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SC Lawmaker: Sanford "Not A Person That Would Be Happy With Security"

Some mainstream outlets are now suggesting that the Mark Sanford story is over, given his office's explanation last night that the South Carolina governor was hiking the Appalachian Trail, and its update this morning that he's checked in and will return to work tomorrow.

But a closer look suggests the questions are only multiplying.

This isn't the first time that Sanford has gone AWOL. State Sen. Jake Knotts, a Republican but frequent critic of the governor, told TPMmuckraker that there have been "frequent intervals where Sanford would leave for short periods of time" in which no one, including his security detail, knew where he was.

Knotts, a former state law enforcement officer, described Sanford -- who has been considered a top contender for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination -- simply as someone congenitally ill-suited to the kind of constant monitoring the governor's job requires. "He's obviously not a person that would be happy with security," said Knotts. "He just is a hard person to get used to security."

Knotts said that, to his knowledge, none of Sanford's previous absences had lasted overnight. In this case, Sanford was out of touch for five days.

Knotts also seemed to have concerns about the Appalachian story. He pointed out that Sanford took a vehicle from the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division with him, and said that it's almost certain the vehicle would be armed. So if Sanford was hiking, did he leave the vehicle untended? "Was it sitting there in the parking lot with weapons in it?" Knotts asked. "I'm sure he didn't unload the vehicle."

In addition, it was reported yesterday that Sanford's cell phone location had been late last week traced to Atlanta, which would not seem to be on any logical route from Columbia, South Carolina to the Appalachian Trail.

Wherever Sanford is, Knotts said that, rather than leaving authority in the hands of his unelected staff, the governor should have delegated power to the state's lieutenant governor, Andre Bauer. "We got ports down here, we got hurricane season started up, we got prisons that could have riots," he said. "We got all sorts of situations that could need a governor."

As for Sanford's office's claims yesterday that they been in touch with the governor and knew his whereabouts, Knotts said: "They're just circling the wagons. They didn't know where he was." Bauer's office has said it was misled by Sanford's staff into believing -- and then telling the press -- that Sanford's staff had spoken with their boss.


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When my friend was having an affair with her married boyfriend her aunt used to say of the times that she was away with her beau, "she's south of Chattanooga." "Hiking the Appalachian Trail" sounds like the same thing with the Guv. Dude is having an affair. Betcha.

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If Gov. Sanford has trouble dealing with the amount of scrutiny he gets as Gov. of South Carolina, what on earth could possible possess him to think of running for President (where the scrutiny is several orders of magnitude greater)?

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Ditching everyone for five whole days better be for a better reason than an affair.

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Don't count on it.

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All this and Graham and DeMented, too.
See what we have to put up with down here?

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We feel for you, Ann!

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I live in the D.C. area but had a colleague who worked in North Carolina during Jesse Helm's reign of horror. I didn't know his politics but very carefully asked him one day what he thought of Helms.
He answered:

You know why we vote for Helms don't you?
To get him the hell out of North Carolina!

I wouldn't be surprised if many South Carolineans aren't happy to have Sanford at some undisclosed location "the hell out of" South Carolina.

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Sorry, the story just still doesn't add up. If they'd known he was on the AP, they would have said so right away. The statement would have been, "We haven't heard from him but we know he's out hiking."

The real kicker here, and what Josh failed to mention on the front page, is that his wife said she didn't know. No way can that be true. Do you know how much gear you would need to go out for five days?? You don't just grab a knapsack and hiking boots and go. This takes major preparation.

The man has 4 sons and he didn't take any of them hiking with him over Father's Day?? While his family was on vacation togehter without him??

So I say he has not been out on the AP and his office did not know where he is. What is even more strange is that he wouldn't be back today...that he would just keep on keepin' on in this environment is also a shocker. I'd be all over this if I were a reporter. I'd want to see him coming off the trail with all his gear before I believed the story. And at that point, I would still call him negligent, a bad father and husband, and irresponsible.

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Anyone from his office also on vacation this past week?

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that his wife said she didn't know

Yeah, this is the really strange.

If he said "Honey, I need to decompress and clear my head and do some "writing", so I'm going to take off" wouldn't he at least said "And I'll check in when I get where I'm going" and she would have known where he was? How plausible is it for a husband and father to just leave before Father's Day weekend (and those boys look young) and mom doesn't know where dad is? Huh?

And if he took off without telling her, why didn't she notify the police after he had been missing for a day?

This smells.

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How plausible is it for a husband and father to just leave before Father's Day weekend (and those boys look young) and mom doesn't know where dad is?

How plausible is it at any time for a husband and father to take off and leave his family behind without letting them know where he is or how he can be reached, unless something is wrong in the family? Suppose one of the kids got hit by a car, or suddenly developed meningitis or something? It happens to governor's kids just like it happens to anyone else's--I'm from Virginia, and I remember when Governor Godwin's daughter was struck and killed by a freak lightning strike at Virginia Beach while her father was attending the Democratic Convention in Chicago. Any responsible parent always lets people know how to reach him/her in an emergency.

No, either his wife knew where he was and wasn't talking, or there is something seriously amiss.

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Maybe not, but then he'd have to deal with an outfitter somewhere along the way.

I think something is definitely bogus here.

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Agreed. But the most peculiar thing here is any apparent alibi provided by Sanford before he left.

If he indeed set out to meet a secret lover (or drug dealer or whomever), you'd think he would have left his wife and staff with a plausible, un-verifiable alibi before leaving --such as "I'll be hiking on the Appalachian Trail for 3 days and unreachable until Tuesday."

Perhaps he *did* give wifey the "have to be away on business" excuse and she was just to embarrassed to admit it.

I suspect he was attending a very private AA or other recovery-type meeting, possibly in a location out of state where people are less likely to recognize him.

The additional delay may have to do with a serious relapse into drinking or grueling struggling to stay sober.

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My thought exactly. Or some kind of medical procedure he doesn't want anyone to know about.

I think he would have a better alibi for a tryst.

As a matter of fact, I think he'd have a better alibi for almost anything.

Here's a nomination for Republican Family Values Man of the Year.

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Just as when the story broke, it's sounding more and more like the family value Gov was out getting laid.

John

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Now, Tosh, you are being *so* negative! :)

Here's what I suggest: The distinguished Governor was concerned that while the Trail almost brushes South Carolina, it does not enter the state. So, he went out there to investigate re-routing options. He detoured Atlanta to consult with trail-reconfiguration experts there, especially since the trail *does* go through Georgia, west (by a couple of hundred miles?) of Atlanta.

Now that's a much more charitable description than assuming that the state's highest office holder was playing hide the salami, wouldn't you say?

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I'm down with the people below pointing out that Fathers Day was also Naked Hiking Day. How could a rugged outdoorsman like Gov Sanford resist the lure of swinging loose in nature. ;)


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LOL!

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Okay... Sanford is such a rugged outdoorsman that I can't resist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg

Of course in short order, Sanford is going to need to be singing this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ

:P

John

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Does the Applachain Trail cross over Brokeback Mountain?

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I think Josh is right on the money to be skeptical about anything which is said to this point.

Sanford's staff has been caught in several lies, and nothing right now is making any sense.

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In addition, it was reported yesterday that Sanford's cell phone location had been late last week traced to Atlanta, which would seem to be on any logical route from Columbia, South Carolina to the Appalachian Trail.
This statement struck me as being a bit off, so I did some checking. The closest point on the Appalachian Trail to Alanta is the being at Springer Mountain, the starting point for the trail. That is 65 miles from Roswell, GA, which is well on the north end of Atlanta, but could reasonably be considered in the Atlanta area. Even getting that close to Atlanta would add an hour and a half to the trip to the trail head. From the point of view of getting to the trail and getting started hiking, there are a lot of places that are on a logical route from Columbia, SC to the AT. But Atlanta is not one of them.
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He stopped to pick someone up, a hiking buddy?

Or has he just been hooked up in a motel since Thursday.

$10 to the first person who can place Sanford in the Atlanta area between then and now!

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Did he pick up a hiking buddy named Ted Haggard?

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You and I noticed the same thing. I do think that perhaps the OP meant to say "not" on any logical route. The presence of the word "any" makes me think that.

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Just looking at a map, clearly the "not" has been ommitted by someone.

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Oh, yeah? What if he was confused? Did you consider the possibility he may have thought Springer Mountain was *inside* Atlanta? Or maybe he met hiking outfitters and possibly Sherpa types in Atlanta (maybe at a pre-arranged meeting place, like some (gay?) strip club)to guide him? Hmmmmmmmnnnn?

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It does look that way from the map, but the roads that would go from Columbia SC more directly to the north GA App Trail cities would go on 2-lane back roads through small towns, and would be very slow. I've driven between Athens GA and Columbia several times, and the interstate is better. So it would be *plausible* to just take the interstate from columbia to atlanta then head north. But again, not that I believe him.

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To some extent you are right about how the kinds of roads affect your travel time. But something else that affects it is rush hour traffic around major cities. I have not been able to find any information about what time his cell was in the Atlanta area, so that may not be an issue.

But while the roads can slow you down, the 2 mapping programs I have looked at both show that heading for Atlanta first will add at least 30 minutes to the drive. And on one of them, that is with speeds for non-interstate routes set below average.

Of course, this is all predicated on 2 things.

1. He was actually hiking the AT.

2. That he was starting his hike at Springer Mountain.

If 1 is false, there are any number of hiking trails in the state and national parks in northern Georgia that would have been faster to reach by way of Atlanta. This would make his story more reasonable.

If 2 is false, and he was hiking the AT somewhere other than Springer Mountain, there is less reason to go near Atlanta, which weakens his story.

Unfortunately, I do not think we will ever really know the truth.

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I-20 / GA 400 adds about half an hour to the drive compared to I-26, I-385, I-85 through Greenville.

He may have had to prep for Naked Hiking Day in the ATL.

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In addition, it was reported yesterday that Sanford's cell phone location had been late last week traced to Atlanta, which would seem to be on any logical route from Columbia, South Carolina to the Appalachian Trail.

Should this be "would NOT seem to be on any logical route".

I don't really know. Looking at the map, it does look at the southern end of the AT is to the Northwest of Atlanta. It does not look to be the quickest route.

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Yeah, I think the 'not' was meant to be there. You take I-20W from Columbia to get to Atlanta; you take I-26W and I-85S (and then the back roads) to get to Springer Mountain; the further north you want to start up the A.T., the more out of the way a trip to Atlanta becomes.

Very strange indeed. It was Naked Hiking Day over the weekend, coincidentally.

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That was *so low* of you at the end there!

Tisk, tisk!

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The missus and I were "hiking the Appalachian Trail" just the other night.

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I think he is at some very tony clinic.

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Maybe he was running low on meth and had to make some more. Or moonshine.

I agree, if you can't take having your security around, why would you run for president? What, you think you can ditch the Secret Service?

I think TPM needs to have a "Where's Sanford"? contest. Sort of like a Republican "Where's Waldo".

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He's not smart enough to make it himself. I'm sure he just buys it from his gay lover.

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You have no proof of that! Buying it would be a serious crime. Mere possession may entail less of a penalty, so the gay lover may donate it to him for all you know!

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Nobody goes hiking for 5 days and doesn't tell his wife or family. It really is that simple.

All of the other stuff: the various versions of where he is, where his cell phone was, or who he has been in contact with just confirms that something is afoul.

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I worked on a Democratic US House campaign back in '94 when Sanford first showed up in politics running for the seat. He's from a wealthy family and took time off in his youth for extended travel. I'm not surprised he would take off like this (which is also why he should not be an executive officer - too flaky), but it makes no sense that he would go to the AT via Atlanta.

I've hiked parts of the AT, and I have never gone via Atlanta. He could have gone to Atlanta first for any number of legitimate reasons, but shortcut to the AT is not one of them.

It could be that the cell phone call just went through some tower in or near Atlanta from where ever it started. I don't know how cell phone call traffic works.

The incident is most likely not nefarious, but underscores his lack of judgment and his lack of common sense. I don't think he relates to others well. To me he seems inside his own head and is surprised that people might be surprised at his behavior. Just look at his fractious relationship with members of his own party in the SC legislature. He's an idea (lame though the ideas may be) guy, not a real world guy. Should never be in a position of executive authority.

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I'm not even so sure he lacks judgements as much as he lacks any sense of responsibility.

I don't know how much money his family has, but if he's a rich kid (along the lines of Bush wealth), what does he care whether he does his job well or not. The Govenor thing could be just a vanity job for him - in which case what better boost to your ego than to tell the world you're going to Crawford, uh. . . I mean the AP for the week. And you don't really care what happens work. You need you relaxation time.


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Hookers and blow on the Appalachian Trail? Do hookers even hike?

I don't think he was on the AT.

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Don't be so skeptical! Particularly if the hooker is well built and gay, he might hike. (And the blow could be planted on them, so what you're saying is all circumstantial!)

Sheesh!

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Do hookers even hike??

Heck, they will do ANYTHING for 200 bucks an hour...or so I hear,,,, not that I know about such things..... and I will bet "hiking" isn't the weirdest request they've had, either...

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Or, was Palin in her office? Maybe there's some 2012 planning going on. They both didn't want to take any stimulus, which we all know was an Obama trick to make us all slaves to our gubment. Maybe succession is in the future for SC.

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I'm 64 years old. But I could be 164, and still never have witnessed a more bazaar bunch of Republicans than we have now.

TaraV is right about the "kicker." A man who leaves home for a week that includes a Father's Day weekend, and forgets to mention it to his wife and kids, is either nuts or the meanest cuss in town.

Unless he returns with Osama bin Laden tied across the back of his pack mule, he's through.

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This sounds like a bimbo-eruption story, but if it is not (and even if it is), TPM and other media outlets are getting taken for a ride by the South Carolina pols who obviously don't like this Gov.

Many governors, including Rudy and Whitman, get nailed in gotcha-games for taking their "details" (ie, state cop-chauffers) on personal business, even in their own state. Palin scored big points in AK for insisting that she drive herself to work without them. Why should South Carolina taxpayers pay two cops to have a 5-day hiking trip in Georgia?

And I find the not-worthy-of-being-called-speculation of the "armed" SUV to be a particularly naive bit of reporting. That's jus giving ink to a politician's enemy so he can throw out a from-the-ether accusation about guns in the SUV based on... the guy having been a cop many years before, and passing through the motorpool?

and don't we have some sort of laser-deal to keep an eye on these Hurricanes? I think its out on the tubes.

all that said, I agree with Tosh: He's out getting laid.

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in which no one, including his security detail, knew where he was

Good god. if your security doesnt even know where you are thats asking for something. What else are they there for good looks? I swear hes just asking to be critizised. After all its perfectly normal for political figures to just go gallivanting off without telling anybody where they're going.

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Hiking, especially on AT is rather dangerous, people can and do go missing and get hurt.

Any sensible (normal) hiker leaves detailed instructions including their intended route and contact points in case of emergency. Those details would include time of return. This is especially the case if you are intending hiking alone (extra risk). So either the gov ponys up a companion or someone who has the detailed route 9from prior to departure). You carry a ton of stuff for five days hiking, tent or tarp, sleeping bag, food, clothing, cooking gear, and a large back pack.

Either the gov is going to do a lot of public safety anouncements along the lines of don't do what I did, or more likely he was getting laid. five days is a lot of viagra.

BTW the AT is crowded this time of year particullarly weekends, at times its like walking down broadway. Someone would have seen him...witnesses any one? oh those bedroom eyes.

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The gear is exactly my point about the story not being credible. How exactly would he get ready for this trip without his wife knowing?? And the staff is saying they knew but I'm not buying it with all of their mixed stories.

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Well, I tried to be charitable by posting above that he may have met up with Sherpas to guide him in some gay Atlanta strip bar, but so far no one is joining me in giving him the benefit of the doubt. (Plus as I have said, any meth may be been planted or he may have been tricked by cunning gay Sherpas into ingesting it.)

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Another thought: Trails such as the AT usually have only a certain number of trailheads where vehicles can be parked. It should be easy using a few people to check them all in GA and NC and see if there's a vehicle fitting the given description at one of them.

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Oh, you mean actual reporting? Nah, says the MSM...

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The state vehicle is not parked at the trailhead. It's parked at an off-site rendezvous point (likely the Happy Sherpa's condo's underground parking structure). The Happy Sherpa drove them to the trailhead, so we really have no idea what vehicle we're looking for.

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Tara V and Bloke 1 make some very telling points about how this story does not hold up. For five days hiking in the mountains, you would need a supply of food, at minimum a sleeping bag, plus generally other items. You don't go off hiking in the mountains in loafers, jean and a T-shirt. Plus, as Bloke noted, it is customary to leave your route information with rangers or someone. Finally, I do not know the AT, but most popular or even semi-popular moutntain trails at this time of year will be reasonably populated, If all of those elemnts are missing: no provisions for a five-day hike, no one really knew where he was, and no one saw him on the trail, it is clear he is hiding something.

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from the National Parks Service

"Trip Plan
File a โ€œtrip planโ€ with a friend or the agency managing the area that you plan to visit, and let them know when you get back! Allow extra time for bad weather and take extra food in case you are delayed."

so I wonder who he filed the trip plan with???
Hiking Hookers sounds like the name of a band

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I am all for people taking vacations - and even if his story does end up checking out - why wouldn't you put yout Lt. Gov in charge? I mean isn't that what they are there for?

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Hiking incommunicado for 5 days? How could you justify not empowering the Lt. Gov.?

(Unless he might have been tricked by gay Sherpas he might have met in some tawdry Atlanta strip bar into believing he actually *had* empowered the Lt. Gov.??)

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I am all for people taking vacations (especially people like me) too, but I can't leave work for a week without leaving some kind of notice, and certainly not at the drop of a hat.

And, oh, the wife and kids might like to know where I am, and when I am coming back. If I pulled that, my wife would kick my butt when and if I got back (even if I was able to prove I went hiking willingly, and didn't resort to the kidnapped-by-gay-cunning-sherpas story, as espoused by Overreach This).

He went on a binge. He is holed up in a hotel room somewhere (the Atlanta YMCA??) with a bottle, and maybe even a friend of one gender or the other,,, or both?

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Oh wow, As I noted yesterday, he is tall, dark and handsome and he can't get along with anyone, such as his own party.
Teamed up with Howard Rich to defeat his own party members so he could create a state ruled by himself and have no balance of power. The stimulus debate was about Governor control over state funds vslegislative control (SC is heavy on legislative control)and he lost big.
He does not care for the people of SC only his own views, and being president..

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The first time I saw Sanford, I thought "he looks like an alcoholic". He never looks well rested, and he seems agitated and aloof during interviews. Couple that with that clammy, flushed face and the huge bags under his eyes, he looks like the classic detox patient in the ER. Everyone seems to be speculating about an affair, but I have a feeling he's either in rehab, or a mental hospital of some sort. The recent events in SC are enough to trigger a psychotic break or alcoholic binge. I'm just speculating, but this makes way more sense given the circumstances. If it was an affair, he would have surfaced already. His cell phone pinged in Atlanta, not the Appalachian Trail. I bet he's receiving mental health services of some sort and his staff and family have done an awful job at developing a cover story.

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Especially when you now consider that Father's Day was Naked Hiking Day on the AP! (this is posted at Political Wire via AP)

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this gets more bizarre by the minute!

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But who has ever heard of a married man, or at least one that wanted to stay married, leaving for a multi-day affair without telling an elaborate set of lies to the office and the wife first?

I mean, aside from all the ordinary factors involved in such an undertaking, the last thing in the world anyone doing the nasty wants is a family emergency involving one of the kids, and husband/daddy not able to be found. Talk about busted.

In other words, if that is what is going on, it has got to be a first in the history of adultery.

Factor in that we're also talking about a GOP politician and sex, make that a GOP Governor and sex, and tell me that lying wouldn't automatically be a part of any scheme and I'll show you how the AT recurved itself down to Atlanta last Thursday.

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But who has ever heard of a married man, or at least one that wanted to stay married, leaving for a multi-day affair without telling an elaborate set of lies to the office and the wife first?

On Naked Hiking Day.

It cannot be said enough times.

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But that's only one day, CT. Or am I missing your meaning?

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Nah. That response was just a pathetic attempt to include the words "Naked Hiking Day" in the discussion once more.

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What a *cad* you are!

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I don't believe his hiking story for one minute. However, I live in Georgia, and I have previously lived in Columbia SC. I want to acknowledge that it is actually plausible that someone driving from Cola SC to the southern terminus of the AT at Amicalola Falls State Park in North GA would most likely go via Atlanta. There are not good "direct" routes from Columbia through north Georgia to the AT, and the quickest route is actually likely to be one where you'd take I-20 to Atlanta and then head north on Georgia 400 up to the mountains. Again, not that I believe this story in the slightest, but I think we should at least acknowledge that it's not totally out of the question that a cell phone would be picked up in Atlanta for someone heading to the AT.

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Maybe the governor was receiving a different sort of stimulus package.

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EXACTLY! THAT'S IT, ejg3! Maybe when Sanford decided to defy the state legislature, he had this scouting trip in mind! Instead of alternative sources of energy, he was trying to find alternative stimuli...somewhere in Atlanta!

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Fathers Day was Naked Hiking Day, which might explain why he was away from home that weekend.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090619/ap_on_re_us/us_odd_naked_hiking

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The important question is: has anyone ever seen Sanford's birth certificate?

I haven't.

I therefore conclude that he's not an American citizen, and, therefore, is ineligible to be governor of South Carolina. Fer gawd's sake, it was one of our 13 original colonies! So it hardly matters if he goes missing, since he's not really the legitimate governor anyway.

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It sounds right, of course (and as Senator Saxby Chambliss so courteously stated in the Obama context, "He's never shown it to me!"). But I also don't know what kind of ID they require to register at Naked Hikers Day.

If they needed a birth certificate, they might just have a photocopy!

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If this were Victorian England, his wife would have sent a telegram to Dr. John Watson, who would have found Governor Sanford in an opium den.

But my guess is Governor Sanford had a mental breakdown of some sort and has been in the hospital these past five days, either getting treatment for a mental health issue, or for some kind of addiction. They're trying to keep things quiet, but not going to the hospital in Atlanta was no longer an option.

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I don't think it's an affair--and isn't it unattractively homophobic to insist that a "gay lover" would be even more embarrassing? No, I think there's a tragedy here. I think it's going to turn out to be suicide.

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Wow. I hadn't thought about that. My money is on a psychological break.

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"Isn't it unattractively homophobic to insist that a 'gay lover' would be even more embarrassing?"

I thought we were just twisting the knife on the hypocricy of Republican "family values."

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Why do we all think he's gay, I'm wondering? Really? Are we picking up vibes somehow?

Seriously.

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There is only one explanation that makes sense:

He went hunting with Dick Cheney. Sanford must have had a bad connection when he called his office. He didn't say Appalachia Trial, he said Hunting Quail.

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Maybe his wife is in on the deal, and just isn't admitting her knowledge. Also, if the Governor is unreachable, doesn't the Lt Gov step in automatically? This 'he should turn over authority to the Lt Gov in his absence' sounds like a bad organizational set up. Even in SC, I think the transition is automatic.

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I do believe that it is automatic upon the Gov leaving the state - the problem is when no one knows the Gov HAS left the state. If there was an emergency - they would be trying to reach an unreachable guy. I believe I saw the Lt Gov was upset because he had been trying to find out what the sitation was and could not get a straight answer from the Gov's office. So if something had gone wrong - how would he have known that he needed to be in charge?

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Plastic surgery.


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What father actively avoids his family on Father's Day?

"I love you, but you little bastards are driving me crazy. See you next week. And if I get another tie, maybe not even then."

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Religious Dementia, followed by sexual reassignment surgery: He wants to come back to work as Amiee Semple MacPherson.

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