Those e-mails were serving at the pleasure of the president

The inter-web works in mysterious ways, doesn't it. That's all I have to say about that.

But in the end, it was the DOJ's fault. Back in March, Bush was on a trip to South America, Alberto was under fire, and Bush publicly said that Gonzales needed to 'deal with it himself.'

Alberto's 'dealing with it' led to a document dump including the first public appearance of a gwb43.com e-mail.

Ever since then, the White House has first combed through everything before allowing a 'document dump.'

They only have themselves to blame.

Obviously, there is a need for legislation so that these corrupt practices will be forbidden by specific law.

Additionally, legal investigations need to be conducted in order to determine if illegal activities occurred that should be prosecuted.

A group of special prosecutors needs to be established. The Repubs squeal that Congressional investigations are political. Special prosecutors, headed perhaps by Fitzgerald, would help to prevent any more partisan attacks by Repub lawbreakers and their supporters.

Bring back the special prosecutors!!

I would agree with Mr. Waxman. Now the question becomes what will Waxman and Congress do that could succeed in addressing BushCo's blatant disregard for any law that provides executive oversight.

Continuing to only cry, moan, publish fancily worded letters and hold soap opera like hearings with no real results will only make the situation worse and will continue to demonstrate the utter ineffectiveness of this Congress.

I'm betting every single one of those 200,000+ emails falls under executive priveledge. Every one of them. Sean Hannity will likely tell me so.

Perhaps a RICO indictment of the RNC is in order. Could such a successful action result in the permanent dissolution of the RNC and imprisonment of those involved in a wide-ranging criminal conspiracy?

Again, the need for special prosecutors is paramount. Special prosecutors would remove Democratic lawmakers from the partisan squeals of Repigs about "partisanship." Special prosecutors ideally are not partisan, excepting Ken Starr and his ilk of course.

While we're investigating republican shenanigans, we need take every step to make sure our ethics practices are above reproach.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/14/109/19612

Republicans want to obstruct Congress - Here is the remedy!
by MotleyPatriot [Subscribe]
Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 10:04:54 AM EST
Ladies and Gentlemen,

The Republicans, Attorney General Gonzales, the aides, the people who just "don't recall", have obstructed the hearings long enough!

I've heard "but what can we do?"... "but we are doing all we can!"... long enough!

I'm going to put this BS talking point of "congress is doing all it can" to rest right now; they aren't. The laws are clear, the procedures are vague at best, and the Democrats in Congress can be doing a lot more.

So, meet me after the fold.

Impeach them now. How much more will it take?

Given that Congress will face stiff resistance in getting DOJ off its apathetic and self-preserving ass to bring indictments on these matters, why doesn't Congress consider shutting off all DOJ funding?

Of course repubs would all scream and moan that the democrat controlled Congress is allowing drug dealers, tax cheats and others under federal indictment or about to be charged by US Attys to escape justice's consequences, the counter would be that DOJ cannot dispense any measure of meaningful justice so long as DOJ's own corruption goes unaddressed and unpunished.

Congress must remember where their real power lies and it is in the purse, not in bringing indictments.

If any good has come out of the past six and one half years, it's the unprecendented exposure of just how corrupt our government is, especially at this time, the Republican party.

The sad thing is that so many conservative Americans, either out of personal ignorance or some fear of "guilt", or their fear of "disloyality" and "putting the country down", still cannot admit that.

You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

Art II S 3: "he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed"

Those who allow this to go on without legal consequences are becoming the problem... watching every law on the books being broken and then watching Democrats enforce no punishment is sickening -- it's time to use the courts or what is left of them to see if we still have a functioning judiciary.

welcome to the hunt club division of the "vault" Yale University.

They have all kinds of special privileges

Privilege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A privilege—etymologically "private law" or law relating to a specific individual—is a special right or immunity granted by a government to a restricted ...

get my meaning?

those arent "lost" or deleted emails you better believe, ... instead they are just for those that later need to review them before postulating a new way of taking 'Risk" with what the feel is their elite devine right and futhermore their entitlement and birthright and we feel is our country and it's opportunity.

Time to ask them why we would disagree on the basics.

freedom isnt easy to come by and never was

servitude was always preferable to those who could pay for it

asking the country to pay for it's own chains ... uhhh

I'm ready to ask these questions of those who have no problem indicating they want me to pay to their extended benefit while shunning my responsibility to my own and to our society

against all enemies ... foreign and domestic

NEW DOCUMENT DUMP! at the house Jug. site

Question, why does Bud Cummins work as an consult for a fuel company? Does he or does he not work for the DOJ?

In the current dock dump 6.14.07 there is an email with him stating his position as an consultant for a fuel company but using the title for him self as USDOJ?

Can anyone explain this!

Electronic data is difficult to permenantly erase. Some would even say that a hard disk drive isn't completely formatted until you format it 15 to 20 times in a row.

Of course, the RNC may have done the next best thing: "Oops! we accidentally traveled to an active volcano and threw every RNC HDD in liquid magma. I don't recall why. Our bad, definitely."

Take a look at the attributes on page 5 of 45 of most recent document dump: Stripping out the US Atty/DoJ aspects, we're left with this: [ </o= /OU = /CN = /CN= ]

OU stands for DoJ. Google this, and you'll see more samples of the records: [ </o= /OU = /CN = /CN= DoJ ]

Compare it with this E-mail Archive:
[thelist] CN=Wendy Fite/OU=DCA/OU=AO/O=USCOURTS is out of the office.[thelist] CN=Wendy Fite/OU=DCA/OU=AO/O=USCOURTS is out of the office. Wendy_Fite@ao.uscourts.gov Wendy_Fite at ao.uscourts.gov Tue Nov 21 15:19:28 CST 2006 ...
lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20061120/186384.html

1. This tells us that the attributes can be cross indexed with common archiving systems. What methods has the DoJ and WH used to retrieve not the e-mails, but the _archive_ of the data; and where on the internet, behind which firewall, can this URL be found for this archive?

2. Has the WH/DoJ discussed the use of the attrirbutes on page 5 as it relates to the external archives kept of the communiations?

3. When the WH/DoJ says it has no e-mails, is it talking about the archives as well as they related to the attributes listed above?

4. What kind of e-mail archive lists does WH/DoJ keep, oustide e-mail systems, that are similar to this: [ lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20061120/186384.html ]; has DoJ provided to the Congress samples of these weekly archives, as they are linked with the attributes on Page5; and are there any differences bewteen [a] what GOP/WH said was available; vs. [b] what was available in the archive; vs [c] what was available at the URL

31 of 51 shows the US Attorney Net. This is an important URL [ usanet.usa.doj.gov ], because Congerss can subpoena all records to find out which IP have hit the URL to determine:

A. Which RNC-related URl/websites/computers were access this site;

B. Which DoJ-related contractors/outside counsel were hitting the site;

C. Wich e-mail was sent via RNC servers _close_ to times that personnel at DoJ/WH/EOP/Outside counsel revivewed information attached to this US Atty website.

D. Identify the IP numbers of all personnel at DoJ, EOP, WW, OVP, and outside counsel who have hit the site; and thier other activities; then compare it to what they are contract for; and compare the differences.

Like father like son [http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_1993_June_9/ai_14018367]

denise k...

Wow! That is so scary! And that artical goes back over 10 years! That should be sent to Connors, because he was on that committee even back then, and it just might jolt his memory!

Ms. Ralston stated that in 2001, Mr. Rove was asked to search his political computer in response to a request relating to an
23 See Bush Aides’ Use of GOP Email Probed, The Associated Press (Apr. 11, 2007).
24 The White House, Press Briefing by Dana Perino (Apr. 13, 2007).
25 Memorandum from Alberto Gonzales, Counsel to the President (Feb. 26, 2001) included within The White House, White House Staff Manual (Feb. 2001) (redacted copy provided to Committee on Oversight and Government Reform).
26 The White House, White House Staff Manual (Feb. 2001) (redacted copy provided to Committee on Oversight and Government Reform).
8 | INTERIM REPOR T: POSSIBLE VIOLATIONS OF PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT
investigation of Enron. She testified that the
Below is a quote from the report on email's. Also, done by H. Waxman! So, here in California they new about the engery criss and the tie it had with the white house! IMPEACHMENT!!! Page 12/13

...White House Counsel’s office would have known about these searches “because all of the documents that we collected were then turned over to the White House Counsel’s office.”27 According to Ms. Ralston, this investigation was related to the Vice President’s energy task force and contacts with Enron.28
In addition, Ms. Ralston testified that Mr. Rove searched his RNC e-mail account in response to several subpoenas from Patrick Fitzgerald during the investigation of the...

How about estimating the number of deleted emails and getting a judgment fining the WH or RNC $1k apiece? Might produce a few more. I guess we can't really hope for the GOP to be outlawed the way the communists were in Russia for a while. A boy's gotta dream...

Tell me again why impeachment is off the table?

The clearest print cannot be read through a gold coin.

Read the end of the executive summary link above (page 3). Looks like Bush-Cheney 04 campaign has refused to give the committee of Congress any information regarding who the emails were to and from and what their content might be. So, the Bush-Cheney campaign committee believes that it is above oversight by the US Congress? Hmm...wonder what those communications contain? Me too.

This apparently happened with the implicit approval of the White House Counsel's Office (under Alberto Gonzales).

Funny, he says something different publicly:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ikbenbangde

Congress can't have it both ways. They can't demand accountability and then take accountability off the table. The constitution has a clear mandate as to how to deal with this kind of an Administration to hold them accountable. When you remove that option then why should Bush and company worry about oversight? Pelosi already said congress was not going to do anything about it.
The corruption is overwhelming, it's everywhere, and it's running rampant. There has never been a time when impeachment was more called for than now.
A special prosecutor needs to be assigned and the RNC records need to be seized and their activities investigated. The corruption couldn't be more obvious.

The sad part is that Democrats will suffer more by not impeaching Bush/Cheney than Bush/Cheney will suffer from being impeached and indicted.

Pelosi will go down in history not for any of her accomplishments, but for the Speaker of the House who took impeachment off the table during the administration of the most corrupt and worst presidency in the history of our nation.

BTW...Shock and Awe has turned into the most Awful Shock...The "purge" has become the "Splurge"... and supporting the troops means protecting them from Bush.
I mention this because there were two reasons we elected a democratic majority...2 issues that trumped all others combined...1)stop Iraq-bring the troops home...and 2) end the corruption--impeach Bush/Cheney...(You see...we knew the corruption was there and rampant and we're still waiting for congress to do something, not just point at it).
So far it's 0-2.

It ought to be the rule henceforth that when these White House activities are referred to that they be called "criminal activity," or something just has inflammatory. If the White House doesn't like it, then there's a sure way to prove that what they're doing is aboveboard. Release the material.

Otherwise, what is there to hide?

Everything that we see and hear points to the creation of a dictatorship and a fascist/corporatist government.

I have never been so disappointed in our government as I am at present. The Dems, the ones who are supposed to be the good guys, I feel like they've stabbed me in the back. They just aren't fighting hard enough for the things that matter to we the people- no health care reform, no going after the oil industry, caving into Bush on Iraq, pussyfooting around when it comes to attack Bush and his cronies for their crimes.......this nation needs a major enema and it ain't happening. I don't care if they don't get those things but if they care about them, if they care about us people who gave them money and put them in power, they will make them the core issues and put the Republicans on the defensive. But going on the offensive seems completely foreign to the Democrats. Don't ask for me anymore money Harry Reid. Not until you start fighting for we the people and tell the corporate interests to take a backseat. I expected you people to fight like hell and all I see is capitulation and half hearted rhetoric. You would think being caged up, being in the minority for so long would have pissed you people off. I guess in the old boys club of Washington no one ever gets angry. So damn depressing.

Jay M: (paraphrased) "what are the criminal penalties for violating the Presidential Records Act?"

I was just asking myself that. And reading the PRA, there doesn't seem to be a section dealing with penalties, see

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode44/usc_sup_01_44_10_22.html

so I don't know the answer. Anybody else?