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Harriet Miers had some backup.
The Los Angeles Times points out something that we didn't stress yesterday about Miers' refusal to appear at the House Judiciary Committee hearing today even though under subpoena. And that's that Miers and the White House are relying on a new opinion by the Justice Department, dated July 10th, that argued that "the President and his immediate advisers are absolutely immune from testimonial compulsion by a Congressional committee." The opinion was described in White House counsel Fred Fielding's letter to Miers' attorney.
Update: You can read the opinion here.
The opinion, as paraphrased by Fielding, says it's not even close:
"...this constitutional immunity exists to protect the institution of the Presidency and, as the Department's opinion illustrates, this position has been shared by numerous Administrations, Republican and Democratic, for more than 60 years."
The Times of course rolls out a couple legal experts to say that the Department is, to put it mildly, overstating the case.
But there's a likely practical effect to the opinion, as the Times points out: it does more than just provide Miers and the White House some cover, it "raises questions about whether the Justice Department would prosecute senior administration officials if Congress voted to hold them in contempt for not cooperating with the investigation."
If Congress were to vote Miers in contempt of Congress, the U.S. attorney for Washington, D.C. would be charged with enforcing it -- something less likely to happen if his Department has taken such a view.
Now, there are other ways for Congress to pursue their citation of contempt if the U.S. attorney refused to enforce it, and as I reported earlier this week, it seems likely that somehow, some way, the whole mess will land in court. And if it gets there, the Department's extraordinarily expansive view of privilege will finally be put to the test.
Meanwhile, it's all made Chairman John Conyers' (D-MI) decision about whether to move for a contempt citation much easier.

Let's stop farten around and go to court
July 12, 2007 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dear God, please put Harriet Miers in jail where she belongs.
July 12, 2007 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
'Tis its own hubris that blinded this WH to the rule of law. -Kevo
July 12, 2007 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
The House should either employ inherent contempt or seek the appointment of an independent prosecutor as the DOJ is hopelessly corrupt.
July 12, 2007 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Someone in the Administration also offered an opinion that the Vice President is not a part of the Executive Branch.
That's what this crowd is about. Offering conjecture in place of fact. Saying "I believe" a whole lot and then thinking it's law.
It's not. It's not "a debate." It's not "an interesting thought." Pure and simple, it's unfounded conjecture.
They're wrong. Regardless of what letterhead this bunk appears on. Rove has been at it since the 70's.
July 12, 2007 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
put Harriet Miers in jail? Seem the 'contempt' is coming from Bush himself.
July 12, 2007 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Paul Kiel, what are your qualifications to judge the merit vel non of the privilege assertion? Just asking. The Fielding letter also says that the current DOJ opinion provides the same opinion as a Janet Reno opinion from the Clinton Administration. It might have been helpful for you to had mentioned this and let your readers know whether that was true or not. If true, it would seem to undermine your assertion that the privilege assertion is "extraordinarily expansive."
July 12, 2007 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
The answer is impeachment. Both Bush and Cheney. And I'm a moderate Dem. If we don't impeach - then we are allowing them to lay a precedent for future presidents. There needs to be a clear declaration that the all powerful executive is not what the founding fathers had in mind and is outside the bounds of even the most liberal reading of the constitution.
We may never know wheher there were any actual crimes committed because of their complete defiance of the process of law... (I mean obstruction of justice.) The extreme positions they have taken with regard to the VP office not being a part of executive branch, ordering persons not to obey subpoena's, deliberately failing to comply with oversight agencies (that they set up) amount to impeachable offenses because their conduct is beyond the bounds of the constituition ---and likely in violation of federal law on the disobeying the subpoenas.
By allowing this to continue is we enable their corruption and the destruciton of our government system.
Please, Impeach.
