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Obama Admin Backs Bushies On Missing Emails
Change we can believe in? Maybe not so much.
The Obama administration is siding with the Bush administration in trying to kill a lawsuit brought by watchdog groups that seeks to gain access to Bush White House emails, reports the Associated Press.
At issue are emails from key periods of the Bush years, including the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, and the investigation into the Valerie Plame leak.
In response to the suit brought by two groups, CREW and the National Security Archive, the Bush White House recently said that it had found 14 million of the e-mails and had taken steps to archive others. But the plaintiffs called those steps inadequate.
Now the Obama Justice Department is seeking to have the suit dismissed, just as the Bush DOJ did.
"The new administration seems no more eager than the last" to deal with the issue, Anne Weismann of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, told the Associated Press.
The AP adds:
Tom Blanton, director of the National Security Archive, noted that President Barack Obama on his first full day in office called for greater transparency in government.The Justice Department "apparently never got the message" from Obama, Blanton said.
Sounds about right.













They should put a yard sign in the White House lawn:
SOLD OUT!
February 23, 2009 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some of these things are simply legacy decisions from the Bush area. It could take months for the Obama team's stamp to show up in individual cases like this.
It turns out their dealing with the meltdown of our entire economy, or so I've heard.
February 23, 2009 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh horseshit. the white house in general and the president in particular is not only capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time, it is absolutely necessary that they be able to do so.
if doj is arguing on behalf of the administration, then doj is arguing on behalf of the administration. absent evidence to the contrary, there is no reason to assume that the arguments are not being made with the knowledge and approval of the administration and its appointees.
February 23, 2009 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed.
February 23, 2009 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Disagreed. I've worked in government. To assume that the whole apparatus will be walking and chewing gum after a month isn't a safe assumption.
February 23, 2009 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
But it is a safe assumption that in a very politically sensitive case such as these are, the administration is fully apprised of the situation and fully aware of the implications of the decisions they are making despite their short tenure.
February 23, 2009 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about a little in depth reporting here. This is the same crap I saw on C&L, pushing an AP story. Is this really the NEW administration or a bunch of holdover Bush hacks? I am sure given the short time frame since Obama took office they have changed the people arguing this case for the government. Lets get these attorneys names out there so Holder can smack them down. I also expected more from CREW. They should be pointing out that the same people are in charge of this case.
February 23, 2009 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
It will be small solace, but when the Republicans begin to clamor for stuff from inside the White House that the administration won't produce, I hope those folks will be reminded that this "stonewall" was built by the GOP. I believe it's the theory of the Unitary Executive.
I just hope that the Dems in Congress will recall this, and not cave in to Republican demands for transparency at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.
February 23, 2009 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or they too don't want anyone poking around in their private e-mails and therefore are willing to keep Bush et al's secret forever. Transparency -- whatta concept.
February 23, 2009 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two Americas.
One where average citizens pay stiff prices for even minor offenses; and one where elites, regardless of party affiliation, and there really is only one party anyway, are free to break whichever laws they want, from the obstruction of justice and records-keeping laws broken here, to war crimes, torture and other atrocities committed by Bush and being followed up on by Obama, with impunity, because they know their fellow elites will always "have their back"
Two Americas indeed...
February 23, 2009 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you are on he right path. However I would add that this class issue is defined by networking and greasing the right wheels (money). This is no more than capitalism at it's finest. I think many aspects of this downturn or country is facing is simply based on the false sense of security which is built on this networking and greasing. I just so happens that right now bullshit is selling so hot and everybody trying to figure out how to sit tight. Well that just my two cents.
I remember an article here a couple of weeks back referring to how many civil servants made up the DOJ. Not just Bush II guys and gals but Bush I, Reagan, Ford etc. I am not excusing the Obama DOJ for this current stance ( I think this is worrisome to say the least) but I think some more reporting is definetely in order. (I am also not trying to insinuate that all former republican appointed civil servants practice unethical behavior, I am just cautious over the many holes which need to be filled for this story)
February 23, 2009 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Not Change We Can Believe In?"
You come up with that on your own? That's brilliant, really.
February 23, 2009 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't even quote you right. Sorry, just thought that "not so much" thing was kinda lame.
February 23, 2009 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are a lot of signs that Obama doesn't want to re-visit the crimes of the Bush administration. It's obvious that they don't want to get bogged down in recriminations and hashing through old stuff, because they think that would be an impediment to moving forward with a new agenda. I disagree with that kind of thinking-- cleaning up the old mess is essential if you want to move forward. Obama is a Constitutional scholar, and ought to know better.
February 23, 2009 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
WWDD?
What Would Dennis Do?
February 23, 2009 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what the hell this story is supposed to be about.
"The Obama administration, siding with former President George W. Bush, is trying to kill a lawsuit that seeks to recover what could be millions of missing White House e-mails."
What the hell does that even mean? Has the DOJ filed a motion to dismiss since Obama took over, and, if so on what grounds? Did they file a motion for summary judgment and, if so, on what legal arguments? Have the merely refused to voluntarily withdraw their answer and admit all the allegations of the complaint the way the AP reporter thinks they should? Have they merely filed a reply to a response to a motion the Bushies filed?
Does the AP reporter even know what the hell all this fancy stuff that goes on in a courtroom and in the filings mean and has he even read the filings, or is he just reporting based on some inflammatory quotes from the other side? The fact that he has exactly one, count 'em one, frakking sentence about the case makes me suspect the latter.
For that matter, what exactly is the plaintiff actually asking for? What relief are they seeking? It's kind of important in that it might tell us what, exactly, the government is opposing as opposed to some pretty generalizations from a reporter who obviously doesn't know anything about what he's supposed to be covering.
The thing I hate about the MSM is that they write stories, little novels, based upon an agreed-upon CW narrative rather than actually telling us what's going on. What I am coming to really lose my cool with about the left of center blogosphere is that they're starting to do the exact same thing, just with their own special narratives.
February 23, 2009 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quite right: it's a piss-poor article that doesn't tell you what's actually happening. It quotes papers filed today by the plaintiffs and has some juicy quotes by the plaintiffs, but what exactly is the DoJ doing?
I think the AP reporter may have been taken for a ride by the plaintiffs.
(Which would not be a bad thing in the sense that it keeps up the pressure on the WH to release the emails. But it's a bad thing in the sense that a competent press is, you know, essential to democracy.)
Of course, it's possible that the DoJ is still defending the lawsuit just as vigorously as under Bush, but the article offers no actual facts in support of that conclusion.
February 23, 2009 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a different article on the subject:
http://www.propublica.org/article/obamas-doj-opposes-lawsuit-to-release-missing-bush-e-mails
It looks like the DoJ filed the motion to dismiss the day after Obama's inauguration. That was the last action by the Obama administration in the case. (The new articles were spurred by the plaintiff's response to the motion to dismiss, which was filed this past Friday.)
Motions are not planned and written in a day -- certainly not in a high-profile and complex case such as this. Without a doubt, the motion to dismiss was planned by the Bush DoJ and written by the Bush DoJ.
So let's consider the possibilities:
(1) On January 21, Obama and his team had fully reviewed the situation and had decided to fight the lawsuit just as the Bush administration had.
(2) On January 21, Obama and his team had not fully reviewed the situation and come to a decision, and so decided to let the planned motion go forward, knowing that the DoJ position could be refined or withdrawn at a later date.
February 23, 2009 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
During the Transition, the Executive Office of the President Agency Review Team examined the e-mails issue as well as other issues like nonexistent control of classified information among White House staff, abuse of "contractor" and "detailee" status among others.
The EOP Agency Review Team made several recommendations. So rest assured, the Obama Administration is not being caught by surprise here, nor are they "winging" policy.
It might be fruitful to approach the former Transition organization and see just what the Agency Review team recommended vis a vis the e-mail problem.
Not coincedentally, Mark Lindsay, the former Clinton head of the White House Office of Management and Administration, the guy who was unfortunately and repeadtedly dragged up to the Hill by Rep. Dan Burton in the late 90's to testify about the Clinton lost mail, served on the Obama Agency Review Team. By the end of Burton's probing (inconclusive) and no fewer than three GAO reports on the issue, we were into 2001. I have no doubt that Mark also knew the severity of the e-mail issue before the Obama Administration.
I'd like to give the Administration the benefit of the doubt.
But, for now, Zach would be perfectly legit with a headline "Obama Administration - Less Transparent Than Clinton's."
February 23, 2009 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Power corrupts. No change; nothing much to believe in after all!
February 23, 2009 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nobody could have predicted that Obama would be loath to give up some of the new Presidential powers that the Bush Administration invented.
And indeed, he doesn't deserve the benefit of any doubt on this one. It's pure hypocrisy given all his pious preaching about openness.
February 23, 2009 11:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is another instance of backpedaling by Obama that is giving me a warning feeling in the pit of my stomach.
Bush conducted an offensive throughout his administration to gain power for the executive and now Obama holds that power. Just as human nature predicts, he isn't willing to part with it.
Notice also that, so far at least, we haven't heard much about domestic surveillance and what is truly happening on that front. The full scope of government snooping has never been made clear and I don't expect that to change.
Under Bush, citizens lost some fundamental freedoms and I'm afraid those freedoms are gone for good. Digital video cameras everywhere increasingly record all activity in public places and electronic communications are not private by any stretch and truly never were. Every dime we spend is or can be tracked.
This stuff is for everyone 24/7 and is true for your entire life and will probably become even more invasive over time. How does it feel to know you are being stalked electronically from birth to death? It's early days of this new administration but the pattern emerging varies from Bush only in that it is being administered with a spoon full of sugar.
February 24, 2009 2:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Every dime we spend is or can be tracked."
Wrong. It is very difficult to trace the progress of a dime, or a dollar bill, through the economy.
It is very easy to track credit card transactions and to track you when you are associated with any transaction by using any card with any purchases like food, gas, clothing, etc..
Take a hint. If you want any privacy in your economic life - pay cash.
February 24, 2009 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe this is going too far afield, but I've seen the same thing posted on more than a couple sites so far, and the only thing we're going on so far is CREW's:
"The new administration seems no more eager than the last"
Can we get a little more on that before we write stories about stories around it? This article references another that relies entirely on the same quote. Can we please have the legal justification from the White House about continuing the roadblock, if such has been released?
If not, the only thing we have to go on is CREW (who I normally trust) possibly reacting to no official response yet. Given the transitional state of the Justice department, I'd be surprised if there were a well founded one yet.
Has there even been an official response to this yet? Or are we going on what they "seem" to not have changed yet? It's fine and good to pressure them to make different policy, but let's not tar them too quickly with agreeing with the Bush Administration until they, you know, actually agree with them.
This is complete conjecture, otherwise.
February 24, 2009 4:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I mean, the Justice department, according to the Propublica article, filed a motion on the 21st, Obama's first day in office, and the Non-Profit NSA "responded" on the following Friday, unless you actually read the linked document, which is dated as filed the day before Obama took office.
Can we at the VERY least get our dates right?
February 24, 2009 4:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a correct criticism of the article:
This is also an apt observation:
The motion to dismiss had been in the works for weeks, if not months, before it was filed. I am confident it was submitted through the required review process by superiors to the trial attorneys--all under Bush. I imagine the decision to file on January 21 was the result of a deadline imposed by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, or by a decision to get it on file before a new Administration took over.
These facts must be stressed. A new President does not get sworn in and suddenly, like some Irish pooka, a new political appointee, flush with a comprehensive understanding of Department policies and procedures from days past, appears in a chair to guide the levers.
In the week building up to the inauguration, political appointees were going around, saying their goodbyes, and turning in their BlackBerries. Left standing wrere the civil servants and Acting Assistant this and Acting Section Chief that. None of whom are going to reverse course on litigation in a way that dictates a policy change. Not while the Attorney General's nomination languished in the Senate.
The ship of State is, in times of transition, run by ensigns and yeomen as the Captain is being Commissioned.
Perhaps in pure policy settings it is easier to reverse direction. But in litigation, it surely is not. Things waived cannot be unwaived, and I would rather have an Attorney General who wants to review what the implications are of things before he and those below him are permitted to willy-nilly go waiving a whole area of possible privilege for an entire branch of Government.
Remeber this rule, which usually doesn't vary: Reporters rarely understand legal proceedings and issues, and they almost always get it wrong. That is true of the AP in this case and, I am sad to say, it looks like TPM went rushing to the front page with a banner headline and story (and snarky lede line) without doing their homework.
February 24, 2009 7:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for your assistance, Lars. Your comments are always so fruitful.
February 24, 2009 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Regarding Bush power grab controversies, watching once candidate Obama and now President Obama, is like watching an ice cream cone melt in the July heat.
February 24, 2009 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
If this:
refers to the January 21st motion, this is a crap article and should be retracted.
Generally "now" doesn't usually refer to last month.
TPM: Please clarify and don't just pass along shoddy factoids from the AP unverified.
February 24, 2009 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I for one am willing to give President Obama the benefit of the doubt and wait to see what happens. I also want to see ex-president Bush tried for, at least part of, his crimes. Ditto for Cheney.
February 24, 2009 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink