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Sanford To Lover: "I Love The Erotic Beauty Of You Holding Yourself"
We got the feeling from his press conference that things weren't quite resolved between Mark Sanford and his Argentina-based lover. Now The State has published emails the pair sent each other last year -- and they definitely reinforce that impression.
The conservative Republican waxes eloquent, telling his lover Maria, among other things:
I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curve of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of the night's light...
Reading these intensely personal communications, it's hard not to feel some sympathy for the human beings involved. But that doesn't mean they don't make good reading.
Reports that the paper had been working on this story for a while were on the mark. The paper says it got the emails in December.
Full email text after the jump:
From Gov. Sanford, Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 12:24 a.m.One, tomorrow leave at 5 a.m. for New York and meetings. Will think about you on its streets and wish I was going to be there later in the month when you are there. Tomorrow night back to Philadelphia for the start of the National Governor's Conference through the weekend. Back to Columbia for Tuesday and then on Wednesday, as I think I had told you, taking the family to China, Tibet, Nepal, India, Thailand and then back through Hong Kong on world wind tour. Few days home then to Bahamas for 5 days on a friend's boat for the last break of the summer. The following weekend have been asked to spend it out in Aspen, Colorado with McCain - which has kicked up the whole VP talk all over again in the press back home ...
Two, mutual feelings .... You have a particular grace and calm that I adore. You have a level of sophistication that so fitting with your beauty. I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curve of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of the night's light - but hey, that would be going into sexual details ...
Three and finally, while all the things above are all too true - at the same time we are in a hopelessly - or as you put it impossible - or how about combine and simply say hopelessly impossible situation of love. How in the world this lightening strike snuck up on us I am still not quite sure. As I have said to you before I certainly had a special feeling about you from the first time we met, but these feelings were contained and I genuinely enjoyed our special friendship and the comparing of all too many personal notes ...
Lastly I also suspect I feel a little vulnerable because this is ground I have never certainly never covered before - so if you have pearls of wisdom on how we figure all this out please let me know... In the meantime please sleep soundly knowing that despite the best efforts of my head my heart cries out for you, your voice, your body, the touch of your lips, the touch of your finger tips and an even deeper connection to your soul.
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From Maria,
Wednesday, July 9, 2008 8:14 p.m.As I told you I shouldn't have done this trip but I would have felt worst if I wouldn't have come because it was too over the date, he is a very nice guy, great heart ... but unfortunately I am not in love with him ... You are my love ... something hard to believe even for myself as it's also a kind of impossible love, not only because of distance but situation. Sometimes you don't choose things, they just happen... I can't redirect my feelings and I am very happy with mine towards you.
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From Gov. Sanford,
Tuesday, July 8, 1:42 a.m.Got back an hour ago to civilization and am now in Columbia after what was for me a glorious break from reality down at the farm. No phones ringing and tangible evidence of a day's labors. Though I have started every day by 6 this morning woke at 4:30, I guess since my body knew it was the last day, and I went out and ran the excavator with lights until the sun came up. To me, and I suspect no one else on earth, there is something wonderful about listening to country music playing in the cab, air conditioner running, the hum of a huge diesel engine in the back ground, the tranquillity that comes with being in a virtual wilderness of trees and marsh, the day breaking and vibrant pink coming alive in the morning clouds - and getting to build something with each scoop of dirt.













MARIAAAAA, Mark just met a girl named MARIA
and suddenly the name,
will never be the same to him...
MARIAAAAA, Mark just kissed a girl named MARIA
and suddenly he found,
how wonderful a &@#% can be!
June 24, 2009 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a sicko. Notice the dates. This affair went on for a while. And all the while he was leading the RGA and praying on C-Street.
June 24, 2009 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
If SC newspaper The State got the emails way back in December, how come they sat on them until now???
June 24, 2009 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent question. Not sure if I've read why they waited so long. Maybe they wanted to wait for accuracy or maybe they didn't really care. Whatever it was, without blogs this story would not have broke. There's no way. It was blogs that put the pressure on Sanford and his staff for a week wanting to know what was going on. And then finally when the Gov comes clean a newspaper with all the evidence in the world decides to do a story. Interesting.
June 24, 2009 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard someone say that they had not been verified!!!!!
June 25, 2009 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just more evidence Republicans have no idea how the Internet and electronic communications work. Emails? They stick around! People can nail you with them. Texting, chat, and instant messaging? Ditto! Twitter? Everyone in the world can read it!
Not to diminish the personal and profesional/political wrongs, the hypocrisy, etc., but I think it's sad how out of touch these people are. Sanford even whined about the bubble in his presser-confessor.
They do need to get out more.
June 24, 2009 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Twitter? Hell, it goes all the way back to Ollie North and his IBM-PROFS emails in the '80s, when he learned that "delete" doesn't really mean what he thought it did.
June 24, 2009 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's right! I'd forgotten about Ollie! Sheesh.
I also meant to note, on the subject of needing-to-get-out-more, it is really kind of sad and pathetic what passes for romantic or sexy with the conservatives. I am thinking about how the young guys were laughing behind Foley's back at the messages he was sending, or O'Reilly's weird ramblings about whatever with the falafel (he meant loofah I think) in the shower or the immature descriptions of sex in his "novel." And what's-his-name from Idaho with the airport toilet sex sting kerfuffle.
