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Report: CIA Assassin Program Could Operate Anywhere -- Even Inside U.S.

Since the news broke (sub. req.) at the start of the week that CIA director Leon Panetta had pulled the plug on a secret program to assassinate or capture al Qaeda leaders, we've been raising questions about one key aspect of the story. In particular, what was it about the program that was so shocking that Dick Cheney reportedly ordered it kept secret from Congress, Panetta quashed it as soon as he heard about it, and Congressional Democrats risked being painted as soft on terror by shrieking about being kept in the dark?

We may have gotten a good piece of the answer here: The Washington Post reports today on how the program had been revived and then put on hold several times since 2001. But it also says, referring to the "presidential finding" with which President Bush authorized the program in 2001:

The finding imposed no geographical limitations on the agency's actions, and intelligence officials have said that they were not obliged to notify Congress of each operation envisaged under the directive.

"No geographical limitations" presumably means that operations could potentially be carried out in countries, friendly or unfriendly, that are far from any war zone -- including even the US itself. And it seems likely that they would be carried out without notifying the foreign country in question.

Of course, we've frequently, and quite openly, used the military to carry out attacks on specific Qaeda leaders -- even before 9/11. But using the CIA to do so, and with such broad authority to operate anywhere in the world, as this program seems to have given the agency, would appear to take things into a different realm.

If some Congressional Democrats get their way, there'll be an actual investigation into whether the CIA withheld information from Congress. That would mean we wouldn't have to rely on piecing together news reports, sourced to insiders who likely have their own agendas, to get to the bottom of another crucial national security and separation of powers issue, which would be nice.


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This just does not add up. Given the obscene authority already granted to the executive, assassination squads seem, well, quaint.

The greater problem seems to be the source of the authorization itself, and the cover-up that lasted 8 years.

There is something missing from this. Did it progress further than what has been said? Were dead bodies turning up inconveniently in friendly quarters?

Dead-Eye Dick, of course, planned it all along: it will lead back to W, not him, or so he believes. I love how his psychic daughter "just knows" no laws were broken. It makes her a bit of an imbecile.

And nothing will happen. No one will be going to court much less the clink based on this. Too many brutes secretly believe, authorization or no, "the enemy" has is coming.

Pax,
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'Report: CIA Assassin Program Could Operate Anywhere -- Even Inside U.S.'

According and alleged from 'YOUR-RIghts.com' link to Documentary Video 'Bush linked to Kennedy Assassination' and many books published from many former CIA Officials and numerous broadcasts, now archived for viewing on 'Democracynow.org' and inclusive of the former 'School of the Americas' now re-named 'Institute of .....' continues to operate and has been operating for the past 50 + or - years as such.

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Hersh described this program in a presentation awhile ago.

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Considering how accurate CIA intelligence was at the onset of 9/11 regarding Iraqi WMD's I'm surprised anyone would have even considered this program.

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How about some of the people targeted may not have "just" been "high value" Al Qaeda, but high ranking members of a royal family/intelligence:

"On July 22, 2002, Prince Ahmed died unexpectedly of a heart attack at the age of 43, and on July 23, 2002, Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud was killed in a car accident at the age of 41. A week later, Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir was found dead, having "died of thirst" at the age of 25. Prince Turki was fired from his position as head of Saudi Intelligence on September 1, 2001, and became the Saudi ambassador to Great Britain in 2002.

On February 20, 2003, Pakistani air force chief Mir, his wife, and fifteen others were killed in a plane crash.

None of this appeared in the 9/11 Commission Report, though it might have been planned for that document. This is because the Bush administration censored 28 pages of material about Saudi connections to 9/11 from the report on the grounds of national security."

http://lippard.blogspot.com/2008/06/real-911-conspiracy.html

More:
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/10/18/saudis/index.html

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So...let's recap:

The Bush Administration used the fictional television show "24" when it came to interrogations.

Now we find out they were using the "Jason Bourne" series for how they thought the CIA should be run?

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What would the U.S. Government say or do if it were revealed that other nations had undertaken secret hit squads? Yet, this is reported as if the U.S. has some inherrant right to have this kind of operation. We are just supposed to assume that only terrible people would be the object of such an operation and that the rest of the world would have no problem with us for doing this. Frankly, I am stunned that there is not considerably more outrage and that Congress has been so patient and inactive since this has been exposed.

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"Patient" and "inactive" is putting it a bit mildly.
They behave as if they've been blackmailed for the last decade- one can easily imagine how much incriminating info could have been obtained to forestall investigations or protest.

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Again, the crux of this entire story is not that Cheney himself was involved, it's a question of who was targeted and why.

We already know of many deaths which came at convenient times for the Bush administration. I'm not sure I need to go through all of these again, but just a few of them would be Paul Wellstone, Pat Tillman, Dr. David Kelly, Bruce Ivins, and the DC Madam Debra Palfrey.

All of these people had the ability to cause significant damage to the Bush administration and every one of them died a suspicious death. I think the chances of all of these deaths happening in a vaccuum are close to nil.

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And GOP 'internet guru' Michael Connell.

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... and Mel Carnahan

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Could also include Nicola Calipari, Benazir Bhutto, the guy at Minot AFB in the nuke transport snafu, and to a lesser extent Rafik Hariri and even Alexander Litvinenko.

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Should also point out that in the case of Calipari, the real target would have been Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, who as a feminist, pacifist communist who openly sided with the Iraqi people before she was kidnapped would have definitely been a thorn in the side to the administration.

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Actually, had all those people been in a vacuum (or multiple vacuums), they would have died pretty quickly.

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This clearly demands thorough investigation!

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Or at the very least, I wide re-airing of Wag the Dog.

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Almost every day we discover more of how evil the Bush/Cheney gang was. This is what the recent Cheney media onslaught was about, keeping hearings or other forms of investigations into what they were doing from going forward.

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My feeling is that there are two parts to this story/policy: the assassination squad(s), and then the intelligence used to send those squads after people. Either one by itself is bad, but then you combine the two, and look out.

I suspect there was a more comprehensive intelligence gathering operation (beyond warrantless wiretaps) that was directly tied to this group. I also think the goals--"get terrorists"--were so broad and open to abuse by partisans that we'd be shocked at who and what was studied. I've long wondered if someone could have used a program like this to spy on the Kerry 2004 campaign, for example.

But I agree that the details as released so far are kind of "yeah, that's bad, but it's no worse than 800 things they already approved," so obviously there is more to be released.

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"I also think the goals--"get terrorists"--were so broad and open to abuse by partisans that we'd be shocked at who and what was studied. I've long wondered if someone could have used a program like this to spy on the Kerry 2004 campaign, for example."


I agree. And I think the predictable and sad part to that theory is that, within the Bush WH, if you were paying attention to their rhetoric, there were people who actually, in their minds, believed 'getting terrorists' went hand in hand with defeating Kerry. It was beyond simply smearing, there were some true Kool Aid drinkers-- Darth being first and foremost.

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Ah yes, the good old KGB.

Always wanted one o' them. Wetwork, asassinations, polonium tea pots, poison ice darts, complete secrecy, judge, jury and executioner, political opponents vanishing right and left...how much one can accomplish if only the principle of accountability and restraint could be eliminated...hmmm....and anyone who refuses to go along is not interested in keeping Americans safe...and if they aren't interested in keeping Americans safe, then logic dictates they MUST be a terrorist sympathiser--in which case we invite them to a polonium tea party. So what's the down side?

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spot on

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I would like to know more about the unexplained disappearances or violent deaths of 40 high level micro-biologists in the 4 years after 9/11.

This has been quashed under the suffocating label of “Conspiracy theory,” even though so many of the microbiologists were found in the trunks of cars, fell off bridges, or died in car wrecks because the brake fluid had been drained.

Apparently they were all either working for the government, government contractors, or involved with projects related to bio-terrorism or anthrax. We know the anthrax came from US government labs. Who would benefit from their silence?

How much of this is verifiable?

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This part noted above "No geographical limitations" concerns me and it should concern every American - no matter where they live.

In the U.S., of course, ops are OUT OF BOUNDS for the CIA IAW their charter.

But, imagine an American living and working overseas who unknowningly associates with a "terrorist on the CIA hit list" (it could happen - if the terrorist is slick and savvy and the American is not) ...

BINGO: they could be hit, too? What about that?

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Embrace the plan. Ass_Ass_inate Penis Chee-Knee and Duh-ya and THEN declare the program bad.

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...and Congressional Democrats risked being painted as soft on terror...

If Congressional Democrats are more worried about Republicans saying mean things about them than doing the right thing, they have no one to blame but themselves.

That's what makes them look weak. Or rather, that's what makes them weak.

But they never learned that rather obvious lesson in the past eight years. It would be foolish to expect that they'll learn within the next eight years.

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"No geographical limitations" presumably means that operations could potentially be carried out in countries, friendly or unfriendly, that are far from any war zone -- including even the US itself.

It seems like even operations in "friendly countries" without coordination with those "friendly countries"' intelligence services is already normal procedure for the CIA?-- assuming Italy to be a friendly country. It almost seems like you'd basically have to go into the U.S. to create an innovation capable of alarming the establishment sloths that seem to be alarmed over this one.

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There were people added to the Terrorist Watch List between 2001 and 2002 who later in 2004 were alleged to have links to Al Qaeda who hadn't a thing to do with Al Qaeda and weren't terrorists. They were defined as terrorists by VP Cheney and his allies who were defending their personal and family business interests to wreck the people's reputations and make their lives hell. The people represented technologies far superior to the ones offered by Cheney business interests such as Lockheed Martin. People such as me have paper trails from 2002 based on merit from our government, that no other government contractor ever received! I learned ideas of merit travel in our government! They found me, not that I found officials in evaluation posts!

It is a lie to state this hit program wasn't put into effect. It was conceived around January of 2002. It was operational in 2004 and 2005! I head federal operations for the inventing company of the tech standard NIST calls smart wallet. Sometime between 11/01 and 11/02 I was added to the FBI's Terrorist Watch List--a request made by CIA and its German head of Logistics Dusty Foggo.

In 11/02 upon CIA order NSA began hotwiring my house with tiny spy cameras. They weren't remotely discreet and the damage to my house--visible to any layman's eyes remains today!

I am a blonde-hair blue-eye female. In 2004 the public was told that Al Qaeda had begun to recruit blonde-hair blue-eye females. Also, in 2/04, 3/04, 5/04 and 9/05 this hit program was in effect against me! I had a second role w/our company: investor of last resort. With the CIA having taken down our US RnD operation, then German operation (Brant Bassett & Brent Wilkes--TPM got the date wrong in an earlier report...it was 1/05 and the part of east Germany TPM didn't learn about from the grand jury leak: Erfurt, Thuringen) and finally a French operation on a second try (Cheney's son-in-law was caught apart of the 2nd conspiracy in 1/07; Carol Lam shutdown the 1st French conspiracy), part of the sabotage was to destroy our reputation with venture capitalists. I always was being called upon to finance operations.

Had Cheney and friends succeeded with their attempts to have me killed, our company wouldn't have gone out of business. Since 12/1/01 we kept declining another government's financial offers (100 % financing and buyouts). In 7/07 I learned that government orchestrated 911! Hence, to defend their business interests, Cheney & Co. did their best to extradite the world's only next-gen identification and commerce credential into enemy control! My biz partner would have been forced to sell to 911's planners and trainers had Cheney & Co. succeeded in having me killed and with it the credit line I extended the company! Lockheed's biometric smart card solution already was compromised with our enemies! Not only was Lynne Cheney on Lockheed's Board into 9/03, but her son-in-law when not embedded in government service to defend Cheney family biz interests, was a Lockheed lobbyist!

I want to emphasize that not only was this program made operational, but the targets were falsely labeled terrorists. In the name of Cheney corruption there were 4 attempts to kill me! While we moved RnD operations overseas after CIA sabotage of our US operation in 2004, I remained in the US. I remained in the US b/c in 11/04 I made a decision for us to accept a German financing package first offered 19 months before, and bankrolled my biz partner's trip to accept the financing package. 3 days later Tom Ridge was fired. General Hayden that same day told Fox News the resignation was b/c Ridge hadn't funded the next-generation of technologies. I remained in the US b/c Chertoff was supposed to address why Ridge was fired so I could proceed as head of federal operations! His former employer was the same as that of Cheney's son-in-law, so it is of no surprise Chertoff didn't! The attempts to kill me happened in the US!

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And in other news, Former Enron Vice Chairman J. Clifford Baxter was found dead in his car in a Houston suburb Friday...

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Kenneth Lay, 64, who was awaiting sentencing after being found guilty of conspiracy and fraud in the Enron fiasco, died early Wednesday in Aspen, Colo., a family spokeswoman said.

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I would like to see some real proof of that. It's just as likely that he's golfing in Dubai.

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It's the whole mindset that was the problem. I never understood how the Bush Whitehouse needed more latitude to do surveilance/spying without a warrant when the special FISA court was setup 24/7 and if that wasn't good enough, the CIA or the FBI could make a warrant request 3 days after they had spied???

Not to mention where they wanted to go with the whole pre-emptive war thing. We've had 8 years of the executive branch totally ignoring the Constitution.

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Margie Schoedinger, who allegedly filed a lawsuit against George W. Bush in December 2002 claiming that she had been raped, has died of a gunshot wound to the head. Her death has been ruled a suicide.

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Official A, a frequent poster on Talking Points Memo and had openly tied a number of supsicious deaths to the secret

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This story is unfolding strangely. I can't distinguish between the objective facts and the spin and while I recognize that is par for the course in politics, we don't have any reliable journalists to inflict the right questions in pursuit of truth on a consistent basis. Here and there, maybe, but there is no journalistic constant.

Every leak, every war crime, every possibility of investigating potential wrongdoing gets instantly diluted with accusations of political posturing.

Ordinarily, you would have an independent body that would separate the political from the legal, but this is a mess.

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Well, maybe our journalists don't want to wind up dumped in a ditch somewhere, the way they seem to do in Russia.

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Did Cheney take the Bourne movies seriously? Apparently so.

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Well, he did talk about acting from the dark side and working from the shadows.

His many trips to CIA headquarters wasn't just unusual, it was unprecedented.

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How can you discontinue a program that is entirely secret and self contained? The core principle is loyalty to some power other than the constitution of the United States - unrestricted power to protect the secrecy it operates within. Unbalanced power to control the population through fear.

Able to purge whistleblowers or their families with impunity, this "Neo-mob" would be able to intimidate or erase all investigation. Look at the database it has at its fingertips: Echelon, or whatever they call the domestic equivalent. The next shoe to drop will not happen in the slow news cycle of the summer.

What is the difference between reasonable suspicion and paranoia?

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How self-contained might this program been? Or how coordinated with certain allies. I recall this story from the UPI:

"UPI - Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United States and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials told United Press International. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has forbidden the practice until now, these sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The Israeli statements were confirmed by more than a half dozen former and currently serving U.S. foreign policy and intelligence officials in interviews with United Press International. But an official at the Israeli Embassy in Washington told UPI: "That is rubbish. It is completely untrue. Israel and the United States have such a close and co-operative intelligence relationship, especially in the field of counter-terrorism, that the assertion is ludicrous."

With the appointment of Meir Dagan, the new director of Israel's Mossad secret intelligence service, Sharon is preparing "a huge budget" increase for the spy agency as part of "a tougher stance in fighting global jihad (or holy war)," one Israeli official said. . . A former Israeli military intelligence source agreed: "What Sharon wants is a much more extensive and tough approach to global terrorism, and this includes greater operational maneuverability." Does this mean assassinations on the soil of allies? "It does," he said."

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Article can be found here:

Israel to kill in U.S., allied nations

By Richard Sale
UPI Intelligence Correspondent
From the Washington Politics & Policy Desk
Published 1/15/2003 4:50 PM

http://www.antiwar.com/upi/upi-israel.html

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There's a lot more to this than meets the eye. The program is being presented as a program to assassinate al Qaeda. That is the cover. The real targets were and are people like Chavez, Evo Morales, and even 'friendlies' like Rafiq Hariri who were killed on the premise that in the game of chess it is acceptable to sacrifice a knight in order to gain advantage, which in this case was to incriminate Hezbollah and Syria.

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Bush was strangely eager to have the UN investigate the presumed perpetrators of the Hariri assassination, while he showed his usual lack of interest in the UN investigating Bhutto's assassination.
It did seem odd.

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The Rangers were playing three with the Red Sox that weekend.

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Here's a thought. How about that anthrax attack, the investigation of which the FBI didn't even appear to try to terribly hard so seem convincing when their second choice was suicided?

CIA wouldn't have had anything to do with that, now would they?

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lots of interesting, suggestive riffs off the recently released info.

what interests me though is: what is the complete story regarding what Cheney approved and decided to keep hidden from Congress?

seems like the safest bet is to wait for more information about what may be a more complete and coherent version of what occurred or continues to be in play (b/c all we have to rely on is the word of Panetta--an admitted falsifier of information to the Congress).

problem is: if members of Congress were terrorized by Cheney and his crew surveilling and threatening them (whoever--remember Cheney personally shot a man in the face and didn't immediately report it, AND the man that was shot was the one who apologized) with assassinations, this information most likely will never come out, especially if they have no proof that the Program-in-question was indeed halted.

you shut up or we hit you and your whole family. love, dick.

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CIA hit men is old hat. We've been doing that even before Jason Bourne started doing it. The thing that got old Leon Pinata stirred up was our idea to replace the guys we killed with robots.

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I suspect the "no geographical limitations on the agency's actions" quote might be a bit grammatically vague. It doesn't necessarily suggest that the restriction against CIA ops inside the US has been removed. I'd be careful assuming we know more than we do at this point.

It's more likely this refers to operations in ostensibly neutral or friendly countries. Remember the debate about military strikes in Pakistan?

Not that this isn't still A Very Bad Thing, but I'd avoid the knee-jerk "CIA R BAD GUISE" assumption until we have a more detailed understanding.

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Andre:
What is more detailed than "no geographical limitations on the agency's actions"? And why would you "interpret" that to mean that it is limited to outside the USA?

What is it about the word "no" that you don't understand?
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John F. Kennedy, Jr.

November 25, 1960 – July 16, 1999

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/good-night-sweet-prince/

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And Harvey Korman (1927-2008)
http://www.hollywoodmemoir.com/harvey-korman

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I have just read TRANCE Formation of America by Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips.
(You can read an on-line version.)

I am nearly finished with Access Denied by the same couple.

I have also read Dr. Steven Jones and Neils Hammit's paper on nano-thermite (weapons grade thermite, tons of it used to melt steel at WTC as well as explosives) found in WTC dust.

Go to YOUTUBE and google their names, watch their tapes and download their papers.

Then and only then are you prepared to react to the title: CIA Assassin Program Could Operate Anywhere -- Even in the U.S.

ESPECIALLY in the U.S.

My brother just finished telling me a chilling story of a co-worker, years ago, a special ops marine who worked at the White House. When he was moved to Camp David the trouble began. He was in a bar one evening when it cleared out, his head was covered with a hood and he was thrown into the trunk of a car and taken to military camp where he was traumatized and trained as a CIA assassin along with 50 to 60 others.

I'm just a regular citizen. This information is blowing me away. (Google MK Ultra mind control program. You'll find out how our own citizens are used. MK Ultra is an old program, so whatever the CIA is using now is much more advanced.)

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Wow. This piece has really brought out the kooks. I'm surprised that no one brought up the CIA - Martian axis...

"No geographic limitations" simply does not entail operations inside the US. A Presidential Finding cannot override existing law, and the law is quite clear that CIA operations inside the US are forbidden. It's hard to believe that Roth doesn't know this, and this piece is a stain on the sterling job performed by TPM. Roth's deductive leap is, frankly, silly and, at best, deeply irresponsible.

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You're right, this piece really has brought out the kooks.

But it's not Roth's reasoning that is kooky. No geographical limitations implies alot. To be quite frank, given the former administration's wanton disregard for all other forms of the law, it's not a big stretch to imagine that they were engaging in such activities inside the United States.

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That's not a stretch at all.

No geographical limitations more than implies that the geographical borders of the USA are not limitations. It states it outright.
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