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Mukasey's Paradox
Jonathan Turley, professor of law at George Washington, writing today in The Los Angeles Times:
The recent decisions of Atty. Gen. Michael B. Mukasey to block any prosecution of Bush administration officials for contempt and to block any criminal investigation of torture led to a chorus of criticism. Many view the decisions as raw examples of political manipulation of the legal process and overt cronyism. I must confess that I was one of those crying foul until I suddenly realized that there was something profound, even beautiful, in Mukasey's action.In his twisting of legal principles, the attorney general has succeeded in creating a perfect paradox. Under Mukasey's Paradox, lawyers cannot commit crimes when they act under the orders of a president -- and a president cannot commit a crime when he acts under advice of lawyers....
When reduced to its purest form, Mukasey's Paradox is that government officials cannot violate the law -- but that because executive privilege is also a law, it's sometimes necessary to violate the law in order to uphold the law.





Comments (20)
Turley,
As usual, you are spot on. Unfortunately, I, and many others, had already realized this paradox-- hence the sick feeling we all experienced during the comedic congressional hearings we've been subjected to.
I will rely on others to research this "paradox" as I am a bumbling fool when it comes to archive searches (I am over forty, and despite my picture I rarely come off as intelligent in these posts).
Turley, I love ya brother. Stop in sometime and we'll fill you in on the details.
March 4, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Turley should be careful, people might take him seriously. The mind reels when reading this non-sense from the Nixon and Nazi eras:
Let's dispense with the non-sense that "just because a lawyers said something" that it's lawful. No, the Nazi lawyers were prosecuted for making the same argument. If you would like to read more about this, it's called the Nuremberg Justice Trial where legal "experts" like Mukasey were prosecuted.
The Nazi lawyers argued for the final solution or Holocaust. That "argument" proved frivolous, illegal, and contrary to human rights. Enough of this non-sense!
1. Executive privilege cannot lawfully hide evidence of illegal conduct, especially when the conduct is a public act; and the President has openly admitted to those illegal acts.
2. The flaws with the Mukasey comments related to executive privilege are outlined here.
3. Lawyers, when they make frivolous legal arguments, can be attached to the subsequent illegal activity. There is no merit to any assertion that, "A lawyer said so, so it's legal."
4. Executive privilege is not a "law," it is a judicially-recognized privilege that the court can deny/not recognize, especially when that privilege is abused, as is the case here. The assertion of executive privilege is one that the President must make, and not one that anyone can assert to shield them from other inquiry.
5. The Nixon era reminds us that the White House counsel does not work for the President, but the United States. The real attorney-client privilege is not between the WH Counsels office and the President; but between the President and his personal legal counsel.
March 4, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
The questions remains:
What kind of a jackass takes the job of the highest law enforcement officer in the land to see to it that no laws are enforced.... how many millions did he get? Why would any person do that unless they have something profound to gain.
And of course, why would Democrats fall for the same phony confirmation scam over and over and over and over and over... unless they, Shumer and whoever else fell for the Mukasey con job are getting something of value.
This is the best Government bribes can buy.
I don't buy that this crap happens because of naivety or party ideology -- lots of people are getting bought off...
Someone needs to start asking about payoffs to congress persons and press people, just to get their reactions on camera... what a corrupt system!!!!
March 4, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Part of the answer as to why Congress rubber stamped his nomination/confirmation as AG is so they could argue: We've quickly restored the Justice Department leadership, as Leahy
said:
The problem is when the AG helps to shroud the illegal activity, refused to respond to Congressional efforts to check the Executive, and adds to the damage this President and Congress are doing. The Senate appears naive when Leahy says:
Gonzalez II as new DOJ AG isn't change.
March 4, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It doesn't matter what his "reasons" are for doing this; it's evidence of an oath of office violation. The oath is to enforce the Constitution, without any mental reservation.
Yes, the State AGs may prosecute the DOJ AG for refusing to preserve the guarantees to the States: An enforcement mechanism.
March 4, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Ignorance of the law is no defence" has been an established legal principle for a long time.
It makes you wonder that kind of fecal matter floats between White House counsel's ears.
And the unfounded sophistry of Mukasey!
What a bunch of great ...
March 4, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Certainly is an exciting time to be alive, eh?
Hats-off to all the assholes out there that made it all possible (I'm smiling at you, Bush voter!)
Alas, there is always the will and power of the people--or even the individual to even the score. I'm sure our hero will emerge.
March 4, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mukasey Paradox solution:
- Impeach Mukasey
March 4, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Electricphoto brings up a very good point: What do Shumer and Feinstein think about this toadie - for whom they vouched, remember - spitting in our face and defiantly telling us he simply won't enforce the law? What do the ranking Democrats intend to do about that, if anything? That's the crappiest thing about our New Empire: Nobody feels a need to tell the peasants a damn thing.
March 4, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rather than Turley making a cute editorial, without mentioning "what do we do," I would prefer he spent time addressing:
Turley's written on this:
Turley does not appear to have responded on his blog to requests that he comment on prosecuting a sitting VP, President, or AG outside Congress outside impeachment.
I wish Prof Turley would use his editorial clout, and ability to get editorial published in high profile newspapers to outline how a sitting President, VP, or DOJ AG can be prosected at the state level; and discuss the legal basis for a town in Vermont to indict a sitting President. The problem is the Vermont town's clerk incorrectly stated that this indictment was "outside" their jurisdiction. Turley might have used his editorializing to correct the Town Clerk, and open the hearts and minds of the State AGs.
Prof Turley's editorializing isn't help solve the problem, but merely states what is self-evident: There is no legal basis for the DOJ AG's legal assertions. The time to make this argument is before a court during a prosecution, not isolating it to an editorial. Let's get the DOJ AG prosecuted by the State AGs using the method Turley outlined at the his article cited above. Until then, DoJ OPR has fair warning that it needs to expand its review of the DOJ AG.
March 4, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
In his twisting of legal principles, the attorney general has succeeded in creating a perfect paradox. Under Mukasey's Paradox, lawyers cannot commit crimes when they act under the orders of a president -- and a president cannot commit a crime when he acts under advice of lawyers....
When reduced to its purest form, Mukasey's Paradox is that government officials cannot violate the law -- but that because executive privilege is also a law, it's sometimes necessary to violate the law in order to uphold the law
it is curious but in what sense is it a PARADOX in the logical sense. Maybe I have to drink another cup of coffee to unravel the parados. In a typical paradox something is true iff it is false. This doesn't fit that pattern I think
March 4, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not; Turley's pulled a fast one, to wit:
Under Mukasey's Paradox, lawyers cannot commit crimes when they act under the orders of a president -- and a president cannot commit a crime when he acts under advice of lawyers.
Mukasey was saying that lawyers could not be charged criminally because the president ordered them to commit the act -- and that the president could not be charged criminally because lawyers told him he could do it.
The word "lawyers" has different content as it moves from the beginning to the end of the sentence. At first, it means persons who hold a license to practice a profession*; in the second, it means counselors-at-law whose advice may, under certain circumstances, immunize or protect a client who follows that advice. Two quite different kettle of fish and in no sense equivalences and thus, no paradox.
*Note: Congress doesn't seek to hold them in contempt because they're lawyers but because they are witnesses who have failed to answer a summons.
March 5, 2008 1:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is too clever by half. We are toying with sophistical notions, but the catalogue of crimes of the Administration is long:
Displaying contempt for new laws it dislikes through the use of signing statements.
Approving and carrying out torture which resulted in the deaths of prisoners.
Invading a country which posed no threat to the U.S., then issuing one pretext after another for staying.
Conducting extremely broad illegal surveillance of American communications.
Destroying the independence of Department of Justice prosecutors; requiring the DOJ to improperly prosecute Democrats because they are Democrats and to level baseless charges of voter fraud.
The list goes on and on.
Now tell me, should we waste more time on academic pursuits, or are we going to insist that Mr. Bush be brought to justice?
March 5, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mukasey wrote to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that [Bolton and Miers'] refusal to testify could not be a crime because the president ordered them not to testify under executive privilege. Jonathan Turley LAT 3/04/2008
Sounds correct to me. What's the problem?
1. Congress can send out its police force and arrest the two and put them on bread and water in the basement of the Sam Rayburn building, or
2. Congress can impeach and try the person responsible for trampling on its Constitutional power.
Ball's in your court Congresspersons!
March 5, 2008 12:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
1. Bush applies the "scooter" rule, pardons away the criminal contempt of congress beef. (query is thee a residual coercive contempt power similar to grand jury incarceration for life of grand jury for recalcitrant witness? I think not.)
2. Apparantly beyond the ability of the institution to muster as a defense of its prerogatives. How sad. The ball in their court appears to be the only example of the balls genre around.
March 5, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not law!! He isn't dazzling you with brilliance! He is baffling you with bullshit. He is a political hack pure and simple. It is a lawless administration with more criminals than the James gang and Capone's put together.
March 5, 2008 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are they getting bought off or blackmailed?
Cheney began data mining the internet long before 9/11... wonder why???
March 5, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Impeach Mukasey.
His statements regarding the protection of illegal acts are sufficient for a House impeachment, and a conviction in the Senate.
It's never too late to drive corruption out of the governmnet.
St John is Little Shrubbies newest and tightest BFF. Link the overarching corruption of Little Shrubbie and the Big Dick to St John. Even Kucinich could win that race in a landslide.
Impeach Muckasey.
March 5, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Impeach Mukasey.
His statements regarding the protection of illegal acts are sufficient for a House impeachment, and a conviction in the Senate.
It's never too late to drive corruption out of the governmnet.
St John is Little Shrubbies newest and tightest BFF. Link the overarching corruption of Little Shrubbie and the Big Dick to St John. Even Kucinich could win that race in a landslide.
Impeach Muckasey.
March 5, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm confused as to why any of us expect that a congress full of "representatives" who think they have the authority to repeal Constitutional provisions by simply legislatng them away, would do anything about any high crimes & misdemeanors being committed by the executive branch. They are all complicit.
Our only salvation will have to come from the States. That's where we need to start putting pressure; after all, amending the Constitution is a function of the States, not Congress. Maybe all the states need to start suing for THEIR (an our) rights.
March 5, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink