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Court Delays Miers and Bolten Congressional Testimony
Monday did not bring good news for the House Judiciary Committee. A federal appeals court has delayed the testimony of Harriet Miers and Josh Bolten, in the latest ruling (pdf) in the epic back and forth between the executive and legislative branches. The decision pushes the issue into the next administration.
From the AP:
Time will run out on this year's congressional session before the battle between two branches of government can be resolved, according to the ruling by a three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.The ruling essentially pushes any resolution on the politically charged case until next year.
"The present dispute is of potentially great significance for the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches," wrote the panel of judges, two of whom were appointed by Republicans.Still, the judges wrote, "Even if expedited, this controversy will not be fully and finally resolved by the judicial branch ... before the 110th Congress ends on January 3, 2009. At that time, the 110th House of Representatives will cease to exist as a legal entity, and the subpoenas it has issued will expire."
HJC Chairman John Conyers (D-MI) has already indicated that the committee will appeal, but did not give a timeline.
"While the delay caused by this incorrect decision is unfortunate, at the end of the day, I believe Judge Bates' decision will be affirmed and that Harriet Miers and other key witness will appear before the House Judiciary Committee, and that we will get to the bottom of the Bush administration's disgraceful politicization of the Justice Department," said Conyers in a statement.













Well...Conyers...I guess you can hang your hat on this most exceptional handling or bungling of a clear cut case of contempt of congress and the constitution. You must be amazed at your skill as a chairman and a leader to let these thugs off..
I find you sir..in comtempt of your responsibilities and hope you will be held in comtempt by the voters of your district! you are a former hero of mine who has fallen so low and you shall be remebered as a complicit partner of the Bush Administration. SHAME ON YOU! You ran from the truth!
October 6, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with both your posts. Conyers had all the tools he needed at his disposal to frog-march these curs into the Capitol jail. Instead, he chose to circulate letters among their lawyers. How polite.
As it sits there is a marked paucity of statesmen/heroes in Congress anymore. Conyers is definitely off my list as well.
October 6, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why attack Conyers? It was a pair of Republican judges who made this ruling. This is comparable to other such rulings that hold that the American people must be shielded from any information that might inform their voting choices. And, it is comparable to the US Supreme Court ruling that allowing a recount of the Florida vote might present a hardship to George Bush. Repub judges rule as they please, laws and the Constitution are just impediments as far as they are concerned.
October 6, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hoppy-
it's a 3 judge panel. No dissents. So one "D" bought the arguments, which I don't agree with, but it's dangerous to think the ruling is wrong just because R judges signed off on it. The subpoenas will expire, rendering the dispute "moot," but arguably capable of repetition while evading review.
The problem with the democrats in the house is that they believe in a level of good faith that simply did not exist in the Bush White house. The question is after the election whether or not the Obama administration is going to enforce the subpoenas and whether Congress is going to re-issue them. At that point, they'll have to decide whether or not Congress is intruding on their prerogatives by compelling these folks to show up. I simply don't know what level of accountability will be sought by the next D administration, or by the Chairman in the new Congress.
October 6, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama1st will always attack conyers 1st.
obama1st would apparently be happy if only conyers had ordered the sergeant at arms to jail everyone EVEN IF it meant that public opinion would swing so far against the investigation that absolutely nothing was ever accomplished and justice was never served.
October 6, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alaskans just love the way Palin has trashed her troopergate subpoenas.
Get a fucking clue. Nobody approves of this behavior except for fascists.
October 7, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am disappointed in this decision but am not surprised that the Bush administration succeeded in stonewalling the investigation. The only up side that I see is that, in the event that the investigation continues into the next administration, Miers and Bolton [and Rove] will enjoy neither executive privilege nor the relief of a Presidential pardon.
October 6, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not a lawyer, but can't Bush pardon all these people even before they're indicted or convicted? That's what I expect to happen.
October 6, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since there never was a legal challenge of Ford's pardon of Nixon, or of H.W. Bush's pardon of Weinberger, we don't know the answer to that question. The generally accepted understanding, however, is that the power to pardon is not constrained by whether the pardonee is indicted at the time of the pardon.
October 6, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the reply. That's what I thought. I expect there'll be a long list of pardonees on January 19th or sooner.
Rove, Cheney, Miers, Bolton, Goodling, Gonzalez and all those other clowns.
October 7, 2008 6:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you've got that right.
That said, though - a pardon does not absolve them of any obligation to testify in the future, and furthermore, once pardoned, they no longer have recourse to a Fifth Amendment claim to refuse to answer questions about the matters they were pardoned for.
October 7, 2008 7:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Scooter Libby received a novel 'commutation' of a sentence whose term he had not begun to serve, not a pardon.
Look for variations on this theme for valued Admin assets. The Fifth Amendment applies to such 'commuted,' but not pardoned, individuals.
October 7, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope the decision isn't reached until after Obama is inaugurated so that Bush can't pardon them.
October 6, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why attack Conyers??? He delayed hearings! Took no immediate action on contempt charges...allowed the courts to control the time frames..and always had an ace in the hole of inheret contempt wherein they would ordered for arrest and held by the House of Representatives! He showed no courage or conviction of principle on these issues. Like I said, Conyers of the old days, was a hero of mine. Today, he neeeds to retire his chair and let Sanchez take over. He failed all of us in getting to the truth and justice of the Bush Administration!
October 6, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're two for two on totally overheated rhetoric. You gonna be okay or should we have your prescription upped?
October 6, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
conyers did not 'delay' hearings.
that conyers hasn't deployed the nukes at his disposal is a reflection of a lack of public support for the use of that option, not a reflection of any lack of doggedness on the part of conyers let alone the deliberate sinking of the investigation you want to accuse him of.
October 6, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why attack Conyers??? Because he is indicative of this impotent, inept and ineffectual Congress who has failed to hold this criminal Administration accountable for their various transgressions against the Constitution. I mean, lying & obstructing the 9/11 investigation; lying & fabricating evidence about the Iraq War; torturing people; illegal & warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens; politically motivated firing of U.S. attorneys; fraud, waste & abuse at the Pentagon, refusing to regulate & exercise oversight over Wall Street, etc. CLEARLY CONGRESS HAS NOT EXERCISED THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY AS A CO-EQUAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. It sickens me. Congress acts so genteel and writes letters and wrings their hands instead of forcefully prosecuting hearings, investigations and indictments.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT THINK THE "PEOPLE" WANT MIERS & BOLTON ARRESTED FOR CONTEMPT THEN YOU ARE OBLIVIOUS TO THE AMOUNT OF ANGER & HOSTILITY RESONATING IN THIS COUNTRY. WE ARE SICK OF IT AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO... our freedoms & rights are eroding; our Government is on a reckless course run by idiot ideologues who only govern for the benefit of a private elite... and all you do is defend Conyers and the other Democrats with a 10% approval rating and the worst record of legislation in the history of our country.
October 6, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Lack of public support?"
That is a strange charge to make considering that both Congress and the President are at all-time historic lows in public approval.
Right now everything our Government is doing has a "lack of support."
Maybe you should ask yourself why confidence in our government has utterly collapsed.
October 7, 2008 7:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sanchez?
As in, Loretta Sanchez??!?
Surely you jest!
October 6, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Erwin has it all correct. This has to go forward, all over, again, in the next administration. Only then will we have finality. And justice. And DECENCY.
It's completely possible that the two judges, despite being Republicans, see this as well.
October 6, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Even if expedited, this controversy will not be fully and finally resolved by the judicial branch ... before the 110th Congress ends on January 3, 2009. At that time, the 110th House of Representatives will cease to exist as a legal entity, and the subpoenas it has issued will expire."
In other words, Congress cannot be party to a legal dispute that takes more than two years to resolve.
So, any time Congress takes you to court, all you have to figure out how to do is run out the clock.
This can't be accepted legal reasoning, can it? If this potentially sets a precedent, then it needs to be challenged.
October 6, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, this is fine and constitutional. I doubt the framers ever contemplated a Congress failing to impeach an AG, a VP, or a President who tried to run out the clock on the exercise of its oversight function.
The whole lawsuit was a means for both sides to run out the clock (under the expectation that the next administration would deal with it, for good or ill). So long as Obama is elected, and the new AG (or an I.P.) prosecutes the living hell out of the Gonzales, Bolton, Meiers, et al., I am fine with that.
October 6, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two quick points:
1) The more relevant precedent is the one that required Clinton to testify in the Gennifer Flowers sexual harassment case. If the bar for a government officer's testimony is set that low, the requirement for testimony in this case certainly meets that standard.
2) Pardoning these two, or anyone else, simply removes their argument against testifying, because they can't incriminate themselves. Then, if they still refuse, they can be charged with obstructing justice and be fined or sent away.
October 6, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Without looking at the legal reasoning, does this make Congressional subpoenas in the last quarter of a Session merely oddly phrased invites ?
This certainly holds the force of precedent, unless the item is misreported, as it does not appear to be decided in summary fashion. Interestingly, future challenge to a more sympathetic Supreme Court will always be procedurally troublesome on grounds of mootness.
Think "Bakke".
We should all be aware that the Pardon Power is not so limited as implied. Future Congress's may very well compel appearance but the Executive power of pardon allows, for pardon of any of these for their acts.
Now, about progressive efforts to stop the appointment of Federalist Breakfast Club to the Appeals Courts, not challenging hard enough looks like a bad strategy by us and our compliant Democratic reps.
October 6, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
This does indeed hold the force of precedent.
But we all knew the Democrats' strategy was bad, of letting the Republicans run wild so they could be done with their looting in time for the next elections.
Once an institution is broken, it cannot be so easily repaired as Democrats dream. It is why certain Democratic lawmakers have suggested it is time to bring back the Independent Counsel. I hope this time they are prepared for the worst from the Republicans.
October 7, 2008 7:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
As much as we all would like to see justice in this matter, as soon as the next president takes office, these cases will fade into history.
That will suit the Republicans just fine as it gets them off the hook.
The excuses that the Democrats will use are;
"We have more important things to do;
"We must concentrate on rebuilding the economy",
"We must solve our problems in the Middle East",
"It's too late to prosecute anyone after the fact",
"We have helped the Republicans cover up the telecom spying affair,
We have refused to call into witness Sibel Edmonds,
We have to pass legislation that will put some controls back into our lending processes without impeding "free enterprise" (isn't that a joke?),
"We have to ...."
You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
October 6, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I seriously don't understand this "refusing to cooperate" crap. Where was this during the Army/McCarthy hearings? I think a lot of people would be interested to know that they could have gotten away with just "not cooperating" with Congress.
It should go like this
1) Congress says "come talk."
2) You say "no."
3) Congress issues a subpeona
4) You don't go
5) You're in contempt of Congress
6) YOU GO TO JAIL.
Screw the SCOTUS. This isn't their area. Subpeona power is an explicit power that Congress gets in order to conduct their own business.
October 6, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The appeals court could still look at the issue en banc, meaning the whole court and not just the three judge panel. Unlikely. The congress expiring does not have to moot the issue. A congress will always expire. Given how long litigation takes these days one could always run out the clock on a congress. That principal would allow further court review, despite a new congress in 2008.
They could easily continue the suit, the question is will they (the courts).
My guess is no, especially after Bush v. Gore. Courts intervening in the political realm is really distasteful to them now.
October 6, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Justice is off the table O.o
October 7, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Want to see the the testimony expedited?
Simple, just have the Sergeant at Arms arrest Ms. Meiers and escort her to appear before the Committee, as authorized by law.
As they say in Wasilla, that'd light a fire under their asses.
October 7, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Want to see the the testimony expedited?
Simple, just have the Sergeant at Arms arrest Ms. Meiers and escort her to appear before the Committee, as authorized by law.
As they say in Wasilla, that'd light a fire under their asses.
October 7, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
"My guess is no, especially after Bush v. Gore. Courts intervening in the political realm is really distasteful to them now."
You do realize that the only institution that has stood up to Bush is the Supreme Court re habeas corpus and the entire kangaroo court system that Bush and Congress colluded together to produce.
The judicial branch was introduced to adjudicate between two coequal, contending branches. Unfortunately the branches are only equal these days in their desire to f*ck over the American people.
October 7, 2008 7:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
winoohno, I couldn't have said it better myself. I stopped making contributions to the DSCC a year ago - used to give regularly - and tell them every time they contact me that they get no more money until they dump Harry Reid and get someone with balls to run the Senate. I am so sick of the lack of courage of the Democrats.
I am absolutely going to vote for Obama, but from the very first my concern about him is that he sells himself as able to find compromises between differing parties. I am sooo tired of compromises (they all result in wins for the Republican). I'd really like a leader that leads. That explains why he/she is going to force through a solution, not compromises away from what he/she really wants.
Arggghhhh!
October 7, 2008 7:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Executive privilege appears to be something but we will never know what because Conyers just didn't have quite the desire to find out. He is playing an old cheney game of keeping those he represents in the dark.
October 7, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
In response to "wino ohno":
1) ..."Why attack Conyers??? Because he is indicative of this impotent, inept and ineffectual Congress who has failed to hold this criminal Administration accountable for their various transgressions against the Constitution."...
RESPONSE: Exactly. Look at the time frame when HOUSE AND SENATE DEMS knew about THOMAS S. BEAN'S COMPLAINT...and TORTURE, PIN HOLE SPY CAMERAS IN MY HOME...Tampering with a DOJ OIG complainant?
CONYERS had all he needed and still...he and his staff...refuse to coordinate, explore, facilitate my authentic testimony in his hearing?
CONYERS subpoenas lying scum who "stonewall" yet...CONYERS and his punk Uncle Tom staff, refuse to talk to THOMAS S. BEAN, CARY GAGEN, CAROL HOWE, DR MARK GORDON, SPECIAL AGENTS MILLER, PLUTA, HELLER, REYNALDS from Sioux Falls, SD, FBI?
SD HWPATROL JEFF TALBOT'S murder investigation and preliminary inquiry (after my phone call to him) was OBSTRUCTED resulting in Talbot's resignation from a high position in SD law Enforcement. These are RED FLAGS FOR A LOWLIFE, LYING, CORRUPT PUNK NAMED CONYERS to explore...no?
2)..." CLEARLY CONGRESS HAS NOT EXERCISED THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY AS A CO-EQUAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT."....
RESPONSE: Yup...bubba...you got a very intimidated congress who noticed how US SEN TIM JOHNSON AND SEN KENEEDY AND LEROY ROGERS, JON VAN PATTEN, NOVAK, RUSSERT...all had "mysterious health problems" facilitated and protected and obstructed by a cowardly, corrupt, lowlife, miserable, criminal punk named ROBERT SWAN MUELLER, III, who testified that..."...he was innocent because he was relying upon his protocol" and "...we get our referrals from the US Attorney General..."?????
3) I STUCK MY NECK FOR JUSTICE IN HIGH PROFILE CASES AND GOT CHIPPED, MIND CONTROLLED, TORTURED, AND STALKED FOR 22 YEARS:
----MEXICAN MAFIA MURDERS as known to austin junkie GEORGE REYES @ "tragicstarlet@hotmail.com";
----YOGURT SHOP MURDERS IN AUSTIN, TEXAS, USED TO FACILITATE INSURANCE PAYOUTS a/o fraud;
----CHRISTINA MOORE MURDER OF AN ENRON WITNESS linked to NSA--902ND COUNTERINTELIGENCE UNIT--NSA TSP mercs on the ground--Austin lawyer WHITTINGTON--DICK CHENEY--Cheney's secretive energy task force;
----SAN ANTON FBI COINTELPRO harassment of singer WILLY NELSON in retaliation for Nelson's FARM AID social activism (FBI snitch STEVEN GOLDFEIN at "info@overdubinc.com";
----20 sex crimes committed by former Austin FBI agent MICHAEL D. MANNO now living in Phil, Pa...and the CONSPIRACY TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE BY SPECIAL AGENT JOHN MASPERO, APD ASS CHIEF JIMMY CHAPMAN;
----CONSPIRACY TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE when APD AND TRAVIS CTY PROSECUTOR RONNIE "Tom Delay prosecutor" EARLE all "hid exculpatory evidence of Ochoa's and Danziger's innocence" so that Lt Hector Polonca's statute of limitations would run out?;
So much more...RCMP ARREST WARRANT FOR FBI AGENT TERRY NELSON'S MONTANA DRUG CONSPIRACY...GOP MONEY LAUNDERING...MURDERS BY FBI HITMAN MIKE "chuckie" PETERS (same guy sent after me in Luverne, Minnesota by ROBERT SWAN MUELLER, III in 2005?
October 7, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink