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Rep Pushes Gonzales on McKay Firing
Rep. Mel Watt (D-NC) gets the medal for the best line of questioning of the day so far, pressing Gonzales on the reason for John McKay's firing.
Gonzales has previously pointed to McKay's touting of an information sharing system (a system that former Deputy Attorney General James Comey praised effusively during his hearing last week) and his choice to speak to the press about his office's lack of resources to explain McKay's firing. But as Rep. Watt pointed out, McKay appeared on the firing list far before either of those things became issues.
When Watt pressed Gonzales on whether McKay had been removed because he'd failed to indict Democrats on voter fraud charges. Gonzales said no, but seemed to leave the door open for that possibility:
Yes, I agree that if in fact there was pressure put on McKay to investigate a case, which didn’t warrant an investigation [that would be improper]. But obviously there may be some circumstances where investigation may have been warranted. We’d have to look at the circumstances of the particular case.
He added that there had been "a great deal of concern with his efforts with respect to voter fraud," that he had received letters "from a number of groups and outside parties."
McKay has said that he didn't pursue criminal charges in the probe arising from the 2004 Washington gubernatorial election because there was "no evidence."













Okay, so Alberto just admitted that McKay may have been put on the list for improper reasons. Obviously, the reasons A.G. quoted in his Senate Judiciary appearance are clearly inoperable because of the March 2005 list with McKay on it.
Bottom line then: A.G. lied to the Senate Judiciary committee when he gave those reasons for McKay's dismissal. According to his own testimony, he had no idea what the underlying reasons actually were.
Either he did know the reasons - and he's lying now - or he didn't know the reasons - and he was lying then.
Lying to Congress is a felony (probably several).
Enough with the hearings - time to impeach.
May 10, 2007 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
From what I can tell, it was ALL about the phony voter fraud case that led to McKay's firing. The WA State GOP went ballistic, demanding from Rove and Gonzo that McKay be fired for not pursuing it. The GOPers were contacting Gonzo directly, and Rove through his west coast representative, Glynda Becker. Don't forget, when McKay interviewed with Miers and Kelley in 2006 for the open judgeship, the first question he was asked was why he "mishandled" the 2004 governor's election.
By the way, that was very satisfying, just now seeing Adam Schiff demolish Gonzo's crediblility on the Iglesias firing.
May 10, 2007 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there is one thing I observed today it is, this guy should not be the AG. He just seems so unprofessional, and vague. If he could be AG, then almost anybody could. He couldn't even remember when Monica Goodling started working with the department, or for that matter what she does. This guy should be impeached without a doubt, because once again, we see he is clearly dumb, or just playing dumb to avoid telling the truth, and mislead congress.
May 10, 2007 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Schiff is my new hero.
May 10, 2007 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, I wonder who would be the best person to look at "the circumstances of the particular case" of voter fraud and decide if investigation was warranted, as Mr. Gonzales suggests? Maybe we should have an pre-existing set of experienced prosecutors, with history and familiarity in the local district, who could look into such allegations and see what's what?
Nah, much better to leave the job to some young apparatchiks in DC who've never prosecuted a case in their lives, who don't know the local conditions, and who have a clear interest in pleasing the powerful political people in the White House who respond primarily to phone calls from partisans and contributors. They'd be MUCH better suited to determine if circumstances warranted an investigation. (Political circumstances, that is.)
May 10, 2007 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has anyone asked Gonzalez to complete the basic task of providing Congress with a specific explanation for the decision to fire each of the eight (now nine) U.S. Attorneys? It seems like he just makes stuff up as he goes along and changes his story to explain away whatever difficult question he's facing at that moment.
If there were clear grounds for their terminations, then Gonzalez and DoJ should be able to give a fairly detailed explanation for each. Keep to no more than one page or one paragraph. This would then force him and the administration to have to stand by those explanation.
May 10, 2007 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
kiki - that is an excellent idea. One page explanation on each fired USA - on the record.
May 10, 2007 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reading Murray Waas' column in the National Journal, Dean Boyd says the WH gave the Congress 6000 documents. What the hell is the difference if they gave 10,000 documents if they retained/hid 10 that would implicate people. Himself included? They are playing a shell game and to use their expression, "gumming" Congress to death until they get tired and give up. Conyers may, Waxman, no way.
May 10, 2007 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
As was pointed out by one of the Republican Reps today, AG AG is wasting a lot of time preparing for his testimony. Why would he be spending a lot of time preparing for his testimony if he has nothing new to add to his previous testimony? That's what is really annoying...to hear about all the time the AG is wasting preparing to give the same testimony over and over again. Of course, what he is really prepping for are the cases where the record forces him to retract, extend, or frankly, march 180 degrees in the opposite direction as the truth dribbles out...like a slow case of Constitutional anemia.
The message to take away from the hearing is that the Dems are bending over backwards to give the Republicans some voice...to stonewall. While that is admirable for some subtle reasons that good representatives of the people won't acknowledge publically, it is still extremely frustrating and has to end soon before the crises deepen so deeply and the lack of oversite becomes so apparent that the paneling on the walls behind the podiums of the Congress appears to have more interest in maintaining the Republic than the Congress itself.
May 10, 2007 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, shoephone. It just seems like it should have been logical first step. You know, like how the first thing the cops do is to take down official statements. Out of fairness, DoJ could be allowed to amend or add to the explanations should new facts emerge, but that would be a more formal process and it would be documented.
May 10, 2007 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, kiki, if it's true that "DoJ could be allowed to amend or add to the explanations should new facts emerge," does that mean they can continue to stonewall and amend their statements every time new fact come out to contradict them?
Would it be like Karl Rove going back time and again before the grand jury so he can plug the holes and keep himself from ending up being indicted?
May 10, 2007 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The GOP went ballistic in Washington State after the Governor's election when the DEM won. But, the fact is, the Sec of State for Washington, Sam Reed is a Republican and he said there was no fraud and no evidence of wrong doing for McKay to go after. If the Republican Sec of State that is charged with overseeing the election can't find a crime and stands by the election results, what is a USA supposed to do, make somewhat up?
May 10, 2007 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any notice of how the inflamed the Republicans got by Sanchez's reference to Debra Yang's investigation of Jerry Lewis? All the knives were drawn. Any and all abuse of Gonzo today was tolerated today, but the knives were flashing at the mention of Lewis. Cannon even asked for the mention of Lewis's name to be struck from the record (Conyers blew him off).
Need a Bob Woodward-type reporter to dig into the Yang story.
May 10, 2007 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Long, my point is that there would be an official original verision of the story to which Gonzalez would be held accountable. And just like witnesses and suspects are allowed the opportunity to change or amend their story/testimony later, there is an official original statement that exists and that can be used to compare against new evidence that they later provide.
In other words, if Gonzo opted to change his story, then those changes would be documented also, along with any supporting docs required justify the changes. I'm also willing to believe that people do make honest mistakes and sometimes do overlook or forget things. Do I for a second doubt that Gonzo isn't lying through his teeth left and right? Hell no. But I also believe in a fair and open discovery process. And that's what we're essentially in right now.
Force Gonzo to put his cards on the table in a formal statement regarding each and every single fired attorney, then give him some limited opportunity to publicly make minor amendments or additions to his story, and then compare what he cooks up with the documents that exist. And if his story doesn't hold water and/or if it contradicts statements he's already told Congress under oath then use it to hang him by his nuts.
And until someone in Congress forces the little weasel to state clearly, once and for all, precisely what the justification was for firing the attorneys, then he's going to continue playing this game. Conyers or Leahy could send the letter to Gonzo by COB today and demand answers by 8 am Monday. Make the little weasel put his cards on the table. It's that freaking easy.
May 10, 2007 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If the Republican Sec of State that is charged with overseeing the election can't find a crime and stands by the election results, what is a USA supposed to do, make somewhat up?"
That is exactly what the Republicans wanted.
May 10, 2007 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Security code: muscle--as in it's time Conyers and Waxman put some more muscle into this. Can you imagine what would be happening right now if this was a Republican controlled congress and all of this contempt of court and just general contempt for democracy and the will of the people was going down? These people would be grandstanding so much and ready to throw people in jail for contempt that it's not even funny.
drmoore
May 10, 2007 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it just me or do these people not know how to stutter complete sentences. So many ah, uhs, ohs, send them all back to school.
May 10, 2007 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alberto Gonzalez is trying to pass himself off as the Absentee AG. These things were done by other people for reasons unknown to himself. It wasn't his duty to KNOW why the names showed up on the list, not his duty to investigate bogus claims or even raise the bar high enough to keep these bogus claims from becoming a reason for dismissal.
If Gone-zo says he assumes the responsibility for these decisions, then he cannot retreat to ignorance to excuse himself afterwards.
May 10, 2007 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
In his answer to Congressman Watt, Gonzales says "I assume that this committee has talked with everyone who proived input and the person who compiled this information....." but he cannot tell us or the congress or the senate WHO provided the information!!!!! Everyone that the senate and the congress has spoken with has said they did not put that list together, they were not aware of a list being made, so how can he "assume" that the congressional committee has spoken to everyone who provided input?????
May 10, 2007 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Paul, I agree that Watt was good. But only second best. I still think the medal for the best line of questioning has to go to Wexler for getting AGAG to claim that no individual placed any name on the list. According to Gonzo, it was some seance guiding a ghost hand that wrote the list. Although, I think that was a coverup. It was really a series of secret meetings between interns and the cleaning crew that actually put names to paper.
May 10, 2007 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, El Borba: the Ouija Board Method of Management.
"It is the consensus of the Spirit World that you shall resign your posts as US Attorneys in furtherance of Karl Rove's dream of a permanent Republican majority. Oh yeah, and: Booooooooooo!"
It gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.
May 10, 2007 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If the Republican Sec of State that is charged with overseeing the election can't find a crime and stands by the election results, what is a USA supposed to do, make somewhat up?"
It wasn't only Sam Reed who thought there was no merit to the fraud allegations. We had a court trial, for God's sake, and a REPUBLICAN JUDGE in a REPUBLICAN COUNTY dismissed the case with prejudice. The state GOP had it's day in court and they LOST. They can't get over it and it was shortly after the court decision came down that (we now discover) McKay was put on a list to be fired.
May 10, 2007 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Lying to Congress is a felony (probably several)."
Lying to Congress is at least two crimes: perjury, and obstruction of justice.
May 11, 2007 5:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
kiki,
is it possible that the Committees have not asked "the General " for the type of specificty you have described -because it might freeze other discovery on other matters related to the obstruction of justice issues ie Lam & Cunningham.
I keep thinking that the Committees already have the goods on Gonzo -and are getting really close to bigger actors ie Rove , Jerry Lewis,and maybe even Cheney ( remember that Cheney's OVP bought a bunch of overpriced furnture from one Brent Wilkes).All of this -in my opinion - is related back to the Earmarks , Bribes, and Campaign Contributions that allowed this Admininstration to have its way on many different abuses - from Iraq War Prevarications to the TIA attack on our Civil Liberties.I keep wondering what private testimony such as the former FBI San Diego Chief of Station gave to the Hill Staffers. The former Station Chief Head said publicly that the Lam firing was political. It looks to me like Gonzo is being left out there gut hooked in the Chum Line - to see what other big fish might also be coaxed to the hook set,and then bought to the gaff. ( Sorry I love to deep sea fish - I put these concluding thoughts down in terms I understand- )
May 13, 2007 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
The other post about "big fish in the chum line " was mine .I guess that I most have unwittingly removed my tag line from it .
May 13, 2007 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink