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Jindal's Office Tries To Spin Katrina Story, Digs Itself In Deeper

It looks like Bobby Jindal's staff has been trying to do some damage limitation on that phony Katrina story -- with some help from Politico. But it's blowing up in their faces.

Picking up on an earlier post at Daily Kos, we wrote a post yesterday that raised questions about a key anecdote in Bobby Jindal's big Tuesday night speech.

You can watch the key excerpt here, but here's the transcript:

During Katrina, I visited Sheriff Harry Lee, a Democrat and a good friend of mine. When I walked into his makeshift office I'd never seen him so angry. He was yelling into the phone: 'Well, I'm the Sheriff and if you don't like it you can come and arrest me!' I asked him: 'Sheriff, what's got you so mad?' He told me that he had put out a call for volunteers to come with their boats to rescue people who were trapped on their rooftops by the floodwaters. The boats were all lined up ready to go - when some bureaucrat showed up and told them they couldn't go out on the water unless they had proof of insurance and registration. I told him, 'Sheriff, that's ridiculous.' And before I knew it, he was yelling into the phone: 'Congressman Jindal is here, and he says you can come and arrest him too!' Harry just told the boaters to ignore the bureaucrats and start rescuing people.

In our post, we reported -- among other red flags -- that we couldn't find any news reports that put Jindal on the ground in the affected area during the time when a boat rescue would have been needed. As we noted, we called Jindal's office twice before posting to ask them to verify the incident, but heard nothing back.

This morning, Politico's Ben Smith, noting that we and others had raised questions about Jindal's story, posted a response from the governor's chief of staff, Timmy Teepell:

It was in the days following the storm. Sheriff Lee was a hero who worked tirelessly to rescue those in danger, and he didn't take kindly to bureaucrats getting in his way.

That didn't really seem to clear things up either way -- indeed it admitted that it wasn't "during Katrina" as Jindal had originally said. Still, the headline of Smith's post characterized the statement as "stand[ing] by" the anecdote.

Team Jindal probably would have been wise to leave things there.

Instead, they went back to Smith, now telling him, in Smith's words, that Jindal "didn't imply" on Tuesday that the story "took place during the heat of a fight to release rescue boats." (Take 30 seconds to read Jindal's actual words, and you'll see that's flatly untrue -- but no matter.) Rather, Jindal spokeswoman Melissa Sellers told Smith, "It was days later .. Sheriff Lee was on the phone and the governor came down to visit him. It wasn't that they were standing right down there with the boats."

Smith added:

She said she thought Lee, who died in 2007, "was doing an interview" about the incident with the boats when the governor described him yelling into the phone.

In other words, Jindal only heard from Lee later that this had happened. He didn't actually see it happening and played no role in it himself. We posted a few hours ago, noting that Jindal's office had admitted the story was false.

But then things got weirder: Jindal's people went back for yet more.

Smith soon posted an update explaining that he had misunderstood Sellers earlier. According to Teepell, Smith now wrote, rescue efforts were in fact still underway when Jindal met with Lee. And Jindal overheard Lee yelling on the phone to justify a decision he had previously made, not giving an interview about the episode, as Sellers' earlier version had had it.

In fact, that whole thing about Jindal overhearing Lee giving an interview? It's now gone from Smith's post (though, thanks to the dangers of syndication, it remains here) as if Jindal's office never said it.

There's more. Amazingly, Sellers then argued to Smith that there is no difference between Jindal's original story as told Tuesday night, and the one her office finally settled on this afternoon. And even more amazingly, Smith added another update in which he transcribed that argument without comment, as if it were reasonable.

Then the capper: With Jindal's office now satisfied with the third iteration of its story -- a version that clearly acknowledged that the first version, told Tuesday night to millions, was false -- Teepell went back to Smith with the following comment:

"This is liberal blogger B.S. The story is clear."

And Smith, in yet another update, published it.

Good work all round!


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Stupid first person narrative.

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A new narrative form: the first person retarded.

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What you guys don't realize is that during his service in the United States Congress, Bobby Jindal took the lead in creating the boats used to rescue Katrina victims.

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The transcript says

"When I walked into his makeshift office I'd never seen him so angry. He was yelling into the phone"

But In the video Piyush says

"When I walked into his makeshift office I'd never seen him so angry. He was LITERALLY yelling into the phone"

He did say literally.

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Calling jindal piyush is like calling obama hussein or barry. It's a bit childish.

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Agreed.

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Possibly, but I find HIM a bit childish and condescending. No substance.

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Wait, does that mean I can't refer to Mittens as "Willard" anymore?

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Only if you spell it out, surely.

If one writes "Neocomrade Governor P. Jindall" after the former style of "Comrade Secretary J. V. Volgin," why, who can object anything beyond that there oughtabe a middle initial? (If little Bobby has one, Wikipedia doesn't know it.)

AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM mani padme hum in sæcula sæculorum amen!

Happy days.


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Wow. The stars in the Limbaugh Party are Sarah "Moose" Palin, Bobby "Jack McBrayer" Jindal, and Joe "the Village Idiot" Wurzelbacher. I would invoke the "soft bigotry of low expectations" concept here, but "low expectations" is actually a flatteringly high bar for a group of people who seem to have honed their political skills at clown school.

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(No offense to intended to clowns or those skilled in the clown arts).

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LOL

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Don't forget Jack Bauer. He hates bureaucrats too!

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Walter Mitty Jindal.

If he isn't a perfect leader for the 'modern' GOP, then one doesn't exist.

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.....can we hope for a better 2012 GOP ticket than Jindal- Palin, or, better yet, Palin- Jindal?

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Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't.

-- Mark Twain, "Following the Equator, Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar"
(emphasis mine)

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It's like a wreck you shouldn't look at, but you can't help yourself -- you actually slow down and then do a u-turn so you can look at it again. And each time you do, the wreck is more twisted.

Jindal. Joe The Dumber. Palin. George Will.

Pinch me.

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I'm confused.

It happened, I was there.
I heard it happened, but wasn't really there.
It didn't happen at all, I was just trying to make a point.

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Thanks for the reader's digest version. I was confused too.

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Yeah. And the point was about "them damn bureaucratses!!!!" Right? Please, help me remember back lo those many years ago: Those bureaucratses held which party affiliation again...?

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it was those damned pundints!

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Anyone else want to volunteer to be his chiropractor? Talk about pretzeling yourself...I'm dizzy just reading this.

I think I need a Dramamine.

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"Still, the headline of Smith's post characterized the statement as "stand[ing] by" the anecdote."

A form of lying that seems to be rapidly gaining in popularity is to post some hysterical, misleading headline, followed by a piece that completely fails to support what the headline says. It's a really crappy, dishonest technique, but I'm seeing a lot of it lately.

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I figure the telephone conversation probably happened somedays after the boats had gone out to save the people. It is a bit of literary licence to move it to before the boats went out, but I bet someone was on the phone with lee complaining that these volunteers weren't covered by their insurance.

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*A BIT OF LITERARY LICENSE?!!* What TF are you talking about?! Jindal said this:

"When I walked into his makeshift office I'd never seen him so angry. He was literally yelling into the phone: 'Well, I'm the Sheriff and if you don't like it you can come and arrest me!' I asked him: 'Sheriff, what's got you so mad?'"

What specifically is your point and how does someone complaining support it?

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Email I just sent to TPM, then realised I could have just posted it here :

Nope , sorry, the latest updates make the Jindal Camp look transparently deceptive. No matter what the explanation of the hour they might deploy, none of this makes this part of the story:

..."And before I knew it, he was yelling into the phone: 'Congressman Jindal is here, and he says you can come and arrest him too!'

even remotely possible , therefore , entirely untrue, therefore , a lie . Told to Millions by the chosen representative of the right responding to the previous statements of the President.

If the story didn't happen at the time during the storm, then the previously quoted element is entirely fabricated from whole cloth. None of it carries any credibility .

Amateur and contemptuous of the people they are trying to win back .

Thanks all

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Bingo.

If he wasn't there as first said, then the entire story falls to piece in total. We don;t even know Lee ever actually faced this issue at all. It is all heresy after the fact (at best), which has been embellished with each telling over the years since the Katrina disaster occured.

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I assume you meant "hearsay", not "heresy"?

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...and even if it happened as Jindal said in the live tale spinning, again I ask: The uncooperative bureaucrats worked under which party's banner? Yup. The Repbulic Party (if we can't be the "Democratic" party, they can't be the "RepublicAN" party; it wasn't a typo...).

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Oh well, what can you expect from a republican. Their school of thought says: "A lie, repeated often enough, becomes truth". Or something like that with apologies to Herr Goebbels. And of course, Karl Rove, his student.

We all need a good laugh! Tune into Saturday Night Live tonight, and if they don't scissor Lil' Bobby into pieces they're falling down on the job.

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Well, they fell down on the job. I think it would have been a lot more funny than the Rachel Maddow homage, which WAS pretty good....

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Republican BS : Demonstrably False Statement; a lie.

Liberal Blogger BS : When Republicans get caught Lying ...Again...


and poorly I might add.

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to millions of non-liberal bloggers who have not followed up on this to discover it was not true, and who would never read a liberal blog--Bobby Jindal's story still stands as absolute truth.

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Yes, that is a shame. Those two folks will always remain convinced that Bobby is their new savior...you know, the one after Sarah?

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He'll never, ever, be believed - after this.

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Sure he will. By millions who are not reading liberal political blogs or not political junkies.

Of course, anyone paying attention to this will know he is a bald-faced fabricator and liar.

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But it will follow him as a character trait and a suspicion. As something to be revived as the need arises....

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Did anybody see something just fall out of the sky?

Oh, that's just Jindal's political career in free fall. Nothing to see here, move along.

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When in a hole in a flood and someone offers a ladder or a shovel, take the ladder. At least if you must take the shovel STOP DIGGING. Maybe some folks lost the few brains they were born with when it started raining. Holes in heads let that happen.

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Jokes are always better when told in the first person. Not surprising than that Jindal's speech Tuesday night was one of the best jokes I've heard in awhile.

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So when was Jindal in an office with Lee?

If it was days after the storm (which is where their third bite at the apple has it) it still makes no sense.

What people were still needing boat rescuing days after the fact?

The story still doesn't make sense unless we can place Jindal in the office within 72 hors of the storm hitting which no accounts can yet do. Jindal was not even in the state when the storm actually hit, was in Baton Rouge the day after it hit, flew over to view the damage the following day... so when was he actually on the ground in Lee's parish and actually in Lee's office?

If they say he heard lee say this after the fact, it still doesn't jove with what Jindal said, because why would the Sheriff be "yelling down the phone about the boats saying the boats go in and if you don't like it arrest me" after the fact?

I will bet dollars to doughnuts that this is one of the myriad fabricated stories that people heard about (but never any direct substantiation) that fits with their preconceived narrative and went with it, embellishing it at every step along the way.

Any journalist going to ask for the there name of this supposed "bureaucrat"...?

Anyone going to ask for actual evidence that boats were held back because of any red-tape?

So far we have anecdotal tales of this having occurred after the fact.

Someone name names about what boats, who said no, etc.

Until then, this is urban legend being palmed off at GOP myth, like welfare queens, etc.

This is a bureaucratic red-taper riding in Cadillac and buying steak and caviar with food-stamps sort of myth in the same vein. Sounds good to the narrative they want to push, but with no evidence at all that it is true.

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This may be a minor point....but what tough-guy sheriff yells into the phone for someone to come and arrest him?

I think someone's been watching too many Dukes of Hazard reruns.

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I'll put $10 down that he revises the story AGAIN. From all the dignified photo op poses this guy has given over the course of the past few months of media buildup, I thought maybe there was a lurking GOP politician with some credibility hiding out there. Silly me - he's handing the nomination to Palin for 12.

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Ben Travers and Alex Koppelman at Salon War Room actually spoke to one of the rescuers that were "held up by bureaucrats." It appears they may have been just taking down basic identifying info so if the rescuers got lost, hurt, or killed, they'd know who to look for. It could be something else, but it may not just be "bureaucrats getting in the way of good people doing their jobs."

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/02/27/jindal/index.html

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that is an interesting article but while it gives some nice detail on the times of day (lee puts out call over radio at 11am, volunteer boater shows up by 1pm) it fails to include the actual date of the incident.

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And this was a "make-shift" office. Presumably (impliedly) the real, official sheriff's office was inaccessible, flooded, or under water. So, where was this "make-shift office" that the then-Congressman visited? Can the governor say? Sheriff Lee may not be with us anymore but surely he had deputies and administrative types at the time who also went to this temporary-out-of-necessity office. What can they tell us? Oh fun fun fun.

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Here is what Smith at The Politico says in the relevant update:

Teepell said the exchange took place in the week following Katrina, when Jindal visited Jefferson Parish multiple times.

I clal bullshit on the entire story. Why would the Sheriff be yelling this down the phone in the week following the storm. The need for boats was gone then. I say Jindal's office made the entire thing up out of whole cloth.

Seriously, a week after the storm, there were no boats trying to get into the area to rescue people, so why would the Sherrif be yelling this over the phone a week after the storm to anyone?

I call total bullshit on the entire story by Jindal and crew. They made the whole fucking thing up.

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That's the only reasonable conclusion. A straigtfaced lie, period.

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From a Times-Picayune piece back in August 29, 2006, talking about Jerry Riggs who was actually in the flotilla and was asked by FEMA for i.d. before they were allowed in to go wherever they wanted, they were able to do so the August 29. 2006, the same day as the storm hit Lousiana and by 5 pm had blown through New orleans:

"It was about 5 p.m. (on the 29th), and they just said go wherever you want to," Riggs recalled. "There was no rhyme or reason to it. The idea was to look for folks and rescue them."

So where was Jindal on the 29th?

As was pointed out in xgz's Daily Kos diary, Jindal was not even in the state on that date:

Katrina hit when Congressman Jindal was returning from a foreign trip. His family evacuated to Baton Rouge, and met up with Jindal at his parents' home.

Jindal and crew made the entire story up out of whole cloth and are lying about it.

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The date that Riggs was allowed to go anywhere they wanted to rescue people was 5 PM on August 29th, 2005 (not 2006).

But that salient fact is what undoes the entire fabrication by Jindal and crew.

The same day that the storm blew through New Orleans, the citizen flotillas were allowed to go in by 5 PM according to Riggs who was one of the the boaters.

At the same time, Jindal was coming back into the country from a foiregn trip, and his family was up in Baton Rouge. Jindal was not there in the Parish that Lee was when the boats were finally allowed to go in (the early evening of the 29th), and was only in the same room as Lee a week after the 29th, by Jindal's staffs latest version of their fable.

So why would Lee be screaming down the phone to let the boaters through a week after they were already let through?

The are lying about this entire fiction they created.

I see zero evidence this event (Lee screaming down the phone and Jindal ever witnessing any such thing) never fucking happened.

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I'm beyond being interested in the fact that Republicans make up phony anecdotes to support their crazy ideology, and then when they get caught, make some more shit up, and then when that doesn't hold up, make up even more shit.

What's interesting to me is what a revealing light this episode casts on Ben Smith in particular and Politico in general. It's been clear for a long time that both Smith and his employer will eagerly publish any whiff of speculation about the possibility of inuendo they can blame on an unidentified source if it makes a Democrat look bad, but will contort themselves into pretzel to cast a Republican caught in clear wrongdoing in the best possible light.

The blatantness of the way Smith has served his masters in this story, however, is so brazen that there's no longer room for any reasonable doubt. If this had been a Democrat, there would have been an update, than an update to the update with a snide, knowing comment. When its a Republican, however, he simply tosses one of the versions down the memory hole and prints the other without comment.

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Hear! Hear!

I can't believe so many of these comments seem to be zeroed in on proving a ReFoolAgin is a liar. Of course he is!

What is startling is to see how the alternative media blog (which has some cache as being middle of the road) is being used. Of course, they can't take this to the MSM....much too much exposure of the lie. But instead they are using Politico as an intermediate to really massage and spin this thing back into some realm where they can re-manage this. OF course, Politico is more than willing. I would direct you to my comment below with a link to Media Matters where they obtained an internal memo which spells out the Politico Journalism Ethos pretty well.

All corporate media has been in this bag for a long time....spinning and hiding news for the ReFoolAgins. We have to especially careful about how the Rightwing Corporate Party starts to manipulate the blogosphere.

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I hope some enterprising muckraker will find the Flying Dutchman of this whole story - the "bureaucrat" who supposedly stopped the boats in the first place.

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You all are missing the most important point: the last sentence.

"Harry just told the boaters to ignore the bureaucrats and start rescuing people."

This clearly implies that the boats were STILL being held up by bureaucrats when Jindal came to Lee's office. "Start rescuing people," means do it NOW. It can't possibly be a means of justifying a decision already made.

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Lestatdelc's link is particularly interesting. It seems that the amateur rescuer wasn't delayed by FEMA at all - and he wasn't complaining.

"Before we left, a FEMA guy asked me for my drivers license," he [Riggs] said. "I couldn't understand why, but he said, 'It's kind of rough out there. We need a copy of your license in case something happens to you.' "

Riggs was emphasizing the danger of the situation, and I surely wouldn't doubt him on that. But Governor Jindal decided to morph a story of bravery and decency into a bogus attack on big government, which says more about modern conservative emotional needs than anything else.

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Oops. I see from this Salon article that Riggs was peeved:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/02/27/jindal/

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Ok I do believe that Jindal embellished the story, but from what I've read boats were getting stopped before letting them go out.

It's been suggested that the boats were getting stopped simply to obtain a list of people who had gone out in order to identify those who might have gotten into trouble and not made it back. That seems perfectly reasonable to me and undercuts Jindal's basic premise that bureaucrats were getting in the way of the rescue.

However, there is a way that the sequence of events Jindal and others described could have occurred.

1) Boats get stopped by some official to request ids delaying the rescue.
2)Sheriff Harry Lee comes on the scene and tells everyone to ignore the official and start searching right away.
3) About seven days later the original official or someone in his office calls up the Harry Lee to scold him for subordinating their authority.
4) Jindal walks in on this conversation.
5) The original official finally tells Harry why they needed the documentation and warns him that they could get the sheriff to arrested him for what he did.
6) Harry blows his stack and tells the official that he IS the sheriff, and that they can arrest him if they want
7) Jindal asks what's going on that got him so mad
8) Harry tells him. Then Jindal replies "Sheriff, that's ridiculous."
9) Sheriff then yells into the phone that Jindal agrees with him and that they can arrest him too.


I mention this just so that we don't get too far ahead of the story and lose credibility if some of it proves to be true.

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Another more likely possibility:

1) Boats get stopped by some official to request ids delaying the rescue. The sheriff, Harry Lee is not there.
2) Seven days later Harry hears angry complaints from some of the people that were stopped
3) Harry tacks down the agency responsible and calls them up to give them a piece of his mind
4) Jindal walks in on this conversation
5) The conversation gets heated and the official on the other end scolds Harry that they have jurisdiction and he has to follow their rules
6) Harry blows his stack and tells the official that he is the sheriff, and that they can arrest him if they want
7) Jindal asks what's going on that got him so mad
8) Harry tells him the story.
9) Jindal replies "Sheriff, that's ridiculous."
10) Sheriff then yells into the phone that Jindal agrees with him and that they can arrest him too.

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yep. that's the version that i had in my mind.

what's funny is that you can guarantee that nobody was threatening to arrest the sherrif. lee was just being a grandstanding blow-hard. (and probably showing a blatant disregard for reasonable regulations designed to prevent a bad situation from getting worse. republican law and order types are always the first to believe that their imagined 'common sense' always trumps any actual laws and regulations.)

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Before I heard about all this, I found it very weird that Jindal actually had to ask "Sheriff, what's got you so mad?"

What's got you so mad...uh, maybe because there's a natural disaster and people are dying and need help. And why didn't Jindal get on the phone himself as the Governor and demand the rescue...assuming this actually happened.

The whole thing is just so retarded! Backwards and forwards.

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I note with a mix of amusement and amazement that the GOP has been writing their own amazingly inept stories since August 29th nearly non-stop. All we have to do is watch, incredulously, as they shoot themselves in the foot, repeatedly, with Wayne LaPierre's "semi-automatic rifle that has been around for a hundred years."

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Lying to the whole nation as the gobernor of Louisiana. This should be enough to impeach him.

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I'm just glad to see boats of some kind involved again. This was swift, and this was about boats, and John Kerry is somewhere snickering.

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Ben Smith is a tool. Just another Politico rightwing tool. The whole outfit is suspiciously slanted and consistently so. It makes me where they got their funding to start up from....

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Ridiculous.

"Bobby's" chief of staff's name is "Timmy." Two golden boys trying to portray themselves as good ol' boys.

Timmy Teepell is a homeschooler's wet dream. Read all about it here.

But among "Timmy's" problems are that apparenty homeschooling doesn't teach its students to tell the truth.

Timmy was also the Executive Direcor of something called the "Madison Project" which was really one of those anonymous large GOP slush funds used to fund its candidates. Timmy passed on that torch to the Ryun clan (sons of failed Republican former GOP member Jim Ryun, who got bounced out of Cogress for accepting a discounted house from Tom DeLay's syndicate).

And the Madison tracks way back to the 1996 scandal where the Triad Company was making illegal donations (search, Triad scandal). That wat the one that covered up by Fred Thompson.

Timmy, Timmy, Timmy. Get a life.

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I emailed this into TPM TWICE about a week ago. I do not understand why they did not publicize it....check it out

http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200902180014

internal memo at politico

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Wow, a story that covers a blatant lie spun on national television by a Governor, to a political "news" org. scrubbing history to cover his tracks.


Fail, all around for Republicans and their media outlets on this one. Lots, and lots of FAIL.

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Truth > GOP

every.time.

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So, let me get this straight. The "old" saviour of the Republican party (Palin) is having tax issues, and the "new" saviour is having problems with "enhancing" his stories (a la Hillary Clinton).

So how, exactly, are they differentiating themselves from the Democrats?

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Calling him "Piyush" is a bit childish somebody said. Perhaps he needs to be reminded of his childhood - the one he refered to in rebuttal, "Bobby. My daddy said to me... when I was a little boy walking through the aisles, of the fully stocked supermarket..." sic. Bobby? But he wasn't Bobby! He was Piyush.
Obama, who unfortunately has been dragged into it (- ironically to 'rescue' Jindal - if that's even his real surname -) was called Barry like Ricardo is called Ricky, or Gustavo is called Gus. But Bobby as a shortened form of Piyush? Kinda difficult but I guess cultures are different aren't they...


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Your ignorance is stunning.

You really do believe Katrina lasted a matter of hours.

Sure the Winds and Rain passed over the Area in a matter of hours or a day.

BUT

The Rescue By boat and Air went on for weeks.

as did the evacuation.

The rebuilding continues to this day.


Wake up stooge.


As far as the Congressman's assistance to Sheriff Lee. Listen for yourself.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wO5S5LGT1s&eurl


looks like you are heading for another breakdown.....sport

http://gawker.com/341835/media-editor-zachary-roth-out-at-observer


roflmao

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so your contention is... that lee's emergency boat rescue volunteers incident that jindal is talking about did in fact take place 'weeks' after katrina made landfall??

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Now the rest of the WORLD knows what we in Louisiana have known for years.

The man is just another lying republican who will say and do whatever it takes to fullfill their personal ambitions.

Fortunaly for the Nation, he did not get out of the starting gates. Self destructed there.
Now in Louisiana we need to oust him.

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Ronald "The Great Communicator" Reagon told anecdotes all the time that made no sense and that no one could verify, so Jindal is following an established path to success in the Republican party.

Because if it's what Republicans want to hear, then it's okay and they don't care whether or not it's true. It's only the offensive truths that get critiqued.

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Well . . . Jindal just passed the astringent test of being a Loyal Republican . . . he knows how to lie!

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well,I can tell you for a fact,that I knew some of the people in boats that came from Texas and Lousiana,and when they lined up with their boats,they were told to go home,they couldn't use them...some ignored them and just went looking for people to rescue anyhow.If they hadn't, there would have been a higher death toll.

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I just watched the Sheriffs press conference and it seems Jindal was accurate. When someone says " During Katrina" clearly meant in the rescue aftermath. Anyone who thinks differently is a partisan fool.

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"In our post, we reported -- among other red flags -- that we couldn't find any news reports that put Jindal on the ground in the affected area during the time when a boat rescue would have been needed"

Clearly untrue. Boat rescues took place for many days. The Sheriff said Jindal was with him the day after Katrina. More left wing idiocy at play here,.

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Wait. So the sheriff of Pompeii DIDN'T pull people out of the ash while those damn Roman bureaucrats diddled over paperwork? Maybe we'd better keep monitoring those volcanoes after all.

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Seems that Jindal's story and subsequent "clarifications" aren't getting a better reception on Politico than they are here at TPM. Scroll own for the comments at:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0209/Jindal_aide_Story_was_set_after_Katrina.html

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That's what he gets for using Sen Burris as his PR agent.

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Most of you bloggers are missing the point here. NONE of these politicians will really look out for America's interest including your love buddy BO. The liberals and conservatives are so busy getting reelected and creating more government and wasteful spending that unless you are completely gullible we need to limit the congress to two terms and Senators one. Yet you guys get sooo much satisfaction carrying your flag of more corruptness, bigger government and wasteful spending that maybe you are for a European-style government of socialism. Since we are beyond broke, and have a guy in there now who is reaching for more government control over our lives, then watch what happens in the next four years.

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No maybe, I do want a society similar to Europe's. Including greater regulation of business. A little (or maybe a lot of) Socialism will do us a world of good.

But I'm not so sure I follow you on government control of our lives. I note that it's always the "party of small government" that wants to poke its nose the furthest into my life.

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Does anyone see the sadness-and madness, in all of this? The "New Age" Republicans allow over a billion dollars a month to go to defense contractors, Halliburton and friends, the oil empires and the upper 1% of our world rape everyone as if a shark in a feeding frenzy. Now they scream, "Whoa! Hey, there's nothing maker the rich richer in Obama's plans. WTF!! No tax cuts so we can apply for visas to recruit foreign labor, no controls so we can make health care affordable to all and continue business as usual; an idea that all Americans should have the same goals and desires of the rich to see their children educated and healthy? You mean...a fair shake to ALL??? Get out of town!!! I can not stand those that keep taking and taking-how long do they think this can go on?

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A Governor Explicated
"During"
[at some ill-defined point in the course of]

"Katrina,"
[the natural catastrophe (a powerful hurricane) and its immediate aftermath lasting for a week or more, a time that has come to be known collectively as 'Katerina']

"I"
[then congressman, now governor Bobby Jindal]

"visited"
[paid a casual call on]

"Sheriff Harry Lee, a Democrat and a good friend of mine."
[the local sheriff and a political supporter of the then-congressman's.]

"When I walked into"
[there being nothing of much urgency going on, the congressman strolled through the door of]

"his makeshift office"
[why was in here, the congressman, thought to himself. Where are the trappings of office I'm used to seeing? Gosh, I hope nothing's happened to the place the sheriff really works.]

"I'd never seen him so angry."
[hmm, must be something going on big time. Wonder if it has anything to do with why my family went up to Baton Rouge?]

"He was [literally -ed.] yelling into the phone:"
[I heard it with my own ears!]

"'Well, I'm the Sheriff and if you don't like it you can come and arrest me!'"
[that's what he said; I'll never forget it as long as I live. I had never heard an elected official talking like that before and I was quite shocked.]

"I asked him:"
[Being ever so curious, I wanted to know]

"'Sheriff, what's got you so mad?'"
[if the sheriff was yelling at mother nature or what, and I hoped it didn't have anything to do with me and why the population seemed so much bigger now in Baton Rouge.]

"He told me that he had put out a call for volunteers to come with their boats to rescue people who were trapped on their rooftops by the floodwaters."
[Oh. Were there people trapped on rooftops? Gee, I didn't know that, or I thought that was all over with, or yeah, I remember hearing that that had happened some time ago.]

"The boats were all lined up ready to go"
[I'm sorry... now? The boats are lined up now? Or they were lined up a little while ago? Sorry, sheriff, I'm a little confused. Can you speak more slowly please.]

"- when some bureaucrat showed up"
[today? last week? sheriff, wait, wait, this is going to make a great story but slow down, stop yelling so much. Just tell me what happened.]

"and told them they couldn't go out on the water unless they had proof of insurance and registration."
[this was when again? and before we get to that... this bureaucrat... who did he work for? did you get a name? I'm going to check this out. Federal, state, parish official? Do you happen to know if it was a man or a woman, and more importantly the party affiliation. I can really get to this son-of-a-b, if you'd just let me know...]

"I told him, 'Sheriff, that's ridiculous.'"
[and believe me, I know ridiculous!]

"And before I knew it,"
[that sheriff is fa-a-ast!]

"he was yelling into the phone:"
[I gotta tell ya, I kind of like this yelling stuff; I might even try it myself someday, if I could just get up the nerve]

"'Congressman Jindal is here, and he says you can come and arrest him too!'"
[I laughed and laughed because of course I hadn't said any such thing but if that old sheriff wants to make up stuff that I might have said, well, that's alright with me because even if I didn't say it, I might've if I'd been quick enough to think of it, and if he can make up stuff for people to say (and he's the law), well, then I guess I can too!]

"Harry just told the boaters"
[Now wait a second. Harry, did you tell them right after that yelling stuff or last week before I got here? 'Cause it sure sounds like you told them now, I mean now while I'm here in the office with you. But maybe it was a few days ago. But, no, it says right here... I mean it's me, I'm telling the story. First you yelled, then I asked you a question. Then you told me a story, and I said it was ridiculous, and you yelled into the phone again, only now when you yelled you were yelling about me, and then I laughed and thought about how much I really liked you, and then the boats went out on the water and people got rescued. And that's what happened, Harry, right? Isn't it? Unless that was before I'd stopped by for a friendly visit. Like I said in the beginning, remember? It wasn't before that was it? Before I got here and you yelled and stuff. Oh gosh, I'm all mixed up. Sorry, I don't tell stories very well. It's a weakness. I'm going to go away somewhere and work on that. And then I'll come back and tell better stories better. Okay? It is okay, isn't it? Harry? I miss you something awful. Oh, boy. Nevermind. All I know is we got ...]

"to ignore the bureaucrats and start rescuing people."
[and that's what I was trying to say all along. So, see, everything worked out. The end.]

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Note: There were no rescue efforts, or floodwaters for that matter, during the actual storm.

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don't know if this has been said before but even assuming for the sake of argument that jindal's story is true, how is it an argument against government?

rather, it is an argument for better government.

the sheriff is acting as an agent of government not as a private citizen. jindal was not recounting some story about a private citizen up against an inefficient government. he was telling a story about a government agent getting it right in the face of government ineffectualness.

the right does this all the time. they like to carve out law enforcement from the things "government can't do."

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Yes, Jindal is arguing for better government.

And the incompetent bureaucrats that (according to Jindal) were blocking rescue efforts were representing a Republican government.

So what lesson are we to draw from a story that appears to be false, but if true indicts the party of the teller of the story?

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the lesson i take from it is that the Republican Party has reached it's end point in it's current incarnation.

it will look like something else when it rises again.

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I'm a big TPM fan and I'm not a Bobby Jindal fan, but I'm disappointed that the updated story doesn't mention the New Orleans Times-Picayune posting a link to a video of Harry Lee on YouTube saying that Bobby Jindal was indeed in his office a few days after the hurricane. He wasn't out in boats rescuing people, but he never claimed that. The URL is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wO5S5LGT1s

There's also a video of a St. Bernard Parish sheriff saying basically the same thing about Jindal helping out after the hurricane.

The Times-Pic seems to believe that Jindal is in the clear on his hurricane story. The problem seems to be that he played fast and loose with other facts -- especially those on whose responsible for recreating the New Orleans schools and on who's responsible for or supported the tax cuts.

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He left out the sniper fire that he had to run from.

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At the time he gave this speech, I was amazed that he would even bring up the subject of Katrina in the first place. Not exactly a shining moment in the history of the GOP's ability to run government.

And then, to embellish the story only points out more dramatically how out of touch and incapable of rational thought and actions the repubs really are.

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A Baton Rougean here; I thought everyone might be interested to see this little tidbit from the March 1 Baton Rouge Advocate -- Baton Rouge's only newspaper and (I presume) the biggest in the state after the Times-Picayune, and thus a major driver of news around here, especially about state government. Their headline is "Bloggers debunked on Jindal Location." TPM gets mentioned by name. Here's the link: http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/40493657.html?index=14&c=y

I'm sure you don't need me to point out that the news story selects a very narrow part of Jindal's story that can be verified to be true and uses it to imply that Jindal's whole story is true. Note the very careful wording of the headline and the lack of any reference to the more important aspects of the story that are verifiably false.

The BR Advocate is not an especially good paper, but this story carries Jindal's water with a gusto that even this cynic found remarkable.

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Republicans don't just lie to us, they lie to themselves all the time. Here's another BIG ONE ~

"The Big Red Fairy Tale - "Palin Will Be Our New Reagan"

read about it on http://nailinpalinnow.blogspot.com/

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Pat Tillman
Jessica Lynch

Republicans LIE whenever it makes for a good story. SHAMEFUL.

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I just found this excellent little piece in "The Root" blog by Jimi Izrael:

Despite his apparent dissection from reality and a genral bad showing, I predict Gov. Bobby Jindal will be the GOP's Barack Obama, and not for nothing. Jindal is America's Uncle Taj: an Indian Uncle Tom who is way more deferential, intentionally blanched and non-threatening than Obama could ever be: Jindal is uncool, unsure, overeducated, earnest and eager to please and impress white folks. No wonder Rush Limbaugh loves him.

Jindal doesn't put alot of stock in his heritage, swapping out his Indian name for the first name of his favorite Brady. Jindal isn't an Indian American who just wants to be seen as an American: Jindal is an Indian American who wants to be white. Embracing difference makes white folks nervous: any brown person who aspires to assimilating will get high marks. He channels a certain brand of sincere self-loathing heretofore only seen in golf caddies and Larry Elder.

If the GOP put Jindal out front stumping in 2012, it will almost certainly be a wrap for Obama.


Wow. That's telling it like it is! Sincere self-loathing, huh? And I heard elsewhere that Jindal doesn't even TALK like that; he doesn't have a Lew-ziana accent at all!

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Looks like Jindal is working with Rove, because this is exactly what he would do, regardless of how outlandish it seems.

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He not only brought up Katrina which his Republican President and administration bungled but he criticized valuable volcano monitoring that can save lives in areas of volcanos that may erupt. This is idiotic.

Lying about the Sheriff Harry Lee story is idiotic.

This guy must be sorrounded by idiots.

Not that there is anything wrong with it, unless of course you are in charge of something and you totally mess it up. I know that Tommy Teepel his chief of staff does not even have a college degree.

Brilliant way to make Louisiana look dumb.

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