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Tea Party activists are reacting to the David McKalip setback with defiance and redoubled resolve -- as well as by comparing President Obama's health-care reform plans to slavery, and by attacking TPMmuckraker.

McKalip, a prominent Florida neurosurgeon and conservative activist, announced last week that he would withdraw from the public debate over health-care reform and step down from several medical leadership posts after TPMmuckraker revealed that he had forwarded to other Tea Partiers a racist email showing Obama as a witch doctor.

In a message written Sunday night to that same Tea Party list -- part of a group of emails obtained by TPMmuckraker -- Tea Partier Kathleen Waligore wrote, apparently referring to McKalip: "We lost a great freedom fighter this week," and added that she planned to "double my efforts to make up for our lost patriot." And she ripped the "liberal smear campaign" that exposed McKalip's email.

A few hours later, Barry Bench of Orlando, Florida similarly tried to rally the troops. Bench addressed his message to "Fellow Freedom Fighters and Infiltrators," writing: "The Good Dr made a tragic mistake and yes it is a bitter pill to swallow." He added that supporters of reform "wish to keep our nation going down this road into the darkness of Tyranny led only by the promise of the Plantation Owner."

And this morning, a Tea Partier named Merrylee weighed in with a message titled: "A Zachary Roth And MoveOn/Acorn Challenge." According to Merrylee, if health-care reform passes, Zachary Roth's "day of maturity will come as will his full realization this Bill was the biggest mistake in judgment in his life." She added: "I may or may not be around then, but Zachary Roth WILL remember my words."

Here's the full message from Waligore:

It's been a rough week and I am battle weary.

We lost a great freedom fighter this week and it makes me think:

Is this country that I love going in the right direction? If not, what am I willing to do about it? What am I willing to lose to keep my family's freedom?

I know everyone is busy and is engrossed in their family and work requirements. And I know that people are worried about losing their jobs. Me, too.

But what does this all mean if we don't have our freedoms? If you and I won't fight the battle, then who will?

This week, I witnessed the national liberal smear campaign in action. And I personally experienced physical assault while I was exercising my first amendment right.

People around me are telling me to step back and let someone else fight the fight. You are spending too much time on it. You are setting yourself up as a target. The other side is too powerful.

But I tell them and all that are trying to stop me:

-I am going to rest up (for a few hours) and fight harder
-I am going to double my efforts to make up for our lost patriot
-I am going to be smarter and know how to fight with the arguments
-I am going to remember everyday what is at stake: freedom and liberty can be wiped out with one vote
-I was a swing voter in a swing state: I am not anymore.
-This fight has shown me what is GREAT about this country and what I am willing to do to keep it that way.

Tomorrow, I will go to work and contact the blue dogs and take the fight to the streets to win the hearts and minds of the American people. After all, isn't it "we the people" that make this country great and can preserve it's greatness? I no longer ask why this job has fallen to me and other patriots.

But, I have to ask why aren't more people paying attention? Standing next to me? Why aren't more people taking to the streets like they did in Iran?

If we wait until a freedom is taken away, isn't it too late then? So what are you willing to do today to keep our freedom?

I hope you are willing to stand next to me.

Kathleen Waligore


Here's the one from Bench:

Fellow Freedom Fighters and Infiltrators.
We have lessons to learn and learn we will.
We have more failure and disappointments to come. I know this and accept this.
For we know this a fight; this is a battle; this is a war for the Soul of this Nation.

The Good Dr made a tragic mistake and yes it is a bitter pill to swallow.
I am saddened not for the cause for I know we will feel the Sting of failure again.
I am saddened not just for the DR, for I know there will be more to fall.
But we can, we must move forward.
Let us not go down to their level with something that can be turned against us again. Let us always seek to be careful not to fall into to those traps again.
For in this fight, yes in this fight we either win or we all and including those on the other side, we all lose.
I know full well they have the easy side on this fight.
For they too are fighting; they wish to keep our nation going down this road into the darkness of Tyranny led only by the promise of the Plantation Owner.
Oh yes they seek comfort of the charity of the master.
They seek the false hope of the empty promises.

No my friend they do not see the road that they travel has been traveled before.
They do not see that they are being used while the bonds of slavery begin to shackle there Liberties and Freedoms away. No No No they seek the easy way.
That my Brothers and Sisters; my Fellow Freedom Fighters is why we fight for not only us, but my friends we are fighting for them as well.

