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Out of Slammer, Ney Slams Bush Admin: "They've Taken Bloodsport to a Whole New Level
Freshly released from prison, former Ohio Republican Rep. Bob Ney is ripping into the administration, leveling charges that they were behind his prosecution.
Ney, who has taken to the airwaves as a radio commentator, recently appeared on the Thom Hartmann show to talk about the Bush administration's role in his prosecution and his past life as a felon.
"I made the bullets, I gave them the bullets," Ney says of his prosecution for bribery, but goes on to suggest that his willingness to challenge the administration's head-in-the sand approach to Iran made him a target.
From the transcript:
[Thom]: You were prosecuted by the Bush Administration for what Ellen [Ellen Ratner of Talk Radio News] has characterized to me as, you know, one possibly serious crime, one largely irrelevant crime. But mostly something that probably, a number of things that probably many members of congress could be gone after, and she seems to be of the opinion that your prosecution was a political prosecution because you were pushing back on Iran. You want to, can you speak to that, please?[Ney]: But at the end of the day, you know, I brought a lot of things on myself. . . And I did some things that were wrong. But I also believe that part of this was fueled in the sense of the Iran issue. It's been no secret that when I went to prison I gave permission for a secret meeting I'd had with Mr. Guldimann [Tim Guldimann, then Swiss Ambassador in Tehran] who came from Switzerland. He presented a document that was absolutely incredible, where Iran would have recognized Israel and a whole host of other things, would have let our inspectors on their ground; and I sent that to the White House.
I'll stand by that today; the White House denies it, but Colin Powell's former assistant admits that that came over to the State Department and the White House wanted no part of it. And I believe that every step of the way, and I think it came more from Cheney's people, but every step of the way that I attempted to deal with Iran, it got pretty harsh back. And so I think part of this, I made the bullets, I gave them the bullets, but I think some of the force was also involved with, you know, Iran and people that would rather see those countries not communicate, no matter who is head of Iran.
Later, Ney amps up his critique, saying that the administration has "taken bloodsport to a new level":
[Thom]: It so sounds like the Don Siegelman story and the Paul Minor story, and if you're not familiar with those two stories, I encourage you to do a little Googling. I think that we have political prisoners in the United States now.[Ney]: Well, I know that the harshness of the administration, and again, I take culpability, I did some wrong things, but when you get in their path, I think they've taken bloodsport to a new level in this administration.
Full transcript after the jump.
Thom Hartmann talks with former Republican Congressman Bob Ney, 20 August 2008
[Thom]: Bob Ney, welcome to the show.
[Ney]: Thank you.
[Thom]: I want to ask you about your prosecution and about Iran.
[Ney]: Sure.
[Thom]: I know you speak Farsi and all those kinds of things. But first, I wanted to ask you about the Help America Vote Act. You were one of the main, one of the principle advocates of that. It was at a time when, apparently, according to your staff you were starting to drink at 7:30 in the morning. I'm curious how involved you were in that, how much you remember of it and what interests were represented on the inside? Because this thing has in many ways, it seems, it has set the stage for massive voter fraud rather than solving voting problems.
[Ney]: Actually, Thom, I saw something on a blog the other day and it had a cartoon of me and it said 'HAVA: Help America Vote Act, HAVA', it said,' Have a drink', and it actually mentioned the 7:30 thing. You know, at that time I had an alcohol problem but it was a bit more severe after that. So it wasn't that I was attending those conferences, you know, intoxicated, but as far as the bill itself, I was approached on that bill by a lot of people, both sides of the aisle. And I authored the bill with Congressman Steny Hoyer. And I know there's been a lot of speculation on the bill because of Diebold.
[Thom]: And also ES&S, I mean, you know, Chuck Hagel's old company.
[Ney]: What's that?
[Thom]: Also ES&S, Chuck Hagel's old company, which is actually the largest of the companies that count the votes.
[Ney]: Oh, OK, yeah, Hagel, frankly I never had any contact with Hagel on the bill.
[Thom]: No, well he left the company behind when he ran for the Senate.
[Ney]: Oh, I see.
[Thom]: He used to be president of the company that became the company that became ES&S.
[Ney]: Oh, OK. And then I was approached due to the whole, you know, hanging chad situation. And on that bill we went, we went at, basically pretty well line by line, brought in just about every group under the sun involved in that bill and passed it on a completely bipartisan basis.
[Thom]: So you're saying that you believed at the time that it was actually the best thing for America.
