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Huck Pollsters: McCain Supports "Experiments on Unborn Children"

This is certainly the nastiest line we've heard in the push polls going out to about a million South Carolinians. Respondents who say that they're supporting John McCain are told "Fact: McCain voted to allow scientific experiments to be done on unborn children." (Thanks to TPM Reader NC for flagging this for us.)

Patrick Davis, the executive director of Common Sense Issues, the group that's been paying for the automated calls, confirmed to me that such a line is used in the script: "He's in favor of stem cell research. That's the issue."

The medical experiments on unborn babies line is actually an old favorite of the group -- they used it in 2006 against now Sen. Ben Cardin (D-MD), when he was running against GOPer Michael Steele.

Update: The New York Times reports on another line in the calls:

The call first asked whom the listener was supporting in the primary. If the listener said Mr. McCain, the automated voice said that not only did Mr. McCain support research on “unborn babies,” but that in writing the McCain-Feingold bill tightening rules on campaign donations, Mr. McCain had created “the most restrictive assault on free speech ever passed in America.”

The call referred to the bill as the “McCain-Feingold-Thompson law,” evidently because Mr. Thompson had also backed it.


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All I have to say is this; PLEASE vote for Mike Huckabee on Tuesday, South Carolinians. I will be far more entertaining watching Rev. Huckleberry getting his ass handed to him on a paper plate than any of the other Republicans. Romney's too boring, and I'm afraid McCain is not nearly enough of a challenge.

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This is an outrageous lie. By no stretch of the imagination are stem cells "unborn children," and solid majorities of Americans support stem cell research.

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Who is in charge of filing the IRS complaint against Common Sense Issues? They are advocating for the election of a federal candidate. They should have to disclose their donors.

What is the status of the Ohio Democratic Party lawsuit against them?

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Sorry SCians, if you're too f'in stupid to know the difference between a stem cell and zygote (and a zygote and a "child"), then you deserve to bear the brunt of such unmitigated craptastic bullsh$t.

Amazing what the R's will stoop to to win the nomination.

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If they're so worried about all these "unborn children", lets implant a few in your wife and daughters. Then force you to raise all of them.

Now since all these "unborn children" are created at fertility clinics, doesn't that follow that, since they destroy the un-used eggs, we need to outlaw fertility clinics.

Just think of all the unborn children that will be "discarded" as flakes of skin once we can clone. Any cell can then be called an "unborn child". We'll have to arrest all humans for taking a shower!

The logic of these creeps is typical of these goopers.

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JohnJ - at this rate that slippery slope is going I'll be arrested for genocide along with ownership of lewd materials. These people are so sick.

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Well at least he isn't accusing McCain of actually eating them!

Laughing...

Bubba plays by Bubba rules. If your from 'anywhere' but SC then that primary will remain a mystery.

But you have to see two things that SC does in SC style, number one fireworks at New Years, this is positively unlike anything you will see anywhere else, it is a citizen event, where the display rivals anything you have seen, even the DC mall.

The second is politics, they play hardball, forget that national anthem, choir image, in SC they rip off the testicles of their opponents, or claim that she has them, and then do a Rocky Balboa dance after the fact, displaying them joyfully like they do their fireworks.

You just won't 'get it' unless you are on the ground and witness the saturation of ads, and the level of the attacks.

SC is 'use to it' that is the way Bubba is.

Hell even an evangelist at election time will rip off the testicles of an opponent and gleefully display the results. This is how SC does there thing, ain't no show like it on earth.

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As a 53 year old Demo. these trash phone calls should be taken to court. I will not vote to any Republican but if you have a bitch with someone use real facts not lies wraped in a small peble of truth.

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Question to Anonymous...
Then why can't SC play football any better? Is it the players don't have testicles?

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Sad but true, if you don't live in SC you don't understand the stakes of a 'knockout punch' if you vote later....

As long as Huck doesn't say that McCain is 'eating babies' then this is probably palatable by SC standards.

VERY GOOD ARTICLE:

January 17, 2008

In South Carolina, the Campaign Mud Arrived Before Santa

By LESLIE WAYNE

COLUMBIA, S.C. — On the bloody political battlefields of South Carolina, where memories of the brutal attacks on Senator John McCain in 2000 are still fresh, there are already signs of nasty and false attacks against other candidates as the presidential campaigns descend on this state.

Mudslinging in South Carolina began even before Christmas. Nearly 4,000 South Carolinians received bogus Christmas cards purporting to be from Mitt Romney that endorsed polygamy and talked about the “exceedingly fair and white” Virgin Mary.

All the cards were postmarked from South Carolina, but featured a photograph of the Boston Public Garden and said, falsely, that they were being sent by a Mormon temple in Boston.

Then there was PhoneyFred.org, a Web site that featured pictures of Fred D. Thompson in frilly clothes and said that he was “once a pro-choice skirt chaser.” That site was later taken down, after protests from the Thompson campaign.

At the moment, e-mail is flooding into South Carolina — after having appeared in Iowa and New Hampshire — alleging that Senator Barack Obama is Muslim, which he is not, and questioning his patriotism, based on a photograph in which he does not have his hand over his heart as the national anthem is being played.

South Carolina has had a long, and infamous, tradition of hardball political attacks, involving scurrilous allegations and whispering campaigns that, while false, are hard to disprove and politically damaging. With the Republican primary coming on Saturday and the Democratic primary seven days later, mud is in full swing.

Some of these attacks are from identifiable groups, like the ones on Mr. Romney from organizations critical of his position on abortion, which has gone from support to opposition. But others, often scurrilous and personal, float through the Internet and along telephone lines from anonymous sources and are impossible to trace.

On the Democratic side, the most spirited defensive effort is being waged by the Obama campaign after an increase in e-mail falsely stating that Mr. Obama attended a radical Islamic school as a child in Indonesia, and that his parents raised him as a Muslim so he could run for president and subvert the government.

In fact, Mr. Obama is a Christian and attended a nonreligious public school in Indonesia.

B. J. Welborn, a volunteer for Mr. Obama, said that she had recently noticed more comments about Mr. Obama’s supposed Muslim ties when making phone calls on his behalf.

“We don’t know where it is coming from,” Ms. Welborn said. “We have a lot of fact sheets, and we direct people to the Obama Web site. But some people just don’t want to listen.”

The Obama campaign has asked its supporters to forward any e-mail messages they get along these lines to the campaign itself. In turn, the campaign will collect the e-mail addresses of the senders and forward the sender a “fact sheet” to rebut the false claims.

Democrats are learning their lessons from the Swift boat attacks against Senator John Kerry in 2004, when many in the party thought that Democrats were slow and tepid in responding to the attacks.

“We are less concerned about chasing ghosts on the Internet,” said Josh Earnest, a spokesman for the Obama campaign here, “than ensuring that the pernicious attacks don’t gain any credibility with the voting public.”

Among Republicans, Mike Huckabee is a target of attacks from two groups in particular. Perhaps the most emotionally charged attacks are television advertisements from a group called Victims Voice, whose political connections are not known. The spots feature the mother of a young woman who was raped and killed by a convict who was paroled while Mr. Huckabee was governor of Arkansas and whose prison release Mr. Huckabee had agreed to.

The commercials are being broadcast in South Carolina and on the Internet and were shown during a Fox News debate. On them, Lois Davidson, the mother, says, “If not for Mike Huckabee, Wayne Dumond would be in prison and Carol Sue would be with us.”

In addition, the Club for Growth, an antitax group based in Washington that has spent $780,000 so far in anti-Huckabee television spots in primary and caucus states, held a news conference in front of the State Capitol on Wednesday. In it, Dick Armey, the former Republican House majority leader, assailed Mr. Huckabee as a “misguided populist” and not a true conservative.

In response, a planeload of Arkansas businessmen flew here to hold their own news conference to praise Mr. Huckabee and attack the Club for Growth as a tool of the Romney campaign, a charge that the club denies.

Citing donations from Romney supporters to the club, the businessmen issued a news release saying: “What does $585,000 buy you? It bought Mitt Romney backers a smear job against Mike Huckabee orchestrated by Beltway insiders.”

With so many charges and countercharges flying around, Mr. Huckabee’s campaign, like Mr. McCain’s, has even set up a so-called Truth Squad section on its Web site to respond to each attack. As of Wednesday evening, there were 17 responses on the site.

“Any time there is something that is not true,” said Mike Campbell, chairman of the Huckabee campaign in South Carolina, “we go out and put up the actual facts.”

The Romney campaign braced itself for the rough-and-tumble politics of South Carolina by hiring Warren Tompkins, a legendary tough-playing Republican strategist, as its South Carolina adviser. Mr. Tompkins worked for the Bush campaign in South Carolina in 2000 and was often blamed for the anti-McCain smears.

In an interview on Tuesday, he repeated his denial of any involvement in the attacks.

Yet while Mr. Tompkins is no stranger to hardball politics, he counseled the Romney campaign to remain silent when the bogus Christmas cards began circulating in South Carolina.

“He had already made his speech on religion, and the less that was said, the better off he was,” Mr. Tompkins said, from his office with its expansive view of the State Capitol. “If you have a perceived liability, why bring attention to that perceived liability when you have already taken steps to mitigate against it? Not talking about religion was better for us.”

There are signs that South Carolina voters, weary after years of these attacks, may be tuning them out.

“I just don’t like it,” said Donna Watson, a Republican voter from Columbia. “It’s a waste of money. I’m not stupid. I don’t need to be reminded of all this stuff. All of us have skeletons in our closet. Let’s leave them there.”

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Question to Anonymous...

