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Top Military Official: We Tortured

George Bush and Dick Cheney are continuing to insist we haven't committed torture. But that's now been contradicted by the Bush administration official whose job is to decide whether to bring Guantanamo detainees to trial.

"We tortured [Mohammed al-] Qahtani," the convening authority of military commissions, Susan Crawford, told the Washington Post's Bob Woodward. "His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that's why I did not refer the case" (for prosecution).

Al-Qahtani is a Saudi national who allegedly planned to participate in the 9/11 attacks.

According to the Post, the techniques used included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, which left al-Qahtani in a "life-threatening condition."

Crawford told Woodward:

The techniques they used were all authorized, but the manner in which they applied them was overly aggressive and too persistent. . . . You think of torture, you think of some horrendous physical act done to an individual. This was not any one particular act; this was just a combination of things that had a medical impact on him, that hurt his health. It was abusive and uncalled for. And coercive. Clearly coercive. It was that medical impact that pushed me over the edge (to call it torture).

The Post adds:

[Crawford] is the first senior Bush administration official responsible for reviewing practices at Guantanamo to publicly state that a detainee was tortured.


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Sounds to me like it's letting Bush and Cheney off the hook with the statement-

The techniques they used were all authorized, but the manner in which they applied them was overly aggressive and too persistent.

Sounds like she's blame the little guy down the chain of command.

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I will be glad when the Department of Justice is cleaned up.

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Yeah, Jonze, that unfortunate sentence jumped out at me, too.

But doesn't torture only bother libertarians (and libertarian-leaning Rs), the far left, the tortured, and foreigners? I suspect a majority of Americans think torture is good (whether they're willing to admit it to a pollster or not), and the real problem is that we might not be torturing enough to keep ourselves safe from the Muslims. (And you never know, the seemingly peaceful ones can be the most dangerous, and the only way to find out which type they are is by torturing them. If they confess, they're evil-doers. Or is that a Monty Python skit?)

And, really, people, we've gotta move forward. No backward looking, partisan witch hunts. Sure, we're not perfect, but USA is # all the way, the greatest country in the world.

But seriously, say our government has picked up a person with training and ill intents, tortured said person, giving that person even more motivation to do us harm. Now what? I guess the only safe course of action is either execution or confinement until death of natural causes. I guess audiences in the future will laugh at comedy skits based on this predicament. Hilarious!

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They would not have it any other way. What happened to the perpetrators at Abu-Ghraib?

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Here is the vexing deal for the outgoing Administration. Law and the equitable distribution of law is the justification to address lawlessness. Even if a person is suspected for heinous even mass murder and carnage that does not justify lawlessness in response otherwise you have lawlessness in all regards and simply rule by might.

Oh that is what Cheney (and Bush) have held, they have the might and thus they are right.

The technicalities are actually human rights, which is established to limit the might is right ability by the government. Torture is by definition is both an act of lawlessness since it is causing physical and possibly permanent harm (which is the ultimate definition of murder and carnage) and it produces invalid information by definition since in our system we cannot bear self incrimination without a willingness.

No matter what the Bush and Cheney Administration try to say in justification for their lawlessness it cannot be maintaining law and order or protecting the Constitution which by definition was a limit on the power of might.

Ask yourself what really was the desperation of the Bush/Cheney regime? A deep reading of the partnership with Saudi Oil, Saudi royalty and all things oil and Wall Street finance was their desperation American lives (if it was Bush and Cheney would have reacted much differently following Katrina), no it was the stability and foundation of their world.

The attack of 9/11 was brilliant in that bin Laden fingered the pressure point. He and his minions are not actually waging war on the US or the West except that we are part of the Oil Addiction that has corrupted and held hostage their Saudi/Muslim homeland. The money, the finance world the oil based economy supports and has warped their world. Essentially since 9/11 the US economy has been declining, now in a free fall. It also has emptied US treasury in fighting to wars of insurgency that are nothing but losing propositions. The indigenous populations of Iraq and Afghanistan are the natural pawns for this long strategy to wage an economic war against an economic empire and power structure.

This war has exposed all forms of ruling hypocrisy by the West, including not being able to live up to the Geneva Conventions. We need to suck it up and prosecute all....and re think all our strategies.