It's pitiful. And that people with such narrow experiences and worldviews wind up in positions of power is just beyond me.
June 24, 2009 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was thinking of the lyric, "how do you solve a problem like Maria."
Which is followed by, "how do you hold a moonbeam in your hand."
June 24, 2009 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this whole story is a red herring.
Does Iran have a diplomatic mission in Argentina? Howabout nearby Uruguay or Paraguay?
Game theory teaches us that extremist will cooperate to undermine moderates.
The best example of this is that Rabin was killed by an Israeli Jewish extremist.
This week we also seeing it happening in regard to Iran: Neocons are extremist, they don't want the moderates to succeed in Iran because it negates their premise, so they've been advocating that the President should attempt to make the Iran protest all about America in order to undermine it.
Recall, Reaganites had no problem cutting deals way back when.
Neocons and Iranian Clerics are long time extremist associates.
Given, this all sounds strange. But so does the cover of a Argintine girl friend, whom he just broke up with... (how often has he seen here, and where?).
If the Neocons wanted to lay down an underground net work to the Iranian Clerics, they'd have to contact them some way, and they'd have to do it with someone who had some rank. Bolton or Wolfowitz are flunkies, they'd have to send some one with a real job. Perhaps a governor.
Paranoid? yes. But this is the game of power politics. Extremists on the opposite sides are often allies agianst the moderates.
This Argentine affair is so strange that it might just be a red herring. Giving the timing, it's a fair question.
If Iran's government falls, then the whole neocon premise is wiped out. There's motive on both sides for cooperation.
June 24, 2009 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure I buy the Sanford connection, but you sure do introduce a whole new angle to John McCain and Lindsay Graham goading Obama to take a stronger, and diplomatically unwise stand on the Iranian election.
June 24, 2009 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the song my husband sings to me all the time (smile)
June 25, 2009 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is frankly embarrassing to read. I wish the press, including TPM would stop revealing personal communications like this. I don't see any benefit to revealing it, other than to cause extreme pain to the spouses involved - it appears that Maria is also married.
June 24, 2009 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I felt uncomfortable reading this right when he said "This impossible love" I am leaving this one alone, you can tell this one hits home he really was......I am done now.
June 24, 2009 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I don't find anything newsworthy in the email, and indeed am repulsed by the prurient enjoyment expressed by those who pass them along and those who comment, I have to clarify that the AUTHOR of the email is the one who caused pain to two spouses. Don't blame the messenger for that.
June 24, 2009 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do agree with you to a certain extent - they make me uncomfortable and I did not read all. I certainly would not like anything I wrote like this to be made public.
OTOH - this is a man who has made his career on being pro-"family values". I believe that sunlight has a certain disinfecting property on hypocrisy.
June 24, 2009 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the weasel who was trying to refuse stimulus money to help the neediest in his state in order to position himself for a run at the presidency.
His wife had no problem with that behavior.
If she is more upset by the fact that people know about his behavior than the behavior itself then she deserves the pain.
June 24, 2009 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, you don't know the relative depths of her upsetness, so don't pretend you do.
"...she deserves the pain."
FUCK YOU
June 24, 2009 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, whatever. His wife isn't involved with his job decisions. And even if she did, she wouldn't deserve this.
Give me a fucking break.
June 24, 2009 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If she is more upset by the fact that people know about his behavior than the behavior itself then she deserves the pain."
After the milk is spilled, does she really have any choice about the milk getting spilled? Rhetorical question, no, no she doesn't.
Is she going to be excited about her private business (remember, SHE didn't do this) being spread all over the workd? Once again, for anybody with half a brain, a rhetorical question. No, she's not.
Any questions? Once again, a rhetorical question. I thought not.
June 25, 2009 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, but any guy willing to leave his wife and four kids for selfish reasons is difficult for me to take pity on. I didn't read the e-mails (yet), but their being published doesn't bother me in the least.
June 24, 2009 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right wing spin on this WAS "he came forward, he confessed his sins, he showed courage etc". Turns out he barely beat it to headlines, it's just more hypocrisy.
June 24, 2009 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but you seem to be forgetting his outspoken positions on other people's morality while conducting himself so shamefully. Why should his personal feelings be spared any more than the people who's lives he has hurt? He's a piece of shit and your moral indignation won't change the facts.
June 24, 2009 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agree completely. These are personal emails sent from a personal account on subjects that break no laws and are no one's business.
And they certainly don't make "good reading."
All this BS is going to do is create a backlash in the public. No decent person thinks it's OK to publish these emails.
June 24, 2009 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you are overestimating the "public." Backlash for releasing this stuff? You have to be kidding!
June 24, 2009 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You all knew, every last one of you before you perused, that it would be awkward, and you did it anyway.
If you can't handle the guilt that follows cheap thrills, avoid the thrills. It's like this: lava hot and fire burns. Don't want to see porn? Then do not purchase Hustler or Penthouse, and whatever you do, do not surf the net.
Furthermore, as I posted on my blog here at TPM and as others have said in this thread: he's a rank hypocrite.
Two things:
1) He's getting exactly what he deserves; and IMO, considerably less. Because this is exactly the kind of male who would be quite comfortable with, or even seek to impose, a United States of Theocracy. Don't lose sight of that.
2) Don't be like him, enjoying secret thrills while moralizing. The fact is: it's soft-core porn, you knew it before you read it, and you read it anyway. You guilty little baddy.
Dudes! Mark Sanford is a Ginormous, Fornicating, Last Place Finisher who had and exercised ideology-based power, real power, to the detriment of human welfare; and look what he did while having that power.
He deserves to be scorned and publically humiliated.
And his lover? Please. She was an adult. There's no innocent flower, trampled in the bull-lust of a masher, over there.
June 24, 2009 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had to read the emails to convince myself that his dear friend was indeed female.
June 24, 2009 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have zero issues with these being published. One weighs whether to roll with them on a case by case basis.
Sanford has made Family Values a key issue of his political career. Go back and find his positions in the House during the Clinton Impeachment.
Guys like David Vitter haven't been shamed out of the Senate. He cops a public plea, lays low and moves on with his career.
Sanford no doubt hoped to do the same.
This is another nail in his hypocritical coffin.
I don't have sympathy for either he or "Maria", and they are the authors of the e-mails.
I do have some for Mrs. Sanford. But I don't see these e-mails as doing any harm to her. Unless she's the source for them (which makes some sense), then frankly she needs to see these rather than have Sanford continuing to lie to her like he has to the rest of the public.
John
June 24, 2009 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I TOTALLY agree! Jenny Sanford needs to see the content of those e-mails to learn EXACTLY how her husband felt about Maria in order to make a well-informed decision about their future as a family.
And, by the way, all the respect I had for Jenny Sanford yesterday for not showing up to "stand by her man" while he pouted and described his "unfaithfulness" has vanished after I heard this morning that she is willing to forgive him if he repents and uses this incident to "strengthen their marriage".
She sounds like a perfect alumni of the Ensign-Hamptom School of Marital Bliss.
WHAT IS IT WITH THESE BRAIN-WASHED STEPFORD WIVES?
Paging Dr. Phil....
June 25, 2009 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think publishing the emails is not necessary and makes me uncomfortable. It may be OK to have a reporter read them and provide excerpts if there is something newsworthy in them, but publishing private, personal emails is unseemly.
June 24, 2009 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. The affair is now public; we can imagine the details, we don't need them dangled in our faces. The details themselves aren't important. That he was living a lie and was heavily involved in national politics while doing so is really all it's necessary for the public to know.
Publishing those e-mails adds nothing that should be of public concern, and will likely add hurt to a number of innocent people.
How did the paper come into possession of those e-mails, anyway?
June 24, 2009 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I should add that if the guy was using his state e-mail account, then all bets are off -- he himself put them into public domain if that is the case.
June 24, 2009 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
June 25, 2009 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
So the affair became serious only 5 months ago, but he's writing this a year ago?
Still lying...
June 24, 2009 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The wife only knew about it 5 months ago.
That's when it became serious. As in, a serious problem.
June 24, 2009 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently Politico is going to break a story that Sanford used taxpayer money to travel to see his mistress.
Check it out here.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=1926
June 24, 2009 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with those that feel these emails are far too personal. It's pretty tacky to post them on TPM.
June 25, 2009 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mark Sanford is a terrible governor, and should not have cheated on his wife. That said, I would not publish these e-mails, even if they are available elsewhere. They add nothing of substance to what is publicly known and only serve to embarrass him and hurt his family.
June 24, 2009 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've got to agree. Nothing is gained from publishing personal communication like this. We need a lot less of this kind of detail in the press, whether it's about politicians or any other celebrity.
I mean, if the Falafel Thing didn't sink Bill O'Reilly and toe-tapping didn't sink Larry Craig, the relatively modest hypocrisy of a supposed family-values advocate having an affair can't make a dent in Republican self-righteousness and moral bullying.
June 24, 2009 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maria you know you're my loverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. WHen the wind blows I can feel youuuuuu throughhh the weather. And even though we are appaaarrrtttttt, it still feels like we're together MARIAAAAAAAAA!!!He went IN!
June 24, 2009 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, to be in wilderness, encased in a glass cage with air conditioning and country music, tearing it all the fuck up.
June 24, 2009 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
My thoughts exactly! Shattering the predawn traquility with the low roar of a diesel engine while hermetically sealed in an air conditioned cab tearing up the pristine wildnerness listening to country music...Pathetic. Thinking that it will impress a paramour...Priceless!!
June 24, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ewww. Republicans in love. You ought to have a warning about this.
I might feel some sympathy, except that because of Gov. Sanford and others of his ilk, many of my fellow citizens are not allowed to take the vows that he has violated.
As you sow, so shall you reap. Mark Sanford, you have been sowing the seeds of sexual repression and degradation your entire professional life.
Cosmic karma just bit ya, dude, big time.
June 24, 2009 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the emails SHOULD be published since they obviously contradict his statements made earlier today.
If the emails only corroborated what he said, then keep them private. Otherwise, let 'er rip.
And that's exactly what the journos are doing.
I'm curious to know who's giving out his emails, flight info, etc. Since the emails are private, I'd guess the only person who could do it legally would be his wife. Ditto the flight info.
June 24, 2009 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
They should also be published because they show he has been truly in love. That's a whole lot better than if he'd just been cheating for sex alone. Doesn't make it good, but tempers the crime.
June 24, 2009 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Language lifted from a bad romance novel convinces you that he was in love? And so what if he was? He was a married man! Look, I'm pretty liberal, but there are some things on which I will not bend. If he loved this woman so much, have the decency to divorce your wife. Don't cheat, dude.
June 24, 2009 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't cheat, dude.
But then he'd have to give up his political career!
June 25, 2009 7:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
yes, it's karma for these guys....but the voyeurism is a little out-of-control...people just like to watch other people fall...it helps them ignore the stuff they're doing in their own lives that they don't want others to know about.
Call him out on his B.S....but no need to publish the emails, IMO..
kiva
June 24, 2009 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
did he use a government computer for this?
that might explain how they got the emails.
scoop the dirt??? just what every girl wants to hear...
June 24, 2009 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
To all of you complaining about the emails being printed, did you not see the presser? Sanford went on and on (and on...) in great detail about this dear dear wonderful woman..... blah blah blah.
In fact, the reporters tried to get him to stop, and he insisted on continuing with the sordid details of the meeting and the growing relationship.
The emails are simply more of the same, except they show he's still lying.
He'll be gone by Saturday and The State just won a Pulitzer.
June 24, 2009 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think the attempts at a reconciliation with his wife will work out in the end. The reason is because it seems like Gov. Sanford is deeply in love with this woman Maria. It is no good and his wife, I think, will come to realize that.
Unlike Josh, I can not feel any pity for this man. He presented himself as a man with superior morals to others. He is a hypocrite.
June 24, 2009 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I almost wonder if his wife forced this all out in the open to make him dump the other woman.
June 24, 2009 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with other commenters. We could do without the e-mails between the two. It's disappointing that The State, which has done yeoman's work thus far, has decided to publish these. It's one thing to go after the facts that he's a liar, that he's a hypocrite, and that he may be facing ethical issues related to Argentina travel, but there is something decidedly cheap & locker room-ish about this aspect of it.
June 24, 2009 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sanford said he spent “five days of my life crying in Argentina,”
He paraphrases wrongly a TIM RICE LYRIC. Tim freakin' Rice one of the worst lyricist ever. Mark Sanford just another Republican phony. What they say the believe and what they do are polar opposites.
I CRIED A LOT ARGENTINA
THE TRUTH IS I'D LOVE TO F**K YOU.
ALL THE EXOTICS
AND THE NARCOTICS.
I LOVE RESISTANCE.
I LOVE PERSISTENCE.
From Markita: the tackiest Republican Musical of the Week.
Suck it up Larry Craig!
June 24, 2009 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agree that the e-mails shouldn't have been published but that's not how it works today. But the e-mails have a certain dignity about them, a certain honest agony. Love happens even to right wingers.
June 24, 2009 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Love does what it does. It's a flower one day, and a wrecking ball another.
June 24, 2009 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not that it matters much, but Sanford claims the affair began six months ago, but the emails are a year old.
June 24, 2009 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree with those who feel that it's wrong to publish Sanford's e-mails. First, he sent them through the taxpayer-sponsored state system. But more importantly, rubbing this in the face of the sanctimonious and hypocritical Republicans is an essential part of bringing their miserable party down. They are the self-appointed moral scolds who have taken advantage of a bogus "family values" platform to win elections and set this nation on a dangerous course. They need to be exposed, embarrassed, and humiliated. I have no interest in perusing every sordid detail of this affair-- but I want to see it used as a club to beat up on the GOP.
June 24, 2009 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agree. They need to be exposed for talking about protecting family values and at the same time having something extra going on the side that puts their own family at risk. Sanford is just another powerful man having his cake and eating it too.
It appears to me that Sanford was informed by the newspaper today that this story and emails were coming out, or he probably still would be trying to cover it all up.
June 24, 2009 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
If he'd had any dignity left...if he cared about the family he's about to piss away, he'd have announced his resignation at the podium today. Evidently not.
June 24, 2009 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
While not resigning, he stepped down from chairing the RGA. Isn't that punishment and humiliation enough? (contains 100% unadulterated sarcasm)
June 24, 2009 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hah! At least he knows one losing situation, and can run away from it. I've said it before and I'll say it again: He DID NOT GET THAT TAN IN ARGENTINA IN WINTER!
Where did he and Maria go? Don't know, but it was sunny and warm.
June 24, 2009 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the emails definitely need to be published. I hate Republicans posing as morally superior. A little humiliation is in order.
June 24, 2009 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree his emails should be published
June 24, 2009 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a scumbag Sanford is what a father he is.
June 24, 2009 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why do these emails contradict what he said in the presser?? (per several comments above)
Another thing I can't figure out is that his wife stayed with him for close to 5 months BEFORE he actually broke it off? So she let him continue on with the affair without leaving him?? Of course, these things are all deeply personal and I'm confident the blogosphere is not the best place to hash them out. : )
June 24, 2009 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
because in the press conference he claimed the affair started five months ago, yet the emails are a year old.
pretty straightforward LYING phony-family-values Republican hypocrite, the very kind of sadistic jerk who persecutes other people for the exact behavior he, himself, participates in (hey, Hitler was part-Jewish).
should the emails be published? HELL, put them on billboards, sky writing, full-page newspaper ads!!!!!!!
June 24, 2009 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
why should any one care if these are published?
he didnt mind writing them on a public computer supposedly.
he didnt pounding on clinton.
you reap what you sow. for a good old boy farmer who likes scoops of dirt this dirt is a fitting result
actually i skimmed through them. dont think byron is rolling over in his grave worried about this guys writing talent.
June 24, 2009 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say that Sanford will reap the whirlwind for his actions, but he apparently thinks it's "world wind."
June 24, 2009 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hah! Yeah, I noticed that, too.
June 24, 2009 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
eggcorn
June 25, 2009 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
All this hand-wringing about publishing these "private" emails begs the question: Were they sent from a PRIVATE email account, or was he stupid enough to send them from his government account. As my employer made me painfully aware, all computer systems are property of the company, and can be read & recorded at their discretion (a policy that business-friendly Republicans have fought hard to bring about).
As far as all this deep, heart-felt concern over his children and family, where was HIS concern was he started an affair with a married woman? If he doesn't care about the public shame brought upon his children, his wife, his mistress' children and husband, why should we? Look folks, I suffered through 8 years of Monicagate, DNA on dresses and cigar jokes. You're not going to deny me my schadenfreude now!!!
June 24, 2009 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because we have a grain of humanity, or at least I hope that we do. None of those people asked for this, especially the kids.
June 24, 2009 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
NOBODY cared about Chelsea Clinton when Newt Gingrich and his gang made fodder of her father's affair with Monica Lewinsky.
And please, let us not forget, that we were all privy to the tapes of all the PRIVATE phone conversations between Monica and Linda Tripp as well as informed in full detail about each one of her encounters with Clinton in the White House.
Chelsea was an adolescent then but NOBODY cared about HER feelings.
And please note that neither Clinton, nor Edwards nor Spitzer ever tried to sell themselves as squeaky clean conservative holier-than-thou family men, That is much more than we can say about Gingrich, Foley, Vitter, Ensign and Sanford.
June 25, 2009 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
" If he doesn't care about the public shame brought upon his children, his wife, his mistress' children and husband, why should we?"
and this, it seems, is what with wrong with human relations and politics today. It is what us progressive / lib's are accused of constantly. That we have no 'higher standards' or morals / values. F*ck me? Well F*ck them!
an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind....
June 24, 2009 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh lord, the things a guy will write to get a little cooz! What a mewling puking smazrmy adolescent this Sanford is. And at the same time, too scared of convention to do anything but endorse publicly the most conventional morality.
And between you and me, it does matter. I don't care what a guy does to a girlfriend, but once he gets married, he has taken on obligations, made promises before God, the public, the state, and parents. If he made those promises and those agreements only to break them gratuitously, what won't he do? If that's what his word means to his family, what can his constituents expect?
June 24, 2009 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a bit disappointed that TPM is giving this story so much press. Please stick to the political implications of the Governor's behavior, and stop sounding like the National Inquirer. It's embarassing and frankly, quite sad.
June 24, 2009 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can forgive him almost anything but not his writing. That is beyond the frozen limit.
Not to mention his discretion. A real genius, this one.
June 24, 2009 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, maybe his wife doesn't understand him. But Christ, I have it much worse; my wife does understand me! She has, on many occasions, revealed myself to me in the most unflattering yet undeniable light. But do I stray? Hell no!
Of course, about a year after I got married, I found out what happened to her first husband.
Shows what I know; I didn't know she had one, and I didn't know anybody could survive a bullet wound that close to the femoral artery.
June 24, 2009 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've read these e-mails, and really can't see how they impact on the issue of public option in health care reform.
I wonder if Zachary was in a smoking jacket and goofy bow-tie when typing up this piece. Because it is so very....Millbankian.
June 24, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Millbankian." Brilliant. I'm going to use that.
June 24, 2009 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most Republicans are boob men. ("...the erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of the night's light...").
Has to do with mommie issues, probably.
June 24, 2009 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or it may just be that they like nice boobs. I think that probably cuts across political lines. I'll be the last one to hammer him for that.
June 24, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, sometimes a boob is just a boob.
June 24, 2009 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
It sounds like something Jackie Collins would write. Seriously, it does.
I never knew republicans had such hot sex.
June 24, 2009 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"WORLD wind???"
I can forgive the indiscretion, Governor. It seems almost endemic to right-wing Republicans. But at least get the phrasing right!
June 24, 2009 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
this.
June 24, 2009 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not reading these either. The one excerpt was enough.
But I don't care that they're published. Sorry. Dinks like Sanford bitch and moan on and on about how giving gays the right to marry would tarnish and destroy the sanctity of marriage. These help illustrate how they REALLY feel about it.
He fell in love, she turned him on. I'm not going to judge him for that. Good for him. But if you think marriage is such a high, holy institution then ACT THAT WAY!
June 24, 2009 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I'm a bit disappointed that TPM is giving this story so much press."
grits
You've walked in those moccasins too, grits?
June 24, 2009 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
TPM, this is below you. You get mad when the WH press corps gets sidetracked by shiny toys and you are doing the same thing.
June 24, 2009 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
"To me, and I suspect no one else on earth, there is something wonderful about listening to country music playing in the cab, air conditioner running, the hum of a huge diesel engine in the back ground, the tranquillity that comes with being in a virtual wilderness of trees and marsh, the day breaking and vibrant pink coming alive in the morning clouds - and getting to build something with each scoop of dirt."
He may not be a gentleman, but does the air conditioner part make him a Gentleman Farmer?
June 24, 2009 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe said before, but what fool writes this in an email? These are the times and thoughts best left to snail mail.
June 24, 2009 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but then the federal gov't would make money off the stamps and we can't have that, can we?
June 24, 2009 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Snail mail? You can't write this kind of stuff on paper. That would leave evidence!
June 24, 2009 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember, this is a guy who thinks gay marriage and even civil unions can destroy "traditional" marriage.
It's not about illicit sex.
June 24, 2009 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agree that publishing the actual emails is cruel and unnecessary.
Of course I read them, though. Evidence if any is needed that love-letters ought to be left to the poets--"this lightening strike snuck up on us"? Their love is not the only thing that's "hopeless," LOL.
June 24, 2009 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
the faded glow. yeah. right.
June 24, 2009 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
so, depending on how you read certain "parts" of these love sonnets, it's still not totally clear to me whether we're talking XX or XY chromosomes. unimportant except for the recent rampant hypocrisy.
June 24, 2009 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it Sanford's fault if his girlfriend has a penis?
June 24, 2009 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree! I can think of two other "magnificent parts" that might be held.
June 26, 2009 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ewww! Just ewww!
June 24, 2009 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sanford is obviously a confused and distraught person. whatever his record, despite the fact that he's said some truly idiotic and counterproductive things in the public square, neither he nor this woman (who's identity will almost certainly inevitably be made public) deserve to have their private correspondence made public in such a way. i'm all for Republicans showing off an institutional hypocrisy on "moral values", but leave the guy alone.
i've not said this before, but shame on TPM for publishing this. this isn't news. your organization is better than gloating over someone's personal torment.
June 24, 2009 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a fair expection that someone who works FOR THE PEOPLE and is paid BY THE PEOPLE, who is in the PUBLIC EYE and espouses FAMILY VALUES and who is in a position to write laws based, in part, on his own moral and ethical beliefs is not galavanting around the world sightseeing and having affairs with bodacious women ON OUR DIME!
June 24, 2009 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well-said!
June 24, 2009 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yesssssss, what the Walrus said. Right on the head of the nail. Thank you!
June 24, 2009 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
right, so elected figures aren't allowed to experience human difficulties in private. nice attempt at a justification. isn't this exactly the kind of thing Democrats are still bitter over the Ken Starr investigations for: dragging every unseemly, explicit bit of information out of the proceedings despite it's irrelevance to the charge; which in this case, at most, is hypocrisy [marital infidelity being entirely between this man and his wife])?
if he did all of these things at public expense it's only a slightly different story, as all you then have is a governor wasting taxpayer money on personal interests, which is hardly new or unique to Republicans.
it's nearly as flimsy as the idea that it isn't out of line to print these e-mails because they were written from a government account; because letters written by a governor to, say, his wife are public property because he wrote them on government stationary.
in short: grow up, and try to cultivate some basic human decency.
June 24, 2009 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
A cigarette that bears a lipstick's traces,
An airline ticket to romantic places,
And still my heart has wings...
These foolish things remind me of you.
June 24, 2009 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Count me with the "shouldn't have been published" crowd. I have various reasons (which I'm sure no one will be interested in hearing) for thinking that 0% journalistic discretion is as bad a problem as 100% journalistic co-option.
But all that aside, where did these e-mails come from and how were they obtained? I know that if they really were from his work addresses there would be legal channels that would allow them to be subpoenaed, etc., but I don't see anything about that here or in the links. (Maybe I missed something.)
And if they're from a private account, and if the Other Woman didn't leak them, then it starts looking sketchy as hell. I'm aware that there are 17-year-olds out there who can probably read my Yahoo mail any time they want, to say nothing of private investigators and the NSA and whatnot, but it's a good thing that it's illegal for them to do it, and that I can sue them if they print it. (And yes, public figures are public figures, but that doesn't mean the anti-hacking laws shouldn't protect them.) I suspect The State has some legal insulation here if someone else did the dirty work without being asked, but journalists should still hold to an incredibly high standard of public need-to-know before publishing illegally obtained private documents. I don't think Sanford's epistolary lovemaking style comes anywhere near that.
As far as I can see, all the political justifications in the world ("but he's a hypocrite!") don't warrant weakening what privacy protections we have in that regard. The hell with what might leak out from some Democratic politician's computer someday, I'm jealous of my OWN privacy.
June 24, 2009 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, if you want to build sympathy and support for Sanford, continue publishing intrusive and intimate imformation like this. This sort of prurient snooping reminds me of Ken Starr, that dirty old man.
June 24, 2009 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think that's going to happen.
June 24, 2009 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Backlash, here we come.
June 24, 2009 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shit those emails are written by someone who reads Barbara Cartland and watches All My Children. BLECH.
June 24, 2009 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Exploring the Appalachian Trail"?
I wonder if he penetrated the wooded area?
June 24, 2009 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
This guy deserves no sympathy whatsoever. It's one thing to engage in a little harmless e-mail flirtation but this little prick went way out of his way to cheat. Fucking Argentina!! Is he serious? That's gotta be some kind of record. I'm as liberal and anti-religious as they come and I managed to stay married 30 plus years without cheating. Never indulged in e-mail flirting either for that matter. Doesn't make me holier than anyone. Except maybe this guy.
June 24, 2009 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, that settles it. A n of one is enough data for me.
Amazing that people want to take their own experience and plaster everybody with it. It is possible, you know, that your experience / perception is misguided and motivated by your own dysfunctional B.S.
Rip the guy for being a hypocrite. Expose him completely. The emails are just retribution for ken starr, etc and liberals getting their rocks off.
again, eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind.
June 25, 2009 3:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sanford and his ilk believe in eternal damnation. This may be his "hell" and he may burn there until finding forgiveness from his Lord.
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
June 25, 2009 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Men and women fall in love. Men have sex, women have sex. Sometimes they are married, sometimes they aren't. Unless its your partner that's in love or having sex, its none of your business. If politicians would stop acting like other people's sex lives needed to be part of public policy discussions, maybe the rest of us would stop worrying about theirs.
June 24, 2009 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I also think there's no good reason to release the full text of these emails. For one thing, it puts the focus on the affair rather than on Sanford's betrayal of public trust by going AWOL for days, which is the best reason for demanding his resignation.
If there's proof in the emails that he traveled to see his girlfriend using public money, that could be worth releasing. But just giving samples of his flowery declarations of love adds nothing significant to public discourse. It's as bad as Ken Starr lingering over the cigar.
June 24, 2009 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
My objection to publishing these emails has nothing to do with concerns about Sanford's privacy; after this he really can't expect any part of his life to remain private. But the relevant facts can be reported without publishing the text of the emails. Putting them out there isn't illuminating, it's just gross. And it's certainly not news.
Sanford has made his personal life a public spectacle. Frankly, I'd rather not collude in his exhibitionism.
June 24, 2009 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't like Sanford because, inter alia, he fatuously thinks that government spending is wrong during the worst economic crisis since the '30s. I really don't care what he does in his personal life.
June 24, 2009 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe some of the comments I'm reading. I've read many a post here about progressives pushing for transparency. Access to public records, including communications transmitted via government equipment, is one of the greatest facilitators of transparency.
I did not take pleasure in reading these particular e-mails and I, personally, could do with them not having been released; however, I don't speak for everyone and particularly not the taxpayers of South Carolina. Where I don't see value, others might.
The disgusting excess of empathy for Sanford and concern for his family is just too much. Maybe Ty'Sheoma Bethea has a right to know how her governor was spending his time, on his modern taxpayer-funded computer and fancy 'internets', while she was going to school in a freakin shack and he was busy playing politics with her future and telling her it's a hard knock life. As much as I feel for them, I'm sure Sanford's wife and his sons have comfortable accomodations and quality educations under their belts tonight. I wonder how Ty'Sheoma is doing after being deprived of the same for 13 years? Did the Sanford family ever take a moment out of their lives to show a modicum of empathy for her?
June 24, 2009 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent points. I tried to think of something to add, but you really said it all.
June 24, 2009 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
and, as i said previously, we should count all messages written on government stationary as public property? if a governor writes a message to his wife or young son on a piece of paper with the State Seal, we ought to consider putting it on the internet because hey, he used government property to do so? this is a patently absurd assertion.
there's no larger point to be made here about government transparency or anything else. it's just a sad story about a confused man having placed himself and his family in an unfortunate situation. leave them alone.
June 24, 2009 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brad and Angelina = Brangelina
Mark and Maria = Mama
June 24, 2009 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think its necessary to publish the full text of the emails, but this is how the game is played these days. I'm just happy the media are not withholding the salaciousness of it all just because he is a poster boy for today's Republican party.
June 24, 2009 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is hilarious - GREAT reading. I don't feel guilty in the least. Thanks for publishing this!! Sanford deserves the utmost humiliation over this for being such a hypocrite, making other people's lives miserable by his judgemental attitude. His role in the Clinton affair is a great example. Screw him. It's great to see someone like him fail.
June 24, 2009 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The funny thing for me is that I am so fucking naive I actually thought this was a non-story and he was actually hiking. Jeesus. I suck at this.
June 24, 2009 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
What if the emails aren't real? Seems a little over the top. What are the emails covering up? :)
June 24, 2009 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your headline is appalling, Zachary Roth. Shame on you.
If you're into soft porn, go find some that doesn't tear down innocent people.
June 24, 2009 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Innocent? Innocent? You're being serious?
June 24, 2009 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi wife and kids. Yeah, innocent.
June 24, 2009 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
How does it "tear them down?" It seems like it might enlighten them to the kind of person who used to live in their house.
June 24, 2009 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
there has been some shockingly pathetic statements on this story so far, but this one takes the cake.
congratulations, you're a scumbag.
June 24, 2009 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh? The scumbag is Sanford!
June 25, 2009 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm guessing this will bring his family closer together.
June 24, 2009 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a classic case of a rich kid seeing nothing but blue skies and an open road. And then one day when he becomes disappointed that things haven't turned out the way he wanted, acts like an ego driven 5 yr old, runs off to Argentina to cry on his girlfriends shoulder, and then returns home and tells the world he cheated on his wife. With all the marginal marriages out there that couples try to make work day-to-day,if not for each other, then for the kids, u would think he could have held it together, resigned for "personal reasons", and been discreet. NOOO, not baby Mark. He has to "share" his meltdown with the press and the rest of us. This isn't about a marriage gone bad, it's about the Gov not getting his way, upset that he can't have everything he wants. Get in line as hole. On Father's Day, with 4 young sons. This is really pathetic. IT'S NOT ABOUT U GOVERNOR!!
June 24, 2009 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
the TPM snark-o-meter is at an all-time high (I think we just beat larry-I-have-never-been-gay-craig)
June 24, 2009 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I always find it fascinating how the usual partisan battle lines get blurred with these kinds of stories.
Plenty of conflicting opinions on both sides of the aisle, which is not surprising. As for me, count me as someone who is sad that there is a wrecked marriage and the 4 kids who will deal with the public fallout of this for years. But people are people, no matter what God they pray to or not. This guy fucked up big time, but he's not a criminal (unless there were state laws broken, but I'm not comparing this to Eliot and his prostitute situation).
Who knows, maybe the guy will pull a King Edward and resign to be with this woman. Stranger things have happened.
June 24, 2009 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agree with much written above...
But what always startles me is how QUICKLY after being caught these guys become so clear about who they are hurting with their behavior. Where was this clarity five minutes BEFORE they were caught? Why bother saying all this stuff at the presser confessor?
If it's so obvious to you now, why wasn't it obvious a few minutes ago when you were trying to cover it up?
Makes them seem even more cynical...
June 24, 2009 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, they're clear about who they're hurting when they're, ahem, doing it. The only thing is, when they're caught, they're compelled to put on this act like they're penitent. Please.
June 24, 2009 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sandford is a bible thumping, doctrinaire Conservative hypocrite of the highest order. He's brought this upon himself and appears to have taken this plunge today because he was just about to be exposed. Remember that he fought hard to refuse the stimulus money, which seriously affected the livelihoods of thousands in SC. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with letting him twist in the wind, because after all, he did this to himself.
June 24, 2009 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not only is Sanford a moron, but he's an illiterate one. "...Beauty Of You Holding Yourself" Puh-lease!
June 24, 2009 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
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June 24, 2009 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know. The guy is an idiot and a cheater. But I wasn't too enthused about Ken Starr making people describe details of oral sex and what not. I guess I'm not really into public humiliation and hypocritical prurient interest in private matters.
Sanctimonious condemnation of adultery + delving into the details of lacivious sexual emails = hypocricy. You are perversely enjoying what you are ostensibly condemning. Now we only need some scantily clad photos of the woman to really have fun with this.
Plus, not too happy about casual invasions of privacy -- if they can read his email and publish it, is anybody's private communications in any form actually private? Sadly, we have no privacy if America -- confirmed by the wingers on the SC -- and everyone acquiesces. It would suffice to know that emails existed without publishing them, just as it was enough to know that Monica had sex with Clinton, without knowing where and how often.
June 24, 2009 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously...I have had some pretty mind-blowing sex in my life, but unless there is something these people are doing that is so much better than anything I have experienced, or can even imagine, I just don't get the whole screwing up your whole entire world (not to mention your wife's and your kid's)to get laid thing... How utterly humiliating it must be to be led around by your...well, you know.
June 24, 2009 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again we are in agreement.
June 25, 2009 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Seriously...I have had some pretty mind-blowing sex in my life, but....."
Good for you. That has helped keep me idealistic too. I have to admit though, in acknowledgment of my doggish nature, [well, I don't actually have to admit anything but I will], that it caused me to be led around at times. Just goes to show, two heads aren't always better than one.
June 25, 2009 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Part of me feels those emails should not have been published because of the children involved in this mess. It's always the children that are overlooked yet who suffer the most in these situations. And this particular father didn't even see fit to spend Father's Day with his own children.
The other part of me feels Sanford deserves all he gets over this "sparking thing". Ol Sparky put his own self-interest above his family, his state and his God. Payback is hell, Sparky. Ol Sparky didn't feel the children of SC deserved federal money for education. Payback is hell, Sparky. Ol Sparky didn't think the unemployed in SC needed more money. Payback is hell, Sparky. Ol Sparky didn't practice what he preached. Payback is hell, Sparky. Turns out Ol Sparky is a hypocrite, clear and simple. He easily passes judgement on others when his own house is disorderly and a lie. Yep, payback is hell, Sparky.
All this dirty laundry is sad. But thank goodness we know.
June 24, 2009 11:32 PM | Reply |