Nothing to see here.
We've had "mixed success" in Iraq.
What's a few more lives a day?
They're poor people dying, not the haves and have mores that really matter! [/sarcasm]

SC: fear, as in terra!!

Nothing to see here.
We've had "mixed success" in Iraq.
What's a few more lives a day?
They're poor people dying, not the haves and have mores that really matter! [/sarcasm]

SC: fear, as in terra!!

I was curious to see if david vitter is being investigated yet so i googled david vitter fbi and look what the first result was:
http://www.vitter.senate.gov/forms/Letter%20to%20Frist%20and%20McConnell%205-24-06.pdf

During the Jefferson search, he came out in favor of FBi searches of congressional offices

You know the 3 guys at my work place, that got called up, say when they were there they were scared shitless.

All of them said that they didn't know WHO THEY COULD TRUST. Constently looking over there shoulders, and "sleeping with one eye opened."

Just this report about all the supposed security from the Iraqis just all going on their breaks at the same time and all. I scares me, and I haven't been there and probably will never.

But who exactly are we a war with? It's not as if they could walk down any Iraqi street and point out who the enemy combatants are. They don't want you to know. They have no home base you can capture. What is the goal? How do you fight a supposed war, when you have to be politicly correct towards the Muslims.

They hide in Mosques, and the troops can't go after them. How do you fight that? Until the Muslims, world wide, catch up with the rest of the world thare can be no objectives met. How can there be?

How do you NOT offend a Muslim? And how/why should you give THEM total respect, when they don't respect you? That's just what I see. I'm not trying to be offensive. This is the USA, and we give these people too much underserved respect, to have to put up with their intolerance.

jak1

it is, in fact, Iraq. Their country, not ours.

Please try not to be such a dipshit.

jak1 >"...But who exactly are we a war with?...What is the goal?..."

The military is "at war" with anyone that wants to stop Bush Handlers, Inc. from controlling the oil.

The goal is to control the oil.

None of them care if you believe this or not because they will continue to do EXACTLY as they want to unless stopped.

Get it ?

"You see what power is - holding someone else's fear in your hand and showing it to them!" - Amy Tan

It sounds like the "gunmen" could have been trained by US forces. Perhaps they were part of the couple of Iraqi divisions that were trained and armed by the US, and that is why they knew tactics and how to pass themselves off as US Security forces, and why the Army is eager to pin it on Iranian operatives.

Intolerance heh funny
jak you're such an ass, how the fuck did we make these people so intolerent. Premptive strikes perhaps. Did our shock and awe not shock and awe them enough. We did everything we could to bring them democracy. No wait that was after WMDs, no wait I meant Al Queda, Al Queda, no wait I meant they'll get us here if they don't keep gettin us there, so it's good we're here and they're there. And hey gut check. No Al Queda here that was a fart not a burp Heh Heh. Hey kid what are you lookin at. Fuck off.

Same as it ever was. A bunch of us junior troops were downright alarmed our Bn Cmndr had Viet workers build observation towers in our ENGINEERING basecamp, like we cant build ob towers.
Lotsa Viet volunteers......lots of detailed maps, birds eye view, of our camp, meticulously paced off (for mortar correction) found thier way into the hands of the local Resistance.
As someone pointed out above- its IRAQ. It Thier Country.
As was Viet Nam.
Same as it ever was.

Laura,

Prayers for you and your son. I can't imagine. The sacrifices of your family and families like yours are beyond politics.

How do you NOT offend a Muslim? And how/why should you give THEM total respect, when they don't respect you? That's just what I see. I'm not trying to be offensive. This is the USA, and we give these people too much underserved respect, to have to put up with their intolerance.

Posted by: jak1
Date: July 13, 2007 1:03 PM

Get an education, bigot. You know nothing about Muslims which you didn't get from Limbough, FOX, and other sewers of pro-"Christian" racism.

Samsara

Good question.. lets at least hope he's floating in the tigris, bloated, and black.

Posted by: dee illuminati
Date: July 13, 2007 1:23 PM

Why hate the Iraqi people "we" "liberated" into the arms of Bushit's torture teams, and the objections to that and the illegal occupation of their country based upon the lie that Iraqi resistance is "al Qaeda"?

Perhaps most of what Iraqi insurgents have learned about street-level insurgent combat is gleaned simply from close observation of US soldiers using weaponry, going on raids, and protecting their own. If you see weapons or tactics being used, you'll figure them out. You can watch and learn how to kick in a door, immobilize a human being on the ground, kill quickly, cover your retreat.

It's like children who drive a car without being taught, or perhaps similar to the "watch one, assist one, do one" way of training surgeons.

The US military is training the insurgency just as much as it's training that ephemeral creation called a US-friendly Iraqi Patriot Soldier.

The Iraqis watch, listen and learn far more from the US occupiers than we'd like them to know. That's the way of all subjugated peoples. It only ends badly, ends grisly, for the subjugators, who will never know what they need to until it's too late.

Remember how simple war used to be?

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

These days, there's no way to know the good guys from the bad guys, and the ONLY real winners in a war, right now and will always be, the war profiteers.

And JM, you are quite naive to think they are learning just by observing. Think about it for a moment, what is Bush's latest "mission" statementin Iraq? That we need to TRAIN their military and police. And train them to do what?

TO KILL OUR OWN SOLDIERS.

Your post is nothing more than an attempt to obfuscate that fact.

WE ARE TRAINING THEIR SOLDIERS TO KILL OUR SOLDIERS.

That may seem like a simple conclusion to a complex issue, but can anyone argue that it is not true?

Our FUBAR military, (that means the generals still in command, and the President and his whole chain of command, it DOES NOT MEAN the troops on the ground, who are bravely and dutifully performing those stupid orders, in spite of their full knowledge of the total futility of it)positioned in a place like Iraq is nothing more than a myopic giant, swinging at fleas with a baseball bat and breaking our own bones in the process.

And now our latest mission is to teach some of our enemies how to use that baseball bat, and they will no doubt swing it at us when they get hold of it.

As for "trust the generals" what Bush REALLY means is "trust the generals I PICK, because they are more concerned about advancing their careers in the military than they are about the lives of their 'troops' (I am beginning to get quite disgusted with W's use of that term "troops" for describing a human being he doesn't want to admit he sent into harm's way). Just ignore all those other generals who actually told us the truth about this war, I already know I can't trust them to lie for me, so you shouldn't trust them either."

Short version "You should only trust the generals who tell you what Dick wants you want to hear."

Please stop refering to our military commander in Iraq as General. Follow Bush's example: David will report back to us in Sept... David says... my good friend David is on top of the situation... heckuva job David...
Will Gen P's report in September start with "Well George this is the situation on the ground."
Imagine Bush's hero 'Truman' saying 'Arthur' is not following my orders... how stupid does this whole thing have to spin out before enough is enough?