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Board Members from Robo Calling Nonprofit Criticize Effort, But Vouch for Group
Today, two more board members from Women's Voices Women's Vote have released statements offering support of the group, which apologized yesterday for its misleading and illegal robo calls to North Carolina residents.
The first is president of USAction William McNary, who in apparent response to the reported myriad connections between the group and the Clinton campaign, makes a point of saying that he's an Obama supporter while vouching for the group. The voter registration campaign, he says, was a "mistake," but not a "malicious" one.
And John Podesta, President Bill Clinton's former chief of staff and currently the president of the Center for American Progress, has sent us this statement:
Women's Voices. Women Vote has a strong record of registering disenfranchised people so that they can participate in the political process. As a board member, I was aware of the general parameters of the group's voter registration program, but not the details of its execution. With respect to the calls and mailings made in North Carolina, I understand that remedial action is being undertaken. I agree with fellow board member William McNary that the North Carolina state calling program was a mistake of judgment and execution, and not an attempt to disenfranchise voters, and have been assured by Page Gardner, President of WVWV, that the organization will conduct a full and prompt accounting of the circumstances of the voter registration program for its board of directors.
Yesterday Tim Lux, another board member, made a similar statement.
Meanwhile, here's what the Obama campaign had to say about it:
Bob Bauer, an attorney for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign, said the calls were "extremely disturbing" and fit "the classic model of voter suppression" by sowing confusion just before the May 6 primary.But he stopped short of saying the calls were designed to discourage voters.
"They have said it's inadvertent, and I understand it will not happen again," he said.













The key response will come from the North Carolina Attorney General after his investigation. Is the NC press covering this story at all?
May 1, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm looking forward to the "perp walk." Messing with our ability to vote deserves serious consequences.
May 1, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of apologies but nobody has yet fingered the telemarketer who was hired to make the calls. Why?
Because the telemarketer was probably a company called Integral Resources.
And Integral Resources is owned by Page Gardner's husband. And Page Gardner's husband made $770,000 for doing calls for WVWV in 2006.
Now isn't that embarrassing?
And Integral Resources has been caught doing shoddy work with ethnic voices in the past.
Now isn't that embarrassing?
And Integral Resources does work for the Obama Campaign, the DNC and other Democratic organizations.
Now isn't that embarrassing?
Would somebody please call WVWV and ask them which telemarketer they hired to do the calls. And ask them why they're covering it up?
May 1, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd start with Michael Lux.
May 1, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is no surprise that a nonprofit seeking to register future Dem voters would have some Clinton or Obama supporters on board.
Supporters are one thing. People who are paid to get their candidate elected are something else.
Maggie Williams was on the board of WVWV and WVWV paid her firm $88,000 for "strategic planning" in 2006. Maggie Williams is now working to get Clinton elected. Is she using any of the "strategic planning" paid for by the nonprofit to help Clinton? Is the nonprofit now robocalling voters in a way that helps Clinton and hurts Obama?
It is not enough for a couple of Obama supporters who don't know much about the day to day running of WVWV to try to gloss over this. Why haven't we heard from Maggie Williams?
May 1, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I checked the Wikipedia link which linked to an archived version of the WVWV "leadership team" and board -- Maggie Williams and her business partner were part of the "leadership team" but not actually on the board. It would be extremely problematic if she were a board member and also a contractor of the organization. It's troubling enough that she was a member of the "leadership team," whatever that is, and also a contractor.
May 1, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, it is clear that WVWV conducted legitimate voter registration drives, involving telphone calls from real people, in past years, which gives them a bit of cover now. It is quite possible that some of the Clinton supporters running the organization saw an "opportunity" this year and grabbed it.
May 1, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Steve Stone of the Virginia Pilot (Feb 9, 2008) reported:
"Sarah Johnson, communications director for the organization, said Friday that not including information about the source of the voter registration effort was "absolutely an accidental omission."
She said the group was changing its nationwide phone alerts to make clear who is coordinating the effort.
Johnson said that of all the states where the effort is under way, Virginia was the only one where there had been reports of problems."
SO ONE HAS TO WONDER WHY THE PROBLEMS WERE ALLOWED TO PERSIST.
May 1, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny thing, WVWV promised to stop making anonymous phone calls back in early February after they were contacted by Virginia police:
http://www.southernstudies.org/facingsouth/
However, WVWV is a legit operation and is run by progressive people who want to turn out progressive leaning voters. But at the same time, it's a little too early to totally rule out the possibility that a staff person or consultant didn't run amock with their tactics in a heated and divisive primary. It's not impossible. I'm sure that these board members are pretty far removed from the day to day operations of this organization.
Otherwise, WVWV has demonstrated that they are simply bumbling idiots who couldn't be bothered with things like state by state voter registration rules and deadlines. But it does boggle the mind that they could be repeatedly told that their tactics were confusing voters (by the police!) and they refused to change them.
May 1, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not an "accident" if authorities tell them to stop with illegal calls and they keep doing it months later.
Someone is responsible for this and, regardless of the merits of anything else they do, someone needs to be held accountable. Saying, "Oops," doesn't cut it.
May 1, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Daily Kos diarist Stefanie's post, which I reposted in Reader Comments last night because of the great amount of pertinent information in her original Kos post:
May 1, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I imagine this is what is animating Podesta to be up front in supplying his own CYA:
A curious distancing by Mr. Podesta.
May 1, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, I think a lot of the zomg-Clinton conspiracy theorizing that's building up around this group is kinda silly.
But I will say: after 8 years of Bush, I'm not really inclined to take the "we're not malicious! just incompetent!" excuse too seriously anymore.
May 1, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
agree. I've come to believe incompetence as a first defense is usually a ruse.
May 1, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
And in response to the John Podesta response that she received:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/30/211016/253/775/506710
May 1, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Opus, you know more. Give the folks the names of all those people on the Board and their connections. Thanks
May 1, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
One state: accident.
Two states: possible incompetence.
Eleven states: deliberate. Possibly a mole, possibly someone's hostility to the goups(s) being targetted by the calls, but definitely not incompetent or accidental.
May 1, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I ran each of the names on Google which revealed that at least 3/4 of the names on the board are intimately involved with the Clintons.
This shows the close connection of the Clintons with paid lobbyists.
While one finds a lobbyist here or there in the Obama campaign, no one will find them in these numbers and in this kind of role.
Here is the proof --in detail --of the kind of politics Obama is trying to change.
Another poster, Maria Gomez, had more details on the blog from Opus Hussein X currently in the Most Recommended in Election Central.
May 1, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it were a legitimate effort to register voters, why would they have the drive immediately before the primary? If I were trying to register voters, I would get the materials into their hand as early as possible - under the assumption that people aren't going to fill them out right away and fedex them in.
And, not only did they not get them in the mail as early as possible, they did so after the registration deadline.
The only reason to have them immediately before the primary would be to create confusion in a way that wouldn't leave people with enough time to resolve it before the primary.
When you add the fact that they didn't include legally required identifying information in the call, that they blocked the number on caller ID, that they persisted in using misleading language after being repeatedly warned by state authorities, etc. it becomes very doubtful that this is just a perfect storm of innocent mistakes.
May 1, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Now, what are the chances that this can become a widely disseminated story that will make Clinton pay some price in votes?
It's complicated. Too complicated for many potential voters. Some TV "journalist" would have to report it with skill immediately.
May 1, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The MSM headline I would like to see:
"Is the Clinton Campaign Practising Voter Suppression in North Carolina?"
May 1, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting the Clintons (DINO) may be using the same disinformation and disenfranchising techniques the GOP has refined to an art form. Further evidence how corrupt the two party system is.
May 1, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two birds with one stone.
You establish an organization that helps register women voters who will support your candidate. You make sure they are called before the Primary and are given correct information so they can vote.
This establishes credibility for your organization and will provide cover should the whole thing blow up.
Then, after the registration deadline, you begin calling African-American voters and providing them with misleading information telling them that if they want to vote (In the Primary? Or in the General?) they'll need to submit some paperwork. But when the voter receives it (if they receive it) the deadline has passed, so obviously they can't vote. Unless, of course, they were already registered, in which case, it was all a mistake.
Karl Rove would be proud.
May 1, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Karl Rove would be proud. And Gloria Steinem too. She's on that board.
May 1, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo
May 1, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kind of reminds me of the slow progression of some old FOB's from indignantly denying that the Clintons were deliberately stirring up racial division, and castigating people who said for for "repeating Republican talking points" and applying "Clinton Rules" to the point (after the South Carolina Jesse Jackson comparison) where they threw up their hands and said "okay, you're on your own on this one, Bill!"
After the eleventh time, you're left with only two possibilities: either this group has become a sinicure for the utterly incompetent among Dem-leaning advocacy groups or else its been hijacked by Hillary supporters and is being used for vote suppression tactics behind a facade of (barely) plausible deniability.
Though I guess those two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
May 1, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo!
May 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Possible Clinton mole operative behind the robo-calling, giving plausible denaibility to higher-ups.
I don't trust the Clinton's, their track record of low ethical standards and behavior makes me think there's more to this than meets the eye.
May 1, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Non-profit board members probably meet once or twice a year. When the board does meet, they would discuss
1/fundraising to keep the organization going 2/compensation for nonprofit employees
3/other budgetary matters
4/organiaztional programs
I would not expect Podesta or any other of the non-staff board members to know the intracacies of how WVWV is conducting its programmatic business. That's how nonprofit boards work.
May 1, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a PR campaign to cover their asses and their funding.
I want answers!
May 1, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, this stinks to high hell.
The board was unaware of how badly things were being run. No surprises there. While certain operations of this non-profit are seemingly legit, this call campaign obviously was not. Who was in charge of this operation? Who's brainchild was this? Who implemented it? Why didn't they look into the legality of it before it got off the ground? Why didn't the change it after it was found to be illegal?
Furthermore, I want to know who the telemarketer was. What did Gardner know? What about Gardner's husband? Finally, what did Maggie Williams know?
I'm not sure this whole organization is corrupt, but it sure seems like Gardner and her husband (who runs Integral Resources) have much to answer for. Furthermore, how much interaction did Maggie Williams (and the Clinton campaign) have with Gardner and her husband?
Stinky, very stinky.
The fact they didn't change their methods after the first one or two states that complained is evidence this is something more than negligence. No company is that stupid, protit or non-profit.
Someone did this for politically motivated reasons. The only question is who and how many.
May 1, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
and how far up this goes.
May 1, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want Page Gardner on the phone now, aswering these questions.
May 1, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs to cut off Integral Resources. I cannot respect a candidate who would knowingly fund a company that is obviously trying to undermine his campaign.
May 1, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word.
May 1, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm really wondering why TPM is pulling their punches on these stories. As evidenced by the research by readers here and at DKos and elsewhere, there's a lot of muck involved.
I'm not at all suggesting that TPM is in the tank for Clinton -- rather, it seems to me to be unwilling to rake structural Dem muck. If this was a GOP-affiliated outfit pulling this crap, I think we'd see a lot more of the reader-generated data and anecdotes making it into the front-page stories.
May 1, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, WVWV is really getting the benefit of the doubt on this one. Mostly positive PR coming from those associated with the org being reprinted here. Not much investigation, despite all of the interesting leads showing up in comments and linked to from elsewhere. Kinda disappointing. Maybe if there was a sexual angle, I dunno...
May 1, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, I don't understand why TPM isn't all over this. I certainly don't understand why the self-serving statements of WVWV board members are headlined rather than the extremely dubious methods the group (or their contractor Integral Concepts) was using. As others have pointed out, this is a well-financed group with a budget of almost $5 million led by seasoned political operatives whose contractors claim to have significant experience doing this sort of work. It boggles the mind that anyone whose critical faculties are intact could think that a robo-calling campaign premised on misstatements of fact about the state's voter registration process and conducted in violation of state election law could possibly be "inadvertent."
I work for a nonprofit firm with a nation-wide practice -- if we made this sort of "mistake" about the governing local rules and committed felonies, whether inadvertent or not, we'd quickly be out of business. There is such a thing as basic professional competence in one's field.
May 1, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are a few posts at Daily Kos that are all over this, including the one I mentioned above. Here's some links:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/30/211016/253/775/506710
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/30/11055/6499/141/506343
And here are some Clinton connections that some of the commenters on my Stefanie repost cited:
May 1, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
A couple of points to consider: as a non-profit organization which is required to file annual tax returns (IRS Form 990), WVWV has to show that their funds are used to carry out the organization’s tax-exempt charitable purpose. Wasting money on ineffective and late voter registration programs and claiming “oops, my bad” could bring the organization’s tax-exempt status under scrutiny by the IRS.
All non-profit organizations are required to have very specific conflict of interest provisions in place to receive tax-exempt status from the IRS. If, as claimed above, the husband of a Board member is a major beneficiary of the organization’s revenue and that fact was not made known to the other Board members prior to spending those funds there may be a conflict of interest which could also jeopardize the organization’s tax-exempt status.
Also, I do not profess to be conversant in federal election laws to know if an actual crime has occurred with the voter registration operation in North Carolina, but WVWV has a history of late calls to minorities which may generate confusion in a targeted audience. WVWV has also been put on notice by at least one law enforcement agency about their improper/illegal actions yet apparently continues to commit these acts. While some commenting here, including WVWV Board members, might say these allegations are innocent or circumstantial keep in mind there are people in prisons in this country who were convicted of crimes based on circumstantial evidence.
Now would be a good time for WVWV to sit down with a competent lawyer to determine if the actions of their organization have violated federal or various state laws and if so is the organization legally liable or can any liability be directed to “rogue” operatives. Also, if I were WVWV’s lawyer, I would limit the written statements of Board members and surrogates of the organization are making in various forums until all legal ramifications have been analyzed.
May 1, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course Daily Kos diarists are all over this - it's the bastion of Obama prophetizing on the web, outside of the blog space on the campaign's website.
And the anyone who was anyone in the Democratic party in the 90's has connections to the Clinton White House - they were in power for most of the decade for crissakes.
It looks bad that they did this repeatedly in several states, but it's been pointed out that they did it for non-primary states as well. I'm skeptical there's anything there.
I'll also point out to the Obama people that you can only cry wolf so many times - racism, this, voter fraud in New Hampshire and Nevada and Texas and Ohio and every other state - before people stop listening to you.
May 1, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
These same exact robo-calls were used in Virginia and Ohio before those primaries:
http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/04/facing-south-exclusive-bogus-nc.asp
The Attorney General in Virgina ordered the group to stop, as it was a legal violation. So why do they keep doing it elsewhere?
May 1, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would imagine that the Obama people are busy pointing this out to the super-delegates. They know the Washington scene. Surely they will know right away if this was a Clinton op.
There are many old-time dems who have had enough of the Clintons. And I suspect we'll see that in the super-delegate vote.
Enough is enough.
May 1, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good thinking. If only the Obama supporters would stop crying wolf, he might be able to actually win. But they can't, and he can't, and if Obama can't take the smear tactics from a pillar of the DLC, how's he going to stand up to mighty McCain?
All that talk about the HRC campaign spreading stories that 'Obama is Muslim', leaking smears to Drudge, Scaife, yada yada. 'Sniff, sniff'.
Hillary is a fighter! Onward Clinton Soldiers!
May 1, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. The moral compass in this post is spinning like a top.
May 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you believe Bush and the others who voted to go to war in Iraq did so because the intelligence was faulty then you are quite likely to believe a group with this strong a professional staff with a long history of doing election work just continues to be so incompetent. The fact is they have done this in other states and when caught claimed they were just incompetent. This excuse should not be allowed to work a second time, let alone a tenth time.
May 1, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is far more serious than Rev. Wright. Why isn't the story showing up in the corporate media?
May 1, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
But it's a failure of us all for accepting so much nonsense from the tube. We're in the muck. Part of the problem, not the solution.
May 1, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe the statements made by some boardmembers that they were unaware of this.
I believe in the overall good intentions of the organization.
I believe that there is a Hillary sleeper-cell within the organization that is mis-using WVWV's resources for a dirty tricks/special ops campaign.
May 1, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correct
May 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with that in its entirety.
May 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just makes the Clintons seem more devious. And the organization seem incompetent. Three fourths of the board close to Clinton?
May 1, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree totally.
I'm the Stefanie who posted on Daily Kos about my email exchange with Podesta, by the way. Thanks, Opus, for cross-posting! This thing stinks and we need to get to the bottom of it NOW.
May 1, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice job Stefanie! You are a real hero!
May 1, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for all your hard work, Leslie!
May 1, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Leslie? WTF? I mean, Stephanie! D'oh......
May 1, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha, no worries! My grandma used to call me Sharon. :)
May 1, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on, Stefanie! Thanks for all of your excellent work on this!
May 1, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you, too, Opus -- I think this is exactly what has happened.
It's pretty rare for board members of a group like this to get involved in the day-to-day operations and some members, like Mike Lux, are either supportive of Obama or plausibly neutral.
But what happened in N.C. is straight out of the Karl Rove playbook -- the same playbook the Hillary campaign has been following in all other aspects of its operations. All of which is consistent with the sleeper cell theory.
May 1, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
If WVWV Board members were unaware that the organization's resources were being used in ways that violate state election law and had the effect of suppressing minority votes, then they need to start investigating what happened. It's part of their fiduciary responsibility. It makes me uncomfortable to see board members "vouching" for the organization, when they should be doing their job and holding the appropriate people accountable. The media, including TPM, should be investigating what happened and who is responsible. Was Integral Resources the entity with whom WVWV contracted to make the robo-calls? Who within WVWV was responsible for managing the contract with that entity and supervising its work? What did Page Gardner and other staff know about what was being done?
We don't know how much the leadership knew about the robo-calls, so it's pointless to claim that the overall organization is well-intended and that this is the work of a sleeper cell, etc. We just don't know. We need a great investigative journalist such as Josh Marshall to investigate and find out.
May 1, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting thread and issue.
The interesting story, at least for me, as head of the National Political Do Not Contact Registry (StopPoliticalCalls.org) a non-partisan, non-profit org working to reduce robo calls is this:
- Non-profits are exempt from the robocalling law.
- Politicians are exempt from the robocalling law.
It is interesting that the AG is going after WVWV for violating the law, but they are not going after other non-profit organizations that may also be violating the law.
The calls violated the law according to the AG's press release:
"The calls violated state law by failing to disclose who sponsored the call and failing to offer the organization’s contact information to get the calls to stop."
The reality is that there are more than likely several campaigns and other non-profit organizations that are "failing to disclose who sponsored the call" and "failing to offer the org's contact information to get the calls to stop".
In fact, I know of no political campaign at the national level that offers voters a way to opt out of further calls.
That is why Sen. Feinstein and Rep. Lofgren have introduced the Robocall Privacy Act.
As I stated in my op-ed in Politico( http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9978.html) today.
Recently, a bicameral and bipartisan effort has been led by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) and Reps. Zoe Lofgren (-Calif.) and John Campbell (R-Calif.) with the introduction of the Robocall Privacy Act. The bill would sanction groups or individuals who make political robocalls between the hours of 9 p.m. and 8 a.m., make more than two political robocalls to the same number in the same day, fail to disclose the party responsible for the political robocall or block caller identification information.
Why is the AG not going after other organizations?
