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Sen. Wyden: Rumsfeld Should Be Held Accountable

As we've been reporting, Phase II of the Senate intel committee's report on pre-war intelligence on Iraq has been released, and all day lawmakers have been issuing statements of shock and incredulity.

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), a member of the authoring Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, called today for a review of whether then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's testimony to Congress was true, given the information in the report.

Specifically cited are quotes from Rumsfeld's testimony to the House Armed Services Committee on September 18 and 19, 2002:

They now have massive tunneling systems... They've got all kinds of thing that have happened in the period when the inspectors have been out. So the problem is greater today. And the regime that exists today in the U.N. is one that has far fewer teeth than the one you are describing.
   -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Testimony before the House Armed Services Committiee, September 18, 2002

Even the most intrusive inspection regime would have difficulty getting at all of [Saddam Hussein's] weapons of mass destruction. Many of his WMD capabilities are mobile; they can be hidden from inspectors no matter how intrusive. He has vast underground networks and facilities and sophisticated denial and deception techniques
   -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Testimony before the House Armed Services Committiee, September 18, 2002

[W]e simply do not know where all or even a large portion of Iraq's WMD facilities are. We do know where a fraction of them are. . .[O]f the facilities we do know, not all are vulnerable to attack from the air. A good many are underground and deeply buried. . .
   -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Testimony before the House Armed Services Committiee, September 19, 2002.

On page 50 the report states it's conclusion after investigating these statements from Rumsfeld:

The Secretary of Defense's statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information. [Emphasis ours.]

Wyden had a thing or two to say about Rumfeld's "not substantiated" testimony:

This is stunning: the Secretary of Defense, testifying before Congress about whether or not ground forces would be strategically necessary in a war against Iraq, said that the Executive Branch "knew" something that it did not know.

The intelligence available at the time made this clear, and two months later a report prepared specifically for Secretary Rumsfeld directly contradicted what he told the Committee. As far as I know, neither Rumsfeld nor anyone else from his office made any attempt to contact the Committee and correct the public record, and the result was that Congress and the American people were misled on a question of the utmost importance. I do not think that this is a matter that Congress can afford to ignore and I hope that the Armed Services Committee will take a serious look at Secretary Rumsfeld's statements.

We'll be bringing you more from Phase II, but please, keep your comments and observations coming.


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So can we get Rumsfeld on trial for war crimes now?

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Second!

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You are number one in my book TheraP.

"The Trial of George W. Bush for Murder" is a new book by Vincent Bugliosi.

Bugliosi spells out in precise detail how Bush (and other criminals in his administration(s) can be brought to trial after Bush leaves office.

Bugliosi is the former prosecutor who won 105 of his 106 prosecutions -- including that of Charles Manson.

THERE IS REAL HOPE NOW THAT WE CAN GET THESE BASTARDS. I strongly urge you to read this book.

My error. The correct title is

"The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder"

Why won't the Democrats impeach the whole bunch. But are the a bunch of punks.

Everday information about some new criminal behaviour by this administration and the Democrats go "oh sorry - nothing we can do - past is the past - wait till we get our new president.

Are they trying to drive me crazy?

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Early in the Obama administration we will see a blanket pardon for the entire Bush administration, so we can move on to changing how things operate in Washington. As much as I would like to see Congressional hearings, or, better yet, a special prosecutor do grand jury investigations into the masses of crimes committed by that bunch, it just isn't going to happen.

And, no US ex-president will ever be brought to trial for war crimes. They may be criminals but they are our criminals.

Pardon is exactly the wrong thing to do.

Pardoning Nixon is what let his administration (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, et al) continue to believe that "When the President does it, it's legal", as Nixon expressed his above-the-law status to David Frost.

A precedent needs to be set. No pardons.

Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, not coincidentally, did exactly the same hocus-pocus with intelligence under Nixon - viz. the Team B reports on the Soviet threat:


According to Fred Kaplan, "In retrospect, the Team B report (which has since been declassified) turns out to have been wrong on nearly every point.[27] Team B came to the conclusion in their report[28] that the Soviets had or could develop an entirely new anti-submarine detection system that used a system that did not depend on sound and was, thus, undetectable by contemporary Western technology, even though no evidence existed for it or its deployment, other than money spent on research, and when the western experts believed that such a system would be impossible.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_B

When something is wrong on this level, it needs to be brought to the attention of the nation and brought before the courts so that it doesn't happen again.