July 12, 2007 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
This doesn't just "raise questions" about whether the Justice Department would prosecute Miers for contempt. The fact is that the Justice Department is not going to prosecute her, or anyone else, for refusing to comply with a congressional subpoena pursuant to the direction of the President, at least where the President is raising a colorable legal claim supported by a Justice Department opinion. Even if the question should arise in a subsequent Democratic administration, it is highly unlikely that the result would change. The Justice Department might change its legal opinion, but it still isnt likely to prosecute a former executive branch official for complying with the President's instructions (at least under the circumstances here). If it did so, the President (not just this President, any President) would lose the ability to withhold any information from Congress, as his or her subordinates would be required to gamble on whether or not a future court would agree with the privilege assertion, with jail time possible if it did not.
July 12, 2007 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
This administration has an established track record of making up the rules (and the facts) as they go along. Don't like the way the game is going? Just change the rules.
July 12, 2007 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
More than ever, we need whistleblowers.
Whistleblowers, come out, come out wherever you are!
July 12, 2007 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
More than ever, we need whistle blowers.
Whistle blowers, come out, come out wherever you are!
July 12, 2007 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
ITMFsA
July 12, 2007 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
these bastards really want a night of the long knives to get rid of them eh?
July 12, 2007 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Supreme Court, back when it was more liberal, installed George Bush in the first place. So, I don't know where any hopefulness about this going to court comes from.
July 12, 2007 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is no court in the judicial branch that would put up with this for a second and the Bushies would know better than to attempt to pull off their "constitutional immunity" on a judge. A subpoena from the legislative infringes no more on any executive privileges than one from a court.
July 12, 2007 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ever notice that when things seem to be closing in on the Bush Adm., the terror threats seem to "all of a sudden increase?" Its so obvious that all of these people are protecting the wrongdoings of the Bush Adm and if Bush can't see that that is what the American Public sees, then he truly is an idiot.
Interesting timing on the press conference this morning. Got to get out in front of all the negative publicity that Bush is facing.
As Congress and the Amercian public are closing in on the lies of the White House, how long before another attack? I know there are those out there (in the Bush Adm) that could pull the scab off on all of the wrongdoings of the Pres, VP, Karl Rove and countless others, but won't. When we get attcked again, you'll be partly responsible for not doing something about it in the first place.
July 12, 2007 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Harriet Miers should be tossed in jail for her staggering arrogance in believing Bush was right in selecting her for that Supreme Court nomination a few years ago. When she knew that she wasn't the best qualified candidate for that job. But as she adores and idolizes Bush she couldn't say no, and also her huge ego wouldn't let her say no to such a premier position. Arrogant witch.
July 12, 2007 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ever notice that when things seem to be closing in on the Bush Adm., the terror threats seem to "all of a sudden increase?" Its so obvious that all of these people are protecting the wrongdoings of the Bush Adm and if Bush can't see that that is what the American Public sees, then he truly is an idiot.
Interesting timing on the press conference this morning. Got to get out in front of all the negative publicity that Bush is facing.
As Congress and the Amercian public are closing in on the lies of the White House, how long before another attack? I know there are those out there (in the Bush Adm) that could pull the scab off on all of the wrongdoings of the Pres, VP, Karl Rove and countless others, but won't. When we get attcked again, you'll be partly responsible for not doing something about it in the first place.
July 12, 2007 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow.
I don't even know how to respond on this one. I never would have imagined that the Justice Department would stoop so low as to blatantly cover for the Administration in this manner. They are completely without shame here. An opinion issued on the 10th? Reprehensible.
I hope now that it goes to court. I hope that some judge declares this to be the bunk that it is. I hope that Congress ignores this wrangling and slaps her for contempt anyway. I almost hope that the Dems push the contempt charge through the Justice Department route, just to see the Department refuse to prosecute her. That day might be a sad day for Justice in our nation, but I can't help but believe it would be the final nail in the coffin for any hopes of a Republican winning the presidency in 08.
At some point this has got to end. A government this corrupt just can't keep on indefinitely.
July 12, 2007 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Democrats have been playing footsy with these criminals long enough. Cut off funding now for the non-justice department and the war, along with Darth Vader's office. Just cut off the money and these bozos may, just maybe, start singing a different tune. I'd rather have no justice department than a taxpayer funded wing of the RNC.
July 12, 2007 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Manchurian Candidate has really lost his mind. The President simply cannot be questioned under any circumstances and neither can any of his immediate advisors? What country is this anyway?
July 12, 2007 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Scott Horton at No Comment points out that failure to comply with a valid Congressional subpoena is a felony under 2 USC sec. 192, and advising someone not to comply is a separate felony under 18 USC sec. 1505.
Congress should demand prosecution of both Miers and Fielding, or use its inherent contempt powers. Ratchet this up, or this president's monarchical powers become routine for the next.
Anyone who is a member of Mr. Fielding's state bar should report him for felonious conduct. Yet another Bush lawyer who should be disbarred for too willingly doing his client's bidness.
July 12, 2007 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
The WH will do nothing that might incriminate themselves. Why members of congress expect any type of cooperation is amazing. The DoJ serves at the pleasure of the President. In fact they are joined at the hip. The Legislative branch stands alone against both the Executive branch and the Judicial branch. Bush's expects impeachment and the constitution demands it. But just so you know how joined together the Exec. and DoJ are. The last USA appointed through that now revoked provision of the patriot act by Gonzales(after claiming he wouldn't do that) and while the amendment to remove that provision from the patriot act sat on the president's desk waiting to be signed, was the USA for the District of Columbia, right? Is the last USA appointed without Senate approval, picked by Gonzales, the one that would be charged with enforcing the subpoenas from congress?
Naw...I know what you're thinking...it's just a coincidence. Still Pelosi and Conyers think impeachment is just "a waste of time"
July 12, 2007 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
The citation in question:
Executive privilege with respect to clemency decision, 23 OP. OLC 1, 4 1999
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/falnpotus.htm
July 12, 2007 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just a thought, but it isn't just the Miers debacle that this affects. Is there any way that this could have bearing on the Taylor testimony, since it was issued eleventh-hour before she testified?
From the excerpt posted here, the DoJ seems to be claiming that they wouldn't pursue any attempts from Congress to compel her to override the Bushies' gag order about the attorney general firing conversations.
July 12, 2007 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Miers may like prison time, as it is will be her best chance of getting laid in years.
July 12, 2007 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
In the name of overall justice and efficiency, just put one against the wall and things will clear up pretty quick.
It is a War on Executive Terrorism.
We have to expect a certain amount of collateral damage.
July 12, 2007 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
If DOJ refuses to act, doesn't the House Seargent-at-Arms have the right to arrest and jail someone for contempt of Congress? People have said there's no jail in the capital building but that could be remedied in a matter of hours.
July 12, 2007 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Everything the WH is doing is coming back to Yoo and his post 9/11 memo that the unitary President in times of National Security can do anything and not be bound by Congress or the Courts. They will initially use any scrap of tactic at their disposal but the dye is cast. Cheney has been at this since Oliver North and his minority opinion regarding his testimony and probably back to Nixon and Ford.
The situation is simple although arduous and tasking. The Congress must make the unmitigated case that the WH is rogue and acting and working outside the Constitution. Eventually that is what Treason is, now the Congress then needs to impeach the WH and all its minions on the charge that describes a RICO Treason....meaning the systemic and conspiratorial enterprise to overthrow the Constitution.
It will engage political opponents but once the behavior is fully exposed it will isolate them as the Confederacy was isolated. Continue the process, I suspect incrementally Leahy will come back and seek a contempt citation against Taylor as Conyers moves on Miers. The failure to answer substantive questions of whether the President had meetings or not, not the content of the meetings is contempt.
The answers regarding email and the oath are quite revealing. Ultimately we will see how the court looks at.
Politically I feel that the Senate should hold up all appointees from here on in.
July 12, 2007 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's start by impeaching Gonzo. A return to a functioning Justice Department would be a good place to begin and might get more career members of the DOJ to be willing to take risks to do the right thing and blow the whistle.
July 12, 2007 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
In the name of overall justice and efficiency, just put one against the wall and things will clear up pretty quick.
It is a War on Executive Terrorism.
We have to expect a certain amount of collateral damage.
July 12, 2007 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hate to be gauche, but isn't this EXACTLY the reason the founding fathers gave Congress the power to impeach and convict???
Get it straight, Bush and Cheney, through repeated refusals to comply with Congressional subpoenas, their blatant effort to obstruct justice by commutating of Scooter Libby's sentence, their repeated use of signing statements to defy the will of Congress, their blatant corruption of the DoJ have made it excruciatingly clear that they intend to do whatever they want, Congress, the law, the courts and the costitution be damned.
The ONLY recourse left is impeachment. It may be a longshot, but even if it fails, at least American democracy will have died with a bang rather than a whimper. The question facing Democrats now is whether we are truly DEMOCRATS, or merely a castrated faction providing cover for an American oligarchy.
July 12, 2007 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Again, this is just par for the course with this administration. It is utterly outrageous, but no longer surprising that they'd try this.
What really gets my dander up is the Democratic Congressional response. What is it going to take to make these people take on the Executive Branch and all their overreaching?
Security code: bent, as in the Congress is currently bent over for the White House
July 12, 2007 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
sorry, but the end result will be a 5-4 ruling from the SCOTUS in favor of the "unitary executive"-likely to come after the nov 2008 elections, which will most likely be stolen by the republicans anyway.
July 12, 2007 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are two species of contempt: civil and criminal. Civil is "coercive"; a recalcitrant witness can be incarcerated civilly until s/he agrees to cooperate (a la Judith Miller et al). The witness is said to "hold the keys to the jail cell." Criminal contempt, in contrast, is punitive: it is "a crime in the ordinary sense" and must be initiated by a duly empowered prosecutor (such as a US Attorney).
July 12, 2007 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you kidding me?!?!?!?
They write an opinion on Tuesday to get out of testifying on Thursday!?!?!?!?
These people have some major cajones!
July 12, 2007 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you kidding me?!?!?!?
They write an opinion on Tuesday to get out of testifying on Thursday!?!?!?!?
These people have some major cajones!
July 12, 2007 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
SCOTUS - It'll be in the hands of Scalia and Kennedy.
My concern about the contempt of Congress making it's way through the Justice Dept and the courts, is it will move up to SCOTUS quicker than goose shit. There we have two new characters on the Court that may rule to institutionalize the unitary executive theory.
Justice Alito practically invented signing statements in its current usage as a way of boosting the power of the Presidency. Chief-Justice Roberts went down to Florida to beat in the doors of the counting stations to force Bush's victory without a proper recount. Would either of these two bozos (and liars*) side with Congress and Constitution?
No. It will have to be Scalia and Kennedy that take a stand and prevent the hard coding of the monarchy that is looming over all of this.
*Liars: Swore in confirmation hearings that they would uphold prior rulings by the Court.
July 12, 2007 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Paul Kiel, what are your qualifications to judge the merit vel non of the privilege assertion? Just asking. The Fielding letter also says that the current DOJ opinion provides the same opinion as a Janet Reno opinion from the Clinton Administration."
And the courts have consistently held that the Privilege is not absolute, as example, in the face of Congressional investigation of possible crimes.
It only takes one exception to demolish the non-existent "absolute" -- as has already been explained to you, "Jake".
And Clinton's claims of the Privilege resulted in further narrowing of its scope, in addition to which the courts held that his invocation of attorney-client privilege was trumped by the fact that the lawyer was paid by the taxpayer.
"It might have been helpful for you to had mentioned this and let your readers know whether that was true or not. If true, it would seem to undermine your assertion that the privilege assertion is "extraordinarily expansive.""
It is absurdly expansive when it is extended to incorporate, as example, the unelected non-gov't Republican National Committee.
