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Scarborough: Torture Opponents Want "Washington DC And Los Angeles To Be Obliterated By A Nuclear Blitz"
MSNBC's Joe Scarborough went on quite a rant this morning, attacking President Obama's decision to release the torture memos.
He ended up by calling for an honest (kind of) debate: "If you'd like Washington DC and Los Angeles to be obliterated by a nuclear blitz [rather than permitting the use of waterboarding], I respect your opinion."
Watch:
Good old liberal MSNBC.
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I don't see how anybody can stomach watching Morning Joe DoucheBorough (h/t Jon Stewart).
April 17, 2009 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd sooner witness the teabagging of John McCain. At least someone would eventually get off and that horrible noise would STOP.
April 17, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I watch it sometimes, it is common for Joe to be embarrassed by guests and that makes it all worth it.
April 17, 2009 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sad to say you are so correct. I watch Joe so I can find out the new mantra of the day for Republicans. Otherwise, I can hardly tolerate his silly statements but he does seem to have the meme of the day coming out of the mouths of Republicans, even that early in the mornig. When I listen to him, I realize what a great decision I made when I left the Republican party several years ago.
April 20, 2009 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's no small wonder he failed as a Congressman. But when networks put half-wits like these as the chair, I really feel bad for America. Our future is grim if this is the "best and the brightest".
April 17, 2009 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gave up watching after the whole "People are only attacking Palin because she's a woman" meme took over the show.
The level of groupthink that takes over on most days is commpletely unbearable. I guess it's too much to ask to have a progressive on regularly to counter Scarborough and Buchanan.
April 17, 2009 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last night I watched Joe "Scarab" and Mika with Charlie Rose. Joe kept saying that he agreed wholeheartedly with Obama's approach to foreign policy and thought it was a great improvement over Bush's arrogance and unilateralism. He praised David Axelrod for being fair and open minded. I'm sure they put something in his coffee.
Today he's back to his normal, vitriolic and bitter self. If this is their main competitor, CNN has nothing to fear!
April 17, 2009 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
He pointed out the flaw in his own argument: for him, and for some, fear trumps principles. Not something I'd be proud to broadcast about myself. The 1% Doctrine is the last refuge of cowards.
April 17, 2009 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I chalk it up to too much 24 watching. Like most 'wingers, Joe has a man-crush on Jack Bauer.
April 17, 2009 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw them on Charlie Rose last night and this clown is like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde......he's an ass and his rants are tiresome....who wants to wake up at 6 am and listen to his nonstop bashing of the President and the Dems in Congress.
His schtick is just awful and Mika's no bargain either.
April 17, 2009 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe and Mika are so biased and contribute nothing to the current dailogue of this country. Mika is a fool to Joe who panders to Pat Buchanan. I turned them off many months ago and compare to a plan of torture to minds of this country.
April 17, 2009 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey lets lockup or bomb any human that doesn't agree with us.
Love and compassion that's for a bible thumpers.
Hey I was lucky enough to be born in USA, lets kick the c**p out of any one on earth that doesn't agree with us.
The US comes in 17th in the world for average IQ
Guys like Joe prove it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations
April 17, 2009 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which cities exactly is waterboarding supposed to have saved? Or perhaps more fairly, which lives, which real operations did it thwart? Joe demands that be an accepted fact in the debate, but I'm wondering what he bases that on.
At one level it boils down to: being vicious makes us safe vs. torturing people makes people hate the torturers, i.e. creates long term terrorism. Hard to convince either side they're wrong.
April 17, 2009 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I, for one, am glad that Scarborough finally made it acceptable to have this debate. I might not agree with him that waterboarding is better than nuclear annihiliation, but think folks shouldn't attack him just because of that. Isn't it enough that he's allowing us to have this debate?
You can read my post on this at American Nihilist:
Media Hero of the Day: Joe Scarborough
April 18, 2009 3:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
"waterboarding is better than nuclear annihiliation"
If these are the only two options left to us we are truly screwed. There have to be other options.
April 20, 2009 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which one will joe be in?
April 18, 2009 6:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a view that many of you don't have. It could be because I come from a military family, or because I am Republican, or a litany of other things, who knows!
The tactics used while interrogating these suspected "terrorist" are meant to be uncomfortable, they are in a prison, not on vacation. The tactics used so not cause long-term harm and furthermore (in almost all cases) do not inflict physical harm. It is all physiological. That is why they use "simulated drowning" (i.e. water boarding), sleep deprivation, loud music, bright lights, etc. It's trying to make them uncomfortable enough to tell us what we need to know.
I am all for physiologically extreme/intense interrogation tactic. They do much worse to our soldiers!
I agree with Obama, in not charging Bush officials. The CIA operatives, first off were following orders (i.e. acting in good faith)... and the Bush officials were doing what they felt was necessary to protect the country, and thus far it has worked. Have we been attacked since 9/11 by a terrorist or terrorist organization? No.
I also want to remind you that many of the suspected terrorist we released were once again found committing acts of "terror" against civilians and U.S. troops on the ground. The number 1 goal is the safety of our country and our soldiers, and that should never change.
Also, I am a huge fan of Scarborough and MorningJoe. I love the variety they have on the show and think Scarborough is fair and speaks his mind, while accepting other points of view. If he wasn't so accepting, he for sure wouldn't be on MSNBC.
April 18, 2009 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dustin, I'll grant you that some interrogation tactics are in a grey area.
But waterboarding? We called it torture in the WWII war crimes trials, and executed Japanese for doing it to American POWs.
In the past few years, many journalists, academics and others have voluntarily been waterboarded to gauge it's effects. I challenge you to name one that doesn't describe it as torture.
April 18, 2009 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not trying to attack you here, but I think your worldview is the same type that reasons that medical insurance shouldn't cover psychological problems because it's "just in their heads", or that mental illness is just an excuse. Mental problems are real problems, and mental anguish is real anguish. Losing a hand or organ would result in less anguish than these treatments that you assert are not torture.
On a related note, one reason the Republicans can't admit this is because they've fought so hard for that rationale in making abortion illegal unless in the case of physical harm to the woman's body (though not all will even allow this exception).
April 20, 2009 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Watching Joe and his merry band is Torture!
April 19, 2009 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am with Obamafirst. I stopped watching even before the elections. The distortions, rants, you name it. And yes, Joe probably does agree with Obama on a lot of things,but this is all show biz folks. Ratings. All of these hosts get their marching orders early on from the news director who tells them the stories they want to run with. The more audience the better and the more ranting the more audience.
Stop watching these folks and let their ratings tumble and see how fast they will be replaced.
April 20, 2009 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want to keep Washington and (even) L.A. safe. That's why I am in favor of torture! Heh, heh!
April 20, 2009 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink