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Report: Rahm And Blago Talked About Senate Seat

Did Rahm Emanuel speak to Rod Blagojevich about the governor's plans to fill the Senate seat left open by Barack Obama?

That's what a Fox affiliate in Chicago has reported, based on "a source familiar with the investigation" into the Illinois governor.

Fox Chicago News reports that Emanuel, the Chicago congressman who was appointed shortly after the election to be Obama's White House chief of staff, had "multiple conversations" about the issue with the governor himself and with Blagojevich's chief of staff, John Harris -- who this week was charged along with his boss.

The source said it was likely that these conversations were recorded, since they took place after the federal wiretaps had begun.

Of course, it would not be surprising if Emanuel had spoken to the governor about options to fill the seat. Fox Chicago said that the source didn't say whether those conversations involved any quid pro quo or dealmaking.

Obama yesterday pledged to canvass his staff about conversations with Blagojevich's office over the seat, and disclose what he finds out soon. Obama said that none of his staff had discussed any kind of deal for the seat.


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who knew what when, and what did they do about it

that is still the key question.

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One would think that with Blago calling the President (and/or his Peope) "motherfuckers" for not Paying To Play that Rahm not only didn't agree to the shake down, but also did it in a way that pissed off Blago. Knowing Rahm, who isn't shy with the M-F'ers himself, that could be a very color tape (or tapes).

Still, Obama and Rahm need to get their story out on this. Go back into Campaign Mode where it's important to stay ahead of the Narrative. More importantly, though, is to get out the truth regardless of how it looks.


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I suspect we'll see a full info dump at 7:00 tonight.

Take out the trash day.

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This is why we need human beings in Washington, not politicians. Obama is a politician. He knew about this when he made his first statement. As usual he is trying to see how much he needs to say, instead of just telling the truth. I did not vote this year for the first time in 18yrs, because we need to get regular people in Washington. I am tired of multimillionaires, with time on their hands, telling us all what is best for us. You have to be rich to even run for office. All politicians lie and cut deals at the peoples' exspense. Why are there no term limits in congress?

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Politicians are human beings. And like human beings they lie, cheat, steal and are subject to temptation. Ever saw All The King's Men?

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Brett are you sure he knew about it? Rahm dose have a streak about him and the proof that he will go about doing stuff on his own?

If he did or didn't know about it I would love to see the proof. Maybe Obama sent Rahm to strighten him out.

Sadly My opinion is that Rahm acted on his own whim and didn't pull Obama into the loop.

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DAC: the key answer is that the incoming administration was not offering any quid for the criminal's quo. If Blago asked what he could get in return from anyone within the Obama camp and was told appreciation and nothing more, the pointless details only serve to prolong the news cycle. Far better to inquire more deeply into Blago's malfeasance.

Bret08: No term limits in Congress because there are none in Article I of the U.S. Constitution.

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Since Emanuel boasted about being responsible for
Blago's re-election( and later recanted when called out by a colleague) and had ties to Obama, Jackson, Duckworth, etc. it is hard to imagine how he could not have had converstions with Drago and Co.

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If Rahm said or did anything untoward, he should step come forward and admit it openly and frankly. This is not the time to be playing games--because of the obvious decimation of our economy (meltdown is an understatement) by Bush and his cronies, this new administration has to hit the ground with a flying start and they have no margin of error.

If Rahm made any kind of quid pro quo with Blago, then he should tender his resignation as Chief of Staff. Obama has enough problems, he doesn't need this distraction. Rahm is one tough tomato, but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

I have another theory of what happened, I think Valerie Jarrett may have been asked by Blago for some outrageous position within the Obama administration when she met with him, and I think she was repulsed by it and immediately, told somebody, probably Obama that Blago wanted to be Secy. of HHS, and that that was the dime that got dropped that escalated events. She is the closest person to both Obama and Michelle, and like they, she wouldn't play ball with a morally bankrupt person like Blago who also happened to despise Obama. That is just my opinion--I could be way off base.

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Hypothetically, it wouldn't break my heart if Rahm we're to get sucked down the Blago drain. Hypothetically, mind.

Part of me has a really bad feeling about that guy and the role he's likely to play versus progressives.

But I could be wrong. Just ask my mother in law.

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Isn't this the same station that said it was Rahm who told the FBI what Blago was doing, only to find that it wasn't true?

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Yep.

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'We The People', have the power, but we the people never seem to understand that. We can change the constitution if we want to. No one person should be allowed to sit in congress for 40yrs. They are millionaires or become millionaires after taking public office. We have to step up and demand better for our country. When Bush said, "I am the decider", we should have pulled him from the white house kicking and screaming. We are the deciders, but too many of us doen't realize that.

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We are not deciders in the sense you seem to be using the term. The USA is a republic.

We are deciders in that we vote for representatives, both in the legislative and executive branches to decide for us.

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No one person should be allowed to sit in congress for 40yrs.
Civics pedant: That isn't allowed - the Constitution expressly limits Congressional terms to 2 year for Representatives, and 6 years for Senators. They have to re-apply for the job before the end of every term.

Maybe we should pass an amendment outlawing having or making more than a million dollars. Seems like that would solve the problem.

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I am a politician, therefore I obfuscate.

It is that simple.

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I am CEO, therefore I obfuscate.

Works like that, too.

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I am a human being, therefore I obfuscate.

And that as well.

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I am a young child or suffer from any of a number of developmental delays and disabilities therefore I lack the ability to obfuscate.

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Rahm talking to Blago: if they ever get hold of a transcript, it will have to be entirely redacted with "bleeps."

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If Rahm was actually cutting a deal with Blago, then Blago wouldn't be going nuts on tape about how uncooperative Obama was. Seems more likely that bad-cop Rahm spent his phone time telling Blago to go **** himself, no deals. But Rahm had better step up and say this quick.

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I am really tiring on the assumption that Obama and Rahm Emanual were involved or knew about what Blago's senate seat sale.

Yet, we are supposed to believe that the current President was not aware of or connected to what his Vice President was doing, or his Attorney General, or his Secretary of Defense.

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I think Fox has the most plausible guess about this.

Rahm was on the call, let's say. He wasn't playing ball. But perhaps he also didn't "out" Blago for talking so crazily. In other words, Rahm clearly saw Blago's corruption and didn't call the feds.

If this is true, I think it is still a problem. Your ethical standards must be high enough that you alert the Feds if you see completely blatant corruption.

However, it is possible that Rahm did out Blago to the Feds, and for some reason he doesn't want his fingerprints on it. Maybe Blago has dirt on Rahm, and since he's still governor, he could pull some strings and sink Rahm.

Are they waiting for Blago to step down (and lose his remaining power) before revealing they outed him? Or did they stand passively in the face of corruption?

I think the answer to that question may determine Rahm's future.

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Then the obvious follow-up question is whether Obama knew Blago was deal-making. Was Obama also passive in the face of corruption?

My guess is that this is the truth. Obama must have seen plenty of corruption in his Chicago days too, but he didn't out people because it reduced his ability to get things done and to rise up in the world. Maybe that's Obama's dirty secret and how he manages to stay "clean" but still get things done.

It seems unlikely to suppose that Rahm heard Blago going nuts and didn't tell Obama about it. Unless he was smart enough to keep Obama out of the loop. Which is also possible. Who knows!

I would say that, the fact that Obama and company have not already fully disclosed all contacts indicates that someone was at least a passive observer of corruption.

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Whoops, "indicates" is stronger than I mean, in the last sentence. I mean "raises the probability."

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"Passive observer" seems plausible to me, at a minimum.

I don't recall exactly how Obama parsed his teams non-involvement... but the involvement of his CHIEF OF STAFF... that's one step away from Obama... it stinks. And it SEEMS a lot worse than Obama implied.

Who believes that Rahm Emanuel conducts negotiations that he doesn't inform Obama about?

I don't know whether to be happy or sad if he gets caught playing ball with the devil.

Of course Obama will come out clean... they understand firewalls. But imagine if this thing brought down the chief of staff? Well, better before January 20 than after.

What is your culpability if you hear an offer to sell an office and discuss it and then reject it? Are there "reporting requirements"? That would seem to be a pretty vague law if there are.

But if Rahm heard a whisper of this then I'd say Obama has already parsed the truth of this so closely that we might as well just call it the first big lie.

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Wasn't Blago being taped at that time? Wasn't it public knowledge that Blago was being investigated?

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I was trying to make a point, but got called away. Rahm is not stupid. And everyone in Chicago knows that Blago is a dirtbag. If it was public knowledge that he was being investigated, Rahm would have enough sense to know that Blago might be bugged. Knowing that, the only thing Rahm needed to do was to make sure he said nothing that could damage him or Obama. He should not be obligated to go to the Feds with whatever Blago said. Now I hear that Rahm is getting death threats, so maybe..... I'm making some guesses hre, just like the rest of you.

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Actually when the story first broke, the rumor was that Rahm had indeed called the feds. I haven't heard much more about that since.

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Why do you think Fox has the most plausible guess?

Serious question - if you have a good reason to trust their reporting and editorial judgment, I'd like to hear it. My empirical experiences have led me to do the opposite, which is why I am skeptical.

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I think this explains why Obama has been so circumspect so far. He undoubtedly knew that Emanual had talked to Blago and needed to find out what was said and what Fitzgerald knew about those conversations. However, it is now important that Obama promptly explain everything to get this behind him; otherwise it will build and build and only get worse. There is certainly nothing in the criminal complaint indicating that Blago had any idea he could get any quid pro quo from Obama, so why not get all the facts out now? Unless Emanual is afraid he said something he should not have.

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Word.

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Everyone please keep in mind that, if Emanuel spoke with the gov about the senate appt and it is recorded then it is officially part of an investigation and indictment that has not gone to trial, and Emanuel may very well not be able to say anything about it, even if he did nothing wrong. Blagojevich's legal team would argue that doing so would prejudice the case, depending on what is said.

Also, it is very unlikely that if Emanuel did or said anything improper and it has been recorded that he would not resign immediately - it's on tape.

Lastly, even if Emanuel was pressured by Blagojevich and didn't report it to the feds, that doesn't mean there was any nelgigence there - it depends on what was said. If the gov. said "what are you guys gonna do for me if I do so and so," I really don't think anyone would have to fetch the salts and fainting couch for Emanuel. Drop a mic in any politician's office and you'll eventually end up with 20 similar examples, that's just the way it works.

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"Drop a mic in any politician's office and you'll eventually end up with 20 similar examples, that's just the way it works."

Agreed, but it is still very seedy (because politics is seedy) and for better or worse, Obama was seen as "different." There are obvious limits on how different you can really be when you want to get things done and everyone around you is corrupt. But I think if nothing else this will educate people about the dangers of investing hope in politicians.

Obama can reclaim the mantle of change but only by taking a huge an unprecedented step in favor of transparency and receptiveness.

In other words, people will say "I hate that politicians pay to play. But even this guy Obama isn't doing what would seem right to me. So this system must be really screwed up, because I thought Obama was a good one."

It will hurt Obama, but just as important, it will remind people of why government sucks. And that is an opportunity for Obama to "throw the ball deep downfield" for anti-corruption guidelines and transparency measures.

It might also change Obama's fundamental governance strategy, however. I'm sure he wanted to move the ball forward on transparency, but he probably will be doing signif. more of that than he expected.

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Yeah, but no one ever thought Rahm Emanuel was "different"... not in any way shape or form.

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If I had to guess, I'd say that Obama and company are preparing to announce the following:

1) That Rahm passively observed corruption, but did not tell Obama.
2) That Rahm is staying on as CoS.
3) That passively observing corruption is unacceptable,
4) But Rahm is still staying in part because "the buck stops with Obama" who did not fulfill his own responsibility to set sufficiently clear policies and ethical guidelines for his staff.
5) That the policies and guidelines as revised are strong enough to be satisfactory (or that revisions are ongoing; perhaps with outside or popular input).
6) That we must address corruption proactively in all its guises, and perhaps make a set of proposals to that effect.

Of course, just speculation!

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On Huff they said the source said there no deal making...... On ABC News Rahm said he is getting death threats... Why would Rahm get death threats, unless Rahm snitch.... http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/ConductUnbecoming/story?id=6449745&page=1

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People interviewed around Chicago say the word "crazy" a lot regarding this.

Is it possible that Emanuel heard this scenario from Blago, but reported back to Obama that Blago is talking "crazy talk" about the appointment and dismissed the whole thing?

And then moved on to more Transition business.

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Because of a family emergency, I was in Chicago last week, and got a bit of first hand experience of the Blago arrest. My cousin got five calls at 6 am, when Blagojevich was arrested. I swear, if it had been later in the day, and if it wasn't rain, turning into snow, there would have been dancing in the streets. I have to add, no one in my extended family is political junkie like me.

General consensus is that Blagojevich is wacko-nuts, and generally hated.

Listening to interviews on Rachel Maddow's show, it seems that the Lt. Governor hasn't spoken to Blagojevich in over a year! And the head of the Illinois Judiciary Committee has spent the last year and a half researching impeachment procedures.

All sorts of news people have pointed out that, of course, Obama would, in the normal course of events, have been speaking to Rod Blagojevich. Well, in the normal course of events, the Lt. Governor would be speaking to him, too. This simply isn't the normal course of events.

Everyone knew that Blago was nuts, and going off the deep end, and backed way, way away. The problem with the "What did they know, and when did they know it?" question, is that people may know that someone is going off the deep end, in general, but lack any specific knowledge.

Crazy guy with power, back away, quickly!

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This is gonna be great!!! I can hear Rahm telling this crook to shove it up his....I knew this happened. I hope it turns out the way I thought it would.

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It's okay that he talked to him. There is no crime in talking! It would be odd if they didn't. The key, obviously, is what was said.
That said Rahm must understand that if he can't take the heat he needs to get out of the kitchen. The media is probabaly more blood thirsty than ever and certainly more than they were in the nineties simply because they are bigger and more adept at staking out their target.

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A lot of commenters are assuming that corruption is obvious. It's not.

Rahm could easily have had various conversations in which "appreciation" of various sorts was discussed. No need to suppose obvious criminal behavior. But that of course doesn't rule out sleaze being evident in the conversation. Report sleaze? To whom?

People have too much time at the keyboard. Is that a sign of unemployment or just decadence?

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