Is it because this is a political hot potato?
May 1, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
For those interested in pushing this story in the North Carolina media, you might email Ryan Teague Beckwith who wrote the most tepid of accounts in the Raleigh News and Observer, none of which mentions the organization's connection to the Clintons:
ryan.teague.beckwith @newsobserver.com
May 1, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The more I think about this, the madder I get. The possibility that my Obama campaign contributions are being used to finance Inegral Reserach's operations infuriates me. I refuse to donate another cent to the Obama campaign until I get some answers.
May 1, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
This story is about to drop off the TPM home page.
What a shame, as it definitely merits more consideration, esp. when a Dem-run outfit is behaving just the like Repug-run ones Dems supposedly detest.
Bye-bye
May 1, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whew, they have a follow-up top o' front page now!
May 1, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Noooooo, don't drop this TPM. Too important!!!
May 1, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This story is not being covered in North Carolina. I live in NC and generally pay pretty good attention to the news, but I am embarrassed to say I don't know much of anything about this story (yet).
May 1, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
If all it takes is blatant bullshit to escape wrong doing then we had better go get a pair of waders. Come on now!...this was no mistake.
May 1, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just so you know, Maggie W. is not the only connection to the Clinton campaign. I spent just 15 minutes yesterday jogging back and forth between WVWV, their links and opensecrets.org and this is what I found (the numbers may be from previous quarters):
John Podesta (former Clinton Ch. of Staff):
Donated $2300 to Hillary Clinton’s campaign
Mimi Mager:
$2,000 Clinton
Maggie Rheinstein:
$900 Barack Obama (so you don't think I'm just posting the fishy stuff)
And the affiliated WE Vote—national co-chair:
Geraldine Ferraro
Heidi Hartmann—Pres. of the ALSO affiliated Institute for Women’s Policy Research
$2,300 to Hillary Clinton
This story could be huge, if someone with the time to dig would jump on it! At the very least, North Carolina voters need to know about it.
May 1, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe it's that i have "known" the Clintons for years, but i have a hard time believing that Hillary would have allowed this or that she would have known about it and allowed it. On the other hand, her supporters are so very loyal, it wouldn't shock me if they were behind it.
May 1, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Facing South is the authoritative source of reporting on this issue.
The NC AP did a report that covered everything except the political connections to the Clinton campaign.
Here is an update from Facing South, book mark their site and check frequently:
May 2, 2008 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
NPR covers it today:
May 2, 2008 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
An accident? A mole? Incompetence? Please, people. Grow up. The organization is called "Women's Voices, Women Vote." Is that a clue? Last I checked, Hillary was a woman. If it was an A-A political organization, would anyone doubt their motive? Million-dollar-per-speech Bill is now out pushing the "Obama is an elitist" line. Why do you think only Republicans can pull this crap?
May 2, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90114863
So I guess, NPR, is just a bunch of nutjobs, too? er, no?
May 2, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
WVWV is a good organization. In 2004, they helped get a good number of unmarried women to the polls -- the group that is the most underrepresented in elections (and most likely to vote for Democrats, though as a non-partisan group they don't mention that part). They are not affiliated with the Clintons, nor is their goal to get women elected -- it's to get women to vote. Their history is just as connected to Obama as Clinton, as the non-non-partisan part of the organization that runs their ground operations (USAction) was the group that was first on the Obama for senate band wagon. He spoke at their national meeting in 2004, for instance, and the President of USAction (William McNary) is a declared supporter.
I can't comment on their current operations, but I know that the founders are good women who don't know much about how to run campaigns but are very well intentioned. Any illegality must be purely accidental.
This is an important group, targeting some really underrepresented voters! We don't want them to be dragged in the dirt.
May 2, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Both of you. Look at the questions we are asking. They are well founded. We are not crazy and this looks very fishy.
We can't just turn a blind eye on this because they are Democrats. Then we are no better than the repubs.
Look at the npr story. they aren't crazy either.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90114863
May 2, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink