blockquote needed.

And if you cannot believe the CIA, which has hidden incursions into almost ALL countries on earth, who still insists it had nothing to do with the overthrow of Iran's democratic government in 1953, which denied Power's capture over Russia, which has attempted assasinations on many leaders of the world, ete. etc..... if you cannot believe this agency... who CAN you believe....

It's nice getting them on the record and would be even better getting the relevant parties under oath.

If the CIA isn't lying, I guess we are to assume that the fabricated document came from... somebody with an unclear agenda.

It profoundly offensive to the American people, when a butt kisser like George Tenet lies about our security, just to get us into a shooting war, so Cheney and Bush can fill the coffers of their oil benefactors.

Fix this post to make it clkear what poart is a quote and what part is the RPM writer.

There need to be impeachment hearings NOW.
The charges are far too serious to be left hanging.
I already have no faith in the Democrats, and no one should have any. If they continue to put their electoral hopes above their responsbility of ascertaining once and for all the truth of these allegations- which make Watergate look like an innocent prank- they have no reason to continue on the public salary, because they are literally destroying our Government through their inaction.
I know the Democrats will do nothing. If they lose the election in November, then at least THEY will have gotten what they deserve.

Ron Suskind has written three books about the Bush Administration.
He has pointed out repeatedly that everything the President and Vice President did was with America, her citizens and the world foremost in their minds. Anytime anything bad happened it was always someone else doing the dirty work (CIA, Congress, etc.).
George Bush and Dick Cheney said a thousand times that they were doing it all for us.
Why is it so difficult for Americans to get this through their thick heads?
Ron Suskind (heart)

Georgie....you are not credible and no one believes any thing you and that lying bunch of crooks (squating in the White House) says

Please notice: Their comment isn't a denial.

BRADLEE: It's a non-denial denial.

BERNSTEIN: What's a real denial?

BRADLEE: Well, if they start calling us 'fucking liars', we should circle the wagons.

-- All The President's Men

Oh my, what's a body to do, believe Suskind or the CIA?

ITS A SLAM DUNK! SUSKIND!

I hope George Tenet strangles on that Presidential Medal.

From Ron's Web Site

A note to readers

I've decided to post a partial transcript of one of a number of taped conversations in which Rob Richer and I discussed, on the record, the Habbush letter. We discussed it many times through the spring of 2008.

Rob Richer received a copy of The Way of the World on Monday night, August 4, the day before publication. On Tuesday, he said he had read key portions of the book and was comfortable with what they contained. Later that day, though, he issued the following the statement:

"I never received direction from George Tenet or anyone else in my chain of command to fabricate a document from Habbash as outlined in Mr Suskind's book."

The conversation below took place in June 2008. As in all of our conversations, it shows Rob pressing to get at truth and embrace probity.

This posting is contrary to my practice across 25 years as a journalist. But the issues, in this matter, are simply too important to stand as discredited in any way.

--Ron Suskind

Interview Transcript

. . . Ron Suskind: I know we've talked through these things eight ways to Sunday, and hour after hour, but here's what I want you to ask yourself. Prior to me jogging your memory, okay--forget Habbush part one, okay.

Rob Richer: Okay.

Ron: You know, the prewar stuff, cause there's zillions of people in on that part. And there's people in on the second part, too. But here's my question to you: before I, as I said, before I jog your memory on this stuff, what do you--and I think I have a good idea, cause I've asked you this seven different ways, but I just want to make absolutely sure--what do you remember? If I just grabbed you on the street and said what do you remember of the second part, okay--with the letter and all the rest--what would be the high marks in terms of what you--memory's the best editor I think's a line from Tennyson--

Rob: Exactly.

Ron: What were the parts that you remember most vividly?

Rob: You're talking about Habbush himself, correct?

Ron: No, I'm talking about the second part, with the letter being passed from--through George [Tenet] and down the ranks. Cause at one point--and I know we have recollections at the top and that's fine--you have recollections, not from me but from your own memory on that--

Rob: Let me tell you what I know, just so before you color any of it. Is that when you first asked me about it I remember just really telling you that it was a non-event, and if you were to ask me today I would tell you it was a non-event. It came down from the seventh floor. It was part of--as I remember it, it wasn't so much to influence America--that's illegal--but it was kinda like a covert, a way to influence Iraqis.

. . .

Rob: To characterize it right, I would say, right: it came to us, George had a raised eyebrow, and basically we passed it on--it was to--and passed this on into the organization. You know, it was: 'Okay, we gotta do this, but make it go away.' To be honest with you, I don't want to make it sound--I for sure don't want to portray this as George jumping: 'Okay, this has gotta happen.' As I remember it--and, again, it's still vague, so I'll be very straight with you on this--is it wasn't that important. It was: 'This is unbelievable. This is just like all the other garbage we get about . . . I mean Mohammad Atta and links to al Qaeda. 'Rob,' you know, 'do something with this.' I think it was more like that than: 'Get this done.'

Ron: Do something with this, right. Get this, this is like--

Rob: It died a natural death as you know.

Ron: 'This thing stinks, take it.'

Rob: Yeah, kinda like that, yeah. But, you know, we got so much garbage that first couple—that year.

Ron: Were there other things like this where we were creating product?

Rob: You know, I don't remember that.

. . .

Ron: The intent--the basic raison d'etre of this product is to get, is to create, here's a letter with what's in it. Okay, here's what we want on the letter, we want it to be released as essentially a representation of something Habbush says. That's all it says, that's the one paragraph. And then you pass it to whomever to do it. To get it done.

Rob: It probably passed through five or six people. George probably showed it to me, but then passed it probably to Jim Pavitt, the DDO, who then passed it down to his chief of staff who passed it to me. Cause that's how--you know, so I saw the original. I got a copy of it. But it was, there probably was--

Ron: Right. You saw the original with the White House stationery, but you didn't--down the ranks, then it creates other paper.

Rob: Yeah, no, exactly. But I couldn't tell you--again: I remember it happening, I remember a terrible brief kinda joking dialogue about it, but that was it.

. . .

Ron: Now this is from the Vice President's Office is how you remembered it--not from the president?

Rob: No, no, no. What I remember is George saying, 'we got this from'--basically, from what George said was 'downtown.'

Ron: Which is the White House?

Rob: Yes. But he did not--in my memory--never said president, vice president, or NSC. Okay? But now--he may have hinted--just by the way he said it, it would have--cause almost all that stuff came from one place only: Scooter Libby and the shop around the vice president.

Ron: Yeah, right.

Rob: But he didn't say that specifically. I would naturally--I would probably stand on my, basically, my reputation and say it came from the vice president.

Ron: Right, I'm with you, I'm with you. But there wasn't anything in the writing that you remember saying the vice president.

Rob: Nope.

Ron: It just had the White House stationery.

Rob: Exactly right.

Ron: That's fine, White House stationery's fine. Everything's from there. You know, that's the center point. But not OVP's Office. It's just the White House. It comes from the White House. That's plain and simple.

Rob: And you know, if you've ever seen the vice president's stationery, it's on the White House letterhead. It may have said OVP. I don't remember that, so I don't want to mislead you. . . .

just like the italian forgery they pushed to claim saddam was seeking acquire yellow cake uranium.

i just finished the book and it is a very damning indictment of the Bush mal-Administration.

The remarks are offensive...true enough and that resolves the offensive / inoffensive debate. Now can we proceed with the acculturate / inaccurate debate?

Yeah, that's certainly not the CIA I know. The CIA I know would NEVER break the law. That's obviously why they take people to be tortured to countries where torture is legal. Oh wait, they illegally stopped in some of those other countries. Oh yeah, and the kidnapping. But that must be legal, right? I mean, if the CIA does it, that means that it must be legal.

How can Suskind even think of sullying the reputation of our CIA? How dare he!

So the same CIA that is, five years after the Iraq invasion and issuance of the "playing cards" that included Habush (really? Ha Bush? Does the universe need to drain off some irony?) is "unclear" on the whereabouts of Habush- -

that CIA, the one that couldn't tell the Niger letter was a forgery for eons (while *unassisted* **bloggers** ***spotted*** the Rather forgery in a heartbeat),

that CIA has done a thorough investigation and can pretty conclusively deny anything Suskind says that would harm Bush, in a flash and a heartbeat.

Well done boys and girls. Now go spend some time at Arlington, at Walter Reed, sit by some bodies of Iraqi toddlers reduced to ash, blood and bone in their mother's arms, go look at the poor here, the vets in the streets - - -and pat yourself on the backs. You won't do one damn thing for any of them but increase their ranks, but you cover for Bush, Cheney, Hayden & Tenet like champs.

Still, you're only the second string. Congress and in particular the Democrats in Congress have you trumped.

The CIA has a history of being inept. Take a good look at all of the screwups that the CIA has made over the years, the inability to foresee the breakup of the USSR, the inability to foresee the overthrow of the Shah of Iran(overthrowing the elected govt of Iran in 1953 and replacing it with a despot),not seeing the Iraq invasion of Kuwait in advance,not taking notice of OBL until too late, the wrong guess on WMD in Iraq. Not seeing the present problems with Pakistan, failure to observe what Russia was going to do with regards to Georgia. They have a very long list of failure. However, I do believe that the fake letter did not come from the CIA simply because the VP did not trust them, he felt that the CIA would not do what he wanted them to. So I believe that the fake letter went thru DoD to Feith and his little group of amateur wanna be OO7's.

For the most part, for their part, same thing. Not for the Agency's part.

What I find offensive is that the CIA would engineer a coup of the democratically elected leader of Iran and install a puppet dictator whose despotic rule gave birth to the Iranian revolution in reaction to said immoral coup.

The CIA finds an wholly-plausible accusation "offensive"...?

Spare me the crocodile tears and go fuck yourself Langley.

The CIA's offended, really?!

Bless their precious little hearts.

richer is now a major VP at... wait for it...

Black Water, Inc.

When dealing with the RADICAL LYING CORRUPT MURDERING SCUM IN THE US INTELIGENCE COMMUNITY....always remember:

a) trust your gut.

b) CRIMINALS sometimes wrap their punk ass game behind american flags, and specious attempts at fomenting fear and loathing as they CREATE THE PROBLEM SECRETLY, SO THAT THEY CAN BENEFIT FROM CREATING THE SOLUTION IN YOUR FACE.

c) Always trust a journalist who fires salvos at the secret drug dealing sociopaths in the US Intel Community.

This journalist stuck his neck out and faces a potential secret murder conspiracy as a form of retribution...and Suskind knew "he would have to back it up"...and that GARY WEBB IS VERY DEAD with two bullets in his head....so....."TRUST YOUR GUT" .

d) TENET is and was a "little Eichman" boy who happily played the same punk game that ROBERT SWAN MUELLER, III, played....when dealing with DARTH CHENEY.

TENET rolled over...ignored outrageous crimes...to keep his punk ass job.

Just like MUELLER at FBI HQ.

ASK TENET if he "knows anything about BEAN in South Dakota" and the DASCHLE CAMPAIGN MEMO alleging NSA CALEA WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING...linked to disgruntled CIA covert ops who did not like Cheney and Dumsfield's and Mueller's roll in the LOCKERBIE MURDERS OF CIA INTEL ANALYSTS COMING HOME TO BRIEF CONGRESS ON OLLIE NORTH'S TRIANGLE TRADE AND CIVILIAN MATERIALS ASSISTANCE GROUP (CMAG) that "...stole weapons for national guard bases, to trade for coke, and heroin".

Go ask Tenet that.

Ask Tenet why he got fired...even when he sucked Cheney's dick all day and delivered any intel that the Darth Cheney wanted?

TENET could not figure out....how he got fired and linked to Bean in South Dakota?

Go ask him.