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GOP Witness: By Historical Standards, Bushies' War On Terror Conduct Was "Exemplary"
The Senate Judiciary committee is currently holding hearings on that proposal from committee chair Pat Leahy to set up a Truth Commission to look into the Bush administration's war on terror.
We'll have more to say on this whole subject soon, but for now it's worth noting that, as you'd expect, Bush allies are fighting hard to stymie Leahy's idea.
Just now, the committee heard from David Rivkin, a lawyer who served in the Justice Department and the White House under Presidents Reagan and George H. W. Bush.
Explaining why he opposed Leahy's proposal, Rivkin declared:
Yes, mistakes were made. Yes, some bad things happened. But compared with the historical baseline of past wars, the conduct of the United States in the past eight years ... has been exemplary.
We're sure that victims of torture under the Bush administration would appreciate Rivkin's willingness to supply that historical context.
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) certainly didn't. He told Rivkin:
I would suggest, Mr. Rivkin, that until you know, and we all know, what was done under the Bush administration, you not be so quick to throw other generations of Americans under the bus, and assume that they did worse.
Late Update: Here's the video:













And maybe that guy in Austria who kept his daughter in cellar for 34 years was "exemplary" when compared to some slave holders.
But that doesn't excuse the behavior!
March 4, 2009 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
We must have a special prosecutor.
The only thing a commission will accomplish is the mass issuing of get-out-of-jail-free cards. Moreover, it will give future fascists carte blanche to engage in new and improved war crimes. There is a recognizable pattern here.
March 4, 2009 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Someone with subpoena power who can investigate, empower a grand jury, follow the evidence wherever it leads, and indict.
March 4, 2009 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jonathan Turley seemed to be of the same mind on "Countdown" last night regarding the enablers in the Justice Department.
(I think he was as much offended by the shoddiness of the legal work as by the heinousness of what they were arguing for. He said that the arguments in some of John Yoo's memos were of the quality that get papers handed back to law students for a re-do.)
March 4, 2009 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
And John Yoo was quickly snapped up as a tenured professor at Cal-Berkeley. And they love him. Guess that there law school ain't goin' nowhere nohow.
March 4, 2009 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yoo started teaching at UC Berkeley in 1993 according to Yoo's website.
Quaere : when did Yoo become tenured ? After being tenured he would not be fired except under specific circumstances.
As I understand the situation.
In any event, even with Yoo teaching there, a great school.
GO BEARS
March 5, 2009 2:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know it will never happen, both Jonathan Turley tops my short list for next vacancy on SCOTUS.
Only problem is that he wouldn't be able to appear with Keith and Rachel any more.
March 5, 2009 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean two wrongs DON'T make a right!? Darn! And I was SURE Rivkin wouldn't get caught being a foreign agent against the interests of the United States.
March 5, 2009 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just as Bush shopped for the Attorney's and Assistants to give him the answer he already had, so too has Leahy and his DINO and GOP cohorts shopped the "expert witness" list. Who inside The Beltway want accountability for extra Constitutional exploits or war crimes of the last Regime. How easy and self serving to hold hearing or Commissions when the worse case for someone called to expiate his sin is saying "I'm sorry and I have seen the errors of my ways and will not torture or maim any innocents again". It sure would have saved time, energy and money to hold War Crime Commissions instead of Tribunals after WWII. Why didn't Truman and Churchill understand
March 4, 2009 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tell us how you do it!
Tell us how you can read minds and predict the future, based upon an exceedingly flawed projection!?
March 5, 2009 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let the Republikan justifications, lying, cover-up and CYA begin...!
March 4, 2009 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rivkin needs to STFU: his views are false, fraudulent, and already discredited by the facts we've known, and the torture memoes so far released.
The only thing "exemplary" was the ability of the Bushit criminal enterprise to lie and keep everything secret. And that was anti- and UnAmerican.
March 4, 2009 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose it would have been helpful if Rivkin had been more specific about his references; for example, if he was thinking of Genghis Khan or Pol Pot, I'd probably have to agree with him. Otherwise, not so much.
March 4, 2009 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
He was probably thinking of the parallels with Hitler, and the skill with which the intents were kept secret.
March 5, 2009 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
My point exactly Thera P!
I guess that whole concept of improvement should be tossed out the window just like the geneva conventions were in so many cases of a thousand captured!
Oh and yes you are right Mr Rivkin some of the atrocities under Bush co simply don't measure up to the atrocities during the Reagan era, and yet your party continually puts Senor Reagan on this mantle on that shiny hill. Perhaps Bush was doing some of that fine cocaine that was filtering through the US during the Reagan, Iran-contra years. OH the good times!
March 4, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ya gotta love Rivkin's goober expression (and failure to respond) after Sen. Whitehouse's comments.
March 4, 2009 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree in some respects. I thinks that Reagan's work with Iran-Contra was far worse for America because it introduced crack to inner city America as a method of securing funds for weapon's purchases by the Contra's. Destroying the fabric of African American culture, and millions of lives is pretty bad.
March 4, 2009 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but, Nancy said, "Just say NO!"
March 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was on CSPAN 666 right? Which covers legislative hearing in Hell, right?
What have we come to?
March 4, 2009 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rivkin is an old right wing lawyer from the Reagan Administration. I saw him on C-SPAN a few times during those years, then he dropped out of sight. He came out of the woodwork about a year ago spinning like a whirling dervish in support of the Bush administration.
His chief duty is trying to put lipstick on a pig.
March 4, 2009 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rivkin is truly despicable, with or without the crazy hair color.
March 4, 2009 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is the lamest excuse I ever heard uttered and it's not the first time I have heard Rivkin use it. Compared to other despots he's a saint? If laws should be imposed on a relativity basis, then there's a whole lot of blue collar criminals that will be coming out of prison, because Bernie Madoff is confined to a mansion.
March 4, 2009 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not for lack of trying.
March 4, 2009 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
On a personal note, I wasn't kidnapped, rendered and tortured, but I did have all of my phone calls, cellphone calls and emails tapped without a warrant. This simply because I lived on the central California coast, and all of my communications were routed through the AT&T switches in San Francisco.
I know this sounds trivial to some, compared to actual torture, but I am rather quaint and believe in the protections afforded me under the Bill of Rights. I would like those who violated my rights to be prosecuted, found guilty and sentenced to prison.
Why? Because without such consequences, someone is much more likely to do it again.
March 4, 2009 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hear, hear!
March 4, 2009 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
That whole riff was eerily like something from a Holocaust denier--right down to the slight Germanic accent.
It's bad enough that he makes excuses, but. . ."exemplary"??
Gotta watch that overkill. It gets you in trouble every time. He looked like a little schoolboy at the end. Sorta took the wind right out of his sails.
March 4, 2009 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, Chairman Mao had lots more people killed; so did Stalin. But I wouldn't say Bush's orders to waterboard and torture some unfortunate people to death was "exemplary."
March 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps Rivkin meant that the tortures were "professionally conducted," instead of "exemplary," his being an English-as-a-Second-Language far-right lunatic fringe ideologue and all.
March 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a dictatorship, the guys at the top get to choose who will be prosecuted for various crimes... and who won't.
See any resemblance?
March 4, 2009 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Bush isn't as bad as Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot and Slobodan Milosevic.
How comforting.
March 4, 2009 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Slow down: Senator Whitehouse made the excellent point that we don't know that yet.
March 5, 2009 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, you all make excellent points, but that book-learnin' ain't gonna get you.. ahem - that level of inquiry isn't likely to paint a very positive picture of the United States or of the half of our electorate actually responsible for and fully in support of the previous 'administration'.
Can you imagine saying that? I'm sorry honey, but it's probably best if we didn't talk about the affair my secretary had with me. And it would pale by comparison to some of the other affairs I've had- you should have been in Korea!
And besides, they fired up the smoke machine years ago. So what if that doesn't work either?
March 4, 2009 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
So much for those Rape of Nanking jokes I wrote for my niece's wedding. Thanks a lot, Rivkin!
March 4, 2009 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has anyone ever been thrown under an actual bus?
The fact that our leaders are now modeling our articulate reality TV stars is rather horrifying.
March 4, 2009 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rivkin must be a sociopath.
Anyone who respects the rule of law and Constitution has to be repulsed by the legal opinions under which the Bush Administration operated for years...
There is no way around it -- either you are a Patriot and respect the law or you are a dirty, rotten scoundrel who acquiesces to government officials hoarding power and subjugating otherwise free people.
March 5, 2009 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Sociopath"--my reaction exactly. I looked at Rivkin and told my wife--there is the perfect embodiment of "the banality of evil".
March 5, 2009 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another foreign-born jackass more than willing to throw "other generations of Americans under the bus".
March 5, 2009 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink