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Obama: Tanner Should Have Been Fired, Not Moved

Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), who called on Justice Department officials to fire John Tanner back in October, has a glass-half-empty view of Tanner's resignation. A statement just out:

"It's unacceptable that the Administration is simply shuffling deck chairs by moving Mr. Tanner to another important position in the Justice Department. During his tenure, he made offensive, intolerant comments about minorities in an attempt to defend voter identification laws that threaten voting rights, and that's why I called on him to be fired. It's time we restore confidence in the Department by appointing public servants who are truly committed to upholding our civil rights."

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The Obama camp is about to also go after Big Litigator Man for his sexual and racial harassment.

Can one fax a resignation letter from Germany?

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Cicero,

YOU DON'T SAY?!?

This would be amazing.

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Cicero, if correct, I may know two people who would be willing to discuss the incident with the Obama campaign.

I can be reached at icejustice1@gmail.com

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please bring me up to speed, who's this "Big Litigator Man"?

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What are these comments supposed to mean?

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Anonymous and pkoso:

Sorry; you've reached a bunch of inside-baseball chatter by employees of the Voting Section, for which Tanner worked.

Big Litigator Man is another, widely disliked (partly for the racist, sexist comments indicated) Voting Section lawyer.

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Sen. Obama's people, please contact icejustice1 if you are serious about getting the facts behind the harassment incident. The woman who was victimized was called "too pro black" based on posters in her office of Dr. King and an NAACP register to vote sign, and horrible homophobic comments were made based on her Human Rights Campaign posters. She was the analyst on the Delay Redistricting submission, and has been targetted by some of Tanner's favorites for her commitment to civil rights. In addition, Yvette Rivera continually attempted to force this woman to work with those involved in the incident. Save the Civil Rights Division!

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*Grabs Beef and Broccoli dinner and a Clear Fruit flavored water*

Oh, this is gonna be good!!!

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Does Obama know about Tanner's comments about black voters in Philly? When he instructed attorneys to start looking into a 208 matter of the VRA, telling them to go out and find black voters in the city who cannot read, adding that it "should not be hard". I understand OPR should know about that matter.

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Damn, Bigger, you're making me hungry!

Anonymous, if I'm correct, this is the first time this comment has been disclosed in public...you've just made breaking news.

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no Ice, it was confirmed in comments on TPM in the tanner string...12/11 story

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Sorry, Ice, but I'm starving. I haven't had anything to eat since breakfast....

I think I'm starting to understand why Obama Girl developed a crush on him and made that song now, LOL. I think I'm coming down with a case of man-crush on Obama....

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here is the title of the story where the first public info on Tanner's comments about illerate black voters..

DoJ Argues for Voter ID Law in Supreme Court Case
By Paul Kiel - December 11, 2007, 1:49PM

see the post of Is He For Real, and the response from another commentor

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pkoso, anonymous,

something about Barry Scholtzman; allegations of sexual harassment, racial discrimination.

My understanding of it.

Sholtzman is preparing himself to evade American justice! (LOL)In fatherland!

Personally, he disgusts me, like the rest of the crime family.

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Barry Scholtzman?!? Bradley Schlozman, maybe, but not Barry Scholtzman.

And this guy ain't Schlozzie, though I don't doubt that he knows him.

Since his name has been mentioned on other threads, his name is Sean O'Donnell, and he's an attorney in the Voting Section. He accused a civil rights analyst of being a lesbian and being "too pro-black."

Imagine! A Civil Rights Analyst who enforces the Voting Rights Act, pro-black! Whoda thunk it? And the funny thing about the lesbianism "allegations" is that the particular person concerned has at least one gay person who is very close to her -- though she, herself, is not gay -- and neither she nor anyone she respects would give a damn if she WERE gay.

This same attorney, when talking about our "Spanish surname analysis," computer program which tries to identify Hispanic voters so that language assistance can be targeted to them, also said we should have an "African-American given name analysis" to pick out black voters.

Don't get me started on this dude. Even the Republicans in the Section don't like him.

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I wonder if they would be interested in investigating the illegal performance appraisal that Yvette Rivera wrote on behalf against the only remaining objector of the GA ID team, criticizing this career individual's work on the project that was completed prior to Ms. Rivera's employment with the DOJ. Hmmm, writing performance appraisals when you haven't been in your position long enough to be authorized to do so pursuant to OPM policy and the bargaining unit agreement, assessing work based on political bias and not substantive fact, and refusing to give employees information contained in their personnel file... seems pretty problematic to me. It looks like a lot more housecleaning is necessary.

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"This same attorney, when talking about our "Spanish surname analysis," computer program which tries to identify Hispanic voters so that language assistance can be targeted to them, also said we should have an "African-American given name analysis" to pick out black voters."

Like, what kinda names? Shenaynay? Delonte? D'onte? LeBron? Shaquille? Lakeisha? Latoya? LaDainian? Ciara? Beyonce? Shaquan? I guess the next thing he was gonna suggest was Voting Assistance materials written in Ebonics. LOL....What a tool.

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Now this could be a real crucial development - a Democratic front runner for President actually starting to take the electoral fight directly to BushCo on a key issue ie voter caging vis a vis racial profiling .IF Senator Obama can make BushCo malfeasenace generally a campaign issue -then we have got a real live viable candidate.
ThE Democratic Base is seething for some leadership- we are all demanding that we immediately start taking on the Neo Cons . We could make EACH & EVERY GOP scandal a campaign issue. Its to use a tired old phrase "a target rich environment " Take your pick -cooking the books on climate change , turning ex Governor Segilmann into a political prisoner. The MZM , Wilkes ,Abramoff Scandal reaches right into Cheney's office for crying out loud .
please please Sen Obama lets get after 'em - lets not do like John Kerry did in 2004 -lets show some initiative - lets show some leadership !

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Again - if any more members of Congress are interested in the racist behavior of Big Man Litigator - otherwise known as, well you know by now - email icejustice1@gmail.com. Not only have comments been made about gays, blacks, and a wide variety of minorities, the man has cheated the system and violated numerous leave policies. It gets even better than that which I am willing to publically post. In addition to the racist comments and violation of HR policies, the guy spreads rumor and innuendo about EVERYONE. Imagine someone who would go to the office of A. He might say, "I think C is a faggot. I'm sick of working with him." Then he goes to the office of B and says, "A is an idiot. He spends too much time going to coffee with C." Then he goes to [faggot] C and says, "B is a fruit loop, John Tanner doesn't like him." Ok, ok, ok, I know Congress isn't interested in bad behavior. But it sure demonstrates why nobody covers this guys back... well except John Tanner - HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

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Keep it coming, people! Rivera actually dropped that employee's overall rating for that period. If memory serves me correct, the proper evaluator resigned rather than give in to Rivera's request that she downgrade this employee's evaluation. Rivera had not been in the Section long enough to evaluate any staff. Yet somehow she did...these people do what they want, when they want, with no respect for policy. The union is well aware of this, and it is well-documented. Maybe an OPR needs to be started against Rivera.

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Al - and others - don't assume this Tanner incident was a Republican/Karl Rove/GOP plot. Its real easy, and really really lazy to do so. But it aint the truth. Tanner is an ideological chameleon. There has been quite a bit written on him about that. He has NOT been doing any "Bush bidding". Sure, Bush political appointees put him in - they are definately guilty of that. But Tanner's republican "leaningings" were a transitory and short lived thing. Becker and Rich love to talk about politicization but for the last year or so - the problems have generally been extraoridnary bad behavior. And the check cashing stuff probably cost him his job - from the "Bushies." Thats too much for them. Tanner's problems started when a courageous few were willing to take him on - to go to senior management and tell them they were being had, they were being lied to, they were unwittingly enabling a gang of 4 or 5 criminals. The problems have revolved around abuse of human beings and abuse of money and abuse of the law for the last year. Bush wasn't involved. Even the most left wing member of the section would admit this was a Tanner specific problem for the last 12 months. Toby Moore was right - John Tanner was the cause and effect of politicization at the section. But there really wasn't that much "politicization" over the last year - unless you count bogus claims in Boston to justify a summer at the beach courtesy of the US Taxpayers politicization. I suppose if I were a citizen of the Bay State that I might be awfully pissed at Tanner and Lorenzo-Giguere. If you were one of many blacks who have been screwed by Rivera not paying attention to the law (because she doesn't understand it) then yeah, I suppose it might be politicization. But these were NOT decisions made by front office, other than decisions of inaction and ommission. They absolved that sin today by sacking Tanner and its pretty clear that more is in the works.

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There are folks who are probably new to the section or young that think Tanner got a raw deal. If you think that you should talk to the 24 people over the years who's lives and careers have been ruined by John Tanner. Talk to
the current housing section chief. Talk to Bob Berman, David Becker, even Becky Wertz got shafted by his games. There are few people he hasn't lied about at some point to sully them, overtly or subtly. There are people who think this was just political, a game played in Washington. In part you are right. But this is a game Tanner has played for a decade - to stick knives in people's backs without them knowing where it came from. This isn't about egos or office politics. This was about ruined careers. People having to uproot their lives and family and move across the country because a Section Chief told lies about them. This is about people laboring for years and not being promoted because a Section Cheif made up stories about them and whispered the stories to managers that wouldn't know any better or heard what they wanted to hear. This is about shody lawyering resulting in the humilating loss of a high profile 203 case and then the world discovering that the lead attorney was building sandcastles at the beach all summer while collecting THOUSANDS in expenses and taking no vacation. This is about so much more than the man who likes to come around and pat you on the back will ever admit. It would be right for him to apologize to everyone, not to glad hand. But we all know how good he is at apologizing. If you are young and really didn't understand what was going on, just realize you saw that Karma exists, even insided the beltway.

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You tell it like it is, Young and Fresh. Big Litigator Man spilled some lies Tanner told him about me, and I always wondered why the hell I was even on Tanner's radar. Why he bothers to make up things about employees who do good work and are dedicated career folks always perplexed me. The man is a sociopath.

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Tanner told lies about me too. He never thought they'd get back to me. Susana also told lies about me that got back to me. I'll never forget it.

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Apparently, I've gotten so popular I'm drawing impersonators. "IceJustasIce" is not me. I don't have quite as much inside knowledge of O'Donnell as my friend above, though I will gladly support each and every word s/he has said with my own anecdotes.

Cicero -- you're almost right on the nose when you say "Even the most left wing member of the section would admit this was a Tanner specific problem for the last 12 months." It's been a Tanner-specific and a Lorenzo-Giguere-specific and a Rivera-specific problem for the last 12 months. And you're right that the last 12 months haven't been a Republican plot. In the last four months, at least, the vast majority of the Republicans I know have been on the right side of things, and I've come to know a lot of my Republican colleagues as decent, intelligent, well meaning people who care about the mission of our Section.

The Real Desperate Housewives of the DOJ?!? I LOVE the username.

Anonymous at 7:41 -- sorry; I never got back to that December 11 thread after the morning of the 12th, so I didn't see that comment until you pointed me in that direction.

Bigger -- sad to say it, but those were exactly the kinds of names O'Donnell hoped to "catch" with his "analysis." It was a racist "joke," plain and simple.

Anonymous at 8:52 -- exactly what you proposed is being discussed, and it will probably be filed if she doesn't get some common sense and follow her Dear Leader over to OSCIRUEP. Heck, she's all about helping Hispanics, and her record shows she doesn't care about black folks, so Immigration Related Unfair Employment Practices should be a natural fit for her.

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Big Litigator Man apparently also committed an assult on another lawyer in the section. I heard it wasn't reported and just brushed off. But I heard that he up and cold cocked one of the older attorneys. Maybe someone knows more about this.

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OH. MY. GOD. And, to think, I was actually considering going to see "I Am Legend" at the movies tonight! There are more sordid details of political intrigue and strife, going on in the DOJ CRT Voting Section, in this topic than any blockbuster Hollywood movie could ever provide!

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Bunch of pro-black faggots all of ya...

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A certain female deputy chief told lies about me too. She said she saw me watching pornos at work, when there was no possible way I could view it, because of the chaste, pure Web Sense content blocking software that immediately detects and stops the transmission of sexual-related content! She tried to ruin my reputation and I'm a nobody in the office!!

*Runs to corner, curls up into a fetal position, and sobs uncontrollably*

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Hey Bigger/Ron:

Don't do her the honor of calling her a deputy chief. She ain't. She's a special litigation counsel that didn't have the qualifications to be named deputy. I suspect the much ballyhoooed "Acting Deputy" nonsense is about to come to an abrupt end.

It ain't no accident the Actors were so shook up an teary-eyed today.

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Big Litigator Man actually hit an employee? I never heard that one. Details? Tanner and Lorenzo-Giguere don't corner the market on lies. Rivera is right up there with them. Section 5 staff caught her earlier on in a meeting wherein she told a blatant lie. She stood there saying that a certain analyst never reported something to her, completely ignorant to the fact that said analyst told the rest of us that he did, in fact, report something to her. She has told so many lies, she cannot keep them straight.

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Who is Ron Jeremy?

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Yvette was crying at work today? *smiles and laughs an evil laugh*

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Ron Jeremy = real life porn star

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I don't know the details. But I had heard Big Man Litigator got into an argument with another attorney and when the other attorney wasn't looking, sucker punched him. It might have been Bob L, Chris H or Brian H, but I really don't know which one. All I know for sure is that he assulted another attorney and the other attorney just didn't make a big deal about it.

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All I know is that Bob Berman must be sitting in Capital Hill somewhere, laughing his head off tonight. Karma does exist! I wonder if before leaving, Tanner took himself to coffee.

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Maybe his nickname should be changed from Big Man Litigator to Thuggish-Ruggish Bone, Esq., since he likes to fight people in the workplace.

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Good one, Bigger. We can call him No-Back-Bone (as opposed to Wish Bone, Lazy Bone, Crazy Bone or Busy Bone for those of you unfamiliar with the rap group Bone Thugs in Harmony), since he could not even man up and admit what he said about that analyst.

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I don't know a whit about big time litigator or thuggish bone, but all I can say is WHOEVER YOU ARE - you better change your ways and get right with God because it sounds like your heart hurts and you are full of the dark hate. Let the light in. Go apologize to those you've hurt. Go say sorry and embrace the living love of Christ, who can save you from the hate in your heart. Go ask forgiveness from the ones who don't even know that you are full of hate for them. Sin seems to have consumed you. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love the Lord your God with all your heart.

This will get you started big litigator:

Proverbs 21:12

Proverbs 21:23

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Big Litigator Man is a devout Catholic who keeps rosary beads in his office...what a hypocrit he is.

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Might have included more of Proverbs 21:

When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous
but terror to evildoers.

A man who strays from the path of understanding
comes to rest in the company of the dead.

He who loves pleasure will become poor;
whoever loves wine and oil will never be rich.

The wicked become a ransom for the righteous,
and the unfaithful for the upright.

He who guards his mouth and his tongue
keeps himself from calamity.

The proud and arrogant man-"Mocker" is his name;
he behaves with overweening pride.


A false witness will perish,
and whoever listens to him will be destroyed forever.

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Geez, they let guys like that into law school? And from law school into a cushy, high-prestige jobs in the Voting Section? He makes Michael Vick, Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson seem like pussycats in comparison. At least they never decked any of their teammates, LOL....

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Even if he is "devout", he needs our prayers. Perhaps this whole mess was a way for this person to get right with God and examine his behavior and realize it isn't God's way to hit and hurt people. Lives change in momemts like this, if he opened his heart and realized it.

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Change Your Stanky Ways

Get lost with your tripe. Go over to the WH and get down on your knees.

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At least Stanky's religious beliefs seem to be heartfelt, unlike Big Littergator Man's.

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Shout out to Savage and Cicero. Wish I knew who you guys/gals were, because I'd like to buy you both a beer.

> It ain't no accident the Actors were so shook up an teary-eyed today.

The Actors and Big Man Litissaulter probably believe this crap (from the AP story...TPM won't let me post links tonight for some reason...go to Google News and enter Tanner's name):

"John Tanner, a longtime attorney in the department's Civil Rights division, requested the move from the division's voting rights office, Justice spokesman Peter Carr said. Tanner now works in the Office of Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, Carr said.

'Mr. Tanner made the decision to pursue this opportunity on his own accord,' Carr said in a statement."

Bigger -- you'd be surprised at what they let into law school. Heck, they let Tanner, Lorenzo-Giguere, and Rivera in. Tells you it doesn't take a supergenius to memorize a torts outline.

The LOT of them are liars: Tanner, Lorenzo-Giguere, Rivera, O'Donnell, and a couple more whose names I won't name, but you folks know who I'm talking about.

> It might have been Bob L, Chris H or Brian H

I don't think Colonel Lowell would have put up with being sucker punched. Hell, he might have shown Chickenhawk O'Donnell a thing or two from his combat training. Plus which, O'Donnell doesn't interact with Lowell much. Somehow, Brian H. doesn't seem like the type to take it, either, and would Sean really sucker-punch a special litigation counsel?

Still, the story has a ring of truth to it, just not with one of those three people as the recipient of the punch.

O'Donnell has roots in the Midwest, and I understand there's a tax firm in Wichita looking for sniveling wingnut has-been lawyers.

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And if Yvette was sobbing today, it was probably at the realization of her own impending unemployment.

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Well, I don't know if she cried at the office today, but she sure did look like she was having a hard time pretending to look happy in the pics from the Holiday Party. I guess that's why they got taken off network server so fast, LOL......

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Huh! Sorry about my typo re: Bradley Scholtzman.

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It can't be emphasized enough or repeated too often that Obama's use of cocaine is completely irrelevant to the campaign. Obama used coke, so what? He was young when he was putting the BMP up his nose. What's that got to do with now, when he hasn't tooted a line in years? Forget the Obama-cocaine thing. Obama . . . cocaine, it's trivial, silly. Cocaine . . . Obama, Obama . . . cocaine . . . Just stop it!

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Whateva. Without impeachment all you got if high crimes and misdemeanors and a lot of Democrat hot air. Somebody light a match, puh-leeze!

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"It can't be emphasized enough or repeated too often that Obama's use of cocaine is completely irrelevant to the campaign. Obama used coke, so what? He was young when he was putting the BMP up his nose. What's that got to do with now, when he hasn't tooted a line in years? Forget the Obama-cocaine thing. Obama . . . cocaine, it's trivial, silly. Cocaine . . . Obama, Obama . . . cocaine . . . Just stop it!"

Yeah, I know, right?? Just like Bill Clinton experimenting with Ganja in college or Dubya being a reformed coke addict AND alcoholic. I mean, people just can't let go of the past, man. Just let it stay in the past. They're not in their teens, 20s, and 30s anymore for Pete's sake......Sheesh.

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let me see now. this guy makes a racist comment and Obama thinks he should be fired. But, Donnie McClurkin makes homophobic statements and Obama thinks we need to engage himin discussion to find common ground. In fact, just because McClurkin is a good little Christian along with being a bigot, Obama thinks he should be out campaigning for him. Can anyone sat hypocrite?

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"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone...."

*Throws stone high into the air vertically*

*Stone descends back to earth*

*PAP*

*Collapses and falls to the ground*

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Ice - if people like Popper, Rivera and Giguere believe this is voluntary, they need to make some calls to some organizations and find out some things. Tanner and Giguere being openly scorned last week at the MALDEF event was but one manifestation of their disdain for these crooks.

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"voluntary" transfers don't strike like lightning from the sky. These kind of "voluntary" transfers are voluntary only to the extent you had THIS choice:

1. Take this job.
2. Be fired
3. Quit.

Yeah, its true, Tanner "made the decision to pursue this opportunity on his own accord."

The REAL question is what were his other choices. Yeah Yvette, it was "voluntary," in a way only a fool would define.

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Wow, you Voting Section people are a great bunch of early risers, aren't you?

I've just been discharged from the hospital with a clean bill of health, and I've got a quick, little Jeopardy trivia question for ya:

"What kind of a person sits in a room full of black people and demeans them by comparing their jobs to menial, unskilled labor?"

"What is a racist, elitist, pompous snob, Alex?"

"YES, YOU ARE CORRECT! AND YOU'VE JUST WON THE DAILY DOUBLE!"

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Yeah, right: a Tanner problem not a Bushco problem and all those good Republicans were troubled.

Since everybody was shouting out about what was going on why was it that Bushco sat on
their brains and did nothing?

How many attempted rehabilitations of the reThugs do we have to endure? If a Rethug wants my respect he or she will have to develop a moral backbone and leave that party.

As for Obama --indulging homophobes is still good politics while indulging racists is not. You have to remember that Obama campaigned for Lieberman in the primary.

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Jane,

So, your theory is that "troubled republicans" should do the right thing and Obama should do the politically expedient thing?

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No, my argument is that Obama did the expedient thing and should have done the right thing by dropping McGlurkin.

Obama is reasoning like a conservative: if it happened to me or my group I understand it but if it happens to a like group their complaints make no sense to me.

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>Obama used coke, so what?

Yeah; so what.

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John says that you all are in trouble!

John says that we are not going to tolerate this any more.

John says you are to report all seditious thoughts to me1

John says you are to tell on your neighbors.

John says I must approve all leave and what time you go to lunch.

Where is my court jester Bob!? Bob, come here and entertain me. Report to me the results of your investigations!!

John says stop.

John says go.

John says I am his queen.

What? There is another!?!?! John said I was the one. John says everything will be fine. John says you cannot have leave. John says he will be here in the Section a very, very long time.

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Is Queen Yvette saying Bob L is a tattle tale? Or just that he has been asked to tattle?

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Obama is the real deal. Hillary is a poser. I can't believe this most recent bit from her.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/opinion/15sat3.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

This is from the NYT. After all the Republican electoral chicanery, I can't believe Hillary is trying to muck around with the vote. And it's a double bonus. At the same time she is trying to suppress people who might vote against her, she's pandering to another portion of the electorate, like she's doing it for them.

This is just another disappointment in a long line of them from her. It's no coincidence that after she says it's time for the hard edge campaigning "fun" to start, she's been shamed into firing the co-head of her campaign in New Hampshire and two staffers in Iowa for smearing her opponent. And now this. Enough already. It's time for a change.

It's clear to me she doesn't learn from her mistakes. We'll see more of this if we elect her. Just like we saw her recent vote for Bush's warmongering proposition to declare part of the Iranian military enemy terrorists. You would think she would have learned from her mistake in voting to support Bush on the Iraq war. Nope.

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There is no respect for the law, ethics, honor or the culture of our democratic nation in this administration or the Republican party. They freely flought the US and international law, loot the treasury, ignore the checks and balances of our constitutional system, disable democracy, and dishonor all this nation represents.

The democrats are unable or unwilling to control this president. The courts have been stacked with right wing idealogues. Our nations laws and policies are offered for sale to the highest bidder. We are mocked by the greater part of the world.

Is it not time for the people to rise up and take control? Is it not time to consider making an example of this miscreant in order to show the administration that the people will avenge the wrongs done to our constitutional institutions should the government fail to act?

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Jane,

I don't think any of the Voting Section folks on this thread would argue that we agree with our Republican colleagues in the Section on matters ideological. What we are saying is that many of them have behaved in an extremely ethical manner in the past few months with regard to the Tanner situation.

We have many disagreements in terms of the emphasis different parts of the Section's mission should have (i.e., Voting Rights Act enforcement versus HAVA and National Voter Registration Act enforcement). But we have found common ground on a lot of things. The disagreements are not huge. Most of our Republican colleagues agree that minority voting rights enforcement is important. Most of the Democrats agree that dead people and illegal immigrants shouldn't vote.

As a bold, sweeping, somewhat stereotypical statement, the Democrats disagree with the Republicans as to where the balance should be struck. The Republicans think that voter ID laws are a good way to make sure illegal immigrants and dead people don't vote; the Democrats think that there's no proof that illegal/dead/double voting is a very big problem, certainly not a big enough problem to justify voter ID laws, which tend to disenfranchise minorities.

The Republicans, on the other hand, think that minority voting enforcement is a good idea but don't think that Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, which requires that states with the worst histories of discrimination clear even minor changes affecting voting with us, is a justifiable intrusion upon state sovereignty in 2007 (all I've spoken to agree it was justifiable in 1965).

The whole issue of election law enforcement can be thought of along a continuum. At one side of the continuum is election integrity; at the other side of the continuum is voting access. Both sides believe in both goals. All laws that affect voting qualifications shift the balance one way or the other. The Democrats in the Section tend to believe that the law should err on the side of access at the expense of integrity; the Republicans tend to believe that the law should err on the side of integrity at the expense of access. It is at the ends of the continuum that our Republicans and our Democrats disagree. There is a huge area in the middle, which encompasses the vast majority of our day-to-day business in voting law enforcement, where we do agree.

The business of our Section is too complex to be categorized in the way that leftish blogs, in many of which I am a proud participant under other pseudonyms, usually characterize them: Democrats good, Republicans bad. This is a characterization I am happy to endorse and even advance in the area of electoral *politics*. It doesn't work so well in the area of election *law enforcement*. Statutes are political compromises that are then interpreted by judges in the manner that they believe best comports with the intent of Congress, the Constitution, and the decisions of other judges. We are largely stuck with the interpretations that we are given.

What has happened in recent months -- recent week, even -- is that we have been able to put our political differences aside, see the common goals that we want to achieve, and reject the incompetent, corrupt leadership that was foisted upon us.

Now for the big surprise. John Tanner, Yvette Rivera, and Susana Lorenzo-Giguere are all registered *DEMOCRATS*. They are registered Democrats put in power by Republicans, at least to some extent to cover the tracks of those Republicans. Over the last year, Tanner and his crew have done things neither Democrats nor Republicans approve of. Just like Democrats and Republicans agree that dead people shouldn't be able to vote but black people should, Democrats and Republicans in the Section agree that our management shouldn't be charging stays at Cape Cod vacation homes or trips to Hawaii to the taxpayer. We agree that decisions on awards, bonuses, and promotions should be made on the basis of employee merit, not on the basis of employee skin color or employee sycophancy. We agree that litigation decisions should be based on the merits of cases, not on whether or not our Section Chief "likes" the lawyers on the other side. We believe that only meritorious claims should be brought.

We will continue to have vigorous debates with our Republican colleagues on issues such as voter ID and the continuing constitutionality of Section 5. Even here, we have areas of agreement: the Republicans think ID should be made widely available and should be free; the Democrats think that the Section 5 coverage formula doesn't make much sense these days. But we have learned to respect each other.

If there is a silver lining in the cloud that has been raining $#!t all over the Voting Section, this is it.

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*Gives IceJustIce a long standing ovation*

You are you sure it wasn't prophecy when I showed you that envelope that listed you as the next Section Chief?!?

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Bigger, I think you think Ice is someone who Ice isn't :)

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I guess you are right, Anonymous.

That eloquently-worded treatise on the principles and causes that the Voting Section should really be standing for has caused me to reach a great epiphany.

Yes, God really does exist. And this omniscient and omnipotent being visits political blogs under the name IceJustIce. This force of nature has the power to crush the entire careers of evil-doers and miscreants lurking within the highest branches of government with a single keystroke. I am in awe right now of the possibility that such a being walks among us, the unsuspecting masses of humanity, humble and unassuming.

*Prostrates self before the altar of IceJustIce* ^_^

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Bigger,

I may be a good writer, but I don't have your guts to post personally identifying information here and let the world be damned. I assure you the respect is mutual!

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Everyone know's my Court Jester isn't Bob L. He has far far too much integrity for that. The other Bobby is my jester. The one that fawns all over me because I am close to the King and Other Queen. He not only is my Court Jester, but also my Director of Court Intelligence, cause don't you know I sure need one!!!!

John says! John says!! John says!!


John says - he's leaving! John says he has 8 hours to pack up his career and clean out his desk!!! John says. John says.

Scene: Parrot queen fades to black.

Court Jester sulks off to a cave to tear off jester suit and blend into regular population.

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Queen Yvette, you must then be referring to Bob P?

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"I may be a good writer, but I don't have your guts to post personally identifying information here and let the world be damned. I assure you the respect is mutual!"

Oh, pish-tosh. You know I'm just a small fry. It's your world and I'm just a squirrel out here, trying to get an acorn! Seriously, can I borrow some money? Writing skills?? A free govt.-funded trip to Cape Cod, Puerto Rico, or Hawaii??? Anything???? LOL......

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Scarlett O'Rivera: What are you doing?

Rhett Tanner: I'm leaving you, my dear. All you need now is a divorce and your dreams of Ashley can come true.

Scarlett O'Rivera: Oh, no! No, you're wrong, terribly wrong! I don't want a divorce. Oh Rhett, but I knew tonight, when I... when I knew I loved you, I ran home to tell you, oh darling, darling!

Rhett Tanner: Please don't go on with this, Leave us some dignity to remember out of our marriage. Spare us this last.

Scarlett O'Rivera: This last? Oh Rhett, do listen to me, I must have loved you for years, only I was such a stupid fool, I didn't know it. Please believe me, you must care! Melly said you did.

Rhett Tanner: I believe you. What about Ashley Wilkes?

Scarlett O'Rivera: I... I never really loved Ashley.

Rhett Tanner: You certainly gave a good imitation of it, up till this morning. No Scarlett, I tried everything. If you'd only met me half way, even when I came back from London.

Scarlett O'Rivera: I was so glad to see you. I was, Rhett, but you were so nasty.

Rhett Tanner: And then when you were sick, it was all my fault... I hoped against hope that you'd call for me, but you didn't.

Scarlett O'Rivera: I wanted you. I wanted you desperately but I didn't think you wanted me.

Rhett Tanner: It seems we've been at cross purposes, doesn't it? But it's no use now. As long as there was Bonnie, there was a chance that we might be happy. I liked to think that Bonnie was you, a little girl again, before the war, and poverty had done things to you. She was so like you, and I could pet her, and spoil her, as I wanted to spoil you. But when she went, she took everything.

Scarlett O'Rivera: Oh, Rhett, Rhett please don't say that. I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry for everything.

Rhett Tanner: My darling, you're such a child. You think that by saying, "I'm sorry," all the past can be corrected. Here, take my handkerchief. Never, at any crisis of your life, have I known you to have a handkerchief.

Scarlett O'Rivera: Rhett! Rhett, where are you going?

Rhett Tanner: I'm going back to Charleston, back where I belong.

Scarlett O'Rivera: Please, please take me with you!

Rhett Tanner: No, I'm through with everything here. I want peace. I want to see if somewhere there isn't something left in life of charm and grace. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Scarlett O'Rivera: No! I only know that I love you.

Rhett Tanner: That's your misfortune.
[Rhett turns to walk down the stairs]

Scarlett O'Rivera: Oh, Rhett!
[Scarlett watches Rhett walk to the door]
Scarlett O'Rivera: Rhett!
[runs down the stairs after Rhett]
Scarlett O'Rivera: Rhett, Rhett!
[catches him as he's walking out the front door]
Scarlett O'Rivera: Rhett... if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do?

Rhett Tanner: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
[Rhett walks off into the fog]

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I think you all have it wrong. This will all blow over. John voluntarily decided to go work somewhere else. Didn't you read the statement? John said that he was the one that decided he was going to go the Special Counsel's office. Susana and Yvette will still be in the section and so nothing is really going to change. I think John did pretty good in front of Congress. His problems are just caused by a few disgruntled people in Section 5. It will all blow over, don't you worry. I'll still be allowed to fly to Texas on the government credit card to visit my friends. Don't you know I love to go to Texas ALMOST as much as Susana likes to go to Cape Cod. We both love the Big Island though.

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Big Litigator Man aka Big Man Litigator: if only Tanner's problems were caused by a few disgruntled people in Section 5, foolish you. It wasn't until the ATTORNEYS in the Section, REPUBLICAN ATTORNEYS at that, started to see the light, that Tanner got into trouble. That, of course, in combination with his moronic, "clumsy" statements in public. Section 5 people have no power with the Front Office or anyone in power. It was when he made the Division and Dept look bad in public and when those attorneys had enough, that people in power wised up and made him leave. And I thought you would be smater than to believe all you read. If you think Tanner had a choice in this, you are more stupid than I hear you are. Oh, the Front Office was being warned by the House Judiciary Committee that the one hearing was just the beginning. They could move him, get him to resign, or start to prep him for another, more detailed hearing. If you thought Reps Ellis and Davis gave it to him in October, you have no clue what was in store. Make no mistake about it, this was NO CHOICE of Tanner's. Wake up, dust off your resume, and be gone.

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Gone with the wind (continuance)

Scarlett Rivera: Ohhh Ohhh [the words could not come out so Scarlett just cried during Rhatt's farwell speech]

Rhatt Tanner: "it's ok" [he kissed her in front of the staff] YUCK!!

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Pork (Imaging Seamstress): Great Gee-hossefat!

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Anonymous at 11:01:

Outside of the extremely bright Republican attorney with a penchant for motorcycles, I'm not sure other Republican attorneys, if that term even makes sense, care to have the credit. Many attorneys complained, attorneys of all political persusasions saw injustice and corrpution occuring. Many non attorney's complained. Many many many complained.

But the guy with the motorcycle was truly the one person you didn't want to piss off. You can't treat someone with so much intellect and experience the way they did. This wasn't some shlump just out of law school. He was hard core and had a burning sense of right and wrong.

This is the kind of guy they decided to treat poorly: the attorney with a penchant for motorcycles after college ENLISTED IN THE UNITED STATES MARINES. He went to Paris Island and served in the Marine Corp, NOT as an officer. So when you lie about him, when you treat him like he was treated, he gets to write the last chapter of the story.

Semper Fi.

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Its my understanding that at least two OPR complaints were filed by two republican attorneys, and at least two/three other met with the Front Office. No Section 5ers went to OPR or the Front Office on Tanner, with the exception of the one analyst involved in the GA Team's complaint. No one cares about nonattorney concerns in DOJ, lets no kid ourselves. A serious pecking order exists. Section 5 basically had no dealing with Tanner, as Rivera was always in their way. And Section 5 knew Rivera had a free pass. Tanner let her do whatever she wanted. Nonetheless, my eternal respect and gratitude to the guy with the penchant for motorcycles. He is my personal hero.

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Anon 1208

I think you underestimate the level of discontent and communication. But what does it matter? It is a new day. Enjoy the sunshine and don't worry about why the sun glows.

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It is too bad that John was forced to move on. He and Susana are hard-workers who made tremendous gains (recently cited by the Boston mayor, for example). I predict they will both be cleared by OPR. Susana worked twice as hard than all of you whiny ninnys (many of you I suspect left in the purge a few years ago). Tanner is soft-spoken and a true gentleman.

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"It is too bad that John was forced to move on."

"John Tanner, a longtime attorney in the department's Civil Rights division, requested the move from the division's voting rights office, Justice spokesman Peter Carr said. Tanner now works in the Office of Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, Carr said.

C'mon, buddy. Make sure you got your facts straight before you post!

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Is that Sean "Roscoe" O'Donnell, Yvette "Roscoe" Rivera, Joshua "Roscoe" Rogers, or Christian "Roscoe" Ortego above me? Could scarcely be anybody else.

> He and Susana are hard-workers who made tremendous gains (recently cited by the Boston mayor, for example).

Give me a break. Just click the "Civil Rights Division" tag under the main story above to find out about the "gains" John and Susana were responsible for. If you're talking about all the 203s, even Nina Perales over at MALDEF, whose constituency should be the most benefitted by all these 203 cases, said they weren't doing any good and that the Hispanic community would be better served by Section 2 suits getting majority-minority districts for Hispanics. I won't even go into the rest, as it's been so widely reported that anybody who could make such a statement has either been drinking Kool-Aid or has had his/her head in the sand for the last few years.

> I predict they will both be cleared by OPR.

Is that why half the folks on the Litigation side have been shuffling back and forth to OPR for interviews that have lasted in excess of two hours?

> Susana worked twice as hard than all of you whiny ninnys[.]

Ask the attorneys who have worked cases with her. When she *has* inserted herself into litigation, it's usually been to muck up the otherwise excellent work of Litigation attorneys.

> (many of you I suspect left in the purge a few years ago). Tanner is soft-spoken and a true gentleman.

Soft-spoken? Maybe. But do "true gentlemen" engage in purges? You contradict yourself. The problem is that while Tanner can be soft-spoken and a pat-you-on-the-back kind of guy, there's usually a dagger in his hand when he's "patting" you.

Cato:

Well-said. I'm sorting through my email to see if I have a personal email on the guy, because I want to send him my personal thanks. Only one thing I'd contest that you said:

> Outside of the extremely bright Republican attorney with a penchant for motorcycles, I'm not sure other Republican attorneys, if that term even makes sense, care to have the credit.

I know several who are extremely glad to see the last of John Tanner. I'm not sure "credit" is the applicable term here. The person who gets the credit for getting rid of John Tanner is John Tanner. None of us made him say that minorities die first. None of us went to Hawaii on the Government dime.

If there was an active effort to get rid of Tanner (and there was), it was only an active effort to make sure his egregious actions saw the light of day.

The post above purporting to be from Big Litigator Man isn't. He would never say "Don't you know I love to go to Texas ALMOST as much as Susana likes to go to Cape Cod." Besides, isn't he in Germany? 10:47 p.m. here is 4:47 a.m. in Germany. And, yes, TPM always puts the time in Eastern time, where its servers are located

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roscoe: you cleary never worked in the voting section. Susana rolls into work late, if at all, takes weeks and weeks of leave during critical litigation moments. These are objective facts. John might appear to be a "true gentleman" and "soft spoken" but it is an iron fist in a velvet glove. Susana is also probably to worst manager of talent most people in the section have ever seen. Lies, orders and backstabbing are her skill set. Hard work is not. She has never hardly even litigated a case. She files marginal cases and then browbeats jurisdictions into settlement. Want proof? Google her. Read the BS she sent to her law school Franklin Pierce. It talks about her working even when she was in labor to draft a complaint. That too, not surprisingly, is a lie. Someone else wrote that complaint. She did not. The person probably doesn't want their name used, but I was there. I saw it firsthand. Roscoe, you simply don't know what you are talking about. I could give you the name of over 40 people you could talk to and hear credible eyewitness accounts to their skull duggery, corruption, deceit and legal laziness. But hey, I'll give you this, it takes a while for people to figure it out. Some take weeks, others take years - but eventually everyone gets it about these two.

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Ice - your list of enablers is far too expanisve. Calling JR a defender of this crew is like saying Michael Vick loves dogs.

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Tanner for President (you guys can write to me c/o general delivery in Vancouver if that ever happens):

There's a saying over at Daily Kos that proof positive that the Republicans are the party of "family values" is the number of Republican political appointees who have left in recent months to "spend more time with their families."

Karl Rove, implicated in Plamegate, resigned to "spend more time with his family."

Trent Lott quit the Senate to "spend more time with his family" when he really wanted to evade a new ethics law to take a seven-figure job on K Street.

The examples are simply too numerous to cite unless I want to be here all afternoon Googling "more time with my family." I'll simply note that Jack Shafer writes, in a 6/14/07 Slate article aptly enough titled "More Time With My Family," [again, Josh/Paul, PLEASE enable linking in comment posts!] that "Another indemnifying exit strategy is to claim that you're seeking 'new opportunities[.]' This excuse usually appears in the form of a corporate press release, because nobody can keep a straight face when it's spoken out loud."

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Broad,

Then I'd heard wrong. My apologies to JR if I incorrectly included him.

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"Karl Rove, implicated in Plamegate, resigned to 'spend more time with his family.'

What?!? You mean "M.C. Rove" really didn't quit the White House to work on his debut rap album?!?

"Trent Lott quit the Senate to 'spend more time with his family' when he really wanted to evade a new ethics law to take a seven-figure job on K Street"

You are suggesting Trent Lott really didn't quit the Senate to go back to Mississippi, but instead to become a lobbyist earning a $1,000,000 salary, working to get a chain of Strom Thurmond museums built all over the Deep South?!?

Geez, you liberal fanatics have been drinking too much Haterade......;-)

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Roscoe: I suggest you read the Tale of Jememia Puddle-Duck by Beatrix Potter. It’s quick read and a pretty simple way to explore the literature of gentlemanly deception.

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I just received an email setting me straight on Joshua.

Joshua, if you are reading this, huge apologies for my misconception. Tanner did such a good job of setting us all against one another that many of us have been afraid of reaching out to find out who our friends really were.

Best wishes on your impending wedding!

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You all take yourselves a tad too seriously. Most likely, you are all jealous of the kudos John and Susana have received throughout their stellar Justice careers. While all of you hide behind your computer screens all day pretending the Section has the relevance it had back in the day, John and Susana are trailblazers who have gone out and made cases (i.e. foreign language cases) where few dared to tread before. The OPR attorney handling their cases is a true professional and will see you all as the whining pointy-headed fascists you all are. Perhaps you should all volunteer to go and work for Shanetta Cutler if you don't like the management.

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ROFLMAO.

Looks like the Voting Section has its first honest-to-god TROLL!!

"Trailblazers"? Yeah, John and Susana are trailblazers, all right. They've blazed a new trail testing the limits of incompetence and cronyism. They've blazed trails all the way to Hawaii and Cape Cod, where few people working on minority voting rights have ever dared to tread before.

And if the OPR attorney handling their cases is a true professional, they'll be blazing new trails to places like Butner, North Carolina, and Alderson, West Virginia.

> Perhaps you should all volunteer to go and work for Shanetta Cutler if you don't like the management.

Now, there's an idea! With Ty Clevenger playing the role of Joe Rich, we could run HER off, too! I got an email from Ty a few weeks ago, by the way, hoping we "got much further with Tanner than I did with SPL."

Shout-out to Ty if he's reading this, by the way. He's further proof that Republican lawyers can be ethical, stand-up guys. Ty is now representing a black JP in Waller County, Texas, who is trying to overturn a bond election that devoted less than 1 percent of the proceeds to repair a black school.

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Roscoe - I suspect OPR won't have the last say on this. Some of the allegations appear to be outright crimes as well as ethical violations of the rules of conduct. I count two more stops on the long ride before this story ends.

Obviously some folks on blogs get out of hand and over the top. Haterade is your term and can probably fit some of these posters. But you've got to be honest with yourself too. Calling these people trailblazers is pretty weak. And even if it were entirely true, which it isn't, being a trailblazer doesn't give you the right to violate standards of conduct and honesty. There were some good cases done early, no doubt. But if you were close to the matter then you would realize that quite a bit of extremely bad behavior has occured.

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Anon,

There wouldn't be so much Haterade if Tanner/Susana/Yvette hadn't left such a path of devastation in their wake and if the ruined careers left in that path were not the careers of some of our friends.

I know who most of the posters on these threads are, and they're not haters by nature. Haters by nature don't, as a rule, go into civil rights work. But there's a lot of pent up hostility out here at what was allowed to go on for so long.

So, sorry for the Haterade. Once we blow off this steam, it will be rebuilding time. I hope and believe that that's an activity we can all participate in with a shared sense of purpose, because it's gonna be a long slog.

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Whining - if you know who most of the posters on this thread are, beware, the Director of Intelligence may be looking for you.

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Interesting that JFK's former advisors are endorsing Obama:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7405_Page2.html

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If he's looking for intelligence, he's clearly come to the wrong place if he's poking around the Voting Section :P

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If Tanner, Rivera, and Lorenzo-Giguere are Democrats are they also members of the Federalist Society?

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If everyone who was entitled to vote and tried to do so had succeeded in voting for their choice in Florida, we would not have had Bush. Bushco has proceeded to imprison people without any kind of trial and to block any recourse, to kidnap individuals and send them to other countries to be tortured, to torture some in our own control and destroy the evidence, to conduct himself as an elected King who does
not return a bill with his objections but instead uses signing statements to rewrite it to his satisfaction. I could go on but it should be clear why I think it is a moral failure to voluntarily affix a R to one's name.

There is more evidence for the tooth fairy than for vote stealing of the type
that these weak-minded useful fools of Rove's have convinced themselves that they have a noble calling to pursue. The effect is to divert a substantial portion of the resources that should be devoted to voting access where the problems have been critical to our right to call ourselves a democracy.

Also, your logic is poor: the claim that under current conditions it is immoral to support the ReThugs by allowing the use of your name for that party is not the same as a claim that there are no immoral Democrats.

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Obama - "Tanner should have been fired, not moved."

The Bigger Tigger - "Tanner should have been fired. But for God's sake, it you ain't gonna fire the crook, at LEAST MOVE HIM!!"

Anyone know why Mr. John "Reassigned Immediately or Terminated" is still sitting at his desk in the chief's office in the voting section? He doesn't appear to be packing. He doesn't appear to be doing anything than sitting on his computer holding court for the Queen and miscellaneous sycophants.

I think it is time that Mr. Abrhams do a follow up to the fellow who just won't leave.

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The Bigger Tigger noticed that some high falutin uppity old women ain't got an attitude for the Bigger Tigger anymore.

The Bigger Tigger was skipping along, singin his song, all the live long day today. Nothing like a dose of hot sauce on your cornflake to put you in your place. Keep that door locked! The Bigger Tigger's got a big smile so wide, you'd hardly stand it!!!

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Maybe somebody should look into the fact that under Rivera's "leadership" the Section 5 team has missed several 60 day deadlines. This certainly isn't due to the hardwork of the unit, but to mis-management.

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The Section 5 unit under her "leadership" has also lost quite a few submissions that got precleared by 60 days going by. Ho ho ho! Merry Christmas! Lets give her an award!!
HA HA HA HA!!!!

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Where is this Yvette Rivera from? What is her background?

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Yvette Rivera used to be a seamstress. She came from a long line of seamstresses in Puerto Rico. She then went to the Northeastern School of Law after ended its several year shut down for lack of a program. Then she became a member of the NY Bar after a couple of attempts at passing the bar. She worked in the voting section until her unfortunate failure on the bar became known in the 1980s. Then she bounced around one government job to another until finally got a job in OCC, which of course, nobody hardly has heard of. It is the comptroller of the currency and has one of the most narrow legal function in all of law. Then Tanner dragged her back to the voting section becuase he knew she was qualified, because they used to go to church together. Her background, in a word, is undistinguished.

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Has Big Man Lit-assulter returned to the Voting Section yet?

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