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Who Will Torture Probe Look At? Justice Dept. Won't Say


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There's a critical unanswered question about the torture investigation -- or "preliminary review" announced yesterday by Attorney General Eric Holder. And the Justice Department doesn't seem eager to clear it up.

Who, exactly, is to be investigated?


In his statement announcing the appointment of a special prosecutor, John Durham, Holder said that the probe would consider "whether federal laws were violated in connection with the interrogation of specific detainees at overseas locations."

He also made clear that people "who acted in good faith and within the scope of the legal guidance given by the Office of Legal Counsel regarding the interrogation of detainees" would not be prosecuted.

So that would seem to leave only those CIA personnel -- both employees and contractors -- who overstepped OLC's legal advice.

But what about the OLC lawyers themselves, like John Yoo and Jay Bybee, who provided that advice? Almost every independent expert agrees that Yoo et al. approved activities that went way beyond what's legal. And what about the senior Bush officials, including Dick Cheney, who drew up the policies in the first place?

Holder's reference to "the interrogation of specific detainees at overseas locations" suggests that those Bushies will escape Durham's scrutiny. On the other hand, nothing in Holder's statement explicitly rules out looking at them if the investigation leads that way.

When TPMmuckraker asked the Justice Department for clarification, a spokeswoman evaded the question, telling us: "The [Office of Professional Responsibility] report that has been much discussed covers the OLC lawyers -- at least in their role as attorneys and professional conduct." She did not respond to a follow up asking specifically about the mandate for Durham's investigation.

It's not hard to understand why the Justice Department might be evasive on this. On the one hand, it can't allow Republicans to portray the probe as a partisan witch-hunt designed merely to go after political opponents. But that the same time, it can't explicitly announce that, for political reasons, Durham's hands will be tied from the start, in terms of who he can and can't investigate. Hence the calculated ambiguity.

Still, we're not the only ones who are concerned about the issue. A number of leading Democrats -- including House Judiciary chair John Conyers and Senator Russ Feingold -- yesterday issued statements that applauded Holder for opening the review, but urged him not to limit its scope only to low-level CIA personnel.

Who the investigation looks at is a key question. It seems likely that DOJ will have to offer a bit more on this eventually.

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August 25, 2009 4:52 PM   

Ooh, ooh, ooh! Pick me, pick me!! I have the answer: All the wrong people?

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August 25, 2009 5:34 PM   

Like everything coming out of the US Government lately, the listing of the names of those to be investigated is heavily redacted.

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August 25, 2009 7:12 PM   

Taking all bets: on what day of what month will the prosecution officially take on a life of its own?

Evidence will lead to the decision-makers. If the prosecutor takes it to a panel of Judges, they could authorize an expansion of the probe. Unfortunately, we need a Ken Starr, less the sniveling.

I set down 30 quatloos on January 13th, 2010. 10am. The weather will be brisk.

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August 25, 2009 8:57 PM   

Time for Cheney to face the music. His concern for the men and women of the CIA is about as real as the Bush/Cheney concern was for our troops when they sent them to Iraq. He is only diverting attention from his crimes. There is a related post at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?page_id=588

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August 25, 2009 10:47 PM   

"...people "who acted in good faith and within the scope of the legal guidance given by the Office of Legal Counsel regarding the interrogation of detainees" would not be prosecuted".

Isn't it interesting that, after 230 years, the only thing preventing murder, rape, nuclear warfare, (fill in your own attrocity) from becoming legal and unpunishable, is the choice of legal counsel.

The spirit of the law has come and gone. The only thing that matters now is the spirit and desires of those in power. History is meaningless. Civilization, ethical standards, morality... all mean nothing.

Get into power... hire your attorney thugs.... rule the world without being bounded by accountability.

So is our presidential powers today..... nothing less than a dictator would want.

And "We the Voters" have done it to ourselves by choosing one of two teams run by greed and power rather than patriotism for enough cycles they have become rulers... and have little need for us anymore. IMHO

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August 25, 2009 11:08 PM   

We should not complain about this. It is a start and much better than what we could expect from anyone else who might possibly be elected in this time.

Think of the potential defendants in this case and the arguments they will raise, the evidence that will be disclosed, to show that what WAS authorized was in itself illegal.

I think this is a sound move on Holder's part on many levels. As Marioth indicates, it seems to me that "evidence will lead to the decision-makers."

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August 26, 2009 3:55 PM   

As Glen Greenwald and others have pointed out, Holder's starting premise; that the Bybee/Yoo memos made interrogators' actions legally valid, is fatally flawed. If your first step is down the wrong path how can you not get loster and loster?

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August 26, 2009 5:08 PM   

It's driving be BATSH!T that the media keeps harping on whether or not the torture actually produced actionable intelligence. Even if it did (seems that's doubtful) - SO WHAT? Is that the law? We can torture if it produces results? NO! Then EVERYone would do it. The point is that *doing it at all* is wrong - irrespective of whether or not information is gained.

WHY is this point getting lost?

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August 27, 2009 7:33 AM    in reply to earnest_truthseeker

Because the corporate media is controlled and complicit in many crimes of state:

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/black-box/

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August 27, 2009 7:40 AM   

When the digging begins, the root question will emerge:

Why was it necessary to torture "confessions" out of suspects in the "War on Terror"?

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/torture-and-911/

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September 1, 2009 10:26 AM    in reply to furey

Especially since they were willing to talk until that torture began.

Then they shut up.

So, what was the "value" of torture?
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