Its a he said, she said, but Speaker Pelosi has one very strong point supporting her credibility: unlike the CIA, she wants an investigation.

"Look for more of it now that BOTH parties have decided to protect each other during our decline from what once made this nation great..."

I think you've forgotten the most important axiom in politics: that it is always the choice of the lesser of evils. I'll take Pelosi over Denny Hastert or Steny Hoyer every day.

Anyway, the CIA lied? Who would ever have believed...

Watch the Daily Show montage of Pelosi and you'll realize who is really lying here.

"Watch the Daily Show montage of Pelosi and you'll realize who is really lying here."

You don't need a weatherman (or a comedian) to know which way the wind blows. It's the f*cking CIA. If they're talking, they're lying.

One can only hope this leads to getting a full investigation. Piss off Dem Leadership enough that they grow some balls.

John

A few thoughts:

1) Witch hunt logic: "We know you did it. Confess and we'll go easy on you" (Trashing someone's rep based on what the CIA says is unwise at best.)

2) Complicity with blackmail: Imagine there's a town where a thug is robbing and killing people. Just when it looks like he is about to get caught, photos of the accuser is released, showing her involved in an affair. Would you be the person in the town square, holding up the photos, saying "Did she cheat?"

3) The Harman smear was the warning shot to ALL members of congress: Who knows who the NSA was wiretapping. We can probably find dirt on you too. Who wants to be next to have their reputation sullied with innuendo? I view that as the more serious case of blackmail/retaliation.

Anyone else notice that then-minority leaders who actually opposed much of what Bush/Cheney were doing are now "under fire"? Minority leaders who couldn't stop much while the GOP had a lock on all branches of government.

CIA dirty tricks, smears, intimidation.

Poor Pelosi, someone else lied to you....... maybe the lies about WMD in Iraq that were circulating at that time should have given you a clue.

I still don't think the Torture issue is a WIN for Republicans. "Can you please tell us when the CIA and the Bush Administration told you we were torturing prisoners? And since you can't share this with other Congressmen or the media, and we hold a majority in the Senate, have a nice day."

John:
Their argument is "we lied to you and tortured prisoners violating American law. Why didn't you object more to our crimes?"

Robby:
How much was she told? We're torturing once or twice? Was she told it was used on one prisoner 83 times? Was she informed it was widespread or was it used sparingly? Yes, she could have complained but to whom? The NYT held off on the domestic spying story for a full year to protect the Bush administration and ensure he wouldn't be embarrassed during the 2004 election.

Poor Nancy, all she wanted was the spoils of her official position, without all that nasty oversight. What's a girl to do? Methinks she put her hands over her ears and went 'LALALALALA' while the CIA was giving her a watered-down briefing.

Sins of omission, baby, sins of omission.

I'll say it 183 times if necessary. The issue is lying to Congress. As head of the House, Pelosi should demand the House investigate this. She has the power and should have the votes. If she hides behind support for creation of a Truth Commission, which requires Senate action, she is doing exactly that, hiding.

This whole thing is strange, as is how it is being covered.

Not only is there CIA blackmail and intimidation going on here -- intended to scare off Harman and Pelosi from investigating torture -- but there's a strange synergy between the rightwing pro-torture faction seeking to muddy the waters and change the subject, and the lefty bloggers who are eager as always to show that even the most liberal pols are not up to their 'high standards' and also to prove that they are 'fair and balanced'.

It's an ostentatious display of evenhandness, to the point of gullability. Gullable, as in, Dick Cheney is smugly defending TORTURE, and we're talking about some San Fran liberal who opposed the f---ign war? John Yoo advocates crushing children's testicals -- and gets hired as a columnist --, but let's spend two weeks impugning anti-war Dems because the CIA says so??

Sick and wrong, my friends. Keep your eye on the ball.

The cia displays the same lack of integrity, honesty, honor and fairness so profoundly displayed by the dipshits bush, cheney and all who tortured. These are right wingers patriot imposters even as they are traitors to this once proud country. They are only so much garbage, trash who belong in prison, or in the docks for war crimes. Stop the bullshit, and do what is necessary to sterilize this infection.

Well, I do believe her.

It is important to keep in mind that she is one of the most liberal Congresspeople and there is really NOTHING she could have done to stop the violence of the Bush administration.

This entire fiasco seems more of a charade to evade discussion of the immense success the liberal wing of the party has had in the recent months.

I do not see what the big issue is. It was not her choice to implement waterboarding and of course she was mislead and stonewalled.

Now later she is to blame for it -- I don't think so! She was not commander in chief. Blame Bush.