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Will's Global Warming Distortions Called Out ... By Washington Post

It looks like some members of the Washington Post's news section are fighting back against George Will's efforts -- aided by the paper's editorial page -- to mislead readers about global warming.

Via Grist's Dave Roberts: Deep down in a story about the alarming thinning of Arctic sea ice, triggered by global warming, Washington Post reporters Juliet Eilperin and Mary Beth Sheridan write:

The new evidence -- including satellite data showing that the average multiyear wintertime sea ice cover in the Arctic in 2005 and 2006 was nine feet thick, a significant decline from the 1980s -- contradicts data cited in widely circulated reports by Washington Post columnist George F. Will that sea ice in the Arctic has not significantly declined since 1979.

The Post wouldn't talk to Roberts about the reporting and editing process, other than to say they "stand behind their reporting." But it seems clear that the journalists who worked on this story are directly calling Will out for his misleading use of data to claim that ice levels haven't declined since 1979 -- which TPMmuckraker, along with scores of others, pointed out in February. (We also had some fun with the Post's bizarre refusal to take any action on the issue.)

In fact, there appears to be a slight error in today's story's characterization of what Will said. He didn't address "sea ice in the Arctic", but rather "global sea ice levels" (our itals). It was that figure that, Will claimed, hasn't declined since 1979. And no doubt he'll say that the data released yesterday doesn't go to that issue.

But as we've noted before, the very experts who Will cited have made clear that the key indicator of warming is northern hemispheric ice levels -- in other words, Arctic ice levels -- rather than global levels. So though Will my not have technically written anything untrue, his rendering of the issue unquestionably distorted the facts, and badly misled readers.

That's why it's nice to see some at the Post fighting back.

Late Update: Roberts has now heard back from the Washington Post editor on the story. He writes:

[UPDATE: After I put this post up, science editor Nils Bruzelius gave me a call and was quite collegial and open about the story. It was actually him who had the idea to reference Will, since the, ahem, "data" Will had distributed got so much publicity and was on people's minds. He said he and the reporters agreed, it was a routine news judgment, nothing about it struck him as unusual, and as far as he knows no one above him questioned or was even aware of it. I don't know how much of that is feingned (sic) innocence--I've certainly never heard of a similar case--but it seems there was no big process inside WaPo behind this. Cheers to Bruzelius for the transparency.]


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Well, y'know, they make it very clear that there's a firewall between News and OpEd at the Post. This wall is apparently so rigorous that the editorial writers are not allowed to actually *read* the news reporting.

Coincidentally, there's also a wall between the Washington Post (my local paper) and my subscription dollars.

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I'm getting pretty close to that myself. I just happen to like the metro section, and can't live without pearls before swine. I dumped the journal for the same general reasons, but before murdoch took it over.

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Well, I can't help you with the local news (which I agree is the only worthwhile part of the paper left), but you can get your Pearls fix here.

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So funny that a man so used to wowing people by name-dropping (remember Doonesbury's great series years ago about Will ordering around his "Quote Boy") is being called on it. Sorry George -- there's more to being an intellectual than Googling facts that appear to agree with you.

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Must be tough to be living in an era when reality rules! Georgie boy, your propaganda helpers returned to TX. It's you on your own now. You - against reality. Doesn't make you look too good, georgie. Tsk. Tsk.

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I guess he always thought: Where there's a Will, there's a Way.

Ummmm... NOPE!

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Yes, this reminds me of Steven Colbert's satirical comment to GWB that "we aren't members of the Factinistas". And "don't look it up in a book, look it up in your gut." Guys like Will and a long list of other Republican leaders and GOPologists just hate all those pesky facts that always get in the way of their opinions and pronouncements. It's sweet to seem them losing some ground in their War on Reality.

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Love your pig with lipstick! :)

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Thanks! Of course, I wouldn't have the pic without you!

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Ah.... fond memories of fun and games a few months back! :)

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To think I used to argue for WaPo as the most important paper in the world. Of course that was the early seventies, when they had standards... It is now two or three defections from falling off the face of the earth.

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2 or 3 defections (or defecations?)

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Cute cavil.

:-)

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Climate science is serious science.

One does not get to cherry-pick facts and cook up some theory to match one's wishes.

The scientists working in this field have to make careful statements - or get clobbered by their peers. Science is extremely competitive.

Let's have Will propose his theory at a meeting of climate experts. He can answer questions from the audience. He may escape being exposed as a clown. He may get laughed out of the venue.

Will's patrons, who pay for this sort of bunk, should also be exposed. Surprise, surprise when we find out who they are.

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It really is incredible to think that both of this country's most important and respected newspapers, the Washington Post and the NY Times, are crumbling before our eyes. Each has lost a tremendous amount of credibility; neither shows any sign of comprehending this.

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And they won't... till they start taking on water. It's the Titanic... going down!

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Fact: Sea ice at Antarctica is up over 43% since 1980.
Fact: Arctic ice is down less than 7% since 1980!
Source: NASA and National Snow and Ice Data Center

See a pattern in how the science doesn't meld with alarmist news stories? And Eilperin is hardly one to quote or give serious consideration. She was first with her alarmist stories and will be the last to apologize when the sea ice settles. As it always has in the past and always will.

Learn more at: http://www.dailytech.com/Will+the+Real+Antarctica+Please+Stand+Up/article14028.htm

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So this must be great news for wingnut global warming denialists, yes?


Ice bridge holding Antarctic ice shelf cracks up
Mon Apr 6, 8:53 am ET
OSLO (Reuters) – An ice bridge which had apparently held a vast Antarctic ice shelf in place during recorded history shattered on Saturday and could herald a wider collapse linked to global warming, a leading scientist said.
"It's amazing how the ice has ruptured. Two days ago it was intact," David Vaughan, a glaciologist with the British Antarctic Survey, told Reuters of a satellite image of the Wilkins Ice Shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula.
The satellite picture, from the European Space Agency (ESA), showed that a 40 km (25 mile) long strip of ice believed to pin the Wilkins Ice Shelf in place had splintered at its narrowest point, about 500 meters wide.
"We've waited a long time to see this," he said.
The Wilkins, now the size of Jamaica or the U.S. state of Connecticut, is one of 10 shelves to have shrunk or collapsed in recent years on the Antarctic Peninsula, where temperatures have risen in recent decades apparently because of global warming.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090406/sc_nm/us_antarctica_ice_1


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Bizzare that you reference an articel that doesn't support any of the posted data. How about giving a link to the primary data in the future

http://nsidc.org/cgi-bin/bist/bist.pl?annot=1&legend=1&scale=100&tab_cols=2&tab_rows=2&config=seaice_index&submit=Refresh&mo0=03&hemis0=S&img0=extn&mo1=03&hemis1=S&img1=conc&year0=2009&year1=1980&.cgifields=no_panel&referal=globalwarminghoax.com

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we live in the northern hemisphere?

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I find your spelling distracting. Are you really from another planet?

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I love the personal attacks. They are such a great substitute for facts.

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>>See a pattern in how the science doesn't meld with alarmist news stories? And Eilperin is hardly one to quote or give serious consideration. She was first with her alarmist stories and will be the last to apologize when the sea ice settles. As it always has in the past and always will.

No. Not at all. See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nruCRcbnY0&feature=channel

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I was going to point out that a HUGE ice mass that had been stable for all of recorded history has just broken off in Antarctica, but pinson beat me to it. It certainly shows that despite denials by high school debate veterans, science has now shown that global warming does exist and Will blew it when he tried to conflate supposed Antarctic cooling with Arctic warming. Both places are warming.

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Sorry, you're an idiot, get a grip. 2,000 scientists WORLDWIDE have come to an accord on climate change. You're an ass.

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Actually there are several problems with global ice.

The one sited is that Arctic ice is all ocean ice, it floats, and is easily eroded by warm water. It also grows and shrinks every year by a huge amount.

But there are two types of arctic ice: year old ice and multi-year ice. Year old ice is thin and easily broken up and melted. It also grows faster, so that even if the ice cover grows back to the same place every year, the amount of year old ice is more important. Why? Because the research shows that the minimum ice cover is reached later in the year, so ice keeps eroding longer each year and dark ocean is exposed to the sun for longer each year, absorbing more heat. But the year old ice grows back fast, so the maximum ice doesn't go down that much over the years.

Second: old ice is much thicker and represents more ice per square mile, so measuring just the amount of ice at maximum cover is not a measure of how much arctic ice has gone away.

But third: global "warming" can be measured with a thermometer. Will wishes to select his data and ignore all other data which doesn't support his conclusions. Scientists don't have the luxury of ignoring data. The typical conservative anti-scientist tends to do this. They use scientific language, but assume that they can choose which data to use and which they can ignore. In general they ignore 99% of the data so they can make their point.

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Why do you folks continue to report on George Will? The man blows and blows, has nothing to say, and never has. He's a nobody.

You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

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Looks like the WaPo is turning into what the WSJ was in the 1980-90's, a editorial section that distinguish, or rather embarrasses, itself by not reading the rest of the paper. Editorials that aren't supported by the facts reported in the news section of the paper, just dogma dressed up with pretty words.

Call it the hubris of the punditry. "Facts, facts, we don need no stinkin facts."

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hold up....

...people still buy newspapers?

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I am a newbie to the ice is thinner crowd so forgive me if my question is not up to speed.

A friend of mine illustrated: Ice cubes in a glass. When the cubes melt the water in the glass does not overflow.

The problem with the ice being thinner, is the one over the land mass. There is no displacement process until the newly melted ice becomes more liquid, over filling the oceans basin or glass.

Is this a logical illustration?

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You are concentrating on ocean level rise. What the business with the thinning of the Arctic ice cap shows is that temperatures are rising and the ocean is getting warmer. This is only indirectly related to rising sea levels, but it is proof positive that global warming exists. Essentially what the thinning ice and the decreased multiyear ice with increased single year ice imply is that more volume of ice melts in the summer than freezes in the winter, again showing an increase in global warming.

The link with sea level increases comes about because actually a lot of the rising sea level isn't because of glaciers melting into the ocean, but rather water expands when it is warmed. Therefore a rise of a couple degrees in ocean water temperature means that the volume of ocean water will increase measurably. It has to go someplace so it just pushes up the shoreline.

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I would like Mr. Will to comment on the the killing class's climate for war and the current economic crisis it has caused.

Climate change and global warming may be a bit too much for the flat earth class.

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Note also that there is a positive feedback loop when ice caps shrink. More exposed water means more radiation absorbed INTO the water and not reflected back to space by the highly reflective snow/ice. More radiation absorbed means that further warming is, all other things being equal, faster. And so on.

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George Will is the antithesis of Al Gore.

Some Fun Thoughts for Today:

CO2 of course drops off when you drive 222 billion miles less than the year before, and that is just in the USA. Thank you economic collapse. Could that have helped the return of snowfall?


The last decade was the warmest decade and continues to keep the trend line up in average temps. So much for the "Getting cooler bull"


Yes the seas have melted before, they will melt again, and this time humans have done their ignorant best to help it along.


Since CO2 levels rise 800 years after warming in the geologic record, yet CO2 is now accelerating ahead of warming and acidifying the oceans, it is a double whammy. Increase airborne CO2 while decreasing oceans capability to sequester it... priceless.


Do you think the average temp of the ocean would go up or down if you slid ice cubes the size of Jamaica into it? And how do take the temperature of a swirling mass of water so deep you can't even get to the bottom?

Most auto exhaust is H2O, a more threatening green house gas.


The Denialist Psalms... love to shoot them down with common sense.

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So basically... arctic ice cover has a well-known liberal bias.

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Fact: Sea ice at Antarctica is up over 43% since 1980.
Fact: Arctic ice is down less than 7% since 1980!

A classic way to lie with statistics. There is (or was) a whole ocean of sea ice in the arctic and only a narrow band of sea ice around Antarctica. How much is 43% of a comparatively small quantity? And the added sea ice (stuff that's actually afloat) is coming from the breakup of shelf ice. Its increase is also a bad sign.

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Well, OK, it's not user-pic who lies with statistics, it's Rebel Yell. I see now that user-pic is TPM's quaint way to label an entry.

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the debate is over -send Al your money.

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Fred Hiatt's at it again...this is industrial strength stupid:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/08/AR2009040803769.html

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