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Sometimes White Boxes Are Just White Boxes

For the record:

The small, boxlike objects dropped in the water by Iranian boats as they approached U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf on Sunday posed no threat to the American vessels, U.S. officials said yesterday, even as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff charged that the incident reflects Iran's new tactics of asymmetric warfare.

After passing the white objects, commanders on the USS Port Royal and its accompanying destroyer and frigate decided there was so little danger from the objects that they did not bother to radio other ships to warn them, the officials said.

At least now a more complete picture of what happened one week ago in the Strait of Hormuz has developed. The Iranian speedboats maneuvered aggressively, dropped white boxes in the water, and a menacing threat was heard over the radio, so the initial alarmed reaction of Naval commanders was certainly reasonable. But commanders apparently quickly determined that the boxes weren't mines or any other kind of threat, and the radio transmission likely came from a prankster. And it took a week for that to become clear.


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Seems a bit similar to reports we used to hear of US and USSR ships and planes feinting at each other in the Mediterranean. It should be expected that each side will try to test each others defenses and responses as part of its training and patrolling.

The US seems to be looking for any excuse to start shooting. Their response when UK sailors were detained by Iran near Basra was similarly unfounded.

It may be that we've come to the point where one nut on a CB radio can start a major war. Heckuva job.

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Seems a bit similar to reports we used to hear of US and USSR ships and planes feinting at each other in the Mediterranean. It should be expected that each side will try to test each others defenses and responses as part of its training and patrolling.

The US seems to be looking for any excuse to start shooting. Their response when UK sailors were detained by Iran near Basra was similarly unfounded.

It may be that we've come to the point where one nut on a CB radio can start a major war. Heckuva job.

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Of course they just let the fact that there were white boxes in the water go. Didn't notify anyone about that. They close burger joints for suspicious cans of vegetables donated to food drives, they don't panic when warships have things thrown at them. Makes sense, hm?
The ships would have done a major response to something like that, unless it is commonplace for the Iranian navy to do that? If it is common, then this was nothing more than a common event?

folks, they think we'll believe anything.

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We still have 372 days of this shit left.

Goddamn leap year.

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>And it took a week for that to become clear.

...for the 500-1,000 American's that have bothered to follow up on this story.

The other 300 million feel that we are attacked, or at the very least, seriously endangered by Iran.

And oldtree is right. It's like the Boston Police Department is now in charge of our national security. And the Iranians are dropping Lite-Brights in the Strait of Hormuz

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BlueinTexas - Don't joke, Meatwad is a existential threat to national security!

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Our mighty navy needs to stock up on Boston Whalers and cigarette boats - and to recruit some guys experienced at tow-in surfing.

How many jet skis could we buy for the price of one aircraft carrier ?

Republican primary voters will think we were in danger from these speed boats.

Is our nation motivated mainly by fear and hatred ?

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This whole event reminds me of when I used to teach 3rd and 4th grade. It's like the kid that wants to get another kid in trouble and comes tattling to the teacher. The level of bushco an cheneydom is getting more and more ridiculous. No more can they get us riled up with their tattling tales.

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cnn.com/2008/TECH/01/13/seals.new.boat.ap/index.html

nytimes.com/2008/01/12/washington/12navy.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

I wonder if there are smaller versions of craft such as these that can be outfited to challenge much larger craft?

I also see no menton of the size of these boxes?

A Koolatron 12 Volt Microwave/Inverter, with a battery, in a styrafoam cooler, could with an open door and running provide a decoy that Aegis would assume was a threat.

In the heat of massed missile strikes on Belgrade and Yugoslavian air defense radar positions in the spring of 1999, the telephone rang one night in a St. Petersburg apartment.

It was the chairman of the radio club of Yugoslavia, Khranislav Milocevic. Valentin Kashinov answered. The Yugoslav described the great destruction and casualties caused by strikes of NATO aircraft, "HARM" air-to-ground missiles, and Tomahawk cruise missiles. Milocevic asked for help in fending off these bombardments. Valentin Vladimirovich immediately inquired if they had any microwave ovens. This was followed by a puzzled silence, and then: "Of course!" Kashinov advised that they get some ordinary microwave ovens and aim them upwards, with doors open, around an installation they wanted to protect, and then turn them on. Khranislav understood at once. The fact was that an American HARM missile would home in on any strong source of radio emission in the 400-10,000 MHz range, exactly the range of conventional household microwave ovens. Literally the next day following this conversation, NATO forced bombed their own embassies in Belgrade.

NATO pilots were fooled, and bombed microwave ovens instead of Serbian tanks for nearly half the time of the air attacks.

According to a British officer who spent six months in the region and offered his own assessment of bombing damage, the Serbs lured the NATO planes using household microwave ovens to simulate the emissions of armored transport systems.

The NATO propaganda machine initially announced that more than 100 tanks, 250 APCs, and 389 cannon had been destroyed. These damage figures have since been revised, since independent observers found only 13 tanks knocked out. As it turned out, the same targets were targeted (and destroyed) repeatedly by different pilots.

A NATO officer who gave an anonymous interview to the British Herald stated that only three tanks were found. "The Serbs use a lot of tricks to elude NATO bombs. The use of microwave ovens from houses in Kosovo to thumb their noses at the alliance was only one of their ruses."

I guess I can understand an annoyance with the manner that the news handled the story, but to claim that there was no threat based on the news that was reported was absurd.

Also, the generalization that small craft cannot be a threat is simply not true, in combination 'specifically' in the straights, these craft are the 'expected' threat.

Blame the MSM and Not the Navy

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What I have not seen is how close our ships were to Iranian territorial water. It is my understanding that our ships were not in Iranian water, but very close to encroaching on Iran's waters. If Iran sent thier ships to within a few miles of U.S. land, we would sink them. Iran's behavior seems to be pretty restrained in my opinion.

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Dee Illuminati wrote on January 14, 2008 3:08 PM:
"A Koolatron 12 Volt Microwave/Inverter, with a battery, in a styrafoam cooler, could with an open door and running provide a decoy that Aegis would assume was a threat."

Thanks for the tip, Dee Illuminati!
Very interesting indeed!
One silly question, however, how do you manage to turn the oven on, so it can emit microwaves, if the door is open?
Of all of the brands I've seen, none will start until you close the door.

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Anonymous wrote on January 14, 2008 4:09 PM:

Very interesting indeed!
One silly question, however, how do you manage to turn the oven on, so it can emit microwaves, if the door is open?
Of all of the brands I've seen, none will start until you close the door.

I would imagine some chewing gum and a disposable cell phone would work.

Of course you need an IQ higher than room temperature and some genuine idea of the real threats that the USN is confonted with in that region.

There are waters around the globe where piracy is still an issue: here are the statistics from 2007

PIRACY FLOURISHES IN 2007
Wednesday, 09 January 2008

REPORTED piracy incidents worldwide increased by 10% in 2007, according to the latest annual report from the ICC International Maritime Bureau. This was first increase since 2003 and was also accompanied by a marked climb in the level of violence against crew members. Five seafarers were murdered and three are still listed as missing.

There were 263 reported attacks on ships in 2007, compared to 239 in 2006, according to statistics compiled by the IMB Piracy Reporting Centre (PRC) in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Last year 18 vessels were hijacked, up from 14 in 2006 while 292 crew members were held hostage on their vessels compared to 188 in 2006 and 63 were kidnapped and taken off their ships.

The IMB notes: “The nature of the attacks indicates that the pirates and robbers boarding the vessels are better armed and they have shown no hesitation in assaulting and injuring the crew. Guns were confirmed to have been used in 72 incidents an increase of 35% over the past year. The total number of crew assaulted and injured is 64 as compared to 17 in 2006. The majority of these incidents have occurred off the Somali coastline.

Commenting on the latest figures, IMB director, Pottengal Mukundan said: “The significant increase in the numbers can be directly attributed to the increase in the incidents in Nigeria and Somalia. These two countries account for 42 and 31 of the 2007 figures respectively compared with 12 and 10 attacks in 2006.”

He added: “Nigeria and Somalia give the greatest cause for concern. Indonesia has in fact seen a continued downturn in the number of reported incidents and many of the attacks are low level crimes aimed at theft from the vessel. Credit for this goes to the Indonesian authorities for the positive action taken in reducing the number of incidents. Unlike the attacks that occur throughout the Indonesian archipelago, the majority of the attacks in Nigeria would appear to be much more concentrated in a few hotspots. Thirty-five vessels have been boarded in Nigeria with 25 attacks in Lagos alone. The attacks and kidnappings in the Delta region are done under the banner “political” movements.”

According to the IMB, Somalia has seen the highest number of hostages taken, 154 in 11 hijackings. The IMB says that the “recent intervention of the international community and the coalition naval forces may prove to be the only way forward in controlling the pirates who have operated with impunity in these waters until recently”.

“On a more positive note,” Capt Mukundan says, “authorities in Bangladesh should be applauded for the reduction in the number of attacks from 47 in 2006 to 15 in 2007. Likewise the number of reported incidents in the Malacca Straits continues to be on the decrease for the third successive year – a good example of co-operation between the states to tackle the problem.”

He also emphasizes the need for greater reporting of attacks as this will lead to a more accurate evaluation of the problem saying: “Only then can governments take effective steps to counter the problems.”

My closing point is this, if you look at the nature of piracy and assualts upon larger vessels you see a distinct trend where maritime vesels are at threat.

I'm assuming you have no experience in blue water navigation, but when you hail another vesel you acknowledge them out of a safety purpose, to acknowledge that you are aware of any 'threat' that they pose via navigation and as a deterent to their assumption that you are vulberable to attack.

It is 'provoking' an incident to approach a vesel in international water unless you have requested assistance, in which case it is a generalization that a properly identified craft, receive it.

But you can be fired upon by merchant vessels for getting to close and they also do so for security reasons.

If I'm approached in troubled waters by a vessel that I hail in English, warn off by radio, I will point a gun and shoot to protect myself where there is no recourse to policing.

I would not 'provoke' an incident and follow customs of international law and not approach another vessel to create a circumstance where one or the other is threatened.

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APISHAPA wrote on January 14, 2008 3:20 PM:

If Iran sent thier ships to within a few miles of U.S. land, we would sink them. Iran's behavior seems to be pretty restrained in my opinion.

I have to point out for the sake of illustration that Cuba and the USA are about 100 miles from one another. And during the cold war the norms of international maritime navigation prevailed.


At 7 p.m. October 22, President Kennedy delivered a televised address announcing the discovery of the installations. He proclaimed that the United States would "...regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the Western Hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response..." He also placed a naval quarantine on Cuba to prevent further Soviet shipments of military weapons from arriving there.

The following day all non-essential personnel were evacuated from Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, and the U.S. military was put on world-wide DEFCON 3 alert. Later that day the Organization of American States unanimously supported the decision to quarantine Cuba, and by the end of the day, 180 U.S. Navy ships were prepared for the blockade.

However, Khrushchev claimed that the blockade was illegal and ordered ships to bypass the quarantine. This became known to U.S. officials on the night of October 23 at a civil function in Washington, D.C. Lieutenant General Vladimir Dubovik made several comments that suggested that they would ignore the blockade, and when Ambassador Dobrynin arrived later he did not refute the account. A statement by Telegraph Agency of the Soviet Union (TASS) claimed that U.S. ships would be attacked in response to any attack on Soviet shipping.[3]

The blockade went into effect at 10 a.m. on October 24. At the time, nineteen ships were en-route to Cuba from the Soviet Union. Sixteen of these were clearly identified as reversing course, and only the tanker Bucharest continued towards the U.S. lines. The other two, the Gagarin and Komiles were later discovered only a few miles from the U.S. lines, and they were being escorted by a Soviet submarine positioned between the two ships. The USS Essex group was instructed to block the progress of the submarine and was authorized to use "small explosives" if necessary. At 10:25 a.m. John McCone received an intelligence message and announced that the ships had gone dead in the water. Dean Rusk leaned over to McGeorge Bundy and noted "We're eyeball to eyeball, and I think the other fellow just blinked."[3]

The point is this, approaching another craft in international water is defined as an act of agression.

While the media did sensationalize the issue, nonetheless Iran bears a responsibility in international waters to avoid creating an incident that could lead to escalation of conflict.

I'm just a bit irritated that the blame America first crowd wants to exonerate the Iranian acts, when the approaching of the craft were a clearly understood provocation by both parties.

I mean you can swim from Cuba to the United States, and all during the cold war, and for close to 60 years, by following the tradition of maritime law the two nations have avoided conflict.

I feel if this had been a psyops job, it was damn poor. I see it as yet another wild-eyed exageration by FAUX news that the other MSM as bottom feeders jumped upon, and was really exploited by FAUX in the SC GOP debate.

I didn't see a lucid response from the candidates with the exception of John McCain and thought that Fred Thompson more dangerous than Ron Paul with his remarks.

But lets not suddenly imagine that Iran didn't understand fully their behavior in the event, or ascribe benevolence to them when it isn't warranted. What they did was calculated, dangerous, and just as irresponsible as some of the responses from the GOP in the SC debate.

As a sidebar:

FORT TAYLOR BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- Australian distance swimmer Susie Maroney wearily stepped ashore at Key West, Florida, Monday afternoon, the first person to swim the 112-mile Florida Straits from Cuba to the United States.

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Warships are armed with guns (hence, "war"). Guns that can shoot at objects floating in the water. With impunity (even white objects). If the objects explode, well, that's very serious. If they sink or blown to smithereens, not so much.

I should have joined the Navy. With my grasp of tactics, I could have retired an admiral.

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JW wrote on January 14, 2008 8:06 PM:

Did the Navy overstate this?

Or did Faux?

w.newshounds.us/2008/01/10/fox_news_chickenhawks_regret_strait_of_hormuz_incident_didnt_turn_into_armed_conflict.php

Watch the video, who hyped this crap, not the Navy, if anything they have been setting the story straight all week long.

I find the conspiracy theory of Naval commanders plotting to support GOP talking points funny.

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"I find the conspiracy theory of Naval commanders plotting to support GOP talking points funny".

I'm familiar with the chain of command.

It's called going for a laugh.

Unsuccessfully, apparently.

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