Then why can't SC play football any better? Is it the players don't have testicles?

Ask bubba that at their establishment of 'fine dining' a wafflehaus.

yawn... I was just a visitor

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Please pass the popcorn. This is delightful!

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If Huckabee becomes President I uderstand he will put on sale tickets to the Rapture. I'm gonna try to get some in the front row.

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Whoa, I'll take the SC ribbing but as a USC grad, ripping on our football team is out of bounds.

SC voters may be died in the wool republicans but don't impugn the Gamecocks.

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I so very, very, very much want Huckabee to get the republican nomination. The Dems could run a dead guy and beat this clown.

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Mike Huckabee has no honor.

from a Native South Carolinian.

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Please please let it be Huck. Do these tactics actually work or is it just a SC thing? Thanks Dee Illuminati interesting article.

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Bubba plays by Bubba rules. If your from 'anywhere' but SC then that primary will remain a mystery.

If the polling's correct, Bubba's getting squeezed a bit.

The regionalism of this primary -- I mean regional within SC -- is striking. Huckster hasn't ventured south of Columbia much, sticking to the hyperfundie upstate, and McCain hasn't ventured further north much, staying around Charleston. (John Thune is acting as his surrogate for today's event in Spartanburg.)

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damn, considering the rancid tone of these smears -- and their success -- it certainly says something about the good citizens of south carolina and their gullibility.

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The entire Huckabee campaign is becoming pretty X-rated (for a "christian). Experimenting on unborn children, bestiality - grotesque. There must be something really twisted in peoples' minds to come up with this stuff. And worse, being stupid enough to swallow it.

But, there are a lot of Baptists around...

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Four little words: "Vice President Chuck Norris".

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drubs wrote on January 17, 2008 12:43 PM:

Please please let it be Huck. Do these tactics actually work or is it just a SC thing? Thanks Dee Illuminati interesting article.

Laughing I'm not sure if it works unless you buy into 'group identification' and 'aping behavior.' I would say that it certainly makes defeat more unpleasant.

I think the peer pressure creates a sutuation where when alone and voting that dissonance might arise if one didn't continue wuth the aping behavior irrespective if one believed it or not.

I won't go as far as to say that the inteligence in SC is less, but I would say that it is in the tradition to perform elections in this manner and that if you were from out of state that it would be 'different.'

I guess that there is a tradition of oral story telling, oratory, that fits into this as well, a good story is appreciated, a good story mixed with dirt?? well that is better.

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McCain deserves every bit of it since he made the choice to court the ethically and factually challenged "evangelical" block. McCain is just sorry that the snake that he tried to pick up has bitten him.

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Anonymous wrote on January 17, 2008 12:34 PM:
" The Dems could run a dead guy and beat this clown."

Wasn't it Rummy that got beaten by a dead guy before Chimpy appointed him?

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Maybe someone could pay another push poll to call everyone saying that Huck will rule this country only listening to what God tells him and not listen to the voices in that cesspool in Washington.

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Experiments on unborn children! Cool. Now . . . McCain is the addle-minded, angry, old, white, Rapturian male for me!

Bonus! I'm not going to have to go on a diet for fear getting kicked in the head by Chuck Norris if McCain WINces.

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JohnJ - Actually it was Ashcroft (but nice memory)

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His support for changing the Constitution is not to be believed. What happended to the "strict interpretation of the Constitution"??? Will he take us back to the old testiment? NO we couldn't eat lobster if he did that. How about a camel making it through the eye of a needle before a rich man gets into heaven?

It will have to be selective use of the Bible, otherwise our economy will get even worse. I'm Mike "Hick"abee (you going to eat all the squirrel on your plate?)and I support this message.

It's a circle firing squad in S. Carolina. If "Hick"abee gets beat, you get Grandpa McBush, Trudy Juliani, Close'm up Paul, the cult moron Romney or Cancer Fred. That's not what I call a winning combination anyway you look at it.

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I too hope that the Republican Taliban candidate wins the SC primary. Huckabee is a true fruitcake and it will be a pleasure seeing him debate John, Hillary or Barak. It's fun watching the result of the Repub's constant wooing and pandering of religious fundamentalists turn around and eat them alive.

Religious fundamentalists of ANY stripe (Christian, Islamist, etc.) are dangerous to civilized society.

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judyinnm >"...Experimenting on unborn children, bestiality - grotesque. There must be something really twisted in peoples' minds to come up with this stuff...."

Just their twisted desires projected onto others cause ya know anyone that thinks like that ain`t gonna make the Rapture Express when it comes along so they gotta convince themselves it`s someone else putting that stuff in their little ole heads

Land o`Satan if there ever was one

"Eventually, the truth will emerge. And when it does, this house of cards, built of deceit, will fall." - Robert C. Byrd

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That all this religious hokum pokum can exist in today's world is sickening. Someday maybe we can get past it and live in a rational world.

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