Otherwise, things don't change.

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Amen.

No Pardons. Not EVER.

It just lets criminal activity continue at the highest levels of government. We need accountability.

Look, after Bush, et al leave the White House many will go on about their lives as if nothing ever happened. In fact, many will make millions of dollars giving speeches, writing books, board of director positions, TV jobs, law firms, etc.

If they are not pursued for the crimes against the Constitution they have committed when will this stop? Never. It is just sickening how a guy like Karl Rove is all over the media making ungodly amounts of money when, in fact, he should probably be incarcerated.

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No Pardons. Not EVER.

but Little Georgie will pre-pardon him for everything.

Little Georgie is going to pardon his entire administration for any and all actual or potential crimes committed in the cause of THE WAR ON TERROR This will encompass all action or inactions committed with regard to the attacks on 9/11, and it will encompass all actions, inactions, statements, misstatements, misdeeds, malfeasance, and incompetence with regard to the military actions in the Middle East through out the entire 8 year term.

It won't be as elegant and under the radar as Bush Sr.'s Iran-Contra pardons, but it will keep both Little Georgie and The Big Dick out of the dock.


There's an easy way to fix this... ITMFA

I don't know why do you guys keep insisting on impeachment?
As Rummy said so wisely, there are things that we know, things we don't know and things we don't know we don't know...
To this list, we could add:
a) "Things we don't know but we say we do know..."
b) "Things we know but we say we don't know"

So what's all the big fuss about?
Having lied to Congress? When did that become a crime for this administration? [and why aren't Bush, Cheney, Alberto Gonzalez, Karl Rove, Condi Rice, etc. etc. etc. in jail, if that is the case?]


WAR CRIMINALS all of them.

Impeachment will remain off the table, and for one very simple reason: congressional democrats are complicit-up-to-their-necks in the Big Lie war crime. They will no more permit a Constitutional reckoning to be made than will GW Bush or Dick Cheney. Over time, the villains will all exit the scene (stage right or left) unmolested, to live out their days undisturbed. The best the American people can hope for now is that the truth will gradually out, so that future generations can draw a proper bead on the treachery and cowardice that has marked our own. To insure that happening, a good place to start would be to torpedo any Telecommunications "compromise" that now appears to be in the works. As Digby noted yesterday, it has nothing to do with money or shareholders, and everything to do with extinguishing the right of discovery.

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Impeachment will remain off the table, and for one very simple reason: congressional democrats are complicit-up-to-their-necks in the Big Lie war crime. They will no more permit a Constitutional reckoning to be made than will GW Bush or Dick Cheney.

Ah, but they've already thrown Rummy under the bus once. And McCain is running on the platform that he loved the war, he just didn't like the way Rumsfeld messed it up. So he should in theory be willing to throw Rummy under that bus again in order to promote his own "I'm the war candidate" line of attack. And Obama doesn't have anything to loose by keeping Rummy out from under the bus, so he can just stand aside or use it in his own campaign.

Either way, I'd not want to be taking odds on Rummy walking away from this without additional tire tracks on him.

I've gotta admit - such hearings sound like good TV!

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Rummy's kinda getting up there in years - I predict he'll do a Kenny-Boy Lay and die before juris prudence has her way with him. They'll prop his corpse up at his writing desk on his feet as proof that standing isn't cruel treatment for dead guys...

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Neither the democrats in Washington nor the republicans in Washington will ever vote for any accountability at the top levels.

This would only occur in a democracy where the same laws apply to the elite as well as the common folks. This has not occurred for awhile in this country, and is doubtful that it will ever again be practiced... IMHO


complicit, yup

i have a letter from senator wyden, then my senator, telling me in firm words that the report on phase two, from his committee, would be released BEFORE the presidential election of 2004

complicit coverup, i think so...

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In somewhat related Wyden news, Here in Oregon this past Sunday he endorsed >Jeff Merkley, the Democratic nominee for the U.S. Senate.

Smith is doing everything he can to recast himself as anything but a Republican, (hiding any reference to such on his website, putting "Democrats for Smith" front and center, pushing how he is an independent, green friendly, etc. etc.

He is rejecting the GOP brand as much as he can without leaving the party officially in order to have a chance at re-election. He is under 50% approval, and is in a statistical tie with Speaker Jeff Merkley (and that was before he even won the nomination), who is a rock-solid progressive how lead the charge to re-take the statehouse in 2006 (which he accomplished) and lead the most productive session in the past 3 decades.

So PLEASE consider helping Jeff knock out Smith by clicking here.


Rumsfeld, under oath, in front of the Congress.

Any questions? I didn't think so.

Holding Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney, and all the rest accountable is the only way American will ever have any hope of regaining any semblance of its former world reputation. If we don't do it we can stop thinking so highly of ourselves, get real, and put the American reputation down there with all the countries that we laugh at for not holding their leaders accountable. Honor? A charade we play on ourselves. Democracy? Not if the people don't hold the leaders accountable. Holding leaders accountable IS the definition of democracy. Use it or lose it.

"The Trial of George W. Bush for Murder" is a new book by Vincent Bugliosi.

Bugliosi spells out in precise detail how Bush (and other criminals in his administration(s) can be brought to trial after Bush leaves office.

Bugliosi is the former prosecutor who won 105 of his 106 prosecutions -- including that of Charles Manson.

THERE IS REAL HOPE NOW THAT WE CAN GET THESE BASTARDS. I strongly urge you to read this book.

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As much as many of us would like, and as guilit of war crimes as he is, Rumsfeld will not be held as accountable for them by any entity in the American government.

The corporations who run (might as well say, "own") the American congress will not allow that to happen.

As a war criminal, Rumsfeld will be treated just like Henry Kissinger.

You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

My error.
The correct title is

"The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder"

Wouldn't it be curious to see a poll of how many Americans believe our "leaders" are guilty of war crimes? More so, how many would like to see said crimes prosecuted?

Unfortunately, Hoppy has it right. Again.

I can hear David Bryne from here: Same as it ever was ....

Y Donde es el "Daily Muck"?

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I would like to see the Justice Dept. pursue Rumsfeld, Bush, and Cheney. I would like the media to devote maybe 3 minutes a day to reports about investigations. These men are common criminals, writ large. Don't write them large!

I think Wyden is definitely onto something. In this mountain of material, a lot of old points are being rehashed. But I think he found something that could get some traction, because I don't think it's ever been discussed before.

Also, I noticed that the GOP defense of Rumsfeld uses a phony quote. Look at the file phase2a.pdf. Tell Adobe Reader to go to page 142 (although the page number at the bottom of the page is 141). This page discusses Amendment 86. This page claims that Rumsfeld said the following words: "were not all vulnerable to attack from the air."

But he didn't. Rumsfeld's actual sentence was this: "Second, of the facilities we do know, not all are vulnerable to attack from the air."

Here are a couple of links for that text:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2002/iraq-020918-usia05.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/2002_hr/rumsfeld919.pdf

In literal terms, the error seems small. But the GOP in their dissent is repeatedly complaining that the majority was not careful enough in the way they use language. Therefore the GOP should not be allowed to get away with using an altered quote.

More importantly, this does seem to possibly be a conscious attempt to obscure the meaning of what Rummy said. The sentence they truncated and mangled is a key sentence.

Anyway, it should be possible to nail him on this, since he seems to be saying quite explicitly that we had specific knowledge, including location data, of certain deeply buried WMD facilities. Trouble is, we didn't.

Lestadelo: Thanks. Just gave my small $25. Hope others do as well.

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Ah, but they've already thrown Rummy under the bus once.

dumsfeld may no longer be Secretary of Defense, but he's still living large. However, he will never, ever testify regarding anything more about what Little Georgie and The Big Dick have done or had done. dumsfeld knows too much about what transpired on September 11. He has too many deep, dark secrets. dumsfeld is in thick with The Big Dick. No, they're not par around butt-buddies, but they are linked with their policies and actions.

That being said, Rumsfeld should be hauled before Congress for testimony explaining his lies. After he stonewalls, the matter of his perjury should be referred to... the Justice Department??? a Special Prosecutor??? to bring him up on charges of perjury.


ITMFA

Rumsfeld has been a major worry for me for quite some time. He's sittin' pretty and invisible to the public while at the pentagon with his fingers on multiple triggers. Dick and He know where all the bodies are buried and they are ruthless. Have been running things for DECADES. He needs to be out of any semblance of military and political power NOW before he can organize the die hard neocons for their next big event: creating fear for Americans so they can bomb Iran.

Out him NOW. Do whatever it takes. Get him in the light of day and watch him manipulate and connive, trying to cover his backside and make zero sense as usual. So many years of lying and secret deals have to have seriously corroded his brain. He is a madman.

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