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Mukasey: No, I Will Not Investigate Warrantless Wiretapping

The Justice Department will not investigate whether CIA agents engaged in torture by waterboarding detainees, Attorney General Michael Mukasey said earlier.

Ditto goes for the administration's warrantless wiretapping program, Mukasey added later, when asked by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) whether he would appoint a special counsel to investigate.

The question came after Mukasey had baldly asserted that it was not a "practical view" that the president could order someone to act outside the law. Nadler wanted to know if the president hadn't done just that with his warrantless wiretapping program, which had ignored the constraints of FISA.

Well, Mukasey said, the President had ordered that on the advice of the Justice Department that it was lawful. So, just as he will not initiate an investigation of waterboarding since the DoJ had given its OK, he will also not investigate whether the warrantless wiretapping was lawful, since it was legal, because the DoJ said it was ("there are views on both sides of that" he acknowledged).

Mukasey also went back to correct his statement during last week's hearing that he "didn't know" if the President had ordered the warrantless wiretapping outside the law. Silly me, he said, of course it was legal -- it was authorized by the DoJ.

Update: Here's the video:

Now you know why Jack Goldsmith, the former chief of the DoJ's Office of Legal Counsel, said that OLC has the power to issue “free get-out-of jail cards,” or "advance pardons" with its opinions.

Update: Here's the transcript:

NADLER: Mr. Attorney General, I was interested to hear you say a moment ago that if the president ordered someone to do something against the clear intent of Congress, that's outside the law.

The FISA act said a person is guilty of an offense if he intentionally, one, engages in electronic surveillance under the color of law, except as authorized by statute.

Now, the president admitted that he did that. Every 45 days he signed an authorization to direct the surveillance of people in the United States without a warrant as required by the FISA act.

Now, I had previously asked your predecessor, Attorney General Gonzales, given this apparent prima facie case that the president and people under him, including the prior attorney general, engaged in felonious conduct by doing so, that he appoint a special counsel to investigate the warrantless surveillance of Americans.

And I recently reiterated that request to you.

Now in your testimony before the Senate last week, you responded to Senator Leahy's questions on whether the president violated the law by authorizing wireless surveillance by stating that you, quote, "don't know whether the president acted in violation of statutes," unquote, including FISA.

I believe we need to know the answer: Did the president, with, as has been reported, the advice of the Justice Department, break the law?

I believe the answer is clear that he did.

Given the extraordinary circumstances involved, allegations of criminal conduct by the president and other high-ranking officials and the possibility of conflict at the Justice Department, will you now agree to appoint outside special counsel so that we finally will get an answer to this question?

MUKASEY: The direct answer to your question is no, I will not.

NADLER: Because?

MUKASEY: Beg pardon?

NADLER: Because?

MUKASEY: Because -- because there is one detail that was omitted, and it may very well have been my fault in saying I didn't know when I'd forgotten or overlooked.

There was in place an order -- I'm sorry, an opinion of the Justice Department describing the legal basis for the program to which you refer. That included the authorization of the use of military force, as a congressional statute on which it was relied that that behavior was legal.

I understand that there are views on both sides of that -- strong ones.

NADLER: Well, there are views -- let's put it this way: The Supreme Court in the Hamdan case, in a case just about directly on point, ruled that -- for reasons I'm not going to get into now, we don't have time in five minutes -- that the use of the two excuses by the Justice Department, namely the president's inherent powers under Article II and the authorization for the use of military force as justification, was not, in fact, justification. The president is still bound by the law. The law was not repealed by implication by the AUMF and that that's not sufficient.

Now, the Justice Department, in a letter to congressman -- to congressman, excuse me -- to Senator Schumer recited these letters as a refutation by a host of constitutional scholars against that.

My second question, then, when this is -- on behalf of the Justice Department, in effect representing the president, although a step removed, you say that this is justified, that it's not illegal, for the reasons stated.

NADLER: Lots of other people say it's clearly illegal.

Normally, we would have that settled in a court. A court would decided whether something's legal or not when there's a dispute.

But when you attempt to get this into court -- you can't get it into court by prosecution, because you're not going to prosecute or appoint the special counsel. But when you attempt to get it into court by victims or alleged victims, plaintiffs suing in civil court, then the government comes out and says, "Oh, you can't get into court alleging violation of your rights through violation of FISA because of the state secrets privilege."

So now you've set up a situation where the president and the attorney general assert the president's right to do something which seems to a lot of people to a lot of people to be a violation of law and there is no way of checking that.

In other words, there's no way of getting -- well, let me ask you a different question. Under this, is there any way -- and would you agree that the state secrets privilege has to yield because otherwise there is no way for Congress or the courts or anybody to have any check on the president's claimed power?

MUKASEY: The state secrets privilege -- just to answer the last question first -- the state secrets privilege is invoked by the government and backup is provided for its invocation.

To my knowledge, that backup has been sustained...

(CROSSTALK)

NADLER: Well, the state secrets privilege has often been used where there's no backup provided, simply an affidavit.

Would you agree that where the state asserts state privilege -- state secrets, that the court ought to be provided with information in order to rule on the validity of the state secrets privilege?

MUKASEY: The court can be provided with and is provided with information relating to the invocation of the state secrets privilege and an explanation of the basis for it, and to rule on that basis.

NADLER: But the court often rules with -- simply on an affidavit without seeing the documents to judge for itself whether they deserve -- whether they would threaten national security were they revealed.

Would you agree that the court ought to see that and make that decision?

MUKASEY: I believe that courts see affidavits in some cases, affidavits and documents in others, and have what they consider to be an ample basis because they rule on that basis for a ruling.

MUKASEY: Sometimes things are quite clear.

NADLER: And sometimes they're not.

MUKASEY: And sometimes they're not.

NADLER: And, lastly, we have heard hearings in this committee on rendition -- on so-called extraordinary rendition. On the Maher Arar case we're going to hold further hearings.

Would you -- and we've been told that we got assurances from Syria that Mr. Arar would not be tortured when he was sent there, which of course proved not to be true.

Would you commit or agree that upon request, which will be forthcoming, that you will send someone from the department for a hearing here to answer the questions, "Who obtained these assurances? From whom were they obtained? What assurances were given?" so that we can get to the -- begin to get to the bottom of this rather horrendous case?

MUKASEY: It's my understanding that some of this has been the subject of classified briefings to various members of this committee and other committees.

It's also my understanding -- and this is based on an exchange of notes between us and Canada that became public, not because of anything that anybody wanted to do voluntarily -- that Mr. Arar is still on the no-fly list.

NADLER: Yes, he is; improperly so, in my opinion.

MUKASEY: Beg pardon?

NADLER: I've seen...

CONYERS: The gentleman's time may have expired.

NADLER: Let me just say, I've seen the confidential documents. He shouldn't be on the no-fly list. But we have not heard about the assurances from Syria, even on a classified basis. We need to know that.


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So much for Mukasey being a breathe of fresh air in the DOJ, as wasa told to us by none other then Schumer in the runup to the nomination non-fight..

Makes me sick..What are our choices now. Wait until we (Democrats) are in the whitehouse before we can really fix this or at least punish the guilty?

Thanks alot for allowing this jerkhole to be our AG, Senator Schumer!

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As much as I disagree with McCain on the Iraq War, if he is able to defeat Clinton/Obama in November, he is steadfast against using waterboarding. He is unequivocal that waterboarding is torture and other "close calls" the Bush and Cheney have defended won't exist in a McCain administration. He has also stated publicly that GITMO should be closed.

I still will not support him because of his Iraq stance (along with his conservative views on health care), but there are some positive outcomes if he is able to find a way to upset the Democrats.

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Why do we even bother with Congress at this point. They do anything except sit on their asses and collect their government checks.
Hell, they should just stay home and be welfare moms.

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Has anybody tried calling Schumer to see if he still thinks Mukasey is a big bucket of flowers? He should be pushed on this.

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Pathetic. CUT OFF FUNDING NOW!!!!! All this blabbering is a waste of time. Just cut off funding. Criminal and War crimes trials in 09. Let's get on with it.

Slippery slope, meet Judge Mukasey...

I believe there was a line of questioning at his confirmation that delved into whether the president was bound by statutes or if he could make it up as he goes along. Now we know.

So what are the checks and balances for an OLC ruling? Can an OLC lawyer sanction a war crime or really any otherwise illegal action the executive branch so desired?

We are truly a shining light upon the hill...

Why don't the Dems vote no confidence in Mukasey as well? Can't lawyers for the three detainees sue the OLC for attempting to legalize a war crime?

The Bradbury Defense," If the OLC/DOJ says it's legal then it's not a crome, doesn't matter that I ordered them to say it" sign GW Bush.

Conyers says Ok, well then let's just start over...bastard, file the Articles of Impeachment!

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I will remember this the next time that clown Schumer sends me an email asking me to give to the DSCC. We have Mukasey because the Dem leadership has no spine, just like we'll give immunity to the telcoms . . . .

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Conyers says Ok, well then let's just start over...bastard, file the Articles of Impeachment!
Start with Cheney, with Bush in the on deck circle.

Do you think Mukasey is intimidated by Jerrold Nadler? Nadler follows the party line that whatever Bush and Cheney do they should not face impeachment hearings. Nadler only cares about electing Hillary Clinton. He doesn't hear the growing number of his own constituents who want impeachment hearings. Check out www.AskNadler2impeach.org

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Again, we must ask where is our Congress? The Congres needs to defend their constituents from these attacks on our Judicial system. Our laws were made in a kind of good spirit. They are not to be taken away without a fight from our Represenatives. Congress must enforce subpoenas and get some truth out in the open.
We as a people cannot survive if our laws cannot be enforced by the person who is the so called enforcer.

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Yesterday, regarding the Democrats' resolve not to confirm Bradbury, I wrote:

"It is essential that the WH retain Bradbury in the position. The whole issue of the "legality" of enhanced interrogation rests on it."

Mukasey vindicated me in his testimony. Putting in another OLC could be as dangerous for the Admin as allowing an independent investigation into the approval for enhanced interrogation and warrantless wiretapping.

They need to draw out the status quo for as long as possible. If they can forestall any investigations (or oversight) until Bush is out of office, so much the better for them.

I'm of the opinion that all of these collaborators are bought and paid for. I'm expecting a mass exodus of the whole lot of them to Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, or another Bush-Cheney-friendly country on January 21.

Someone needs to ask Mukasey if he things that OLC opinions can over rule case law. The United states procuted Japanese Soldgers after world war 2 for waterboarding. The OLC legal opinion is in direct contradiction to established case law.

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Not recognized by the TPM system once again. 3:09's comment was mine, The Facilitatrix.

Let's remember who were the KEY Democratic Senatorial votes in FAVOR of Mukasey's approval from the Senate Judiciary Committee:

Charles Schummer
Diane Feinstein

Neither one of these people demonstrated much strength of spine when it has come down to key issues. Maybe Schummer gets his mug in front of th etelevision cammeras more often and Feinstein is better known for mono-colored clothing choices. other than cartilege for a backboneany semblance of a spine when they emerged from the primordial ooze.

Where Hillary Clinton is Mr. Mukasey's conduct?

In California, DiFi has been an anthema to Progressive, siding with Republicans and voting to eschew accountability when it came down to crunch time. Seems like DiFi shared more in common with Sen. Lieberman and others than the progressive agenda.

And by the way, Sen. Feinstein and Lieberman have other traits in common with Sen. Clinton - their Iraq War voting history.

We just need to keep in mind that warantless wiretapping is still a debatable issue. There are many pro's and con's to consider before we take a stand.

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