[Ney]: Yes, I was, and I was approached to do the bill by members, not by, you know, any special interests or anybody of that sort.
[Thom]: Right, OK. Thank you for that clarification. Pardon me for interrupting you so often here but we only have about four minutes in this segment.
[Ney]: OK.
[Thom]: You were prosecuted by the Bush Administration for what Ellen [Ellen Ratner of Talk Radio News.] has characterized to me as, you know, one possibly serious crime, one largely irrelevant crime. But mostly something that probably, a number of things that probably many members of congress could be gone after, and she seems to be of the opinion that your prosecution was a political prosecution because you were pushing back on Iran. You want to, can you speak to that, please?
[Ney]: But at the end of the day, you know, I brought a lot of things on myself, let me say it right out front, at the end of the day. And I did some things that were wrong. But I also believe that part of this was fueled in the sense of the Iran issue. It's been no secret that when I went to prison I gave permission for a secret meeting I'd had with Mr. Guldimann [Tim Guldimann, then Swiss Ambassador in Tehran] who came from Switzerland. He presented a document that was absolutely incredible, where Iran would have recognized Israel and a whole host of other things, would have let our inspectors on their ground; and I sent that to the White House.
I'll stand by that today; the White House denies it, but Colin Powell's former assistant admits that that came over to the State Department and the White House wanted no part of it. And I believe that every step of the way, and I think it came more from Cheney's people, but every step of the way that I attempted to deal with Iran, it got pretty harsh back. And so I think part of this, I made the bullets, I gave them the bullets, but I think some of the force was also involved with, you know, Iran and people that would rather see those countries not communicate, no matter who is head of Iran.
[Thom]: So Iran came to you because you speak Farsi and you are the Iran expert in the House of Representatives.
[Ney]: Ambassador Guldimann, who was ambassador from Switzerland to Iran, he came to me.
[Thom]: Right. Their representative. In other words, they approached you through their legal representative.
[Ney]: And I had participated in the meeting in Stockholm.
[Thom]: And they said that they would recognize Israel and that they would allow UN inspectors into their nuclear sites, and you passed that information along to the White House, it fell down the rabbit hole and immediately you were being prosecuted.
[Ney]: It fell down the rabbit hole, there was a lot of kickback. I know that Guldimann had terrible problems after that, I think with, mainly through Rumsfeld's people and Cheney's people. That's what happened after that agreement.
[Thom]: It so sounds like the Don Siegelman story and the Paul Minor story, and if you're not familiar with those two stories, I encourage you to do a little Googling. I think that we have political prisoners in the United States now.
[Ney]: Well, I know that the harshness of the administration, and again, I take culpability, I did some wrong things, but when you get in their path, I think they've taken bloodsport to a new level in this administration.
[Thom]: "They've taken blood sport to a new level'. What a quote! Congressman Bob Ney, thank you for coming on our program and sharing candidly with us your story."
[Ney]: Thank you.





I'm looking forward to the book release on Sep. 5th:
The Perfect Villain: John McCain and the Demonization of Jack Abramoff
Gary S. Chafetz
August 27, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm the author of The Perfect Villain, which is about to be released and is available on Amazon. I became involved in this project because my instincts told me this story was too good to be true. No one could be so evil. This time I believe my instincts were right. I did my best to bleach out my political leanings and views. (I'm a registered independent, I’ve never given any money to a political campaign or political party, I’ve never worked for a political campaign, and I've never voted Republican.) I simply tried by best to examine the facts dispassionately.
Even though I had no contacts or connections of any kind to Mr. Abramoff, I was able to gain access to and persuade him to meet with me. Even though I conducted extensive interviews with him, for me it was the evidence that was most compelling in this complex story. Yes, it was valuable to hear his side of the story, his version/explanations, because he’d never really gotten much of a chance to do so, but I then did my best to confirm what he told me independently.
I began interviewing him five months before his incarceration. I was with him during the day and until 9pm, hours before he surrendered. We were text-messaging on his ride to prison and I was parked outside the Cumberland, MD federal prison when he arrived at 6:15 am on November 15, 2006.
After that, I visited him 13 times in prison--12 in the prison camp, and once in the medium-security prison next door (as the Bureau of Prison visitor’s log will confirm). (At this time, I’m not at liberty to say why he had been briefly transferred to the medium-security facility.) Prison interviews are not allowed without the permission of the warden. A visitor visiting a prisoner is not permitted any paper or pencil, or a tape recorder, which makes conducting an interview impossible. Therefore, these 13 visits were strictly social visits, not interviews, but they did allow me to further gauge the man, who has been clearly traumatized by what has happened to him. We usually spoke nonstop for five to six hours during these visits. Of course, I could not help writing down what I remembered when I got back to my car, and fortunately, I have a pretty good memory.