Those on the right side of this battle, mind you I said battle, we have taken are licks this week. But let us not shy away from the fight.
No let us not retreat, it was just one battle. There will be many more in this fight to save our country from those that which to take away from the Light of Liberty and the Warmth of Freedom.
The infiltrators have been at war with Liberty from within this country for 100 years.
But have no doubt; no DOUBT this battle will be long. Have no doubt it will be hard.

There are those on the other side that are caught up in the fervor of the moment. They do not fully appreciate what damage they will do.
To them it is the false promise of hand out that is free.
But we know; yes we know that the hand of the Master giving trivial offerings for the bondage of slavery that will undoubtedly come.
Our fight we carry forward not just for us or our side.
But my friends; my Brothers and Sisters, we fight for them too.

So my Fellow Freedom Fighters remember this, the enemy we are fighting are our brothers and sisters that have yet to be awakened to Freedom Plea and Liberty beckoning of hope. We must carry on and take the fight to them. We must pull each other up. We must not back down now. Let us clean our wounds, and learn these lessons.
We will have more lessons to come. Yes more lesson and bitter pills.
But my Friends we absolutely will carry on, WE WILL NOT BE STOPPED!

And for the infiltrator among our ranks, tell your friends we are the Freedom Fighters and we STAND HERE NOW UNITED MORE THAN EVER. We will not back away! WE ARE FREEDOM FIGHTERS not paid activist.

And here's the message from Merrylee:

A Zachary Roth and MoveOn/Acorn Challenge

I welcome dissenting opinion on the board. I hope Move On'ers, Acorns, and Roth will continue to browse our messages. The site should be a daily reading requirement because health care is not a left or right issue. Health care is an issue about the most personal part of all of our lives.

Zachary Roth is young from what I can tell. I suspect he isn't even 30 years old. He's a kid who has no concept of the full implications of this Bill. Should this Bill pass in its present form, his day of maturity will come as will his full realization this Bill was the
biggest mistake in judgment in his life. I may or may not be around then, but Zachary Roth WILL remember my words.

The Zachary Roth's are the "tomorrows" in life, but what he and many other young people don't realize, is a society needs its "yesterdays" to guide it. Without our "yesterdays", we lose our way and relive all the past mistakes of previous generations. The "yesterdays" are the anchors from which the "tomorrows" spring forward. Read Gibran, On Children. It's inspiring.

Therefore, if any of you lurkers are out there ( Move On, Acorn members or Zachary Roth), I would like to engage in a conversation with you. I welcome your response on this Board and will do so with respect for your opinions. I hope you will do likewise.

My first question is simple and one I ask often. This is the question that answers all questions within the two Bills before Congress. Yet it is this simple question, that I can't get an answer to. Perhaps Zachary or someone else out there can set me straight.

Why has Congress exempted themselves, their wives, and their childrens from the Health Care Bills they are passing for all Americans? What do they find objectionable within their own proposed Health Care Plan/Insurance Bills that makes their Plans unacceptable for themselves and their loved ones?

I respectfully await your response.
Merylee

In case you're wondering, Congress hasn't "exempted themselves, their wives, and their childrens" from any of the health-care reform bills being considered. Members of Congress get health care through their employer, and, like many other Americans, will presumably choose to keep their existing coverage. The entire concept of "exempted", implying that other Americans will be required to sign on for government-run health-care, suggests a basic misunderstanding of what's happening.

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July 28, 2009 12:45 PM   

Not only have Members not excluded themselves, they already have a public health care plan. What would really balance out the system is if the "public option" were tied to lawmakers' very own plan. Then we would see just how against government funded health care Republicans really are.

But yes, Zach, they truly see themselves as Freedom Fighting Revolutionaries!!

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July 28, 2009 2:14 PM    in reply to Chris

Right. Sign me up for the same public option that members of Congress enjoy.

No more, no less.

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July 28, 2009 3:04 PM    in reply to Chris

If they were to resign themselves to having the same health care as us 'little people', I'd be more inclined to have sympathy for the good congressmen :)

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July 29, 2009 12:49 PM    in reply to Chris

These "Tea Party" illiterates aren't merely in the bag. They couldn't breath without illustrated book and constant instruction.

They are PROFESSSIONALLY stupid.

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July 28, 2009 1:09 PM   

Not to worry, Teabaggers, the President will probably invite him to the White House for a beer. It'll have to wait until next week, though; the Crowley-Gates clusterfuck will be occupying the news cycles until the following Thursday.

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July 28, 2009 1:19 PM   

I can't decide if I'm a tomorrow or a yesterday. This weighs heavily on me.

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July 28, 2009 1:26 PM   

Wow, these guys really go for the flowery, over-the-top rhetoric, eh?

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July 28, 2009 1:33 PM    in reply to Spiff

Indeed. Quoting Kahlil Gibran is sure to go over big with Ms. Waligore's felloe travelers. "Wasn't he one a them Mooslem fellers?"

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July 28, 2009 1:34 PM    in reply to commie atheist

ER, "fellow." Dan Qualyle took over my brain for a second there.

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July 28, 2009 2:48 PM    in reply to commie atheist

There's been a lot of that going around lately (Dan Quayle raising his dumb head).

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July 28, 2009 5:55 PM    in reply to Spiff

here's some more dumb: http://tinyurl.com/lnccd4

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July 28, 2009 3:10 PM    in reply to Spiff

You are so right! I couldn't help but think how they sounded like they were really going for that 'Patrick Henry' feel. All for a cause that brings health to people and not business for a change.

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July 28, 2009 5:16 PM    in reply to Kelpie

Yeah, I was waiting for someone to start out with, "These are the times that try men's souls..."

What I am missing is this: just what freedom do these guys think they stand to lose? The freedom to be driven into medical bankruptcy? The freedom to pay exorbitant insurance rates because you're self-employed and have a pre-existing medical condition? The freedom to have to decide between buying medicine or buying food?

I don't get it. Seems to me the ability to get affordable health insurance regardless of what your employment status happened to be might give an awful lot of would-be entrepreneurs the freedom to strike out on their own, to follow their dreams and try being their own boss. No?

I'd say let a thousand flowers bloom, but that would only play into the socialism paranoia.

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July 28, 2009 11:57 PM    in reply to slb

Naw, they just don't want anyone to have the freedon to choose a public option.

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July 28, 2009 4:29 PM    in reply to Spiff

Spiff,

exactly what I was thinking as I read their posts, they wallow in the melodramatic; I half expected to hear The Battle Hymn of the Republic playing in the background.

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July 28, 2009 1:29 PM   

For they too are fighting; they wish to keep our nation going down this road into the darkness of Tyranny led only by the promise of the Plantation Owner...But we know; yes we know that the hand of the Master giving trivial offerings for the bondage of slavery that will undoubtedly come.

So Obama is a Plantation Owner/"Massah" now? How interesting.

I think a lot of what drives these people is the paranoid, irrational fear that the black usurper in the White House is going to treat white folks the way blacks were treated in this country from its founding until very recently (and in some cases, still are being treated) - as chattel. Look at the reaction to Gates incident - what, black people want the same right to be left alone in their homes as white (i.e. normal) people? Who do they think they are?

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July 28, 2009 1:32 PM   

Oh Zach. You young whippersnapper. You TOMORROW, you!

Golly, was there much ageism in that comment, or what??

I find it interesting that Teabaggers are contacting Blue Dogs. Perhaps someone should start asking BlueDoggers if they support the Teabaggers, and film the answers.

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July 28, 2009 1:39 PM   

You know another word for freedom fighter? Yeah. Terrorist. We lost a TERRORIST today.

*comments left in the key of wingnut*

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July 28, 2009 1:58 PM   

I an see flowery and insane rhetoric from my house!!!!!

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July 28, 2009 2:10 PM   

I'm deeply saddened by McKalip's withdrawal from the healthcare debate. Some people clearly fail to realize that when Democrats make racist comments, they are revealing their true nature. When Republicans do so, it's a misinterpreted comment that has nothing to do with how they truly feel.

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July 28, 2009 2:19 PM   

I am going to be smarter and know how to fight with the arguments

I am going to know how to fight with the grammars. I will; fight with the punctuations.

Let us not go down to their level with something that can be turned against us again. Let us always seek to be careful not to fall into to those traps again...
Oh no! They've figured out that those of us who want affordable, universal healthcare tricked that poor heroic doctor into sending a racist email. They are not going to fall for our traps again. Whatever will we do!!?
..they wish to keep our nation going down this road into the darkness of Tyranny led only by the promise of the Plantation Owner....
Sorry. False Alarm. Carry on with plan A.

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July 28, 2009 5:19 PM    in reply to boo_lala

Terrorist fist bumps atcha!

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July 28, 2009 2:31 PM   

WTF? Are these guys a modern-day version of the KKK? My guess would be that they simply want to bring Pres. Obama down. They (the above authors) don't care if it is at the expense of the majority.

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July 28, 2009 2:42 PM    in reply to retrophyt

Modern day version? They are the same old KKK we always knew. These bastards don't surprise me!

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July 28, 2009 4:39 PM    in reply to GTFOOH

GTFOOH,

I think you have a bunch of assholes who have been fighting all their lives to be picked for the team only to fail and fail again. Today they found other losers and they have banded together, and for the first time they all feel they belong, they they have finally been accepted, picked for the team.....

unfortunately its, In, group love; Out, group hate.

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July 28, 2009 2:40 PM   

If I put the following issues aside, which really make me want to point and laugh before dismissing them:
they are dramatic, paranoid, self-righteous and hypocritical (...and more... e.g., racist)...

I find myself left feeling angry.

Actual health advocacy organizations have been studying and pushing health care reform for decades specifically for *this* opportunity to improve our country and its health.

And these folks - who didn't organizationally exist 4 months ago - get to regurgitate Frank Luntz, Rick Scott and Heritage Foundation talking points and somehow get to "balance" much of the news coverage.

Thank you, TPM, for highlighting the depth of their pride. I only hope they learn a little humility from being exposed like this.

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July 28, 2009 2:43 PM   

The racist angle is so thinly disguised by these cretins. I am hardly Pollyanna but I'm astonished by the rampaging bigots and how deeply entrenched this destructive mindset is in modern America.
It's downright scary.

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July 28, 2009 5:28 PM    in reply to 714Day

I always knew there was a core of people like that in this country, but I always thought it was a tiny group. I, too, have been surprised that there are as many people willing to spew this stuff so publicly.

But maybe the increased willingness to show their bigotry so openly is that celebrities like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, and politicians like James Inhofe and Michelle Bachmann, and so-called journalists like Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs have made it OK to say hateful and nasty things in public.

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July 28, 2009 2:48 PM   

These people are so ready for a Demagogue of Their Own.

But who will it be?

My God the ignorance is astounding

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July 28, 2009 2:49 PM   

Kathleen Waligore asks:

But, I have to ask why aren't more people paying attention? Standing next to me? Why aren't more people taking to the streets like they did in Iran?

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and guess it's because she's out of her fucking mind.

She also asks "What am I willing to give up to maintain my family's freedom?" Can anyone explain to me what she's talking about? What freedom has she her family lost?

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July 28, 2009 2:58 PM    in reply to Orlando

I used to ask SFC Wallace, a strong Bush Baser and TPMer who has faded away, how the capture of Saddam increased his 'freedoms' in his home state of Georgia. He never responded.

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July 28, 2009 3:10 PM    in reply to NobleCommentDecider

It's because words like "freedom" and "liberty" sound good and make them feel ownership over the idea of "America". Most of them don't actually do any sort of critical comparative analysis of historical, political, and social trends to actually understand the terms. Fuck 'em. I'm tired of indulging their stupidity.

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July 28, 2009 4:33 PM    in reply to Orlando

Orlando,

she's referring to freedom to be a vacuous, phony, self-righteous, blowhard. She's probably a birther too.

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July 28, 2009 5:24 PM    in reply to JohnW1141

You might be right, but I think there's ample evidence that no one has restricted her freedom in that regard.

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July 28, 2009 2:49 PM   

I thought their freedoms were assured after their Messiah George W. sent thousands of Americans to their deaths to 'get' Saddam?

How could two terms of Bible thumping and freedom restoring and freedom protectin' and wars and killing and bombing and tax cuts for the rich fade away to tyranny so fast? bahhhh, wahhhh, wahhhhh.

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July 28, 2009 2:54 PM   

I'm confused...so Obama is the plantation owner in their analogy and he's turning white people into slaves? It's clear from that analogy this is more about whites unable to accept an African-American president than it is about the health care bill.

People who use slavery as a casual reference are obviously ignorant. Slaves were treated like animals, ripped away from their family at a young age and forced to work long hard days for no pay in miserable living conditions. Slavery was beatings, rapings and frequently killings. How can health care reform compare to the horrors of slavery? Only a white-supremist self-righteous idiot would compare the two.

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July 28, 2009 3:39 PM    in reply to Debra

Only a white-supremist self-righteous idiot would compare the two.

Bingo.

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July 28, 2009 3:01 PM   

He's definitely a freedom fighter. He's liberating people from common sense, intelligence and affordable health care. Fight on!

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July 28, 2009 3:04 PM   

What people seem to forget is the the republicans really have not change that much politically and philosophically since the party was founded in 1864.

Their Anti Slavery stance was more economic than moral. They were against slavery because they saw it as giving the slave states an unfair economic advantage.

Republicans have always been anti-governess and Laissez-faire and free market. The Bible thumping came much later.

C

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July 28, 2009 3:38 PM    in reply to cmaukonen

I think you meant that the Republican Party was founded in 1854.

That hardly invalidates your thesis, though.

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July 28, 2009 3:53 PM    in reply to cwnidog

Sorry...you are correct 1854.

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July 28, 2009 3:05 PM   

Gee, to read those messages you'd expect that there would be mobs of angry millions in Canada and Europe protesting the "biggest mistake of thier lives" when they had universal health care foisted upon them.

Funny how reality is the opposite. People in those countries wouldn't give up their health care systems for anything, and consider the U.S. example as something to be avoided at all costs.

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July 28, 2009 3:16 PM   

I don't care much about your arguments one way or another. I have an auto immune disease. i have been denied insurance and although it is not spelled out in the Bill of Rights I think that I am due the same rights as my congressman. The opportunity to purchase health Insurance !

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July 29, 2009 12:07 AM    in reply to workman586

You forget - Congressmen (and women) have you paying for their health insurance.
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July 28, 2009 3:18 PM   

The Repubs are like a group of lepers with broken legs who are yelling, "we don't need your crutches."

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July 29, 2009 6:50 AM    in reply to traitorjoe

"And you can keep your stimulus money too!"

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July 28, 2009 3:20 PM   

So, is TPM ready to "go to the mattresses"? :-)

The infiltrators have been at war with Liberty from within this country for 100 years.

OK. I give up. Who are these 100-year old "infiltrators"?

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July 28, 2009 3:26 PM    in reply to theWalrus

Bolsheviks, Jew Banker Bolsheviks!

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July 28, 2009 4:05 PM    in reply to Bat Guano

Actually the NAACP just celebrated their 100 anniversary in fighting for the civil rights of all Americans


Considering that, the 100 year infiltrator comment, exposes them for being the racists they are.

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July 29, 2009 12:52 PM    in reply to theWalrus

What more evidence do you need that they can't count backward past 100?

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July 28, 2009 3:26 PM   

These people are so funny. They really imagine themselves manning the ramparts against the left.
For a good laugh, go here http://www.the912project.com/ and click on the Vent page. These people think they are the next Patrick Henry and John Adams. Some of these people would probably be classified as terrorists or traitors calling for an armed insurrection but for the most part they are ill-informed shut-ins.

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July 28, 2009 3:30 PM   

How will the option of a government health care system take away any US citizen's freedom? (It WILL take away the "freedom" of health insurance giants to screw over their customers . . . if that's what they are so concerned about perhaps they should be working to get rid of OSHA and the FDA too.)

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July 28, 2009 5:36 PM    in reply to illlich

. . . if that's what they are so concerned about perhaps they should be working to get rid of OSHA and the FDA too.

Where have you been that you think they haven't been working that angle, too?

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July 28, 2009 3:35 PM   

This is why we need the stimulus to work faster: get these cranks jobs so they can have less time ranting about politics and retrofitting their 3-cornered hats with beer holders and NASCAR stickers.

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July 28, 2009 3:48 PM   

Demagogues, looking desparately for a cause, any cause, if only they could just figure out how to explain it right. Demagogues, angry and crazy and just trying to put it all together into a cause that makes sense. In the meantime, let's use vague flowery, phony historical, bullshit rhetoric. And talk like we're all revolutionary war heroes or something.

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July 28, 2009 3:54 PM   

The best way for me to explain it is - they won (and I use the term loosely) the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections with a cowboy with probably the least ability to handle the job in 150 years, so they thought they were invincible. When they were trounced in the last election, denial set in. It is now so important to them to get that power back that they will oppose anything Obama does. If Obama had not bailed out GM and they survived bankruptcy, Limpbaugh would have told them to buy American and they would be on the opposite side of that argument. They don't stand for anything, except the opposite of what progressives stand for. They wait to see what Progressives stand for, then oppose it.

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July 28, 2009 4:00 PM   

I can't help wondering though, if their paranoia and fixation on freedom and unstable emotional state is somehow born of sever child abuse when growing up.

C

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July 28, 2009 4:01 PM   

I have to ask why aren't more people paying attention? Standing next to me?

Because you're a loon?

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July 28, 2009 4:05 PM   

What I find hilarious is that, in their spectacular ignorance they have no idea that the Revolutionary War was supported by something like five percent of the population of this country. If these cretins had been around they would not have been patriots or whatever wackiness they see themselves as. They would have been supporting King George and calling anyone else names. They think they and they alone own the America they really despise and are trying to destroy.

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July 28, 2009 5:43 PM    in reply to eve cairo

Well, it was a little more than 5 percent, but you're right that it was a minority.

John Adams estimated that about a third of the country were Patriots, a third were Tories and the remaining third were sitting on the sidelines waiting to see which side would prevail.

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July 28, 2009 4:14 PM   

Freedom fighter?

Fighting against women's freedom to choose.

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July 28, 2009 4:20 PM   

"Freedom fighter" my ass!

Starting with Washington's army, and continuing with me and millions of others who joined the service in the early 40s, and the millions of others that have been doing that ever since, they're your "freedom fighters" not these assholes who probably do all they can to keep out of the service, especially in wartime.

Next they'll be calling him a hero.

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July 28, 2009 7:56 PM   

I like the new pic of McKalip. Is that an outake from the Mel Gibson/Heath Ledger "The Patriot"?

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July 29, 2009 2:34 AM   

I know dozens of people, self included, who could have written Waligore's letter, word for word (with one exception) when Cindy Sheehan walked away from the fight for a while.

These guys see Obama the way we saw Junior Bush.

Of course, we've got evidence of Junior's lies, and the actual record of the Junior Administration to support our attitude, not a fantasy about foreign birth and a hatred of them darkies...

Remember, if you walk a mile in their shoes, you're a mile away from them...and you've got their shoes!

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July 29, 2009 2:52 AM   

I'd love to hear Shatner read those letters. A real hoot before he adds his inimitable style.

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July 29, 2009 2:55 AM   

Also: the typos and incoherence are mind-numbing.

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July 29, 2009 9:22 AM   

I love the epithets these folks use against TPMers. A woman on a forum I belong to, when I posted a link to a blog post here (not a Zach Roth, though) said "He's a BLOGGER! He has no journalistic credentials!" and it didn't occur to her that of course, she is a blogger too, and has no journalistic credentials. But I guess it's okay if you're elderly enough, that makes up for it.

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July 29, 2009 12:58 PM   

"McKalip, a prominent Florida neurosurgeon and conservative activist,"

Corrected to bring it into conformity with reality:

"McKalip, a[n embarrassed] Florida neurosurgeon and conservative [loon],"

There, I feel better now.

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July 29, 2009 1:00 PM   

I doubt "Bench" would have time to compose that "Imagined-Great American Speech" if not for the unemployment benefits.

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July 29, 2009 1:05 PM   

"Health care is an issue about the most personal part of all of our lives." -- Merrylee.

Then why are you making a public fool of yourself?

YOU pay for the health care provided to Congress members. YOU OPPOSE YOU getting that SAME SUPERIOR health care, based upon a fool's nonsensical gibberish.

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July 30, 2009 5:10 PM   

Isn't it amazing how the most unpatriotic people in this country love to call themselves patriots?

I truly believe these people are filled with rage and hatred because they can't face the progress being made in this country. We have a black President and I am proud of our nation. I am also white and southern.

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July 30, 2009 5:25 PM   

They reject the party, when others out thoughout.

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