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Obama Admin Mimics Bush Again: White House Records Are Secret

Add another (perhaps more minor) entry to the list of ways in which the Obama administration is mimicking its predecessor on issues of transparency.

MSNBC.com reports that the Secret Service has denied the news outlet's request for the names of visitors to the White House since President Obama was sworn in. It also denied a narrower request by the good-government group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington for records of visits by coal executives.

The Obama administration -- which had promised to usher in a new era of transparency -- argues that the visitor logs are presidential records, and therefore not subject to the Freedom of Information Act. A spokesman told MSNBC.com that the White House needs to be able to hold secret meetings in certain cases "such as an elected official interviewing for an administration position or an ambassador coming for a discussion on issues that would affect international negotiations."

But these are the same arguments made by the Bush administration -- and twice rejected by a federal judge.

CREW says it will file a lawsuit today.

The Obama administration has also been accused of following in Bush's footsteps on transparency issues relating to war on terror tactics. It has fought efforts to release photographs and other information relating to the treatment of detainees, and has several times tried to have lawsuits thrown out by invoking the state secrets privilege.


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Legal commentators did, however, express the hope that the requests were denied on the narrow grounds that the applications used the word "visotors" and not the more familiar and traditional "visitors."

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This is not a good sign for Obama!

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Is it possible Obama doesn't want to release the names of persons associated with his administration out of concern that far-right lunatic fringers may hunt them down?

Why is the assumption always that it is for nefarious reasons? Because Cheney-Bushit did it, and Obama is Preseident, therefore guilt by association?

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It was suggested that the Republicans were not so smart putting together all the executive powers they did because the Dems would use them as well, and so they are.

What is really disappointing is NOT that Bush used the same arguments, but that the courts overruled them both times and Obama did it anyway. That's not stubborn, that's disrespectful of the law.

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That assumes there can only be one rationale for the action -- for which assumption there are no facts in evidence.

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Was Bush the first President to do this?

If not, then it's not really "following in Bush's footsteps."

If so, then we'll see what happens in court.

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No, he wasn't the first. Certain information has never been made public. If I'm not mistaken, this all became an issue, because of Cheney's secret meetings. He would not tell people who he was meeting with, even on official capacity. So, people took the Bush administration to get the info. The Obama administration hasn't held any "secret" meetings, where they don't disclose who they're meeting with. But, I guess that part of the equation isn't too important. It's easier to slander him as being "just like Bush" than actually digging into the facts.

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This is NOT what I voted for . . . .

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You shouldn't be so shocked.

During the primaries, Chris Dodd was the only candidate actually talking about rolling back Bush's expansion of Executive powers.

Obama never promised to roll them back and neither did Hillary.


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Our elected officials, the president and congresspersons, have failed to come to grips with the extent government has failed this country. Oversight is all but non-existent. It has become a necessity that the press and citizens keep tabs on what our officials are doing.

For this reason its entirely proper that citizens have access to what they are doing. If they weren't screwing up so much this wouldn't be such a big deal. That not being the case its a very big deal.

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I think the "screwing up" and the lack of oversight are causally related.

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Ya think???

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I just sent a message to the WH expressing this point of view. Usually doesn't do much good but if enough people get on our public officials maybe they'll get the message. I know if we stay silent they'll screw up for sure. They're like kids. If we don't keep a watch on them they'll fall in the pool and drown and take us along with them.

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Knowing who visits the White House is important because? Seriously, I'd like to know why this is important?

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Me too. Call me ignorant but is this a big deal. I am sure of one thing, if the court's made Bush turn over the records, they will make Obama do the same. In 6 months who could possibly have been at the White House that is a problem.

I think this is much ado about nothing or CREW just testing the WH

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This argument goes both ways. If it is so unimportant, why is Bush (my bad, make that Obama) trying to keep who he is meeting with such a secret?

Secrecy is usually used to try to hide something which will hurt you if it is found out, not for something inconsequential.
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remedial reading assignment of the day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_government

and please acquaint yourself with the information available at the 'see also' links on that page.

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more change we can believe in.


sure i am a big critic.

you think the corrupt government will ever do whats right without pressure??

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I refer to that obligation a 'citizenship'. A tough job but...

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Why is it important to see the White House log?

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Ask MSNBC, they requested logs from everything WH related for the entire time President Obama has been there. Looks like a very grand fishing expedition.

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Personally, I am angry about these things. BUT, I live in Hyde Park and having followed Obama's rise since the nineties. I am simply not ready to distrust him and know better than to underestimate his intellect.

The way I see it, Obama is forcing us to protest him and to file lawsuits against some of these continuing iffy discretionary decisions that were perpetrated by the Bush administration. i see this as potentially establishing two goals:

First, it refreshes grievances and lawsuits against his administration on key issues, even minor and seemingly inocuous ones like this, versus just continuing to press the old complaints filed under the Bush years, which, on their face, may appear partisan. This keeps complaints current and not subject to statutes of limitations, deadlines or as having faded from the collective public memory. It also legally demonstrates that complaints/laws are not partisan and that they apply to a Democratic administration as well as the previous Republican one.

Second, Obama must know that the protests against a Democratic president continuing these policies, by his own supporters, will be much more vociferous and angry (and newsworthy) as they were when leveled at the Bush administration. People expected Bush to be that way, but they do not expect this from the leader of their own party. The media won't ignore that. Look at the increasing media coverage of the DOMA brief.

This will essentially force Obama's hand to reverse course and in doing so he will demonstrate that he is beholden to the law, and that, unlike his predecessor, he listens to people. It also brings these issues into the mainstream and forces public refelction, commentary and protest.

The way I see it, Obama can, at will, satisfy his base. All he has to do is simply reverse course on any of the issues where progressives are protesting. We are not an unreasonable bunch. We just want what's right. He's not an idiot and knows that full well. Moreover, he's demonstrated that he has no fear of apologizing in public. This is calculated. Some see it as weakness, but I see it as establishing precedent for humility and strength of character.

Does anyone think for one second that if tomorrow he decides to reverse his position on issues of transparency like this or DADT, for example, that Progressive activists won't herald and commend him because, upon reflection he did the legal and right thing?

Plus, he will have done so explicitly BECAUSE of the fact that Progressives angrily dissented in lawful and organized protest thereby strengthening the cause of their respective organizations.

Protest away! Disown him, curse his every decision. I'm with you! And, it's what he wants.

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I think you have a point here, 60th, and I kind of like your tack. It allows us to continue to protest, and regardless of his alterior motives, we protest, which is what we should be doing, IMHO.

This is the same way I view global warming. Regardless of whether the planet is warming or not, if we take steps that might dminish the impact, we get a cleaner planet and that, in and of itself, is cause enough for me. It will do no harm to have a cleaner planet.

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Be careful of trolls

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And I am a troll, how, exactly, tpc? Because you don't buy that Obama is from my neighborhood or because I trust him to do the right thing?

Or, is it because I was able to craft a more thoughtful argument than "They're like kids. If we don't keep a watch on them they'll fall in the pool and drown and take us along with them."?

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Another rollback from our "transparent administration" President.

I am now so disillusioned with Obama
that when he appears on TV I get the same negative feeling I get when Cheney or Bush appear.

Looking back on the Obama/McCain race I can now see I was going to lose with whoever won, it was simply a matter of degree.

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Yawnnnnnnnnnn

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Just another scenario which shows what will eventually happen when those in power slowly (or rapidly in some cases) begin to get more power.

We all need to just accept that secrecy, torture, unneeded wars, innocent folks dying... all will become more acceptable and common in the near future... since voters and common folks are no longer that important to the REAL important people... sitting in power, deciding what is best for them, without pondering if it is also destroying this once great nation... IMHO

BTW: It will not matter one bit if it happens to be a Republican or a Democrat in power when it's all over, since BOTH parties are hoping to be the winner...

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The way I see it, the Obama administration is continuing some things that Bush was doing simply because he hasn't had a chance to deal with them the way he would like. Groups like the ACLU and CREW have been pushing on a variety of issues long before Obama took over at the White House and a lot of it was in process and came to a head before Obama and his team were ready to deal with it. Being the cautious fellow that he is, and given he didn't have time to thoroughly review this stuff, and given that a judge was tapping his foot waiting for a response, Obama did the cautious thing and continued with whatever position the Bush administration handed him.

In other words, the decision tree is like this:

Big pile of crap lands on us in court -> have we had time to review it? No? -> Do whatever Bush was doing until we can sort it out.

I'm willing to cut Obama slack for a bit longer. At a certain point, however, he's gonna own this stuff and I expect him to keep his campaign promises.

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Every time Obama agrees to continue any Bush Administration policy, he owns it.

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Every time Obama perpetuates anti-democratic or illegal Bush behavior he inflicts far greater damage to the democratic foundations of this country then Bush ever could. Almost everyone understands that Bush was a buffoon. His actions could be dismissed, minimized, or trivialized. Obama is no such fool. His illegal or anti-democratic actions solidify the erosion initiated under Bush.

It is not the action that undermines our democratic institutions, it is THE RESPONSE to the actions.

To think I had the audacity to hope that Obama would practice what he preached.

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Troubling!

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These are the type of articles I hate. They make it seem like Bush was the FIRST person to do something and then Obama is following right in his footsteps when that is FAR from the case of being true. I understand where the O team is coming from, regular folks wouldn't mind a look see though.

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did you dislike these articles as much when they were about bush??

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This has not been the only troubling indicator.There has been others.Don't forget anyone who would call GWBush to get feedback ought to make you think twice.(Obama has said he has spoken to Bush several timesa since Bush left office)

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Obama has said he has spoken to Bush several timesa since Bush left office...

Of course... when crooks and cronies and those attempting to weld power they tend to consult with others who do likewise.

Heaven forbid any control actually gets away and ends up in the masses... no telling WHAT damage they will do with it. After all, they are just commoners in need of continual structure, guidance and control. they're too dumb to actually discipline themselves. The proof: Just look at how they continue to ask the mobsters to take control.. to protect them from the OTHER mobsters... IMHO

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60th Street-- Your optimism is optimistic, but what you propose requires a double bank shot to hit the corner pocket. The visitor log seems like such a low-rent issue on which to take a defiant stand. Especially since it has already been settled for GWB. Maybe Obama is trying to rile up his base to get us to FORCE him to do the right thing/s. Supposedly FDR explicitly made such a challenge to progressives right after he was elected.

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Jeff Gannon sighting? Obama's on the down low?

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