After exhaustively looking at publicly released documents, documents never released to the public, media stories, as well as conducting interviews with Abramoff, as well as his former SunCruz partners—Adam Kidan and Ben Waldman—and many others, I arrived at the following conclusions:
In my view, Mr. Abramoff never defrauded his Indian clients. The evidence clearly shows the benefits he provided to his tribal clients far, far exceeded his fees. This is why they kept hiring him year after year. His clients were hardly unsophisticated. Because they operated casinos whose revenues often approached $500 million a year, they could easily afford the very best lawyers, accountants, and consultants. They kept a careful watch over Mr. Abramofff and all of the tribes’ activities. Mr. Abramoff never bribed a single congressman or staff. He didn't have to. He simply played the lobbying game better than most. The “kickback scheme” with Michael Scanlon was simply a referral fee, perfectly legal. Lawyers, mortgage brokers, orthopedic surgeons do this all the time without disclosing this information to their clients. Mr. Abramoff is certainly not guilty of income-tax evasion. Essentially, he gave away most of his money to tax-exempt, non-profit organizations [501(c)3]. Indeed, he didn't even pay off his own home mortgage. He was eligible for massive deductions from his taxable income thanks to his generosity. As for the bank fraud (wire fraud) charges down in southern Florida, according to my analysis Mr. Abramoff would have never in a million years been found guilty had the cased gone to trial. Adam Kidan told me repeatedly that Abramoff knew nothing about the $23 million forged wire transfer. What's more, the lender was involved. They knew that Kidan had no money and was a bankrupt. And most revealingly, it was the lender that did not demand to escrow the $23 million cash deposit/downpayment, which is what the lender always did. The lender wanted the huge fees it was earning at the closing and the assets that were being purchased in aggregate were more than collateralized.
As for The Washington Post, its first stories seemed fair, but they were actually misleading, only because the subject matter was extremely dense and complex and not easily understood because the reporter had no expertise in Indian Country. The reporter appears to have been relying on information—from unnamed sources—supplied by Abramoff’s competitors. But I would have probably written those early stories the same way, only perhaps not as well. However, the Post ran a story on September 26, 2004, which crossed the bright red line. The story claimed that Abramoff was the world's most underhanded sleaze, because he had specifically, secretly, and deliberately shut down a tribe's casino in El Paso, so that he could then persuade the tribe to hire him to get their casino re-opened for a fee of millions of dollars. This story was false, possibly deliberately so. As a result, I believe the Post's 2006 Pulitzer Prize for breaking the Abramoff scandal should be rescinded.
The morning after the Post broke the first story, Sen. McCain--senior member, later chairman of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee--launched an investigation into Abramoff. For reasons that will be clear if you read The Perfect Villain, McCain was seeking political retribution for something notorious (and reprehensible) in which Abramoff had been unwittingly involved during McCain's presidential bid 2000. In 2006, McCain released his 373-page Senate Indian Affairs Report, which he called “fair, accurate, and neutral.” I have examined this report with a fine-tooth comb. McCain description of his report could not be further from the truth. I was astonished by how mendacious the report was, all paid for at tax-payer expense, which constitutes honest-services fraud.
So why did Abramoff’s tribal clients turn against him? Because they are very shrewd. Their consultants advised them that it was good business. They could sue his former employers-- law firms which did not want their e-mail traffic made public--and win huge settlements, which is what those tribal clients did. They got Abramoff’s brilliant lobbying services at an amazing discount.
So why in the world did Abramoff plead guilty? I believe it was because he was terrified not to. Federal prosecutors have a 95.5% conviction rate. They have unlimited resources. They threaten white-collar defendants that they will be found guilty of some technical crime, after which they will be put in a maximum-security prison with violent offenders for 30 years. Furthermore, they will be bankrupted by legal fees and traumatized by the whole process. Or, they can plead guilty to whatever the prosecutors say, agree to cooperate, receive a much-reduced sentence in a prison camp, and be out of jail in three years or so. A risk-averse person would have no choice but to plead guilty to whatever the prosecutors told them to plead guilty to. (BTW, according to a front-page story in the New York Times last November, over 25% of convicted rapists and murderers later cleared by DNA pleaded guilty.)
Now, Abramoff could not dare admit to me that all of this was true, because if he had, prosecutors might charge him with perjury for not being sincere when he pleaded guilty and for not being truly remorseful.
I know this goes against the grain of everything that you've ever read on the subject, but essentially, the Post wrote a truly mischievous story. McCain then wrote a deceitful report. And then the government suborned a white-collar defendant to commit perjury by terrorizing him into pleading to crimes he did not necessarily believe he was guilty of. Remember, Abramoff emphatically does not agree with my conclusions. However, what destroyed Abramoff was not a conscious conspiracy, just a perfect storm. However, it's not that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. He made himself vulnerable.
In the end, Abramoff wasn't a saint, but ironically The Washington Post, McCain, and the Justice Department--the white hats--turned out to the villains, a rather counterintuitive conclusion.
The problem for me with McCain was his utter mendacity in his report. He also employed an underhanded tactic. He only released about 2% of the Abramoff documents he had subpoenaed, which meant that independent investigators like me could not confirm McCain's conclusions. (Fortunately, I was able to get my hands on some of these documents.) It made me wonder if McCain is also withholding information about what really occurred during his 5 1/2 years as a POW. (I was also able to get my hands on four obscure documents-- published in Hanoi and Havana--of interviews he gave during his captivity that contradict McCain's claims in his later and multiple autobiographies.) McCain adamantly refuses to release his POW records. He refuses to release his Navy Service records. I've got to wonder what is he afraid of and what is he is trying to hide. Maybe there's nothing there, but I'd like to see for myself. At the moment, we're relying on John McCain as the only source and those records may contain information that may influence how the American electorate votes in the upcoming presidential election.
If you do end up reading The Perfect Villain, I'd be curious to know if you are persuaded that this story has gone from a black-and-white, open-and-shut narrative to a far more nuanced and complex one.
Gary S. Chafetz
By the way, someone posted that I was a member of FreeRepublic. I only signed up a few days ago so I could respond to someone’s comments. I did the same for Capitol Grilling. I’ve done the same for DailyKos and TPM.
September 6, 2008 7:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ohio Republican Rep. Bob Ney bobbin' and weavin his way into an as-of-yet undefined new act.
First act: "Connections at work." Ohio Republican Rep. Bob Ney landing on his feet to find that the game hasn't changed that much since the last time he was out.
August 27, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's basically complaining because the bloodsporters he used to hang around with didn't protect him. Such is the way of honor among thieves, as they say, but he still has the ear of the media so it can't be all bad.
I read this article with the same eye I see Scott McClellan's behavior the past few months. Crocodile tears.
August 27, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
As allways suspected, the US Repubicans are nothing more then a Military Industrial Complex. If your not part of the team, your an investor of the team.
You see, without war and conflict....how else are they supposed to make money...sitting around a camp fire smoking the peace pipe??? Oh...No that wont work either...we killed the Indians as well.
Until the old gaurd is dismantled, we forever be tied to this mafia.
August 27, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Iran, Cheney, Rumsfeld, nukes, the Swiss, voting and Abramoff. An interesting mix.
Let me throw a few things on the table.
-Last week, we found out that Cheney/Bush Administration leaned on the Swiss Government to destroy its evidence of Pakistani AQ Khan's proliferation activities. The US apparently did this because the CIA had "assets" working with Khan in the form of the Swiss Tinner family. The Tinners had long been connected with the CIA. The evidence was destroyed, according to the Swiss Prime Minister.
-Partly due to the destruction of this evidence, Khan now runs free.
-Iran is believed to have done nuclear business with Khan.
Now we learn that the Swiss contacted Ney to serve as a backchannel to Tehran. Swiss things just keep cropping up.
-Back in February 2006, Dick Cheney was hunting with US Ambassador to Switzerland Pamela Willeford at the Armstrong ranch - during the Whittington shooting. Cheney tried to cover up all aspects of the incident. No good explanation yet as to why Willeford was there that day.
-Earlier, it had been reported that Valerie Plame's cover employer, Brewster-Jennings & Associates may have been tracing some of the illicit nuke money through Switzerland. We know what Cheney did to Plame... Maybe it was more than just retribution over her husband's works.
Things just keep coming up Swiss.
August 27, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you have a link for the first item?
August 27, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two links for you.
Reporting:
NYT 8-24-08 - In Nuclear Net's Undoing, a Web of Shadowy Details.
Good Commentary:
Emptywheel - We Have Met the WMD Terrorists, And They Are US.
August 27, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
ratfucked by a Republican? That's unpossible!
August 27, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
i seem to recall rumors that the administration had rebuffed an attempt by the iranians to make nice through swiss channels, but that the administration, read cheney, deep sixed it.
August 27, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was reported in the news, not just rumors.
August 27, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excerpted from 10/31/07 Council on Foreign Relations Discussion.
August 27, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
US Ambassador to the UN Khalilizad was recently slapped back by the State Department for carrying on dialogue with the perceived popular successor to Pakistan's General Musharaf.
As noted in the CFR snippet above Khalilzad was also involed in the US-Iranian backchannel negotiations. Back in January, Khalilzad was also 'famously' slapped down by Condi Rice for having gone to the World Economic Forum and sat next to the Iranian Foreign Minister.
Both Pakistan and Iran policy are areas the neocons want to control.
August 27, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheney. What a surprise.
Obama hasn't evidence of any egregious behavior to prosecute when he's in.
Just this crap. And the Bandidni mountain it's part of. It's so yesterday. And today. And tomorrow.
August 27, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a just world, Cheney would get 10 or 20.
But not, you know, in this one.
August 27, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a just world, Dennis Kucinich wouldn't have had to edit his speech, either.
August 27, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
So we don't need to go to War with Iran and kill innocent women, children and men. We don't have to destroy one of the great ancient cities. We don't need to invade a country with 80 million people.
August 27, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kinda makes me feel a little sorry for the scheming bastard convict.
August 27, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
His first mistake was learning how to speak Farsi. When you start learning things and hearing outside perspectives it gets you into all kinds of trouble with the GOP.
August 27, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe if Bob had gotten his head out of the whickey bottle, he would have seen this coming. There is no honor among thieves.
August 27, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
***Citoyen92...thanks for posting that. Extremely informative. Not only did this administration reject anything that might disrupt their plans of aggression but they also want to keep it secret.
Ney was a corrupt politician who had the misfortune of being the receiver of information that would have led to turning Iran into a friend which interfered with the neocon plan to demonize the nation to further their plans to steal their resources.
It was all so unnecessary and cost us dearly in blood and treasure. Why would anyone even consider allowing these thugs to continue their agenda of fear and war. So unnecessary.
August 27, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Cheney, Rice, Feith, Wolfowitz, et al didn't believe the Iranian letter was genuine - since it wasn't doctored up by the CIA or Curveball.
August 27, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
The scary part is that McCain is even worse and would no doubt try to lead us into World War III. "Christians" v. Muslims, end-of-days, Armageddon and all that. It's a very real possibility.
Vote Smart in '08. The fate of the world hangs in the balance.
August 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a Republican this alone is making me vote for Obama in November.
Are we really willing to enter a regional/global war to protect Israel?
I'd like to ask McCain if he HAD to prioritize which would be first:
The U.S. Economy
The U.S. Military
Israel
(the first 2 are my preference and Israel rates much further down my list with U.S. Energy and U.S. Education far above it)
August 27, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
lemme get this straight. Ney is claiming that the Bushies bushwhacked a loyal soldier? Not likely. Unlike Don Siegelman and Paul Minor, Ney is guilty, guilty, guilty.
August 27, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
More like wrong place, wrong time for Ney. He spoke Farsi and was known to the Iranians because he had been there in the Peace Corps and was a black market conduit for aircraft parts and other things they couldn't get beacause of the US embargo.
So, naturally, the Iranians expected they could approach him with overatures, since he was an interested party.
What Ney didn't factor in was the neocon worldview. By approaching the cabal with an alternative viewpoint - or representing the chance for normalized relations with Iran (something the neocons didn't want) he became an immediate threat and had to be dealt with. Like Joe Wilson. Like Valerie Plame (if she and Brewster-Jennings had their hooks into nuke money laundering in prison).
Sure, he was/is crooked. Abramoff didn't jump into his pocket. But criminals can also be victims. He just had to remain silent since he was in prison, and didn't want to be violated!
August 27, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Sure, he was/is crooked. Abramoff didn't jump into his pocket. But criminals can also be victims. "
Bingo.
Take a long hard look at Ted Stevens indictment, (only gift receiving NOT corruption) and his feelings towards McCain.
He opposed McCain on a LOT of things, namely ANWR.
I've never heard Ted Stevens endorse McCain, only that he thinks Alaska interests are better served by the Republican platform - his language insinuates that he believes Obama will win, but that Republicans need to mitigate the congressional majority of Democrats. Weird, a Republican that wants to avoid ANOTHER one-party administration.
Checks and Balances people, Checks and Balances.
August 27, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
So... guilty or not guilty on party membership alone?
Are you saying that all Republicans are guilty?
Group think is what got us Bush, don't be so naive that group think can't possibly occur under a Democratic majority.
August 27, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately for your thesis, a majority of Americans, individuals (not all Dems, btw) are calling DubCo out. Of course, I'd expect the Dems to systemically disagree with most things Republican, but DubCo is an example of the latest (of the last 30-or-so years) brand of Republicanism taken to the extreme.
So, why bitch about folks who would rather not subscribe to fascism? Or did you not see it that light as so many of your countrymen did years ago?
August 27, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Siegelman's prosecution has really cast a paul over the entire U.S. justice dept, since at this point anyone who's politically connected can claim that their prosecution was politically motivated.
August 27, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it interesting that a Cheney letter will be submitted as evidence in Ted Stevens trial despite no charges to accompany it?
Ask yourself, if there are Bush Republicans and non-Bush Republicans - which ones are being prosecuted vigorously and which ones are not?
Yet not a single person has been charged or punished directly for the leak of Valerie Plame's CIA position?
August 27, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The most politicized administration in the White House in history. I am totally not surprised. Fall in line or on your sword or else...
August 27, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Yet not a single person has been charged or punished directly for the leak of Valerie Plame's CIA position?" Posted by witty1
August 27, 2008 5:16 PM.
And no one will be charged or punished directly for the leak of Valerie Plame's CIA position.
Quite frankly, I think the Department of Justice has become useless in this matter. It (and its current head) is afraid to go after the leaker.
As a matter of fact, the DOJ has been useless in prosecuting any White House wrong.
And given the current Congress granting of immunity to the telecom industry for its part in the illegal spying on Americans, it has passed the message to the American people and to those who illegally participated, that it too is afraid to expose and punish the wrong doings of the White House.
But let Joe Blow steal a sixpack of beer and his ass is going to jail.
August 27, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a Republican it certainly looks like the witch hunt against ALL Republicans is being conducted by Bush Republicans.
I never trusted that sleazy fuck.
A liar is a liar regardless of party affiliation. I knew Bush was a liar in '99 during the primary.
I was shocked and stunned that he won the primary AND the presidency TWICE.
Be suspicious of ANY politicians that seems to share every single policy position and worldview - they are likely to be contrived.
I'm beginning to think that McCain is the Pro-Israel-because-Jesus-will-only-come-back-if-there-is-an-Israel Manchurian Candidate. Fucking scary.
August 27, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
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August 27, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Citoyen 92 ,
Good post.
August 27, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"So... guilty or not guilty on party membership alone? Are you saying that all Republicans are guilty?" Posted by witty1.
What does/will it take for Americans to understand the little political/ideological differences between the two political partys; that there is only one party and that is the Business Party.
These people/politicians are playing a game bigger than the average American can even dream about, much less comprehend. As Bob Dylan sang talking about the average American on his first album, "They're only a pawn in their (the government's) game."
And given Dick Cheney's flipant reply "SO?" to the deaths of over four thousand Americans soldiers in Iraq, not a single Congressional politician (Republican or Democrat)was courageous enough to call him on it (nor did his little mousey Sunday morning show host, Tim Russert).
You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
August 27, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ney played by Stalin's sword.
August 27, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
A bit more on Brewster, Jennings, = Iran Nukes
http://istanbul.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/171680.php
August 28, 2008 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
"As Bob Dylan sang talking about the average American on his first album, 'They're only a pawn in their (the government's) game.'"
Go back and listen to the song; you're misrepresenting it. It wasn't about gummint, despite your extremist right-wing-originated anti-gum'mint parnoid hysteria.
We the people are the gov't. Those to whom you refer are thugs, anti-American criminals, only some of whom hold gov't offices.
The gov't -- jerk -- is the Constitution, the rule of law, and the enforcement of those.
August 28, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Citoyen 92,
What if all this was one big effort to false flag Iran -that is come up with a concocted plan to falsely but convincingly charge "the Mullahs got the bomb !" . Once we got the heads up about the Iranian loose nuke then what better reason to go after Tehran.( Just like we went after Baghdad)
I also wonder if this has a connection to whistleblower /FBI translator being muzzled - Ms Edmonds should be allowed to speak someday soon. This does sound terribly conspiratorial -but after the last eight years I wake up every morning hereing some kind of vague Oliver Stone theme music playing in my head,
August 28, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink