

Unless and until they bring such issues before the courts for timely adjudication, nothing of substance will occur.

Hell, order the Sergeant of Arms to arrest Rove's ass and then shout nothing but how the Bush administration and the GOP think they are above the law 24/7. Who knows, it might actually wake a segment of the electorate form its stupor in numbers enough to light a fire on the rest of Congress to grow a pair and begin exercising its responsibilities as a coequal branch of Gov., on e tasked with oversight of the executive branch, you know, like their oaths of office commands them too.

So what's it going to take? A "pretty please with sugar on top"?

Supoena the lying bastards already!

They've already demonstrated over and over again their distain for the rule of law, their lack of acknowledgement of Congressional powers, so show 'em what it means to "get tough" FINALLY!

PEACE

"Just cut to the chase and bring Article of Impeachment against Bush and Cheney. It is that easy."

"Posted by: Theodore G. Fletcher
Date: May 21, 2007 06:55 PM"

Can Articles of Impeachment be voted without sufficent votes? No, they cannot. Stop bashing the Democrats because they Republicans are not yet willing to save their own asses by supporting impeachment.

SC = fear. As in, When the fear of losing -re-election is sufficient, the Republicans will be for impeachment. Until then, there aren't sufficient votes.

Will someone PLEASE make the dem's go to leadership camp and learn how to take the offensive???!!!
What inbred, swamp dwelling political consultant is cracking the whip around there?
I am more disgusted on a daily basis.

If they were cattle, I wouldn't let them breed.

The Bushcrap (I cannot call it Bushco. That is like saying it is a successful enterprise like Ronco or something simular)administration is doing what it is doing only because they think that the SCOTUS has their back. Let us hope that there are still 5 supreme court justices that believe in the constitution and equal justice under the law.

We're now seeing the inevitable result of Pelosi's decision to "take impeachment off the table." What does the White House have to fear at this point? They have 20 months to run out the clock, stonewall, lie, obfuscate, and pretend that this is all political theater.

When you're dealing with evil people, you can't play according to the rules of polite society. It's long since past the time when Democrats should fight fire with fire.

Remember -- the wheels of justice turn slowly. The Democratic congress need all the i's dotted and the t's crossed .

Bush and company have already put their asses in the sling. Reid and Pelosi just need to build the framework for impeachment. Me thinks that is already in a countdown. Gonzo was an idiot and Congress knows it. The White House knows it too. It's coming down as we speak.

After Ms. Goodling vents this week, I would like to think, the hand will be caught in the cook jar, Bush and Cheney will be history along with all the Bushies.

It's quite possible that this battle is being played for control of congress. The republicans in the senate are defending more seats in 2008 than the democrats, and the ones in the House are looking at ongoing investigations and a firm hold on Bush's downward coattails. If the republicans become (even more) known as the party of keeping brazen, incompetent liars in office and our young men and women getting killed for no good reason in Iraq, even the folks in the safe seats are going to start getting worried. If the congressional republicans and the apparatchiks with whom the GOP has stacked the courts can't get Cheney and Bush under control, the 2008 results could leave lots of people wishing they'd shortened some statutes of limitations.

remember the immortal words of deep throat during watergate - 'follow the money'. that's what it's all about in the final analysis, and when they feel enough pinch they'll cut george and big dick loose.

ummm....let's see. subpoena them...they don't show up. Stick them in jail? No...they control justice dept. and Bush can just write some "signing" clause exempting WH and Rove from testifying. Bush and those clowns are the ultimate at 'the dog ate the homework' no accountability people I've seen yet.

Sub-poena means "under penalty."
If there are no penalties for the administration not
responding to the subpoena, then it
can't really be called a "subpoena."
Right?

GO VOTE!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/

Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment?

(1)Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.

(2)No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors."

(3)No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.

(4)I don't know.

The Bush administration is the greatest danger to
to the American way of life in the world today. They are responsible for the deaths of thousands of American troops, scores of thousands of Iraq civilians, and tens of thousands of American military injuries. Bush and his ilk have subverted the constitution as they lined the pockets of their oil, gas, and military-industrial complex buddies and sponsers. Bush and the VP MUST be impeached, or we should throw every democrate that currently sits in Washington and allows these human creeps to continue to screw each and every American.

Democrats need to grow a spine and subpoena ever last one of these criminals; deauthorize the illegal war; cut off funds; and chimpeach the scumbags.

All we are saying - is give impeachment a chance.

All we are saying - is give impeachment a chance.

to eyeball kid: No, they are afraid they don't have the votes to impeach and convict at this point because there are only 49 Demos in the Senate and they need 67 votes to convict. In order to get Repugs to vote for conviction it must be made clear to them that they will not be reelected unless they actually show some loyalty to their country rather than the Bush Abomination. they will only do that if it is in their own interests. This is where you (and all of us) come in. WRITE to your congresspeople and DEMAND impeachment. Not just a few of us, but all of us. Tell your friends, your family. Make your voice heard. The only way to get through to Repugs is to threaten their place in Congress. The only way.

SC: please. Please please please do this.

You can wonder all you want as to why Congress is so cowardly. I suspect that it's well known, explicitly and implicitly, in the halls of Congress that if the War Machine is threatened by impeachment it will react with a false flag terrorist attack on the citizens of the US, bringing down the US Constitution and establishing martial law, all in the name of homeland security.

Where are the troops he will need?

Does he really think the good ole boys, the red necks, the N-words, (or should this be N-word people, PC'ness is a bitch), the drug dealers and other low life citizens, and the members of the NRA will give up their GUNS?

Another irony!

Knowing who the players are tells you how the game will be played. If you look carefully, you'll find that Leahy and Conyers and Waxman are experienced prosecutors, liberals who see the risks to our way of life much better than we do, and will not let it stand. They know how much time's left in the game, and since the other team thinks that running out the clock is winning, they'll let them continue to make mistakes. When they strike, everything will be in place, and the outcome will be what the overwhelming majority of Americans want it to be.

The game is too important to risk the outcome in order to satisfy the zealots and the political junkies. When Leahy gets finished explaining the Articles of Impeachment that Conyers has sent over to the entire Senate sitting as a jury, even your Grandmother will know who is guilty.

My bet is that by Christmas at the latest the folks at TPM will be praising the names of Leahy and Conyers and Waxman, and admitting that they really knew all along that these true patriots did understand what they were doing right from the beginning.

See, this isn't a knife fight, it's the surgical removal of a political cancer.

"We're now seeing the inevitable result of Pelosi's decision to "take impeachment off the table." What does the White House have to fear at this point? They have 20 months to run out the clock, stonewall, lie, obfuscate, and pretend that this is all political theater.

"When you're dealing with evil people, you can't play according to the rules of polite society. It's long since past the time when Democrats should fight fire with fire.

"Posted by: robert lockwood mills
Date: May 21, 2007 08:22 PM"

You want people to wake up? Start with yourself --

Third in line for the presidency is the Speaker of the House. The Speaker of the House is Pelosi. Is it over your head that the LAST person to call for impeachment is the person who would most gain by it?

Impeachment, to be legitimate must also be _seen_ to be legitimate. What you want is accusations of partisnship.

Is wanting that smart? No.

And yet again: While there are insufficient votes to impeach, it is not possible to impeach. As happened with Nixon, Congress must act in accordance with the rule of law; due process. That takes time. And by so doing they _publicly_ build the case, and it ultimately forces Republicans to want to escape the heat by crossing the aisle and supporting impeachment.

"to eyeball kid: No, they are afraid they don't have the votes to impeach and convict at this point because there are only 49 Demos in the Senate and they need 67 votes to convict. In order to get Repugs to vote for conviction it must be made clear to them that they will not be reelected unless they actually show some loyalty to their country rather than the Bush Abomination. they will only do that if it is in their own interests. This is where you (and all of us) come in. WRITE to your congresspeople and DEMAND impeachment. Not just a few of us, but all of us. Tell your friends, your family. Make your voice heard. The only way to get through to Repugs is to threaten their place in Congress. The only way.

"SC: please. Please please please do this.

"Posted by: PJ White
Date: May 21, 2007 11:38 PM"

_B-I-N-G-O!_

Another option would be to subpoena HARRIET MIERS. Doubtful that 'executive privilege' would last very long as an excuse. If the Committees cannot successfully subpoena Karl Rove, at least at first and before sending the Capitol Police to the WH, get Ms. Miers in there. Why would she defend Bush now that she is out of the bubble? And she is a real lawyer let's not forget.

Issuing the subpoenas is not simply a matter of throwing legal weight. It's a political process. You issue the subpoena when the time is right politically, so you can maximize you're leverage.

Assuming Monical Goodling implicates the White House -- or at least kicks the can in their direction -- it would be better to issue the subpoenas after her testimony, when the political pressure is greatest.

Strike when your opponent is weakest.

Patience is a virture.

I doubt very much that Goodling will cooperate, but her testimony or lack of it, will just add fuel to the fire. The
Dems need to slam these creeps after that.

What will it take for Republicans to see past the "scandals MADE UP by the Democrats" meme?

they've already said they'd fight subpoenas in court... that could be drawn out until they reach the Supreme Court... and we know how they'll rule...

This administration has elevated stonewalling to an artform...makes the Nixon crowd look like a bunch of pusskets....the open question is whether the Dems will ever grow a pair and do their job...past performance is not encouraging.

IMPEACHMENT IS NOT ABOUT JUSTICE.

MORE IMPORTANT IS THAT THE IGNORANT MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LEARN THE SORDID DETAILS OF THE BUSHIES. THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS WILL DO THAT, ...regardless of vote count or the politicization of the Supreme Court.

AN INFORMED REPUBLIC IS OUR ONLY HOPE OF REGAINING A NATION OF "We, the People."

It's a given that Turd Blossom will not comply. It's also a given that The Chimp will claim executive privilege. It's a given that even if Turd Blossom does appear (Oh Great One) he'll lie through his piggy little teeth. It's also a given that the Democrats (my birth party) are pussing out on almost everything and will cave into it all. It makes me so mad I could spit.

What's all this talk about not enough votes to impeach? We have a majority in the House. That's all we need.

And the benefits of impeachment are huge -- even if we fail to convict but just get all the incredibly damaging facts out on the table for America, the world, and posterity to see.

Another benefit of impeachment will be to help restore our good name around the world by proving that we're not just talk, we really do have popular control over our leaders and we have enough character not to allow them to commit crimes and lie to the whole world and slaughter people in other countries that haven't attacked us based on those lies.

What's more impeachment will have a deterrent effect on future, would-be, Republican caesars.

Consider:

1) the fact that Bush and Cheney have committed real, serious crimes

2) the fact that impeachment would change the agenda to Bush and Cheney's worst crimes

3) the fact that the act of impeachment would massively increase Democratic powers of discovery, making it much harder for Bush to refuse to hand over documents and for members of the Administration to refuse to testify

4) the fact that impeachment would negate many of Bush's current advantages in the media.

5) the fact that Bush is incredibly unpopular

6) the substantial preexisting sentiment in the public that supports impeachment

Given the above, the Democrats would have a real shot at successfully bringing that scumbag George Bush to justice. Maybe as high as 50-50. Even at 2:1 odds, the payoff is so high -- even for an impeachment that ultimately fails to convict but that gets the facts on the table for all of America to see -- that it is well worth a shot.

It's also smart politics. The Democrats' biggest problems are their obvious timidity and the fact that they are working against a very successfully branded Republican party/conservative movement. We need to destroy the Republican brand. This is no time for failed triangulation strategies.

Impeachment would change the media dynamic in a favorable way. The media whores are essentially driven by their perceived need to focus on official government sources. Because the Democrats have been both out of power and simply weak, those official sources have all been Republicans. In the context of impeachment, we would have a whole slate of Democratic officials driving the news. What's more, there would be virtually unlimited coverage negating Bush's prime media advantage, i.e. control over the agenda and the ability to manipulate coverage through use of the bully pulpit.

And last, but NOT least, its the RIGHT thing to do. When people commit crimes, they should be brought to justice. Bush has done more to subvert our Constitution than any president in history. He has committed the grave and unconstitutional sin of torture. He is responsible for the deaths of probably hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and 3000+ Americans.

For once, let's not outsmart ourselves and just make the obvious move.

The Bush/Cheney Administration must hang for Treason. Begin with Rove, Cheney, Bush and then hang them for Treason. The gig is up. They must be taken down and out of power by any means necessary. This is not about partisan politics, the corruption is so deep, widespread and comes directly from the White House. In the words of Jon Stewart, what do they have to do before we act..sodomize the Declaration of Independence? No more games. There must be an end game to remove them from power for TREASON.

Remember that the act of impeaching Bush/Cheney has the potential to push this country to critical mass. There is so much more at stake than just convicting Bush/Cheney for all their crimes. The powers that are responsible for the actions of Bush/Cheney are deeply worried that, they themselves, their organizations, finances, beliefs, and their grasp on power, are all facing complete disaster. They are afraid, very afraid...and that makes them extremely dangerous. They may direct that a national emergency happen, so that Bush/Cheney can have absolute control of everything. It would be a desperate act, but desperate men will do desperate acts. When congress confronts Bush/Cheney they have to bring the people of the country along with them, it's the only protection that either have against such an evil regime.

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