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New Book Reveals Existence of Secret Red Cross Torture Report

In a secret report last year, the International Committee of the Red Cross found that the CIA's interrogation techniques were "categorically" torture, a new book reveals.

From the New York Times:

The book, "The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals," by Jane Mayer, who writes about counterterrorism for The New Yorker, offers new details of the agency's secret detention program, as well as the bitter debates in the administration over interrogation methods and other tactics in the campaign against Al Qaeda.

. . .Citing unnamed "sources familiar with the report," Ms. Mayer wrote that the Red Cross document "warned that the abuse constituted war crimes, placing the highest officials in the U.S. government in jeopardy of being prosecuted."

Late Update: The book also reveals new specifics on Abu Zubaydah's waterboarding. Contrary to administration reports that the technique was used "on only three occasions," Abu Zubaydah told the Red Cross that he was waterboarded "at least 10 times in a single week and as many as three times a day."

And there's new info on Khalid Shaikh Mohammed as well. "KSM" says he was "kept naked for more than a month" and "kept alternately in suffocating heat and in a painfully cold room."


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When pressed for a comment on the subject Darth Cheney replied with a terse, "So?"

When American voters didn't elect George Bush as president in 2000 and again in 2004, they sensed that he lacked the brain power, temperament and character necessary for high office. But even those among us who thought worst of him - count me in - perhaps failed to imagine that his puerile, sophomoric smugness and intellectual indifference were predictive of much beyond a kind of frat boy, rat-tail-snapping petty sadism. Yet it proves to be the case that he is capable of the kind of sociopathic moral indifference that would predispose him to surrounding himself with the kinds of people whose twisted decisionmaking would lead to this. Sorry as it is for the country, our vindication needs to involve these people upheld throughout history as an aberration...utter war criminals, no better than Nazis.

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SOS says:

"Yet it proves to be the case that he is capable of the kind of sociopathic moral indifference that would predispose him to surrounding himself with the kinds of people whose twisted decisionmaking would lead to this."

I couldn't agree more, and Bush found a fellow traveler in Dick Cheney.

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As I believed back in 2000, I continue to believe that it was Dick Cheney who came up with the idea of running a "Chance the Gardener" Bush for President, so the real power could be wielded by his "advisors". This allowed them to trash the Constitution, steal the US treasury, and transfer huge amounts of borrowed money to their favored corporations. It is simply not possible for an idiot like Bush to actually be in charge of anything.

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May Bush and company be hounded on this the rest of their lives.

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NegSpin says;

"May Bush and company be hounded on this the rest of their lives."

Sadly, only the Democrats can make the Bush gang pay for their behavior, and that doesn't seem like something they're interested in doing, even if they win the White House and maintain control of both Houses.

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Because some of them are complicit in it as well. They knew, or certainly should have been able to infer, what was going on, but fearing for their own political careers, they did not make more than a token effort to try to stop it.

The more I pay attention, the more obvious the truth of your statement becomes.

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Don't forget that following WWII it wasn't the German citizens who did the work of rooting out the Nazi war criminals, trying and convicting them. It took people from other countries to do that. The German people also knew what was going on, but preferred to ignore it. Unfortunately, not only the Democrats in Congress prefer to pretend none of the war crimes of the past 7 years happened, ordinary American citizens prefer to pretend the same.

When Obama assumes office, all efforts to bring these war criminals to justice will stop. Count on it.

In a secret report? Why is everything such a secret when discussing the transgretions of this administration. What happened to all of those so-called original intent constitutionalist who sit on their hands while their buddies break law, after law. Where is that liberal leaning media and why would they rather talk about terriost fist bumps, then even mention Dennis Kucinich reading articles of impeachment on the house floor yesterday. This country gets more screwed up everyday and it's whiners like Phil (blame the little people) Gramm and his ilk that are doing it! Breath-in... I feel much better!

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Perhaps I can help.

There IS NO LIBERAL MEDIA.

There is only Corporate Media, and one of their biggest goals is to make sure there is no other kind of media (independent, small, regional, socialist, liberal, or any other)

I cannot explain the Dems weakness and lack of spine. I can explain how republican/media/corporations are really all one organism now....and I guess the best explanation for the dems is that they are part of that beast too (a lot of them)

I don't want to cross a certain line here, on this blog, but just how far are we supposed to bend? When is it ok for us to snap and respond...when a small band of inhuman, unamerican power elites are doing everything they can to turn the earth into Hell On Earth. And Contempt Holdings and Committee Findings, and Going to Jail are just not going to be enough of a punishment for these folks if they are ever seized by Righteous Americans.

