That's fine -- time to pull back every American to the Embassy compound and let the Iraqi cabinet defend their country for a while -- we'll see if they even last until the next meeting.

Should be no problem.

The USMC has historically had the mission of protecting embassies. They have specific training and a unit at Quantico to support the mission.

I guess there is a slight problem. They are all currently committed to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Pull out the diplomats.

Once again we see the fine comments from our NAZI in residence, Jake D. You quite frankly disgust me. Traditionally, the protection of our embassies have been entrusted to the Marines and other military units. These are the people who have a sacred duty to defend this country, its citizens and our way of life. Of course, a fascist pig like you could never under stand such duty. You think that contracting out such duties is a good idea. You believe that leaving such mercenaries free of legal accountability for their actions is a good idea.

Why do you hate this country and what it stands for? Why do you not move to some third world tin-plate dictatorship where there are more unpatriotic and un-American people like you<

Time for another regime change in Iraq!

Ungrateful client state. Not even a thank you or a hug, just "mercenaries are not above our laws."

What gall.

Exactly, Supdog. For the record, I don't hate my country -- I'm just saying it's time the Iraqis defend their own allegedly sovereign country -- I give it less than a week.

Let's see how State likes it if the Iraqis decide this should be a retroactive revocation.

Run, Cindy, Run!!!

www.cindyforcongress.org

JakeD is one on the 30%ers who want enduring war(s). Also, the south will rise again. Ask any of the 30%ers.

Jake D. wrote on October 24, 2007 11:44 AM:
Exactly, Supdog. For the record, I don't hate my country -- I'm just saying it's time the Iraqis defend their own allegedly sovereign country -- I give it less than a week.

Actually it is pretty hard to defend what the U.S. has so thouroughly destroyed.

I am Jake D. I am an independent contractor. I work for dough. I work as a mercenary. I work the blogs!

I hate myself.

Chess. The game created in the middle east and the game that Iraqis are very good at. They are setting up a checkmate to force the US out of Iraq, one pawn at a time. Their next step will be to declare Blackwater a terrorist group. they know that Bush will never remove Blackwater from their country and they know that they don't have the power to capture the Blackwater mercenaries. So Iraq will force them out diplomatically. Once BW is gone, then they will move towards forcing the US troops out and regaining control of their countries oil supplies.

In Chess, when playing from a weak position, using your opponents strengths against them will turn the tide and give you a win.

Watch..

I can't wait to see Bremer, that lying sneak come before an Iraqi court! Remember the millions that mysteriously left Iraq?

And "We the People" will continue yelling and hollering... right up until the time we reelect those same folks who got us into this mess....'

Until "We the People" get off our asses and into the streets like the Vietnam protests, "these same folks" are all your corporations are going to offer as candidates.

And anyone who thinks that all of the cameras going up in cities all over this nation are only for terrorists reasons need to realize that these cameras are to watch YOU.

The so-called, "Patriot Acts" were put together because the Vietnam protests scared the hell out of our corporate heads and our corporate controlled government and because the American people weren't falling into line like the "bewildered herd" they are supposed to be.

You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

Hey -- we can invade Iran and use it as a staging base to secure Iraq!

That's fine -- time to pull back every American to the Embassy compound and let the Iraqi cabinet defend their country for a while -- we'll see if they even last until the next meeting.

Am I the only one that's recognizing Jake D. is calling for redeployment of US forces in the region? Finally, he's seen the light!

Jake's probably one of those who kicks a dog and then says, "Hey, he yelps because he likes it."

I stumbled across the "SECRET ORCON INTERROGATION LOG DETAINEE 063" on google and watched the film: "The Lives of Others (original German: Das Leben der Anderen)"

And I make four observations:

One that the Sr. Officer in charge did authorize the level three "coercion" of the Detainee in the logs of the interrogation and that he did not administer the "acts of coercion" himself. As a consistent point, there are times when "coercion is ethical" but it must be performed by the most Sr. officer or official available and stand jury nullification to be admissable. The genuine draconian, lurid, insidious, ticking bomb scenario's.

Second that the statement by Lindsey Graham that predicated the A.G.'s Q&A testimony of "was the attack on 911 an act of war or an criminal act, and you must choose one of the two", a false choice, and the achilles heel of the legal argument that he sought to make. I think that many decisions and events in the aftermath of 911 upon rational scrutiny, simply don't meet the litmus test of long term national security goals. Though I met Lindsey Graham in Columbia, SC in 2000 as he was peripheral to the John McCain campaign, liked him, understand his concern as a JAG for the 'underlings' that performed coercive interrogations, and in deference to Lindsey Graham whom I see as a man trying to 'limit damages' I used the word 'coercion.' But honestly I don't think the initial acts and decisions after 911 can be retro-rationalized.

Three in the wake of 911 we heard that there were new realities in a post 911 world, we have heard of 'new economies' like the dot.com bubble and tulipmania, it is not that there was a change in the world surrounding us, it is instead a disproportinate reaction to the circumstances by the Uberr: enthusiasts, really the "TRUE BELIEVERS" of every ilk who true to Eric Hoffer principles wanted to escape themselves and join this mass movement, and in documented examples: Discusses the appeal of mass movements, types of potential converts, factors promoting self-sacrifice, and good and bad mass movements. I feel that retro-rationalization cannot mitigate the bad aspects of the US mass movement post 911 and that a 'hangover' and repudiation is the natural course of events. The unintended consequences of allowing the most 'sensationalist' commentary to propogate in the media by Neoconservatives will undermine long-term national security for the United States and Israel. (I never bought into the protocol of Zion, not anti-semitic) know the origins of the fable back to lateran councils that precede that bigotry, just have had this email address for years as a consequence of 'good real estate' on the web and will continue to use it. And remember when it was argued that Neocon was perjurative, and now thankfully it is a household word.

And finally, when we abandoned long established principles of our institutional behavior, discarded treaties, made a case before the globe and before the UN that war was required, ignored the pre-requisites of waging war, such as resource conservation and war bonds, raising the suitable number of troops to prevail at the mission, based a decision to go to war under the direction of the WHIG, OSI, and OSP and bypassed the route of creating a genuine concensus of Nato allies and international accord for the reasoning of war, and in summation deceived the citizens of the two countries most involved in the war as to management of expectations and costs, this is truly the largest foreign policy blunder in this nations history based on the above precedents, that offers little in the way of a satisfactory outcome or progress in promoting National Security interests.

It leaves but one question: "why were so many rational and pragmatic objections to this irrational policy ignored for so long?"

I like Lindsey Graham, have met him personally, believe him to be a good man, but clinging to the notion that the 'rule of law' can be discarded, that the only choice was war, is historical revisionism and frankly political cowardice that was demonstated in a bipartisn fashion by both sides of the aisle.

At the moment of crisis, sound reasoning was abandoned and failures occured in leadership. There is not but one answer to the question: "was the attack on 911 an act of war or an criminal act, and you must choose one of the two"

I respectfully continue to disagree.

Sincerely,

Dee Illuminati

Yes, I understand, Jake. Your contention is that the Iraqi government can't stand on its own. As I said, you're almost there. Keep thinking it through.

Maybe it's all in how you define "kicking," eh, Jake?

Call it progress. At least the U.S. got the Iraqi "government" to agree on something.

It is always amusing to see Jake D. try to defend himself from the charges that he hates America. Let us look at the latest episode:

1. US contractors supporting the military around the world are subject to host nation's laws. Indeed, it is what marks them as independent nations. However, Jake D. sees the US as superior to the laws and customs that govern others. Not very American.

2. I do not exactly remember the Iraqis as having invited the US into their country in the first place. Indeed, certain sectarian groups did not trust the US because we used them politically the last time (George I) and abandoned them. The initial excuses and misrepresentations concerning WMD and connection to 9/11 were proven to be false. President Bush states that Saddam failed to follow resolutions to disarm. (Still says it - little hard to believe it since we found no weapons and little hard to believe that he rejected UN inspector reports that there was no evidence of such weapons) Not very American to invade a country for the wrong reason and then fail to provide adequate security or services for the people.

3. The security contractors were specifically exempted from Iraqi law. There was also no coverage under US law. Just think, a mercenary group totally unaccountable. Not very American Jake. Since you feel that it is right, demonstrates your utter contempt for the rule of law and justice in general.

4. Your solution Jake - pull our troops out and let them defend their own country. Yes, thats the American way - tell them to either ignore criminal and gravely negligent actions by US contractors acting as a private military force or we will make sure that many of your citizens die.

Jake - I know that you are a worthless troll. However, I have seen your views on this and other topics. I know that you are fascist scum. I will call you out for what you are - a person who hates democracy, liberty, justice, the rule of law. In other words, a person who hate the values and governing system of the United States.

Hey, anyone remember Paul Bremer?
and the missing money?

Jake D! I told you to stop eating cheetos on my sofa boy! If you don't get a job and quick, I am going to have to put you on the curb! What is all this posting business? Bringing in any money with that crap? OH, I see, you ARE being paid. Please, continue.

Jake D! A whole overdose of V agra won't help your IQ none!

Leave Jake alone. He's obviously not changing any minds, and he's not out doing anything that might actually help his cause, like registering new Republican voters, if such could be found.

OKAY...! can we bring the troops home now...the Iraqi government is finally standing up...No ? oh, thats right the people of Iraq still haven't signed over Iraq's oil to Exxon-Mobile, Shell, BP, Halliburton..etc.
Dee Illuminati, good research..(you will probably have to draw pictures of the bigger words..so Jake D. can understand)

OKAY...! can we bring the troops home now...the Iraqi government is finally standing up...No ? oh, thats right the people of Iraq still haven't signed over Iraq's oil to Exxon-Mobile, Shell, BP, Halliburton..etc.
Dee Illuminati, good research..(you will probably have to draw pictures of the bigger words..so Jake D. can understand)

I'm going to suggest that when the Iraqui government tries to arrest and detain Blackwater personel, Blackwater will fire upon them the same way that they'd fire at any of their perceived enemies (i.e. anyone in their way) and basically declare war on the Iraqi government. The Iraqi reaction to this will be to basically declare war on Blackwater in return and eventually our own troops will be caught in the middle of this as well as the civil war. We've already seen that Blackwater is willing to point weapons at our soldiers. This is going to get VERY ugly