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Tiller Murder Suspect's Ties To Right-Wing Extremism

So who is Scott Roeder, the suspect in the George Tiller murder?

The 51-year-old resident of Merriam, Kansas has a record as a fanatical anti-abortion activist, who had made at least one other threat against an abortion provider. And he also has had ties to the a violent right-wing extremist group that came to prominence in the 1990s.

Roeder believed in "justifiable homicide" -- that is, that it's OK to kill those who facilitate abortions -- according to another anti-abortion activist, Regina Dinwiddie. Dinwiddie told McClatchy that in 1996, Roeder walked into a Kansas City Planned Parenthood clinic that was being picketed by protesters, and asked to see the doctor, Robert Crist.

Dinwiddie continued:

Robert Crist came out and he stared at him for approximately 45 seconds. Then he (Roeder) said, 'I've seen you now.' Then he turned his back and walked away, and they were scared to death.

In addition, McClatchy reports, someone using the name Scott Roeder has posted anti-Tiller comments on several anti-abortion websites. One comment, posted in 2007, read:

It seems as though what is happening in Kansas could be compared to the 'lawlessness' which is spoken of in the Bible. Tiller is the concentration camp 'Mengele' of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgment upon our nation.

That same year, another comment from "Scott Roeder" referred to a recent event organized by anti-Tiller activists in Wichita:

Bless everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp. Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn't seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.

But Roeder's violent right-wing extremism seems to extend beyond the issue of abortion. In April 1996, amid anxiety over the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, Roeder was stopped by police after a motorist reported seeing a car with a license plate reading: "Sovereign -- Private Property -- Immunity Declared at Law --Non Commercial American."

("Sovereign citizens" claim to be unaccountable to the federal government, deriving certain rights under English common law. It's been a favored legal strategy of various violent right-wing extremists, including white supremacists.)

When police searched Roeder's car, they found the makings of a bomb: a blasting cap; two six-volt lantern batteries, one wired with a clothespin and a cigarette wrapper; and a 1-pound can of black gunpowder. In Roeder's home, police found instructions titled "Underground Cookbook: Clothes Pin Time-Delayed Switch."

Roeder was listed by the FBI as a member of the freemen group, which at the time of his arrest was locked in a standoff with federal authorities near Jordan, Montana. (Many freemen also used that license plate tag.) Roeder was ultimately sentenced to 16 months in prison for violating his parole, but the conviction was tossed out after a court found that the evidence against him had been illegally gathered.

Morris Wilson, who during the mid 1990s was the commander of a group called the Kansas Unorganized Citizens' Militia said he knew Roeder well. "I'd say he's a good ol' boy except he was just so fanatic about abortion," said Wilson.

When Roeder was arrested yesterday, he was driving a blue 1993 Ford Taurus. In the rear window of the car was a red rose -- a symbol often used by anti-abortion activists -- and on the back his car was a silver fish symbol with the word "Jesus" inside.


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next time you wonder why the palins and the tancredos and the rushes and the hannitys etc, speak with all the code words and the outright racism, you will remember that it is especially the roeder types that they are speaking too.

just watch youtube of the people attending the palin events and you will see clearly who the republican base is.

the difference is most of them would not actually use physical violence, only their violent words.

but it is their hate that rush etc. speaks too.

and when you see the violence such as this murder, the hate filled talking heads will gently condem it but they internally are satisfied.

for it proves their words are reaching their intended audience .
it is the only way that proves they have 'rallied the base to anger".

and that is their goal.

and obviously it is easy to speak to these types when you are a true believer yourself.

the point no one ever makes about their "brothers", in the media.

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There are certain people in this world that elect not to make decisions for themselves, but would rather follow leaders who they turn over all of their thought processes to.

This brand of Christianity (and I hate to even call it that, because it certainly doesn't mirror the teachings of Christ) espouses hatemongering and an us against them attitude. If you are not a "believer" (meaning rigidly evangelical) you are not one of us. You are part of the secular society and an enemy. You have no worth as a human being and are nothing but an agent of Satan.

Scary stuff.

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A point of gospel: Jesus spent much of his time "casting out demons." That's to say, Jesus was a sort of psychological abortionist. Now, statistically the Jesus freaks are some of the most demon plagued among us, in that the incidents of alcoholism, violence within the family, and general criminality (not to mention sexual "perversions" according to their own lights) are higher than among the non-religious population. So at the same time they believe in casting out demons, but they also have their demons as substantial parts of their selves. So they cling to Christianity with the double motive of both wanting to cast out demons - which they recognize in themselves - and of wanting to stay with something which does not effectively cast out demons, since those demons are some substantial parts of themselves which they're scared of losing.

