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Source: Roeder Tried To Vandalize Abortion Clinic Saturday
It looks like Scott Roeder, the suspect on the murder of George Tiller, was targeting other abortion providers in the days before Tiller's slaying Sunday.
A worker at a clinic in Kansas City, Kansas at which Roeder regularly demonstrated told CNN that early Saturday morning, he "actually chased after" Roeder after catching him trying to pour epoxy into the facility's locks two weekends in a row.
In other words, it sounds like Roeder was planning to break in to the clinic at a later time.
But could the Feds have used Saturday's incident to try to stop Sunday's? Another worker told CNN he managed to catch the would-be vandal's license plate, and reported it to federal authorities, who told him nothing could be done with the information until a federal grand jury convened. When Roeder was arrested Sunday after allegedly killing Tiller, he was driving a car with that same license number.
CNN also spoke to Eugene Frye, another right-wing extremist, who said he knew Roeder as an anti-tax activist. Frye said Roeder had attended Tiller's recent trial, in which he was acquitted in March of performing unlawful procedures at his clinic. "He just said he'd been down there, and that the trial was a sham," said Frye of Roeder.
There has been speculation since Tiller's death that his killing was prompted by frustration among anti-abortion activists over the acquittal.

















Can't help but wonder, if his name were Sharif abu-Rahim, would the Feds have still said that "nothing could be done with the information until a federal grand jury convened."
June 2, 2009 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
The feds couldn't do anything until a grand jury convened? Isn't this incident terrorist in nature? What if I, a dark skinned American, had said, "I hate America" on a plane or anywhere for that matter--would the feds wait for a grand jury to convene before throwing me in some kind of detention center? Looks like someone at homeland security dropped the ball on this.
June 2, 2009 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Depends on which America you were talking about: the country, or the band.
June 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
More to the point, you would be picked up if you were shown to have shop lifted a candy bar. Who ever heard such nonsense about needing a grand jury to arrest a crime suspect? A grand jury is what you need to indict a suspect after they are arrested and the crime investigated.
June 3, 2009 5:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just for clarification, if Mr. Roeder was pouring epoxy into the locks, it sounds more likely that he was trying to prevent entry, rather than break in.
June 2, 2009 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I suspect the reason for pouring epoxy into the locks was not to break in later, but rather to plug the lock so that the lock could not be opened.
June 2, 2009 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're right Eric the Red. Old Yippies did that years ago to the New York Stock Exchange.
Vandalism to keep them from opening their doors.
June 2, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't use epoxy - which is glue, folks - to set up a later break-in. He was trying to keep anyone from entering the clinic.
June 2, 2009 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Epoxy is a tough term, certainly -- some varieties that are sticky and designed to not attach to metal (or contract slightly when dried) could conceivably be used to emulate a key.
The simplest explanation, though, is that he was trying to jam the lock. Perhaps there is some unreported detail the police gave about the matter, pointing to a more complicated explanation?
June 2, 2009 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well - if one of your fellow travelers happens to be a local locksmith, it's certainly a very good way to gain access without leaving any traces ...
after the locks are replaced with a set for which you have a key.
I frankly doubt this perp worked at that level of complexity.
June 3, 2009 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's all so stupefyingly familiar. I guess until women stand up as one and say, enough, we are only going to vote for people who will respect us, it will continue...
June 2, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didja ever read Lysistrata?
June 3, 2009 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually the epoxy thing IS used for a later break in, the idea is that the person who gets epoxied is so frustrated that he breaks into his own place and then can't get a good locksmith out for a couple days. I doubt that would work with a clinic though they would be well aware that they needed locks at all times...
June 2, 2009 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've worked at clinics in the past, several times. Tampering with locks is a frequent form of vandalism. It's done as just another form of harassment and intimidation, not really to set up a break in (security systems at clinics are too sophisticated for that). My guess is that the reason the authorities didn't act immediately is that is happens all the time. I actually carried a bolt cutter in my trunk at the last clinic I worked at, and had to cut the locks off of our parking lot fence at least twice a week because they had been glued or otherwise tampered with.
June 2, 2009 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. TPM seems to be over hyping the epoxy thing in all manner of suspect ways. That angle is not up to the usually fine analysis I would expect from Zack and Josh.
June 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Umm, excuse me, the important point here is the notion that an FBI agent won't investigate a potential threat to a clinic until a grand jury is impaneled, because that is complete and utter bullshit and clearly a form of stonewalling when you don't care to take the report seriously. I don't care whether the vandalism was trying to prevent entry or facilitate a break in.
You need to arrest someone in order to bring something in front of a grand jury. A grand jury focuses on things like indictments and does its work after law enforcement has brought potential crimes to its attention.
Talk about missing the forest.
Police and FBI agents frequently follow up on this sort of suspicious activity because, among other reasons, they know that sometimes just showing up and questioning someone lets him know that he is on their radar screen and can have a deterrant effect.
June 2, 2009 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Consider in contrast, the local a federal responses to vandalism by fringe environmentalists.
June 2, 2009 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard this morning that Roeder hasn't been charged yet.
WTF??
Throw something on, and pile on later, but get something on there now.
How's about 'murder in the first degree' for starters?
I'm just sayin'!
Later, all his friends can be charged with 'consipracy to commit', and 'aiding and abetting before the fact'.
And we can fire a couple of right-wing-christofacist law enforcement folk who thought follow-up was a waste of time...
June 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
But he has been charged: one count of first degree murder and, I believe, two counts of aggravated assault.
The murder charge does not carry the death penalty, but could result in life imprisonment, which I would prefer to see him do anyway. But what I'd really like is to see the feds or the state of Kansas charge him with terrorism, the way they did the guy who killed the army recruiter in Little Rock. He was charged with one count of capital murder and sixteen counts of committing a terrorist act.
Those terrorist charges are coming from the state of Arkansas; Federal prosecutors were still considering charges the last I read. But see how fast that happens when you are dark-skinned and Muslim?
June 3, 2009 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, rb6, for helping my blood pressure return to a safe level as I was reading this thread. The posts about trees were starting to make me crazy.
Let's just review here, shall we?
If I -- a white, middle-aged woman with nothing worse on my record than a speeding ticket -- were to walk over to the gas station across the street and throw a brick through the window, then jump in my own car in view of a witness, we all know the police would be waiting for me when I got home, and I'd probably have to go to court and pay a fine and damages, at the very least. SOMETHING would happen to me.
BUT a man with a criminal record is witnessed vandalizing a high-profile building and law enforcement can do NOTHING?
When I was in journalism in the '80s, this would have been the muckraking story I had been waiting for all my life. Now? I can't think of a single journalist who's likely to even raise an eyebrow.
June 2, 2009 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, the case here is that Roeder was witnessed by someone who *assumed* his intention was to vandalize a place of business, rather than witnessed him actually vandalizing it. But I agree that the police should have caught up with him ASAP and questioned him pointedly.
June 2, 2009 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cops hate to get involved with the anti-abortion protesters. I escorted at a clinic for several years in the 1980's. The cops would come for things like cut electrical wires, but not for glued locks (which IS an attempt to stop the clinic from opening.)
When the antis showed up in huge numbers, the cops would come, but they really hated it. The protesters would make sure the elderly grannies and priests had to be hauled off, it always made the news and the rest of them would scream at the cops for the cameras.
When the cops were not around they broke the law all the time, crossed boundaries they had been told not to cross, harassing individuals as they entered the clinic, following them in their cars, etc. The clinic convinced the bar across the street to film the demonstrators for several months, then they took them to court for violating various orders. The self-righteous antis lied in court, the clinic played the tapes.
Several demonstrators were heavily fined and banned from being within 500 yards of the clinic. They were replaced by others, and eventually the clinic moved to a more secure facility with limited access.
June 2, 2009 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure that's true all wherever protests are being staged ... but remember the protesters wouldn't be present during questioning of a suspect. No grannies would be involved. All they would have had to do was look into the matter and talk to Roeder downtown, or wherever they take suspects. That could have been all it took. But ... no. Nothing. Crickets. Then a murder.
June 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
This happened many years ago, but a local women's clinic found an elegant solution to their harassment problems. When their lease was up and they went looking for new space they just happened to find a vacancy in a building that also housed a city police substation.
Regardless of what local law enforcement thinks of an abortion clinic, they take it mighty seriously when a bomb threat is called in to an office separated from their's by no more than a drywall partition.
June 3, 2009 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
"reported it to federal authorities, who told him nothing could be done"
There better be a DOJ investigation of this lapse of duty - and persons fired. They do not need to be in Law Enforcement is they are not willing to do their job.
"Congress passed the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act, which specifically banned such acts as blocking clinic doors, trespassing, making violent threats, arson, vandalism, stalking clinic employees, and other forms of violence. Many of these acts were illegal already, but the law made clear that targeting a clinic with these crimes merited a federal response."
Roeder was clearly TRESPASSING, and this law specifically allows for any arrest and investigation involving clinics - especially knowing that they are always targets of vandalism and threats.
If this Law enforcement person was hired during the Bush Administration - and is lax for personal reasons - or just too lazy to do their job - they need to be gone now!
Start the Journalistic Investigation into why the federal authorities took no action when they were given evidence of trespassing or a threat.
June 2, 2009 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Roeder was actually in violation of Federal law, thus liable for immediate arrest, because he was blocking access to a clinic. Go to democracynow.org and check out today's story (June 3) for the details. He was also FILMED at one incident, and ID'd POINT BLANK by a clinic employee at the other, who confronted him and also got his license number. So the reluctance to arrest clearly needs investigation. Eric Holder needs to ask some tough questions of the FBI, and answer to us as well.
June 3, 2009 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink