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Update: Group Promised to Change Calls in February

Since we last posted this morning, there are number of other things to update you on those calls by Women's Voices Women Vote.

First off, North Carolina officials were not the first to specifically object to the group's failure to identify themselves and instead use "Lamont Williams" on the calls. As Facing South points out, back in February, after Virginia police investigated the calls and mailings as a possible identity theft scam, the group's spokeswoman told The Virginian-Pilot that "not including information about the source of the voter registration effort was 'absolutely an accidental omission.'" She also said that the group would be changing the calls so that the group was identified as the source.

Obviously, that didn't happen. When I asked the group about that, a spokesperson told me that the failure to change the script was a "mistake" and added "we're doing our best to figure out how the old script got used."

Meanwhile, a group spokeswoman Sarah Johnson explained in a Q&A at DailyKos that the name Lamont Williams was used because that was the name of the actor reading the script. The calls using Williams' voice went to men -- because she said while the group mainly concentrates on unmarried women, they also target "African Americans, Hispanics and young people" -- and a call using a woman's voice went to women.

And finally, anti-robo call activist Shaun Dakin provides some context for the North Carolina attorney general's accusation that the group's calls were illegal because the group was not identified and did not provide a call back number. Dakin, who heads up Stop Political Calls, a group devoted to combating automated calls by establishing a National Political Do Not Contact Registry, writes that Women's Voices Women Vote is breaking the law, but pretty much everybody else does too:

The reality is that there are more than likely several campaigns and other non-profit organizations that are "failing to disclose who sponsored the call" and "failing to offer the org's contact information to get the calls to stop".

In fact, I know of no political campaign at the national level that offers voters a way to opt out of further calls.


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Doesn't this organization have any shame? They are trying to use exactly the same excuse now that they used in February?

Even if this organization were run out of the back of a truck by a pack of wayward tree-sloths, it couldn't be THIS incompetent.

WVWV did not make the calls themselves.

WHICH TELEMARKETING COMPANY MADE THE CALLS? WHICH TELEMARKETING COMPANY EMPLOYES LAMONT?

Why is nobody answering this question?

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I just sent this email to WVWV. We'll see if they answer:

Dear Women's Voices, Women Vote:

Concerning the robo-calls that were made in North Carolina last week, I respectfully request the following information.

(1) Did a vendor or vendors of WVWV record and make the robo calls and mail the voter registration information used in North Carolina, and if so, what is the name of the company?

(2) Was the script of the robo-call used in North Carolina reviewed by WVWV's legal counsel before the North Carolina robo-calling project was implemented?

(3) North Carolina allows voter registration by mail or at agencies and the DMV up to 25 days before the election, and one-stop in person voter registration and early voting up to 3 days before the election. Given that the calls were made last week, after the mail-in registration had expired but before the one-stop in person registration deadline had expired, why did the robo-calls used in North Carolina not inform prospective voters of the one-stop in person process and deadline? I would appreciate it if you could please explain specifically why this was not done.

(4) You have recently stated that WVWV is investigating how it happened that the robo-calls did not identify the sponsoring organization, after WVWV was admonished about this in another state. Can you please share the result of your investigation and the information about how the second mistake occurred?

(5) If the North Carolina robo-calls were made by a WVWV vendor or contractor, how was that vendor supervised by WVWV to assure that the calls complied with North Carolina election law and provided accurate information? What individuals within WVWV were responsible for overseeing the vendor's activities?

Thank you in advance for answering my questions. Helping women and other disenfranchised persons register to vote is important work, and I wish you the very best in your efforts.


Excellent questions and the ones we all want answered. How about it, WVWV?

I still don't believe them.

Ask yourself - who benefits?

Xactly. Sure seems like Clinton benefited quite a bit from all these "mistakes".

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These jokers need to be nailed for real before they re-offend. Someone at WVWV must be held to account.

Excuses don't cut it.

Voter outreach is their raison d'etre after all and they ain't living up to their mission statement when they repeatedly break the law.

This stinks to high heaven.

Obviously this group's practices, one way or another, were influenced by KNOWN Clinton supporters.

All these "mistakes" can not be explained away by sheer incompetence. In the absence of an even remotely plausible explanation, one can only draw the conclusion that this was a voter suppression effort.

And quite a clever, seemingly innocent one at that.

Sounds like they were trying to skirt around this with every available loophole available to them.

Don't make excuses, give us answers - WVWV.

Thank for keeping us updated, Mr. Kiel. Stay on this story!

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From the VA newspaper article:

Johnson said that of all the states where the effort is under way, Virginia was the only one where there had been reports of problems.

Isn't that blatantly a lie?

Colorado had unresolved issues last November:
http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/pressrel/voter_registration_mailing_bypassed_11-15-07.html

Wherever they go, the people all complain.

Meheheheh.

Short answer to your question is yes. Google the name of the organization and "confusion" and you'll find links to numerous reports of "problems" with Sarah Johnson repeating some version of her "oops, sorry, never again" line in Arkansa and Michigan, among others.

Serial alibi-ers.

If there are any North Carolina law enforcement folks reading this: This taxpayer-citizen asks that you:

1) Pursue this with diligence.
2) Prosecute any crime.

Thank you.

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..and find individuals who taped the call willing to take them to court as NC statue allows. What is needed is a really good trial lawyer who cares about the poor in NC. Hmm.

Seriously, if Elizabeth Edwards is read this, I am wondering how they can stand by and listen to Hillary bless the rich on Fox, while individuals close to her--and I mean staffers, not Board members, are willfully confusing the poor of NC.

Can someone explain the Edwards' m.o./position to me?
Glad at least to see Josh is no longer convinced there was no previous illegality.

I don't believe them, either. I'm just surprised that after Virginia they didn't just move the operation to some other entity. Pretty weak performance.

"Women's Voices Women Vote is breaking the law, but pretty much everybody else does too"

That misses the point. Most organizations at least identify themselves on their robocalls, even if they don't include contact information... but not WVWV.

So, while both are illegal, WVWV blocked caller ID and did not change their message to at least say who they were, even after two months!

To me, that shows either intent or negligence... neither of which is an excuse for violating numerous state's laws.

Heads should roll, and several people should find themselves behind bars, awaiting trial.

Okay, so I did the math.

WVWV was expecting to get 17,333 registration forms back.

The expectations are that North Carolina will break 1 million for the primary this year. Hard to say really, but it's realistic (see http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/30/14835/7007/1021/506480)

Less votes and there is more of a percentage of the vote. Less and there is less than my estimated percentage.

My estimated percentage of the vote potentially affected by this campaign 1.7%

Not exactly small potatoes.

17,333 just in NC. the are from from here (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/sos-letters-nc/), from numbers provided by WVWV.

The news should highlight HILLARY HAS LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE....FOREVER !!!

This is the message currently being sent by blacks to the DNC in great numbers (and the superdelegates). There is no way Hillary will defeat McCain without the support of Black America aka the guaranteed Democratic vote. Please read Huffington Posts story on how the Hillary Camp has been feeding Obama attacks TO THE GOP !!!!! What a traitor to the Democratic Party !!!!!!!! Hillary started out with 82% of the black support. But as Blacks learned more about her (Goldwater Girl...Against Civil Rights Act '64....It was LBJ...Not MLK....etc) combined with Bill's (...fairy tale....Jessie Won S.C. too...etc.)...blacks were shocked beyond repair. (remember....we luved Bill so much we called him 'The First Black President')....but never again....WHERE'S THAT STORY. And if the DNC thinks.....'ohhhhhh....the blacks will be angry at first...but they'll come around'.....then they don't know the severity of what the Clinton's have done....This has nothing to do with Obama !!!! We (blacks) have awakened to the truth about the Clintons......and with more exposure like today's Huff story re: Hill's feeding the GOP Obama smears...our friends of ALL races will awaken soon !!!!!!!!!...THAT'S THE REAL STORY !!!!

Greg Jones
www.Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial, Grassroots Org...Dedicated To Truth)

p.s. Blacks4Barack.org was started in Feb. 2007 (by Greg Jones) because of the fact that VERY few blacks were for Obama at that time.....they were ALL for Hillary !!!!! We knew that Obama was the best person to run our country and bring our troops home and that is why we started our grassroots organization with a mission to increase black voter registration and to invigorate support for Obama. (Not because he's black...but because he's most qualified) The more black voters learned about Obama...the more they liked him....and the more they learned about the Clintons....the angrier they got !!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are appreciative of our friends of ALL races....who are working together....for the very best candidate....to put America on the right track.....Barack Obama ! THANK YOU !

Not all muck is Republican. There are three essential probematical things that are already obvious about this outfit, and two questions that should be answered. Three essential problems:

1. Notwithstanding the kind words their board members have for them, there is no evidence they've accomplished anything that would legitimize their nonprofit status. Exhibit 1: their website makes reference to some groundbreaking study on voter habits, but no such study is posted on their website. There is no evidence they have ever registered a single voter.

2. This charity begins at home. The president gets $100,000 a year for her services, while her husband's company gets $800,000 with no available documentation as to how much of that $800,000 lands in the joint bank account. The website hasn't got a whole lot to say about what hubby does for his $800,000.

3. From its stated premise of focusing on unmarried female voters to its genorosity to Maggie Williams to its smarmy activities in Virginia and North Carolina, this is a partisan outfit from stem to stern. Some things are obvious. Its not Watergate, they haven't hired burglars, but it is pretty damn close.

Now for the two questions some intrepid researchers need to answer:

1. since the contributions they've had from household names like the Carnegie Foundation don't nearly amount to the 4 million they'd amassed and then spent in 06, who is their big donor? The Clinton Foundation? Someone should ask.


2. What did Ron Rosenblith do for his $800,000?

3.

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I would like to know more about the strategic planning that Maggie Williams and her business partner, both members of the WVWV "leadership team" at the time, did for the organization. I do not see a strategic plan posted on the website. Perhaps I should write and ask if they could send me a copy.

Though the "leadeship team" is not the Board, and Williams and her partner were not members of the Board, I am wondering how it could not be a conflict of interest to pay a member of the leadership team $88,000 for strategic planning. Nonprofits must report the compensation paid to their top level staff, but not all members of the "leadership team" were paid staff. Williams was not, apparently, on staff, nor was she identified in her leadership capacity in the organization's 990 filing. So an IRS official reviewing the return wouldn't see a potential conflict.

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Here's the most positive explanation I can think of for this situation.

These folks are systematically incompetent. They can't figure out how to write an accurate mailer or script a friendly call. They mess up calendars on regular basis. They use the wrong script and can't figure out how it happened. They do things that are likely to cause anxiety and misunderstanding among likely Democratic voters over and over and over. They systematically use cold, bossy language when warmth and consideration would work just fine, and be a hell of a lot more appropriate when urging fellow citizens to join the political process.

Either the nonprofit is too dumb to live, or the for-profit contractors are too dumb to live and nonprofit is too dumb to figure it out.

And either way, Democrats in important leadership roles have failed to figure this out over multiple years. How could John Podesta and Maggie Williams never have noticed? How could the Obama campaign have been convinced these were credible contractors?

That's the best explanation that's still possible. It's the one without crimes or malice. I'm not ready to say I believe it. But if it's true, it's still pretty ghastly.

I'll be keeping track of this story and also contacting the N.C. States Attorney I want "heads to roll" for this illegal activity. If HRC had conducted a clean campaign to start with I wouldn't be giving this the weight I am now but she has been underhanded, snide, a liar and ripe with innuendos she bearly resembles the person I voted for as my State Senator.

To think that others would work in concert with HRC to steal an election disgusts me and amplifies my comviction that Sen. Obama is the correct choice for President of the United States of America.

" The calls using Williams' voice went to men -- because she said while the group mainly concentrates on unmarried women, they also target "African Americans, Hispanics and young people"

Am I the only one who finds this claim suspect? It seems to me they threw this in as an explanation as to why they used "Lamont Williams".

I would love to hear from the Secretaries of State to see the actual numbers of registrations this well funded group produced. Did they actually register voters or was the focus on this misinformation?

Please, Paul, demand some answers from this group. I, too, would love to hear just who funded this group (did they receive Clinton Foundation funds?) and more about the telemarketer-ie Page's husband Ron Rosenblith's duties with the group.

The Q&A at dKos was lame, as if someone wrote questions to insert into WVWV's previous press releases. Not good enough.
Thanks for keeping on this story. The blackout by the other outlets is disheartening.

I agree that it's disheartening. Just from the information TPM's comments lists have generated, I'm seeing enough information throwing Clinton's campaign into suspicion that she should at LEAST be publicly asked to comment on this activity! WVWV is run largely by Clinton supporters. They've garnered complaints in at least four different states AND told the police that they would make changes which they have not done.

And might I add? As a woman, I am SICKENED by their "oh gosh, did we do that? we're just silly women and must have made a mistake" eyelash-batting kind of answers. Take some damned responsibility, WVWV!

In an apparent response to my "show me the groundbreaking study" post, women's voices women's votes has posted a purported study. First problem, its dated April 2008 (nice and honest of them, not to backdate), all 28 double spaced pages of it. Next problem, instead of being authored by independent experts, it is seemingly authored by none other than Page Gardner and John Podesta (guess they slapped this one together overnight on the kitchen table). No footnotes, just a cut and paste policy document. You ask yourself, is this a 4 million dollar project? Do you think the Carnegie Foundation got its money's worth?

Now, where is the study of voting habits they ostensibly did? I think there are only two possibilities. 1) Most likely: it doesn't exist, they were lying, they've been caught out. 2) They did a study with money donors sent them but either Mr Rosenblitt is using it to boost his private consulting business or it is being used for partisan purposes rather than for the purposes of this ostensibly nonprofit organization. Otherwise, why not make it publicly available?

The semi-MSM (National Public Radio) finally caught up. Questions are now being asked about Integral Resources, and the strange fact that WVWV spent a huge % of their budget on that company's services. They fail to point out however that Rosenblith and Gardner are married.

In 2006, the organization paid Integral Resources Inc. nearly $800,000 for phone services. That company's CEO and founder is Ron Rosenblith, who is married to Women's Voices president, Page Gardner. The contract represents 16 percent of the nonprofit's budget. The group is funded mostly through foundations and individual donations.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90114863

In fact, they do point this out, my mistake!

Thank you for this link-my husband heard it last night but I hadn't seen it yet.

Of interest too, is the article below the story:

Nonprofit's Contracts Called into Question


by Will Evans

Charity watchdogs say the way the group Women's Voices Women Vote has spent its money on at least one contract raises red flags.

In 2006, the organization paid Integral Resources Inc. nearly $800,000 for phone services. That company's CEO and founder is Ron Rosenblith, who is married to Women's Voices president, Page Gardner. The contract represents 16 percent of the nonprofit's budget. The group is funded mostly through foundations and individual donations.

"I think it's a really big concern," said Daniel Borochoff, president of the American Institute of Philanthropy in Chicago. "It does give an appearance of a conflict of interest."

The question, he and other charity experts say, would be whether Integral Resources profited from its inside connections. Women's Voices did not make anyone available to comment.

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90114863

This story should have been all over every major news outlet by now, but instead it's drying up and blowing away.

There are a wealth of facts that people have posted on this site alone that need to be brought to light. Are there any film makers out there? This belongs on You Tube, at least.

i thought NPR covered the story well

Wow, I think you guys need to relax. WVWV has done a lot of good work registering low-propensity voters (single women, minorities, young people, etc...). Also, unlike most progressive organizations, they are willing to test and innovate in order to do things better - something other groups would do well to emulate. From what I've seen of their past studies, the work is first rate (not sure why it isn't public, but it may have to do with concerns about GOP-aligned groups getting ahold of it).

In any case, the main point ignored by pretty much everyone ranting hysterically on this site is that WVWV is run by lifetime progressives committed to voter empowerment, not disenfranchisement, and there are both strong Clinton and strong Obama supporters on their board. While WVWV's continued negligence on this matter is inexcusable(someone should definitely be held accountable), to suggest that WVWV is a shadowy pro-Clinton group bent on disenfranchising Obama voters is simply ludicrous.

"Willing to test and innovate in order to do things better?" How about changing procedures to comply with the law when "mistakes" are pointed out by police and election officials.
As for WVWV having done "a lot of good work" in the past -- yes, that's one of the group's talking points. Let's put that under scrutiny as well.
"Run by lifetime progressives?" Have a look at the list NPR provides of the millions in contracts shared out among half a dozen officials and board members.
Yes, these people are the Democratic Party establishment, writ large.
And Barack Obama, as I've said before, is a deadly threat to their gravy train.
That's why they (and quite possibly you) are doing everything possible to suppress this story.

Let me apologize, merry. You're new here, and I don't know your motivations.
It's just that when I see a voter-registration group engaging in what, from any objective standard, is voter suppression, I get a bit hysterical.

There is always a danger of a lifetime progressive turning into a hack.

Being a lifetime progressive does not give one a free pass to break the law and self deal in a nonprofit. It is not a grant of immunity. With a few more lifetime progressives like these, we might not win in November. If they are so partisan they don't make their "studies" public they should not be a 501(c)(3), or am I wrong.

I've met plenty of lifetime progressives who are also hacks.

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