This country has been writing laws against rebellion from the very moment our rebellious birth was complete. Hypocrisy writ large on history's pages for all to see. Yet we sit idly while our wealth, our country, our air, our health, our world is stripped from us. Stripped from us very intentionally by a few certain groups. We would all know this if the media was only telling us some small portion of what WE NEED TO KNOW but unfortunately....THE MEDIA is owned by the same folks who are starting wars and who our stripping our lands, air, and water from us. So they tell us NOTHING of what we need to know and do the opposite, by filling our heads 24/7 with everything they can think of to distract us from the truths. They blanket and smother every story that would expose corporate or republican malfeasance....and trumpet everything that would distract or excuse corp/repuclicans.

I can tell you there is some solace in knowing your enemy. Sitting around wildly and blindly hoping someone will stop the madness, and asking to the heavens "Why, Why is the media ignoring this!" is only going to cause psychological damage. There is no way to rationalize the irrational behavior of our power elites. The world does not make sense, our society does not make sense. At least you can start to grasp WHY and realize the image-makers come from THEIR side of the tracks. That is why everything is so off-keel and why our society is guided into making one fatal mistake after another. Our society is basically built around TV, where a corporation gets to sit and put raw material into one end - like a sausage maker- and we get to lap it up at the other end. There is no interaction, no 2 way flow. They just push their stuff at us, and it just falls on us and piles up. And they control EVERYTHING that goes into the INPUT end. They have had their way for 40 or 50 years, dictating exactly what we see and hear (newswise) with the added benefit of training us socially by ceaselessly showing glammed up versions of American life and viewpoint.

We think the commercials only eat up 20 minutes of every hour on TV, when really it is one big 24/7 advertisement. But it has come to a point, where the outrages and crimes of the Corporatists have grown so monstrous, and the endgame nears, that it is not fun-n-games time anymore at the networks. They are in a life-death struggle to brutally repress the news, to hide and cover up and blackout so much of what a camera lens could capture (if given half a chance), and on the other hand to propagandize relentlessly their Master's voodoo. The gloves are off, and the Media isn't smiling like they used to when administering their IV drip to the confused populace. Now there is a grim look on their face, and they are turning up the knobs and dials to Eleven.

The FCC used to limit media ownership within a particular market. That regulation was changed and now allows a single corporation to own - and thereby control - too much of what the public sees and hears from the media. What we used to call a "journalist" is no longer seen on television or heard on the radio. They've been replaced with talking heads that do what they're told by their corporate masters. Corporations own our politicians and they now own the media. God help us if they get complete control of the internet.

Thank you, SOS ICEBERG, for the terse and totally accurate evaluation of fratboy-turned-sadist Bush (with the help of Cheney, Addington, Yoo, and co.)

One disagreement with JohnW1141--if the US is unable or unwilling to prosecute war crimes, an international court can bring charges leading to arrest when traveling abroad, à la Pinochet. It will take time, but that's one thing we do have.

Just wondering a bit here, being a citizen of this new world order and international courts and such, about whether petitioning this court you mention would constitute trea son or only se dition. Just wondering mind you... an act which I am told a remarkable number of legal scholars still believe does not violate any of this administration's publicly-known legal opinions. Have a good day!

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I'm not trying to infer that we shouldn't take all necesary steps to defend the country, but did you ever wonder about the percentage of this renditions thing being more of a world class collection of Don Seigelman types?

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Imply. You are not trying to imply that...

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I would like someone to please explain in what way Mukasey is different from Gonzales. He is just as much the coverup king and investigation blocker as Gonzales. His tenure is turning out to be just as criminal. Thanks, Senator Schumer. We don't need a special prosecutor. We need an army of special prosecutors to go after the whole tribe in the GOP and the Bush Administration.

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I would like someone to please explain in what way Mukasey is different from Gonzales.

He's not such an obvious putz. Other than that, yeah, you're right, no real difference.

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One point not mentioned enough (in my opinion) is that Bush could never have accomplished any of this without help from those folks who continued to vote money for him. some of those voted because they believed in his ideals. they were republicans. Others (the democrats) voted money for hime either because they believed in him or because their jobs and status were more important than America and the lives of innocent folks (many of them under the age of five).

Here we are now, many of us having voted for democrats who promised us change, and they have succeeded. We now have MORE democrats in Congress and Senate who support torture than we did before the great turnover.

I completely disagree with those who believe the democrats in power are any better than the republicans. ANYONE not wanting to send Bush and ALL the others to prison for life, after seeing and receiving the reports concerning torture, BELIEVE in torture.

Civilized human beings DO NOT condone torture. They DO NOT allow torture to continue, and they DO NOT resist prosecuting those who torture!!

What civilized people do is WHATEVER it takes to STOP torture and punish those who do not belong in a civilized world.

Our esteem representatives, however have decided that allowing these behaviors to continue is worth much more than the lives of a few thousand children. THESE people we voted in are helping MURDERERS, folks. Their salaries, and their important status is ALL they care about, and they (meaning the democrtats we elected) have already send thousands more to their deaths!

... and We are just as much to blame if WE vote to keep these murders in office... and just allow them to appease us with their little investigations and asking the administration to do this and that without actually DOING anything but wasting time untill the culprits are gone and out of sight and mind.

If ANONE NOT connected with Washington were to disgrace this country in the same way, does any one of you actually believe Congress would just continue to ask you to please comply? Of course not! They are just PLAYING us for fools. Any they can do this because we ARE fools! IMHO


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Hey, not to worry about this gut-wrenching reality continuing to bother you. Mukasey has refused to appoint a special counsel to investigate so this will be obscured from the public eye in no time.
THE COUNTRY HAS GONE MAD!
Not one of these f-wads will be held accountable.
We will, though. The population of the U.S. will be in many a bullseye because these mobsters have the savvy to steal elections and we are clueless about how to stop the bloody juggernaut.

well said!

Please, dear God, let the next United States Congress and United States Senate enact a law that those who committed war crimes during the Bush administration must be transported to the Hague for the eventual, thankfully inevitable, trials for war crimes.

That goes up to and including that degraded pig George W. Bush.

A pig like Bush will of course probably escape any reckoning--he'll be busy stealing more money from the pockets of the poor in his new position as C.E.O. or board member at Halliburton. But some of his goons will be sure to be caught in the net they themselves created.

So...WHEN WILL THE TRIALS BE??? IN TEN YEARS?? TWENTY??

Ahhh a great voice of reason. These guys ought to be thrown into the same prison as the German Gestopo crowd inhabited after WW2. This administration has made the US the shame of the world with their criminal behavior. I know lots of Republicans, really nice folks, who now refuse to face up to the criminality of the Bush junta. Sad, sad state of morality of our country. I never thought I would yearn for a simple blow job in our President's life, rather than these war criminals in power now, who have made our country a pariah in the area of human rights. Much of what happened at Gitmo could be found in the behavior of Nazi Germany's gestapo. Shame, shame, shame!!!! In the end, God is just and he will not let this muck go unpunished so I say, "haul these guys directly to the Hague, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00".

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Well, it only took 60 years for the atrocities of Korea to be declassified... just long enough for all the folks involved to play out their lives without any repercussions. The NON Gulf of Tonkin incident has been declassified after Johnson lived out his life.

It appears to me (and hopefully many more) that most of our so called "State Secret" statutes are to protect the important people in Washington and have nothing to do with protecting us common folk from the enemy(s).

The major purposes for our lives seems to have evolved to the point of nothing more than making sure the powerful stay powerful. It costs us our money, lives, and integrity around the world... just so the democrats or republicans in power can play their games with the peons. IMHO


A pig like Bush will of course probably escape any reckoning--he'll be busy stealing more money from the pockets of the poor in his new position as C.E.O. or board member at Halliburton. But some of his goons will be sure to be caught in the net they themselves created.

Oh, I think they'll be prosecuted for war crimes. But by an international tribunal, like other world leaders (Milosovic, etc.). When is happens is the question.

It's a widely held belief around the world that the U.S. has gotten away with criminal activity. So if a former Gitmo captive were to sue in international court, supported by a Human Rights group or his country of origin, I don't think he'd be ignored. They wouldn't go after a sitting American administration, and it's unlikely Bush himself would ever serve time (he's still Bush) but he would be charged, and people would go to jail.

For a man that's so concerned about his legacy, he'd be remembered as the War Crime President.

Bushco is the reason I have returned to believing in God. For I know that nothing Bushco does will be punished in this life, I can only look forward to the day they meet their Maker and explain themselves to Him.

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