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Just as a note of reference, when we caught the Japanese officers who water-boarded our boys in WWII, we hung 'em. That was the Good War.

Now, the US has adopted the tactics the Gestapo used, that the Japanese used, on us. Time now for some toothless old Democrat to write a stern letter and act all outraged, before doing nothing about it.

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Can I nominate Senator Harry Reid for that letter?

I think the Democratic Party should ditch the pretty spot on jackass symbol and switch to a toothless lion.

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America, land of the free, home of the torture.

You know, if he never said that I wouldn't have believed that forcing people to stand naked without sleep for days and weeks and months at a time was actually torture.

Its like killing someone by dropping a ton of flowers on them. Hey its not really murder- its flowers for god's sake!

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Yep, they tortured people. Actually discussed the methods to be employed in the Oval Office. This is not news. Bush Administration lackeys would pose the question as follows: Do you love your country enough to torture people? Are you willing to commit horrible crimes, uh, that is, to vigorously question some apparently bad people who may have information?
See, it's only a matter of how loyal you are to your country. The more you love it, the greater the crimes you are willing to commit. If you have a problem with that reasoning, then you never had to bear the heavy burden of protecting our citizens. If you don't believe me, ask the editors at Newsweek. They understand.

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Here's an interesting aspect of this admission:
Ms. Crawford refers to "techniques" and the "manner" in which "they" treated this detainee (she herself did not witness the treatment) who was NOT prosecuted.

This makes it quite obvious there was a detailed at least written and possibly even videographic record of the treatment. She was not there but has enough information to evaluate the technique as authorized but the manner as too harsh.

I would imagine this would throw wide open the door to lawyers defending detainees who WERE held over for tribunal to demand the records kept of the treatment of their clients. They could argue for an independent evaluation of whether their treatment was or was not torture because this also makes it very clear that when detainees have found to have been tortured they are not prosecuted.

Also lawyers for any released and uncharged detainees could demand the records during cases brought against the US for unlawful treatment during detention without charge.

Lawyers advising government witnesses will definitely be advising their clients against saying "no records were kept of the detainees treatment," to avoid potential purgery charges. The request for the records would therefore just keep going higher up the food chain until a coverup or actual Cheney/Bush knowledge might be revealed.

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This woman needs to sit down at a hearing before Congress immediately - skip the request go straight to subpoena. Ask her how she was able to evaluate the "techniques" and "manner" of treatment.

What were her eyes looking at when she made that evaluation. Where is whatever she was looking at now. How many other detainees had records of treatment that she examined, and agin same questions, what did the records consist of, where are those records now and finally who else has seen or can access these records.

This woman's admission is radioactive.

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Seems to me it's always been a fart at the dinner party issue. Everyone knows it happened, the only question is who is responsible. In view of recent comments I think it is fair to assume that Bush is the chief offender, with Cheney just as culpable.

The real question in my mind is "so what?" Who is going to do anything about the issue?

J. Turley is right, Obama owns the issue now, and he has implied he will do nothing, with the we have to look forward meme.

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A sitting POTUS will always be "hands off" to any POTUS-Elect. But is it really true the Obama, alone, "owns" it? What role will the new AG be obliged (by law) to play?

But then, my bet ia on a lawsuit against Bush (or Cheney) et al from some unforeseen (an unknown unknown ;-) source a year or two from now.

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I don't think a new AG does anything, on the magnitude of legal action against a former president, for acts while the former was in office, without the 'consent' of the new President.

I think, like any prosecutor, the AG will have the discretion to prosecute or not prosecute a particular case, from a purely legal point of view, if not a practical one.

Can you imagine the blowback if criminal charges were filed? I doubt the Supremes would ever let a case like that get to trial.

Fun to wonder about, though...


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It is easy to be cynical about the actions of anyone associated with the Bush administration. But in the not too distant future, I hope all of you will revise your cynicism about Susan Crawford. What she said took enormous courage;she is someone old enough, and experienced enough, to understand the snowball ramifications of her statement -- not only as it may affect her own life, but also the lives of countless others. Spare no remorse for Bush and Cheney and their cadre of intimates. But respect those, like Susan Crawford, who walk a line between pledged loyalty and personal conscience and who ultimately choose to obey conscience.

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