They're in a constant struggle between casting out, and holding onto, their demons.

Notice how neatly abortion maps onto this whole pattern of internal psychological warfare in the Jesus freak. Their fear of abortionists is the very fear that demons have of Christ. They see doctors as being able to effectively cast something out (often something which has "sin" at the root of its existence). This scares them, because they substantially identify with their own demons, demons which, due to their Christian strivings, are also constantly under attack. Demons they know the real Jesus would cast out of them, leaving them substantially different psychologically. Changing them to liberals, like Christ Himself.

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I had brief conversation with a local racist just the other day. He approached me, fumblingly trying to ask why I won't associate him.

I noted the first comment out of his mouth the very first time we met (which he happened to repeat this time), and said, "That's racist".

He immediately said: "I'm a Christian". Both as a changing of subject/sidestepping of the issue of racism, and intended to mean that, he's a Christian, therefore "can't" be a racist.

"I know 'Christians'," I said. "Yesterday, a Sunday, a 'Christian' killed a doctor, in a church.

"I deal all the time with 'Christians' -- with those who hide behind the claim to be 'Christian' in order to avoid being seen for what they actually are, and to justify and avoid criticism of their views. As if claiming to be a 'Christian" makes everything one does 'okay'."

Then added: "I don't associate with racists," and walked away.

Only that sort of clear shocking/rejection has any potential of getting through to the person. But I walked away because -- though part of that effort -- the likelihood of getting through this one's proud ignorance is virtually nil.

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I wonder if this pathetically evil fool's mental state was affected by listening to the propaganda spewed by mendacious, self-righteous exploiters of the unbalanced, like Bill O'Reilly.

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Unfortunately, that isn't even necessary. These messages can be found repeatedly in any evangelical church.

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And among gun-nuts -- both far-right and generally.

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Is there now anyone who doubts that hate-speech and or inflammatory accusations are not precursors of violence? From a highly visible platform, calling someone a "baby killer", a "socialist", a "reverse racist", "making our country less safe"? Does anyone still claim to believe that the O'Reillys, Limbaughs, Becks, Hannitys and Cheneys of the world ARE NOT precursors and or provokers of violence against President Obama?

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It's wrong to use this mentally unstable person's actions (I know which killer am I talking about) as an example of "right wing" extremism - blaming O'Riley and your list of individuals that you so dearly don't accept as having a right to speak out. It's a poor strategy to try and destroy all that you are unable to tollerate. It does not solve anything and I don't believe I saw any of your solutions to the issue being presented.

The man (both the Dr. of late term pregnancy and the Killer) were sick and what they did was very sad and disturbing. It just seems obvious that others have a right to say that the 60,000 aborted humans by this man was also wrong too. Just my opinion.

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No one is challenging the right of the lying bigots you defend to SPEAK OUT. What is being challenged is the LYING and HATE-SPEECH based upon LIES.

The question you avoid/misanswer is this:

Is there any doubt that hate-speech incites violence?

If you don't think it does, then check out, as example. the results of Hitler's hate-speech against Jews.

Get it through you're muddled view: EVERY right is INEXTRICABLY ENTWINED with a RESPONSIBILITY. That INCLUDES the right of free speech. There is no right, as example, to yell "theater!" in a crowded fire. If you don't recognize WHY that is WISE PUBLIC SAFETY POLICY, then you aren't engaging REASON.

The rights of society -- EVERY society -- supersedes those of the individual PRECISELY because the SURVIVAL of the SOCIETY is MORE IMPORTANT than the survival of the individual. That is NOT "socialism"; it is a legitimate concern for PUBLIC SAFETY.

This is the PUBLIC SAFETY bottom line:

No SANE society leaves dangerous substances and objects lying around UNREGULATED.

If you don't understand THAT, then you don't know the meaning of "responsible" and "law-abiding". The Founders -- who ALSO established prisons, which are a symbol of LIMITS on "freedom" -- were for "ordered liberty" -- liberty WITHIN the law, not IN SPITE of the law.

One has a CIVIC duty, as a member of a society, to conduct oneself RESPONSIBLY. Lying, lie-based personal attacks, and lie-based HATE-SPEECH is IRRESPONSIBLE.

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In view of the fact that abortions are a PRIVATE procedure, and any medical record of them is also PRIVATE, you CANNOT know that Dr. Tiller performed "60,000" abortions.

Ask yourself: is it RESPONSIBLE to spread FALSEHOODS which can get another MURDERED -- especially in the face of the CHRISTIAN COMMANDMENT --

Thou shalt not lie?

And how about:

Thou shalt not lie AGAINST OTHERS?

You aren't concerned with abortion -- about which you OBVIOUSLY know NOTHING except that lazilly got at at best third-hand. Ask yourself: What is the PURPOSE of "late term" abortion as a MEDICAL procedure? And don't knee-jerk stupidize the question by substituting your IGNORANCE of the MEDICAL purpose for the FACTUAL, TRUTHFUL answer.

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THESE are the right wing extremists that the Obama administration has called a threat to this country. These are the people O'Reilly etc. claimed were being unfairly targeted by "liberals" when the right went into overdrive about the extremist label. These are the people who were courted by Reagan and then every Republican since. Those who court them are all responsible for this insanity. These people are not warriors or whatever else they think they are. They are very disturbed, mentally ill individuals whose particular form of illness takes the form of being a zealot for the cause that happened to enter their consciousness on X day. Had they had someone stick another flyer on their car it would be that issue. The anti-choice crowd are usually men or older women who really seem to be obsessed with other women's sex lives and have no interest in what they really claim to have an interest in. They are the antithesis of pro life. That is the real obscenity here.

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Speaking of "brothers in the media", I was shocked today to read the account of the shooting in the Wall Street Journal this morning. Looks like the editorial page folks had a hand in the article.

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The second posted comment by American jihadist Roeder quoted has been cleaned up from the bad spelling in the original which I culled from the Google chached page from Operation Rescue's website yesterday and posted over at the Daily Kos. As it originally appeared:

Scott Roeder Says:
May 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pm

Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp. Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.

If nothing else, this terrorist accomplished the last part he posted, he certainly brought more attention to Tiller.

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Hopefully it will finally bring attention to the HEALTH reasons for "late term" abortion: the health and SURVIVAL of the mother.

GENUINE Christians would rather the fetus die, on the theory that the mother, if alive, can potentially get pregnant again, with a better outcome.

These extremists -- terrorists -- are of the lunatic, and unfounded view, that BOTH mother and fetus should be allowed to die in keeping with that they CANNOT know: "God's will".

AND the fact that "late term" abortion is EXTREMELY RARE.

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Thanks, Lestatdelc, for calling him a terrorist.

This is, and continues to be, the un-prosecuted, Republican-supported terrorism against women in the United States.

These terrorists, and their supporters, and funders, need to be called out for what they are, and convicted of conspiracy in these terrorist acts.


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Amen.

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There was a man named Scott (the last name is vague, but Roeder sounds familiar) who was making explicit anti-abortion videos in Minneapolis in the 1980's when I worked in community access TV there.

I will be very curious if it turns out to be the same guy. If so, he was pretty crazy back then, if he kept his obsession this many years it's not surprising he killed someone over it.

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Thousands and thousands of children starved to death today.
Thousands will make it through today, only to stave to death tomorrow.

Is starving to death torture?
And we throw-out more than enough food that could save them.

So....It is right to be offended by this crazy shooting.
But I think there is a lot of crazy to go around.

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Yes, it is right and just to be offended by this crazy shooting. It is also right and just to be offended by starving children (and adults). And, it is right and just to be offended by those who blame a gun for this killing. There has yet been no documented case where any gun has aimed itself and killed anyone.
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Quite true.

Also quite true of nuclear bombs, of course.

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Oddly, the "pro-lifers" seem largely unconcerned at this mass killing.

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Once a fetus is born and becomes a baby, it is the responsibility of the mother, not them or society. And when that fetus/baby/child turns 18, they are just more cannon fodder for US wars of choice.

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Except that the society IS responsible for the health and safety of its individual members.

That isn't "socialism"; it's common sense.

Alas, "Common sense is none too common," as wrote Emerson.

Or, "Common sense is much too common," as he also wrote.

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Afkansastan, home of right wing extremist terrorists

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Exremism, especially violent, isn't born in a vacuum. Nor does it grow and flourish in a vacuum. It becomes part of a culture or sub-culture, that give it what it needs, especially perspective and language.
Roeder's ex-wife has described how he 'evolved' over a decade, from being an anti-tax/anti-government extremist, to becoming an Old Testament 'eye for an eye' believer, and then fixating on abortion. It's no coincidence that the terms that Roeder regularly used are the same ones you hear day after day from the likes of Bill O'Reilly, Randall Terry and other high-profile 'pro-life' voices (i.e., the conscience decision in the 1980's by pro-life groups to substitute the word 'baby' for 'fetus' as often as possible. Solely for its emotional impact value)..

And when these individuals and groups actually come together, the verbiage can become a frightening din. Witness Terri Schiavo. When, located in one place, for weeks, augmented by media pundits - Fox News/Sean Hannity literally set up shop there - and blogs, the 'Save Terri' groups became a chorus of hatred, slander, distorsions and outright lies, mainly directed towards Michael Schiavo. And when every Court ruled on the facts in favor of Michael, you had the spectacle of one of the most undemocratic examples of political pandering in recent history as the leadership of the Republican party orchestrated its 'war on the Judiciary' (remember those 'Justice Sunday', the 'activist judges' mantra, the threats of legislation stripping courts from being able to hear end of life cases...). And Bill Frist in his Senate office diagnosing Terri from an EDITED videotape. Talk about a rabid and dangerous (to our democracy) political-cultural coalition.

Not every supporter or advocate of these groups, and especially their language, will become a Roeder. But there's something perhaps even more dangerous to our democracy: the language of the pro-life extemists is so extreme, so much a part of anything they say about abortion, that in fact it renders nearly impossible any serious, rational discussion and possible solutions. Obama had it dead right in his Notre Dame speech.

The only way we'll ever come to some kind of resolution or acceptable compromise, is for both sides to step back from the hate-based, deliberately antagonistic, 'cultural warrior' language. And to stop being manipulated by those that engage in it from the heights of their religious and secular pulpits.

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"[B]oth sides"!?

I hear rationality from the 73 per cent who are pro choice. I hear LUNACY from the far-right lunatic fringe.

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'One woman who turned to him was Miriam Kleiman, of northern Virginia. Nine years ago, a routine sonogram revealed her 29-week-old fetus had major brain abnormalities that prevented the baby's heart and lungs from functioning properly.
Doctors told her the baby would die in utero or soon after birth. Kleiman's doctors told her a third trimester abortion was not possible.
Kleiman says she could not bear a two-month death watch. 'There was a baby dying inside of me, and it wasn't if, but when,' she says.
After desperate pleas, she says, a doctor scribbled Tiller's name on a scrap of paper. She and her husband flew to Wichita and drove through a gauntlet of protesters to the fortress-like clinic.
She remembers Tiller and his staff as kind and compassionate. She had the abortion and brought home her baby to be buried.
Kleiman, who now has two sons, says she cried when she heard of Tiller's death while watching her son's soccer game.
'I fear,' she says, 'that other people might not have this option in the future _ to have a medical option that was safe, that was legal and allowed us to say goodbye with dignity.' (AP)

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"("Sovereign citizens" claim to be unaccountable to the federal government, deriving certain rights under English common law. It's been a favored legal strategy of various violent right-wing extremists, including white supremacists.)"

I've been confroonting these law-illiterate pseudo-law-spewing loons for some 20 years. The "legal" theories they spew are unadultered nonsense -- in essence a criminal rationalization. Most of these individuals claim to be -- get ready -- "Libertarian".

The difficulty in dealing with them is multi-facted circularity:

1. They reject anything and everything which doesn't fit, and reinforce, their pre-existing beliefs. (It doesn't seem quite accurate to term them "beliefs," because one would think a belief would meet some minimum standard of coherence).

2. Reflecting the above, the reject education -- on the paranoid hypothesis that public schools are "gov't run," therefore impart "pro-gov't brainwashing".

3. They reject the views of those with an actual education in law because it doesn't fit and reinforce their nonsense. The question they can never answer -- without resorting to additional gibberish:

"In view of the fact that an actual lawyer has an education in law, and you do not, how then do you know more about law than an actual lawyer?"

They hate actual lawyers, of course, because actual lawyers hear them out, then correctly characterize their pseudo-law views as bullshit.

At the core they are, in part, suckers for the anti-tax loons. But if one posts those clauses of the Constitution -- or of their own state constitution -- which authorize taxation, they reject it out of hand as "socialist". That includes the very same clauses from the very first state constitutions framed and adopted by the actual Founders/Framers -- who they otherwise praise as "{Gods against the sky" who could do no wrong.

To say they are dirt-dumb is true -- but insults dirt.

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