Better you seriously listen to Bushit project onto the "enemy" the fact that his gang is about imposing a "dark vision" on the world instead of defending the efforts to destroy your country. Based on the evidence, Nixon was a criminal. By comparison with Bushit -- who, based upon the extensive evidence already at hand, is a criminal -- Nixon shoplifted candy from the corner mom and pop store.
Posted by: Anon
Date: July 12, 2007 9:49 AM
It is dishonest to post under multiple identities in effort to make it appear there is support for your anti-American lies, "Jake" and "Jake D.," etc.
July 12, 2007 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
10:50 am E. Time and we are watching the Repubs
on the Comm. lay out the plan to take the issue to the Supreme Court.
Wonder if the Dems will take the bait?
Obviously the plan is to really run out the clock waiting on the Supremes to decide if they will even rule. assuming the case wends its way up to the Supremes in my lifetime.
Repubs are very hostile intone and Cannon of Utah is especially rudely aggressive. It is clear Repubs consider this hearing the showdown, erect -the-barricades moment.
July 12, 2007 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you kidding me?!?!?!?
They write an opinion on Tuesday to get out of testifying on Thursday!?!?!?!?
These people have some major cajones!
July 12, 2007 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is time for the House to excersise it's Inherent Contempt power and direct the House Sergeant at Arms to arrest her and bring her before the bar of the House for a contempt trial.
July 12, 2007 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fielding's letter says "from testimonial compulsion by a Congressional committee."
It does not say anything about compulsion to appear before a full House or Senate or both. Under oath with a transcript, of course.
July 12, 2007 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is just a thought: Why are members of the government allowed to refuse to testify or plead the 5th when being asked by Congress to account for their actions in the course of performing their jobs? I would never refuse to tell my boss about something to do with my job.
I do not think they should be allowed this. It seems the 5th amendment was put in place to allow individuals protection from self incrimination arising from a crime they may or may not have committed as private citizens. To me, when you go to work for our government, especially in the DOJ, policy making departments, etc, you are NO LONGER just a private citizen - you work for the PEOPLE and that carries a much different responsibility than a person who is only answerable to himself, family, etc. If these folks were asked to testify about themselves in relation to a murder or robbery, that's one thing, but where the integrity of the government, laws and the will of the PEOPLE are concerned, that is a wholly different story and should be treated as such.
July 12, 2007 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously the next president should declare Roberts and Alito enemy combatants. Executive privilege will prevent any questions being asked about the act.
(code, appropriately enough: "judge")
July 12, 2007 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
"This doesn't just "raise questions" about whether the Justice Department would prosecute Miers for contempt. The fact is that the Justice Department is not going to prosecute her, or anyone else, for refusing to comply with a congressional subpoena pursuant to the direction of the President, at least where the President is raising a colorable legal claim supported by a Justice Department opinion. Even if the question should arise in a subsequent Democratic administration, it is highly unlikely that the result would change. The Justice Department might change its legal opinion, but it still isnt likely to prosecute a former executive branch official for complying with the President's instructions (at least under the circumstances here). If it did so, the President (not just this President, any President) would lose the ability to withhold any information from Congress, as his or her subordinates would be required to gamble on whether or not a future court would agree with the privilege assertion, with jail time possible if it did not."
Your defense of Bushit is ahistorical and specious.
Clinton's Privilege claims were denied him. Even his claim of attorney-client privilege was denied. It did not destroy the Privilege, any more than the DOJ, which is to be independent -- representing the legal interests of We the people, not instead acting as Bushit's personal legal team against Congress/We the people -- prosecuting Executive branch officals, even including members of Bushit's inner cult, would destroy it.
Any more than impeachment would destroy the Privilege.
Posted by: MLS
I've been saying for years the impeachment is inevitable. Turley says essentially the same. And that's clearly the Bushit criminal enterprise's position: "I dare you to." The miscalculation is that impeachment is initated by Congress, when in fact it is initiated by We the people, and "forced upon" Congress.
And if impeached, what will Bushit do? Invoke martial law, then round up and execute the political opposition?
Date: July 12, 2007 10:00 AM
Hitler took power "legally" based upon a few "little" changes in existing German law which gave his doing so the appearance of legality. The war crime of torture cannot be made legal, not even with "signing statment" -- yet Bushit wants you to believe it can be, the Constitution -- with its impeachment clause -- notwithstanding.
July 12, 2007 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wouldn't it become well past time to start thinking about impeachment for the attorney general if he refuses to have his department enforce charges of contempt of congress?
July 12, 2007 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is no court in the judicial branch that would put up with this for a second and the Bushies would know better than to attempt to pull off their "constitutional immunity" on a judge. A subpoena from the legislative infringes no more on any executive privileges than one from a court.
Posted by: Ad Absurdum
Date: July 12, 2007 10:18 AM
Exactly. The Bushit gang efforts to aggrandize the Executive beyond the law is hogwash -- a blatantly claim of exemption from the rule of law definitely refuted by by the Impeachment Clause.
The fools who falsely see the president -- but only when a Republican -- as equivalent to a king with no constraints on him are not only the enemeies of their country, but enemies of themselves: there is no way their blind loyalty would exempt them from the full weight of the tyranny Bushit is asserting. The Privilege is not "Divine Right" -- so demonstrates the Impeachment Clause.
July 12, 2007 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Book 'em Dano!
July 12, 2007 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is the first post I've submitted on this thread -- "Anon" above makes a great point, but that was not me -- the reason I added the "D" was to avoid any confusion with someone else posting as "Jake" as well. Have a nice thread.
July 12, 2007 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
My reading on the Reno paper is this: 16 Clinton advisers were subpoenaed to appear before a Congressional committee investigating Clinton’s Presidential commutations.
The first part of the opinion was that Congress has no oversight of clemency decisions by the President. "Since Congress may only investigate into those areas in which it may potentially legislate or appropriate, it cannot inquire into matters which are within the exclusive province of one of the other branches of the Government." Therefore it had no compelling reason to “justify a demand for information protected by executive privilege.”
The second part of the opinion states the Counsel to the President, is along with the President, immune to compelled congressional testimony in all respects: “Subjecting a senior presidential adviser to the congressional subpoena power would be akin to requiring the President himself to appear before Congress on matters relating to the performance of his constitutionally assigned executive functions…”
So there you have it. The W and the Chicken Lady win this one.
July 12, 2007 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I forgot to add, that Reno opined in the second part that Counsel need not even appear before the committee.
July 12, 2007 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
"The WH will do nothing that might incriminate themselves."
They already have, ass. Torture is a war crime defined and prohibited by treaties to which the US is signatory. Those treaties are part of the law of the land. The law of the land is the Constituion. The Constitution cannot be changed by Congress, the Executive, or even both with the approval of the Judiciary. And cannot be changed by "signing statement".
And we have the memoranda authorizing torture signed by Bushit himself.
"Why members of congress expect any type of cooperation is amazing."
It's constituionally require, ass.
"The DoJ serves at the pleasure of the President."
The DOJ is not the personal law firm of the president; it is a Constitutional entity inttended to represent the legal intersts of We the people, not of the president.
By contrast, wer it true that the DOJ "served at the pleasure of the president," then he could fire everyone in it and shut it down. It does not, and he cannot.
"In fact they are joined at the hip."
The DOJ is not, under law, "joined at the hip" with the president -- see above.
"The Legislative branch stands alone against both the Executive branch and the Judicial branch."
Under the Constitution the three branches are co-equal. Each is a check against each/both of the others. The SC can overturn Congress enactments -- which is a form of "judicial activism". Congress can overturn the SC.
"Bush's expects impeachment and the constitution demands it."
Exactly.
"But just so you know how joined together the Exec. and DoJ are."
We all know how corrupted, how politicized the DOJ has been made under Busht. We also know there are non-partisan career professionals still in the bowels of the DOJ. There are any number of crises which can be precipitated, such as mass strike or resignation.
"The last USA appointed through that now revoked provision of the patriot act by Gonzales(after claiming he wouldn't do that) and while the amendment to remove that provision from the patriot act sat on the president's desk waiting to be signed, was the USA for the District of Columbia, right?"
I'm not certain on that claim.
"Is the last USA appointed without Senate approval, picked by Gonzales, the one that would be charged with enforcing the subpoenas from congress?"
Leahy and Durbin have already launched a shot across the bow of Kavanaugh, on that court, as a broader warning to the judges there.
". . . . Pelosi and Conyers think impeachment is just "a waste of time"."
Not only did neither of them saya any such thing, it isn't true. The least you could do is cease misstating the facts as false excuse to bash Democrats.
On the day the Detroit City Council unanimously adopted an impeachment resolution -- introduced by Councilwoman Conyers -- Conyers publicly encouraged the impeachment movement.
In addition to which, Conyers has been compiling evidence of imeachable offenses during the last six-plus years, as Waxman for as long has been compiling evidence of crimes by the Bushit gang.
Posted by: bjobotts
Date: July 12, 2007 10:27 AM
July 12, 2007 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it time to get rid of our government and start over? How on earth can this mess ever be cleaned up? The executive and judicial branches of government appear to be in cahoots with each other and the legislative branch is in gridlock. Wasn't it Albert Einstein who made a statement about the impossibility of solving problems using the same mindsets from which the problems arose?
July 12, 2007 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Harriet Miers should be tossed in jail for her staggering arrogance in believing Bush was right in selecting her for that Supreme Court nomination a few years ago. When she knew that she wasn't the best qualified candidate for that job. But as she adores and idolizes Bush she couldn't say no, and also her huge ego wouldn't let her say no to such a premier position. Arrogant witch.
Posted by: breakspear
Date: July 12, 2007 10:18 AM
She isn't bright enough to be arrogant. She is an anti-intellectual dim bulb who is oblivious to the rule of law -- as are most in the Bushit criminal enterprise -- having the confidence and assurance that Bushit's lawyers will take care of those details.
July 12, 2007 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mark:
I think you mean "cojones."
("cajones" are "drawers," as in a chest of drawers)
July 12, 2007 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
The second solution looks mighty good... No presidential pardon there.
July 12, 2007 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Posted by: D. Fell
Date: July 12, 2007 11:32 AM
Are we to take an internal DOJ memo from Janet Reno s the Supreme Law of the Lnd? If so, I would expect DOJ, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of BushCo, to gin out a more refined version.
By the way, are you related to the late great Norman Fell?
July 12, 2007 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's make a note of this -- that in July 2007 the Bush Justice Department took the position that "the President and his immediate advisers are absolutely immune from testimonial compulsion by a Congressional committee."
Then, when the Republicans try to force the advisers to the next Democratic President to appear before Congressional Committees, we can trot this out and ask them to explain the inconsistency.
July 12, 2007 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Scott Horton at No Comment points out that failure to comply with a valid Congressional subpoena is a felony under 2 USC sec. 192, and advising someone not to comply is a separate felony under 18 USC sec. 1505.
"Congress should demand prosecution of both Miers and Fielding, or use its inherent contempt powers."
Fielding is doing that his client requests/demands, after informing his client of the possible consequences, based upon a good faith legal theory. It is not Fielding who is violating the law.
"Ratchet this up, or this president's monarchical powers become routine for the next."
It is being ratcheted up.
"Anyone who is a member of Mr. Fielding's state bar should report him for felonious conduct."
Usually the client is held in contempt, not his lawyer, because the lawyer is only following the client's instructions, after advising the client of the possible consequences. Fielding is not in violation of the law, or of the Canon's.
Posted by: mbbsdphil
Date: July 12, 2007 10:26 AM
July 12, 2007 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink