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A new birther infomercial running on a CBS affiliate in Texas and elsewhere around the country tells viewers a "got a birth certificate?" bumper sticker can be theirs for the low price of $30.

The 28-minute program -- quite possibly the first ever birthermercial -- features community access production values, heavy use of foreboding strings soundtrack, and standard-issue Birther ideology.

For a $30 contribution, viewers also get a fax sent in their name to the 50 state attorneys general and Attorney General Eric Holder demanding that President Obama produce his real birth certificate.

Here's the TPMtv highlight reel of the infomercial:

(The full program is here.)

One of the men behind the infomercial is attorney Gary Kreep, executive director of the Ramona, CA-based Birther group United States Justice Foundation. He told TPMmuckraker in an interview today that the initial buy was for two and half weeks at TV stations around the country, and he's now looking into a second round buy. He says he'll give us a list of stations playing the infomercial.

One of them is CBS affiliate KLBK in Lubbock, Texas. That's where Lubbock resident Jim Schermbeck saw the infomercial last night at around 12:30 a.m., after The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson, he tells TPMmuckraker. A scheduler at the station confirmed to us that the infomercial is running, but the employee in charge of paid programming did not immediately return our calls.

In its first week on the air, the infomercial generated "something like 1500 to 2000 faxes," Kreep says. The money goes to the price of the faxes and to the cost of airing the program, with any extra money going to the United States Justice Foundation.

(As a side note, it's worth noting that Kreep is currently engaged in an intra-movement feud with the pioneering Birther attorney Orly Taitz.)

The program was produced by LivePrayer.com, a Web site affiliated with Bill Keller, a fundamentalist Christian minister who also hosts the infomercial.

Imprisoned in the late 1980s after an insider trading conviction, Keller later committed his life to God, attended Liberty University in Virginia, and founded Bill Keller Ministries, according to his bio. LivePrayer.com was "founded for the sole purpose of having a site on the internet where people can go 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for prayer."

Besides being a forum for prayer requests, LivePrayer.com features the Birther infomercial and a "False Hope" program advertised with a picture of Obama crudely photoshopped next to Hitler. Keller has called Islam a "false religion that follows a false god that will lead them to eternal condemnation."

In the infomercial, Keller promises late-night viewers a "special look at where Barack Hussein Obama was really born."

"Today, you could join hundreds of thousands of other Americans and force President Obama to produce his birth certificate [*foreboding string music*]."

Between interviews with Kreep, Keller repeatedly asks viewers to add their name to "a petition going to GOP leaders to force President Obama to obey the law."

"As a thank you," he says, "you will receive a specially created, 'got a birth certificate?' bumper sticker."

A logo on the screen during the infomercial features the outlines of the United States, the state of Hawaii, and the continent of Africa, with the red-white-and-blue-colored words "Where was PRESIDENT Obama BORN?"

Kreep comes off as a considerably calmer, more self-controlled figure than his Birther rival Taitz. But he clearly feels irritated after being shut out by the mainstream media.

"The vast majority of the media doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to admit when they're wrong. They're all a bunch of cowards," Kreep says, praising Rush Limbaugh's crack that God and Obama are alike because neither one has a birth certificate.

Keller ends the program this way: "Thank you for watching this very special presentation. This is a legitimate issue. Don't let people tell you otherwise. If the man was not born in Hawaii as he claims, he is not legally president."

If you've seen the infomercial in Texas or elsewhere, let us know.

Late Update: April Morehead, who deals with paid programming at Texas CBS affiliate KLBK, confirms to TPMmuckraker the infomercial ran last night, and says it will run again Sunday at 1 a.m. United States Justice Foundation paid $100 per airing. Morehead said the station doesn't show programs with sexually or racially derogatory content, and the station saw no problems with the birthermercial.

Late Late Update: Group behind birthermercial says it's running in seven states across the South.

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September 25, 2009 2:47 PM   

First Orly Taitz. Now Gary Kreep. It's like Thomas Pynchon is coming up with these names.

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September 25, 2009 2:52 PM    in reply to pinson

Yeah, seriously. Who's behind this birtherism, anyway? The nefarious Yoyodyne?

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September 25, 2009 4:34 PM    in reply to jerryfatheart

Folks, I think we've found Sasha Baron-Cohen's next project.

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September 28, 2009 2:57 PM    in reply to mcc

All I know is that for $100, I am going to start airing some infomercials in Texas.

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September 25, 2009 5:26 PM    in reply to jerryfatheart

Perhaps it was Benjamin Dover?

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September 25, 2009 6:04 PM    in reply to jerryfatheart

That's cute. However, the "anti-birthers" are implicitly claiming that the MSM has told them the truth about this issue. So, in an attempt to lift this page above the cute level, let me point out that CNN's president and their researchers got a basic, easy-to-understand, cut-and-dried fact about this issue wrong. And, here's an example of CNN and the NYT trying to mislead you about the basic, easy-to-understand, cut-and-dried fact of this issue.

Now, just because CNN got something wrong and tried to deceive their viewers doesn't mean that BHO was born on Mars. However, it does mean that you should evaluate what you've been told about this issue rather than being a "Faither".

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September 25, 2009 6:06 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

Oops: the links are reversed; click the second to see the bit about the researchers, and click the first for the bit about CNN deceiving you.

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September 25, 2009 11:09 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

Your name is a sterling example of truth in advertising.

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September 25, 2009 11:42 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

To pinson's point, is your real name Saul D. Mite, Moufal O. Cocknballs, or Rick Santorum? Inquiring minds want to know.

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September 26, 2009 12:31 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

Obama was born in the US, so before you attack me please don't accuse me of disputing that reality.

Now, attack me for the belief that Obama perpetuates this nonsense by not authorizing the State of Hawaii release further copies of the Certificate of Live birth to Fox news, the Wall Street Journal and whoever else is willing to pay for it. There is no doubt that some people will never believe the truth even with independent documentation, but others will.

Maybe the "birther" shit does as much to rally Obama's base as it does the other side? As long as people are focused on irrelevancies they won't concentrate on issues that matter. It's hard to understand the real reason this issue isn't put to rest.

Flame away.

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September 26, 2009 1:49 PM    in reply to asdf

The thinking may be not to give the birthers any sense of legitimacy or power by giving into them. Engaging them in any fashion gives them too much, even though it refutes them.

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September 27, 2009 10:28 AM    in reply to acf_ma

The WH can make the authorization with no fanfare during a Friday news dump on a busy news day, and not engage the subject at all. Simply give some of the icons of fake news access, without interviews, then drop it. How do you think Lou Dobbs would cover the issue once he can't pretend he believes it anymore?

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September 26, 2009 8:38 PM    in reply to asdf

As a former Hawaiian resident I can tell you the birth certificate that is online is indeed an official Hawaiian birth certificate. My niece, born in Hawaii has the very same type of birth certificate that is online for Obama does. In fact, the Republican governor has explicitly stated that the on-line birth certificate is their legal birth certificate of the State of Hawaii. I smell a whole lot of politics and racism in this doscussion. What a sad commentary on our country's racist legacy.

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September 27, 2009 10:24 AM    in reply to mJJ

No doubt about it, but that's not my point. If Obama would agree to let certified copies out to major nut wing media outlets only the fringest birthers would be left. Your average nut can't believe the Republican government of the State of Hawaii is in on the fake president conspiracy. The pettiness that perpetuates this is beneath the president.

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September 27, 2009 10:23 PM    in reply to mJJ

mJJ must think you're stoopid:

1. Who knows who mJJ is and its credibility? How can anyone trust anything it says?
2. Even if mJJ's niece exists and even if her cert looks like the one that BHO has put online, that doesn't mean that the information on BHO's picture is accurate. mJJ and his niece (if she even exists) have no way of verifying that.
3. As pointed out by me twice already on this page, HI's governor has never verified that BHO was born there. mJJ is lying.
4. To cap it off, mJJ plays the race card.
Maybe TPM could let us know whether mJJ is a sockpuppet of some kind.

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September 26, 2009 10:08 PM    in reply to asdf

What or who the fug is FAUX news?!?!?!??! Chris Matthews from MSNBC had a copy of the birth certificate, which is certified by the state of Hawaii, that FAUX news can get like everyone else, but we know that won't satisfy you "morans."

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September 27, 2009 10:34 AM    in reply to AhTrini1

If Faux received their copy of the Certificate directly from the State of Hawaii it would take the wind out of their sails. They would next have to explain how, and why, the State created fake documents on behalf of the government.

Certainly, not all birthers would then go away, but it would silence the ones who pretend to be sane.

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September 28, 2009 11:00 AM    in reply to asdf

Your key phrase: "further copies." Nuff said.

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September 25, 2009 5:32 PM    in reply to pinson

This whole thing is getting benny profane, in my opinion.

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September 26, 2009 8:25 PM    in reply to pinson

Yes, the name, Creep. What an apt description of this guy. Although we might correctly add racist creep and that would even be a bit more descriptive of this guy and his minions. I find it most amazing that some Christian groups in the country is pushing this meme. Well, one would use the descriptive "Christian" in it's loosest form. It would haver to represent their description of themselves but surely does not cvomport with Biblicval ideals. Poor, poor hate-filled folks!

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September 25, 2009 2:47 PM   

Kreep....how appropriate!

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September 25, 2009 2:48 PM   

Putting this bumper sticker on your car is the equivalent of having "idiot" tatooed on your forehead.

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September 25, 2009 3:01 PM    in reply to KF

I have seen one of these bumper stickers in the parking lot at work. Interestingly enough, we share a parking lot with Michelle Bachmann's husband's counseling business. No joke.

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September 25, 2009 3:04 PM    in reply to KF

Ohh great idea. Lets convince them to get where is your birth certificate tattoos so they can run around like all the guys from the 80's with the Superman tattoos like Bon Jovi had.

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September 25, 2009 3:35 PM    in reply to KF

No, actually it's like having "Moran," tatooed on your forehead.

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September 25, 2009 6:45 PM    in reply to KF

idiot on your face and your name on 51 lists, to every state attorney general and to Eric Holder...
now why would the birthers want their names on lists available to just about everyone?

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September 25, 2009 2:52 PM   

Kreep appears to be the mostest apropos-named infomercialist ever, as well as John Bolton's twin brother.

Nice.


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September 25, 2009 3:02 PM    in reply to jolly ranchero

Never a more apropos name. A slugfest between him and Orly would be worth selling popcorn for. Perhaps he could get his twin brother John Bolton and she could get her twin sister Laura Schlesinger in a tag-team bare-knuckle bout.

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September 25, 2009 2:58 PM   

Why is Africa all red in the infomercial?

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September 27, 2009 1:05 PM    in reply to theWalrus

Red is the clor of Mother Russia as per the crying pshcho beck, who BTW couldn't answer "what is White culture", when asked the question - which came from a viewer- by Katie Couric. All he could do is accuse Couric of trying a gotcha question, LMAO, dumb arse...

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September 25, 2009 2:59 PM   

I like Tom "shake yer booty" Delay's demand better: "Where's Obama's gift certificate?"

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September 25, 2009 3:06 PM   

Looks like some of the real con super brains at work to hit new, even greater depths of supidity.
Where is roveroolala when he is really needed?
btw: get me 10 of them good'ol "got a birth certificate" bumper stickers. We want all them aliens to know we are on top of this!
jeeeeeeeeez
Just wondering but: are there like real major issues going on now or is this just content for the news starved media??

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September 25, 2009 3:24 PM   

I'm sure the folks who pushed for the advertiser boycott of the Glenn Beck show would be happy to work their magic again.

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September 25, 2009 3:31 PM   

I know this guy, Gary Kreep.
He has been into religious wingnut agitation for a very long time.

Pro-Minuteman. Anti-Clinton.
Anti-Abortion.

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September 25, 2009 3:33 PM   

Just when you though it couldn't get any weirder.... The Kreeps keep coming....

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September 25, 2009 3:37 PM   

And if you act now, they'll throw in a set of glow-in-the-dark Dead Sea Scroll steak knives.

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September 26, 2009 10:35 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Holy cow, that was funny!

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September 25, 2009 3:38 PM   

You know it hit me that what this stuff is is just a bunch of people like Palin, Limbaugh and their ilk who have realized that there is a base of ignorant folks who will pay them money for any craziness that they can spew. The crazier it is, the more money they can fleece from the uneducated. The Snake oil salesmen have morphed!!!

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September 25, 2009 3:54 PM    in reply to waywuwei

Mr Coulter has had that gig for years.

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September 25, 2009 5:27 PM    in reply to mc mark

Indeed, that's pretty much the story of the entire Wingnut Media Content Industrial Complex. They have an inexhaustible appetite for reading, seeing and hearing other people tell them things they already fervantly believe. When you live in a counter-factual alternate reality, you must constantly reinforce it with daily influxes of new faux-facts lest actual reality intrude and bring the whole flimsy construct crashing down on your head.

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September 25, 2009 3:52 PM   

I want a bumpersticker that reads "We'll show you the birth certificate (again!) if you show us your IQ test!

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September 25, 2009 4:10 PM   

When I first saw this guy's picture and his name underneath, I honestly thought this was another SNL skit.

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September 25, 2009 5:15 PM    in reply to KZ

So did I. And after reading that it's for real, I truly wish we had been correct.

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September 25, 2009 5:36 PM    in reply to KZ

"No matter how cynical you get, it is impossible to keep up."
— Lily Tomlin

SNL's Tina Fey incorporated verbatim some of Palin's interview with Katie Couric, and it was considered cutting edge satire.

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September 26, 2009 9:55 AM    in reply to KZ

Exactly. After I watched as much of it as I could I called the 800 number and told the woman who answered that it was the funniest thing I'd ever seen. She wouldn't engage, only saying this was the call center to take orders and I'd have to call KKKreep's HQ to talk. She asked if I wanted a bumper sticker and I said no thanks. I should have asked if I could get one for free but I forgot.

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September 25, 2009 4:24 PM   

I'm a little puzzled by one thing that no one seems to point out to the Birthers: The Constitution does not require being born in this country, it says "natural born citizen." U.S. Cons. Art II, Clause 5. Since 1790, "natural-born" includes children of U.S. parents born anywhere in the world. Here's a quote from the findlaw.com website:

All Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence. The only issue with regard to the qualifications set out in this clause, which appears to be susceptible of argument, is whether a child born abroad of American parents is "a natural born citizen" in the sense of the clause. Such a child is a citizen as a consequence of statute. Whatever the term "natural born" means, it no doubt does not include a person who is "naturalized." Thus, the answer to the question might be seen to turn on the interpretation of the first sentence of the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment, providing that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States" are citizens. Significantly, however, Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization act of 1790 that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens. . ." This phrasing followed the literal terms of British statutes, beginning in 1350, under which persons born abroad, whose parents were both British subjects, would enjoy the same rights of inheritance as those born in England; beginning with laws in 1709 and 1731, these statutes expressly provided that such persons were natural-born subjects of the crown. There is reason to believe, therefore, that the phrase includes persons who become citizens at birth by statute because of their status in being born abroad of American citizens. Whether the Supreme Court would decide the issue should it ever arise in a "case or controversy" as well as how it might decide it can only be speculated about.

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September 25, 2009 4:49 PM    in reply to Dean L. Surkin

I can tell you don't understand the right wing nut jobs very well. These idiots probably think Obama was delivered by Cesarean section and therefor not natural and are looking for hospital records to prove it.

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September 25, 2009 4:53 PM    in reply to Dean L. Surkin

Facts mean nothing to these folks. Nothing will change their minds. They don't want the truth.

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September 25, 2009 5:29 PM    in reply to Dean L. Surkin

The same question came up concerning John McCain, who was born on a US military base in the Panama Canal zone. A US military base is NOT US soil, but he is considered to be eligible anyway.

But really, arguing logic with these nuts is like arguing logic with a horse.

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September 25, 2009 6:39 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Or a dining room table.

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September 26, 2009 2:31 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Actually, McCain was not born on a military post. He was born in a hospital in Colon in Panama. How do we know that? He provided a copy of his original birth certificate.
Didn't the NY Times run a few front page articles on the topic? But nary a word on BHO.
Interestingly enough, the non-binding resolution passed in the senate (not a law as you suggested) declared McCain was a natural born citizen because his parentS (both parents!) were US citizens.
BHO, on the other hand, only has one parent who was a citizen. His father was here on a student visa from Kenya which makes BHO a British citizen at birth.

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September 27, 2009 1:19 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

Dumb arse; he was born on the soil of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA; regadrless if his father was born on Mars, and thus, until you racist "morans" change the laws because too many brown people are now being born on the soil of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA; he is a natural born citizen of UNITED STATES of AMERICA, and thus is legitimately President Barack HUSSEIN Obama; get the fug over it.

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September 25, 2009 6:17 PM    in reply to Dean L. Surkin

You are a birther neophyte! It goes like this: If you are born outside the U.S. and neither of your parents has lived in the U.S. for five years preceding their 19th birthday, you are not considered to be a natural born citizen. Since Obama's mother was not quite 19 when he was born, she would not have been residing in the U.S. for five years (with or without the Hawaii twist, because Hawaii wasn't a state until 1959) and therefore, if he were born in Kenya -- or any other country -- he wouldn't be a natural born U.S. citizen.

The law is basically meant to avoid a kind of "in perpuity" granting of citizenship for people who have never had contact with the U.S. So, if your mom, a citizen, moves to Mexico as an adult, you will still be a citizen upon birth, but if you don't live in the U.S. in the five years before you turn 19, your children won't be citizens, unless at some later point you return and they are naturalized. So the law has a legitimate purpose, but it's not being sanely applied here.

Because Obama wasn't born in Kenya. I mean, Honolulu via BOAC to Nairobi circa 1961? Give me a break. I looked it up and it takes three days even now and there are only two airlines that would do it.

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September 25, 2009 9:58 PM    in reply to Dean L. Surkin

To be eligible for POTUS three qualifiers: 1. natural born citizen 2. resident here 14 years and 3. 35 years old.
Yes, Natural born citizen is not defined.

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September 26, 2009 9:06 AM    in reply to Dean L. Surkin

Way too many words strung together there. It would really help if you'd stage an "interview" to deliver this information.

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September 26, 2009 9:11 AM    in reply to Dean L. Surkin

Hey, hold it right there! It says "children of citizens," not "children of citizen". Gotcha! But even if we accept the more librul interpretation, we'll be needing to see Barry's mother's birth certificate just to make sure.

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September 27, 2009 1:24 PM    in reply to Official A

Where the fug is your mother's birth certificate, and it better have the hospital listed on it!

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September 25, 2009 4:25 PM   

LivePrayerCom says they're a 501(c)(3) non-profit. They shouldn't be engaging in political activities.

http://www.liveprayer.com/about.cfm

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September 25, 2009 5:48 PM    in reply to cobwebhead

:o @ that website.

This Bill Keller has a video up labeled "Oprah WInfrey debate with Bill Keller of LivePrayer."

It consists of Keller 'responding' to clips of Oprah, apparently taken from her show - complete with 'cutaways' from Oprah to show Keller nodding as Oprah speaks.

It's beyond ridiculous.

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September 25, 2009 4:52 PM   

Just the way he looks is cracking me up. It looks like an early SNL skit with Dan Akroyd pretending to be some know it all blowhard.

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September 25, 2009 6:33 PM    in reply to eve cairo

Gee, I think he looks more like Martin Mull.

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September 25, 2009 7:20 PM    in reply to cwnidog

lol Martin Mull was my first thought too.

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September 25, 2009 5:02 PM   

I love the way he keeps challenging the idea that Barak Obama can legally be considered the President by repeatedly referring to him as...President Obama.

What a rube.

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September 25, 2009 5:14 PM   

It's Texas, home of everything you don't want your life/country. Did we expect any better?

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September 25, 2009 5:57 PM    in reply to Kuyleh

Don't assume Texas is full of wingnuts (although, there certainly ARE quite a few). I live in Texas, and in the cities (Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso) Obama has broad support.

Unfortunately, Texas is so damn BIG, the rural wingnuts (like those in the smaller towns like Lubbock and Amarillo) tend to outweigh, numbers wise, even the more open and progressive minded of us that live in the cities.

For example, in the last election for governor, our embarrasment for a Gov Perry did not even get a majority.

And the Texas House is Republican. But only by 1 vote.

So we're trying down here. Its just tough. VERY tough.

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September 26, 2009 12:28 AM    in reply to willia451

I was born in Galveston, grew up a bit north of Houston and spent a few years on Ft. Hood. So I speak of the loony from experience. I know there is a decent bit of sanity there, but...If only it ever made the news, you know?

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September 25, 2009 5:17 PM   

Also, did anyone else notice that LivePrayerCom's address is 6660? Irony.

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September 25, 2009 5:24 PM   

I think the Onion staff may as well take its Web site down and torch their offices. This has not only killed satire, it's driven a stake through its heart, cremated it and scattered the ashes to the four winds.

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September 25, 2009 5:29 PM    in reply to Metzengerstein

A moment of silence, please, for our departed friend Satire.

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September 25, 2009 5:27 PM   

Wow, what a story!

Birthers, Orly Taitz, Liberty U, infomercials and insider trading all in one!

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September 25, 2009 5:31 PM   

I agree...the name says it all: Kreep. Sure he doesn't see the irony.

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September 25, 2009 5:33 PM   

Kreep is obviously Mike Myers in funny makeup.

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September 25, 2009 5:49 PM   

in all fairness - this is a classic snake-oil pitch, not unlike the 'silver ring thing' and other get-rich-quick scams. In this, they're asking for $30 each to send a fax and get a bumper sticker. The return on that has to be at least $29.00 profit for every $30 of income. Its nothing more than a refined carnival trick, really.

(the "silver ring thing" is an earlier variation - they get churches to pay for and throw these huge "abstinence education" events, where the company pressures everyone there to drop $20 on a $0.50 ring... oh, the kids typically get a VD too, but that extra bonus comes a year or two later!)

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September 25, 2009 6:08 PM    in reply to dal

You hit it on the head. This is a con game run on rubes, dumb rubes. Running in cheaper advertising markets. Simply mathematical pay-off.
I think you can buy fax machines for $30.00 now.

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September 25, 2009 7:39 PM    in reply to Msinformed

It's telling that in the video, they show someone affixing the bumper sticker to a bumper. Without such step-by-step instructions, the people who send in their money might get confused and affix the sticker to their chests instead.

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September 25, 2009 5:54 PM   

ok, so rush limbaugh is the only member of the media with the "intestinal fortitude" to take on the issue because .....


..... wait for it .......


.... he once told a birther joke on his show.

i'm sure paeans to his valor are already being written.

i can't tell who's working harder: rush pinching off a joke for birther cred or kreep polishing the same turd for dittohead cred.

but i think kreep's earned his kneepads for the day.

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September 25, 2009 5:59 PM   

Cha Ching!!!!! - this is worse than those hacks on the religious network hawking pieces of the 'original' cross for only 19.95 + shipping and handling.

No birth certificate -
yes to certificate of live birth - ???
when will this be put to rest???

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September 25, 2009 6:04 PM   

for those of you who want to get up to speed on current birther "progress":

the life cycle of a birther lawsuit

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September 25, 2009 6:13 PM   

I guess they're not smart enough to realize if it hadn't been Obama it would have been Hillary. After 8 years of Bush the country was ready to elect any warm body the democrats offered.

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September 25, 2009 6:16 PM   

Does anyone here know where in Honolulu President Obama was born?

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September 25, 2009 8:26 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

Awwwww, isn't that cute. Little birther created a TPM profile just so he could ask his portentious question.

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September 25, 2009 9:55 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Just answer the question. Where in Honolulu was he born?

We know where all the other presidents were born down to the street address. But when it comes to Obama, the question is off limits. Where are we going to put up the sign saying "this site is where President Barack H. Obama was born"?

Tell me why you can't answer that question.

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September 26, 2009 12:41 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

Makes perfect sense. In 1861, they set up a little museum in Hardin, Co. Kentucky at the cabin where Abe Lincoln was born. Admission was two bits. The souvenir shop was right next door. Now they sell felt tip markers to write "Fed" on the chests of dead census takers.

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September 26, 2009 12:53 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

Perhaps this article will help you determine where to build your shrine to President Obama.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081109/NEWS01/811090361/-1/SPECIALOBAMA08

Note also that the birthplace of George Washington was not established until 2008.

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September 26, 2009 2:21 PM    in reply to Official A

Not exactly. That article points out to the homes where the Durham family resided, not where he was born. At the end of the article it even says that pinning down where BHO was born is problematic. The author, I maintain, blames it on contemporary privacy laws without once saying that BHO could produce his birth certificate where the place of birth, delivering physician, etc. is listed--just like everyone else.
I think if you dig a little further, it's been established that the address listed in the birth announcement is an address where the Durham's never lived! It was occupied by a professor at the university.

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September 25, 2009 6:26 PM   

Let's see....we have a felon, a Kreep and Orly. That should do it. That should convince the rest of America that it's not just us and a bunch of hick retards that will tople Obama. Yeah, this'll do it!

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September 25, 2009 6:30 PM   

Is there a connection to Christian Zionists? Orly Taitz, I understand hold an Israeli passport. That bad Obama is slowing the rush to Armageddon.


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September 25, 2009 7:10 PM   

Kreep? Nope, I'm not buyin' it. Are you sure that isn't Martin Mull? I can totally see him doing the Borat thing to a bunch of fundies on the late night TV.

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September 25, 2009 7:15 PM   

Late Update: April Morehead, who deals with paid programming at Texas CBS affiliate KLBK, confirms to TPMmuckraker the infomercial ran last night, and says it will run again Sunday at 1 a.m. United States Justice Foundation paid $100 per airing.

Wow, a hundred bucks is all it takes!? Is that a typo?

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September 25, 2009 7:21 PM   

Gary Kreep? Gary ... Kreep??? Are we sure this isn't an Onion plot?

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September 25, 2009 7:32 PM   

Just to inject a bit of sanity. The Republican governor of Hawaii has seen the "long version" of Obama's Birth Cirtificate which they do still have. Several other government employees have viewed it and certified it is there. Hawaii does not give out the long version of the birth certicate, the only give out the certificate of live birth. (Frankly, considering the importance of this issue one would think they might make an exception. But the fact the Governor is a Republican may have something to do with his refusal to provide a copy. Another thing not mentioned in the "infomercial" was that there were birth notices in two local papers for Obama. Kind of hard to fake that.

Also, as listed above McCain was born in Panama on the military base. And yes, they did pass a law that says in this case they are considered natural born citizens. One small point is they passed that law 2 years AFTER McCain was born. I believe they have made it apply retroactively. No DEM brought this up as an issue.

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September 26, 2009 9:44 AM    in reply to 1audiofile

Boy, it was really smart of the McCain people to go in after Johnny boy was born and get that law passed, wasn't it?

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September 25, 2009 7:51 PM   

BHO fans have a habit of lying, misleading, or getting the simple facts of this issue wrong, as 1audiofile illustrates.

1. The gov. of HI is a she, not a he. Her first name "Linda" is a clue.
2. You will find no statement in which she says she's seen the long form or in which she confirms he was born there. In fact, as detailed at the link in my first comment, she sends out a form letter in which she points out that it would be illegal for her to disclose information from his records including verifying he was born there.
3. Here are the problems with the birth announcements. Whatever they are, they aren't definitive proof.
4. Only one (1) gov't official has said he was born there, in late July. Her statement from eight months before referenced without quoting him another official, and was ambiguous. HI's infamous spokeswoman admitted to me that she isn't qualified to speak to the details of certs. So, the "Several other government employees" is basically just one person.

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September 25, 2009 8:27 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

Prove to me you were born in the United States.

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September 26, 2009 2:25 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Just so I know where you're coming from: would it matter to you if BHO or any president were born out of the country?

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September 25, 2009 8:35 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

Well, now .... birthers have a habit of lying, misleading, or getting the simple facts of the issue wrong. They also have this cool habit of focusing on irrelevant minutia, and claiming that facts plainly in evidence "lack definitive proof." They think this makes them sound really smart. But in reality, this inquiry is simply a game in which NO amount of facts or evidence will ever convince them, and they can keep on demanding evidence forever. As if they were really interested in being convinced.

Lonewacko ... why don't you go do something more constructive, like joining one of those groups that believes the moon landing was faked. I've heard that lots of people believe that there is definitive proof the landing happened, and that there many discrepancies in the record. Some people believe that whole thing was a massive conspiracy. Go check it out, and report back.

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September 25, 2009 10:21 PM    in reply to Bokonon

I don't understand why the liberals conflate 'birthers' with 'conspiracy theorists.' No one is alleging a conspiracy, just looking for what they believe is a violation of the US Constitution.
Just show the ORIGINAL birth certificate for starters. Then we can have the sidebar conversation of what constitutes a "natural born citizen." That should keep everyone very busy.

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September 25, 2009 10:25 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

I don't recall any other presidents being asked to produce their birth certificates.

There must be something about this president that makes people think of him as an outsider or a foreigner. I haven't the faintest clue what that could be.

Any ideas? This one's a stumper, that's for sure.

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September 26, 2009 2:36 PM    in reply to VictorLaszlo

The NYTimes was concerned enough about McCain to establish his bona fides. There is no doubt as to where all previous presidents were born. I could find out in a heartbeat where Truman, FDR, JFK, Nixon, Wilson, etc. were born down to the street.
Your compaint that no other president was put under this scrutiny is not a reason for BHO to prove he was born in the U.S.
Why not just show the original birth certificate? Make all us 'birthers' look like even bigger idiots than you say we already are?

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September 26, 2009 2:39 PM    in reply to VictorLaszlo

Yes, there are things that make him appear to be a foreigner. His father is was a Kenyan, BHO was adopted by an Indonesian and spent his childhood years in Indonesia. The rest of his childhood spent in Hawaii. In fact, BHO's points of reference, culturally, socially, etc are foreign. Yes, I know Hawaii is a state. But it's not a mainland experience by any stretch of the imagination.
And, NO, it's got nothing to do with his race.

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September 26, 2009 4:54 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

Yes, I know Hawaii is a state. But it's not a mainland experience by any stretch of the imagination.

No, I suppose Hawaii is not a 'mainland experience.' And Pennsylvania is not a 'west coast experience,' and Delaware is not an 'Alaskan experience.'

What was your point again?

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September 27, 2009 1:46 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

Racist are we?

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September 25, 2009 10:36 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

Gee ... I don't know, Phil. Why would I call someone who questions Obama's citizenship a "birther"? Because if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

Granted, I am sure you would like a different term - like "heroic patriotic citizens with legitimate Constitutional concerns." But you know something? I am not going to give you that kind of respect. Because you haven't earned it. If you are sticking up for these jackasses, and claiming that Obama has some duty to offer up documentation disproving a stupid charge by his enemies, you either are a Birther yourself or you are nearly as bad.

I know ... it is terrible to be on the receiving end of liberal intolerance, isn't it? Go pour yourself a drink.

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September 26, 2009 2:43 PM    in reply to Bokonon

The 'birther' name doesn't bother me. Your uncontrolled anger speaks to the emotional investment you have in BHO.

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September 27, 2009 10:44 AM    in reply to Phil Christe

Just to be clear, when I suggest Obama should authorize the release of his certificate by the state, I mean the one that is available today. Not the archived document. I don't want to be tarred with the brush that comes up with this nonsense.

The people who believe the State of Hawaii will produce a document falsely, won't be convinced by the "original" either. If the currently available copy is insufficient, an archived document will be insufficient.

Maybe a State produced document provided directly to the right wing media wouldn't change a thing, but I still think it would convince people who want to doubt Obama's qualification, but are persuadable by facts.

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September 27, 2009 11:50 AM    in reply to asdf

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Try the Google - Try reading - it's a fun and exciting way to expand your mind and horizons.

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September 27, 2009 10:36 PM    in reply to career fed

As discussed in my coverage (individual pages linked from other comments here), that FC page lied to their visitors for eight months. I've also caught FC in other, unrelated lies for BHO.

It used to be that liberals would oppose lying for political purposes, but there seems to be a new crop.

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September 25, 2009 10:50 PM    in reply to Bokonon

The reader note that Bokonon wrote about a hundred words, none of which responded to either of my previous comments but was simply a series of ad homs.

Why can't BHO fans discuss this issue in a grown-up fashion designed to get the truth? Why is it that not even one person has found even one single
thing false, misleading, or illogical in any of my coverage? (No, really: please fire up google and enter "false, misleading, or illogical" to see my previous challenges). No one's been able to point out even one thing I've gotten wrong and instead they simply engage in ad homs and blather on. There's a reason for that: they don't have anything else.

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September 26, 2009 12:54 AM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

Because your comments and "questions" are stupid, and you are asking them in bad faith.

It is not up to people like me to prove that you are wrong and refute your claims as illogical bunk - it is up to YOU to prove your point in the first place.

Now ... where is YOUR long form, dude? Can you prove you are in this country legally? All I want to do is have a civil, grown-up discussion about your citizenship and whether you might be an illegal alien. How come aren't you answering my questions with hard proof? If you really have nothing to hide, why don't you post your birth certificate for us to examine?

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September 26, 2009 2:47 PM    in reply to Bokonon

Bokonon,
Do you have a birth certificate that says where and when you were born?
I'm sure you do like everyone else. Even BHO. The difference is you wouldn't have any reluctance to provide it were you running for POTUS. BHO is reluctant.

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September 26, 2009 9:33 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

Phil ... I notice that you keep trying to shift the conversation we are having away from your birth certificate. That's OK, but I can't understand why you are so reluctant to discuss it. Why the elaborate evasions?

Look - if you just post it here for everyone to see, all our questions will be resolved? Just do it for us. We know you can - unless there is some kind of problem to which you don't want to fess up.

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September 26, 2009 1:01 PM    in reply to LonewackoDotCom3

"They aren't definitive proof."

No proof will ever be definitive enough to suit you. Want proof?

Obama is president.
He was on the ballot in all 50 states (count 'em -- 50!)
His election was confirmed by the electoral college.
He's signing bills into law.
He lives in the White House.

Pretty compelling, eh? LMAO.

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September 26, 2009 2:53 PM    in reply to Official A

If you walked into the local DMV with a newspaper birth announcement, that wouldn't qualify as a qualified id. Nor would a printout from an internet posting of a certification of live birth.
BHO, for whatever motive, will not release his long-form birth certificate. Nor will he release any of his college records, for that matter. The latter are not relevant to POTUS eligibility, I know.

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September 26, 2009 4:34 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

How about a U. S. passport? Does Obama have one of those?

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September 26, 2009 9:32 PM    in reply to Official A

Obama passport? Good question. Remember the break in to the State Dept passport records back in Feb/March 08?

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September 26, 2009 9:41 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

Yeah - and, gosh, I guess that means that Obama has a U.S. passport, and some unauthorized people looked at the state department file about it. Pretty sinister stuff there. If he has a passport, that generally tends to mean that Obama has been verified as a US citizen. But ... you know, the conspiracy could be deep.

Now - let's get back to the issue of your citizenship, Phil. There are some serious unresolved questions, people on this forum are getting concerned, and we need to get answers.

No more evasions - it is time for you to post a verified and authenticated copy of your long form birth certificate. Or your passport file from the State Department, documenting when (and if) you were issued a US passport and whether you have ever visited a communist country. Either one will do.

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September 26, 2009 9:46 PM    in reply to Bokonon

It was, in fact, a criminal act. I thought you would be upset that unauthorized individuals looked into confidential files.

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September 27, 2009 8:32 AM    in reply to Phil Christe

The ice is getting awfully thin, Phil. You might want to start working your way back to shore.

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September 25, 2009 8:20 PM   

I'm just worried that if the President sees anymore of the people that really make up this country, he really will move to Kenya!

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September 25, 2009 8:42 PM   

One time, I managed to convince a twenty-something who had bought into loony conspiracy theories that we had, in fact, landed on the moon. Her major problem, the keystone to her doubt, was her inability to believe we could have had the technology to land on the moon in the long ago dark ages of 1969. So she asked me how I was so sure.

And my answer was "because there was this country called the U.S.S.R. that had more spies than you could shake a stick at in the U.S., and in particular in Houston and Cocoa Beach, at the time, and who the technology to tell whether the signals were really coming from the moon. Proving that we'd faked it would have been the greated propaganda victory they'd ever won, especially after their own failure to achieve it, and yet, despite all their resources, they didn't call bullshit on it."

She actually found that convincing.

And yet, somehow, pointing out that Obama's citizenship survived the microscopic scrutiny of the RNC, the campaigns of John Sidney McCain, Hillary Clinton and, for that matter, Mitt Romney is no more convincing than showing them a legal document--a certificate of live birth certified by the public official charged with authenticating public documents--that is deemed conclusive proof of a person's birth in the U.S. in every single court of law in the United States doesn't get it done for them.

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September 25, 2009 8:42 PM   

I wonder what these clowns would do if they were all asked to wear their birth certificates whenever they put on their pointed white caps....

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September 25, 2009 9:49 PM   

Thirty minutes of TV ad time costs $100?

When I started reading this post I wondered where they were getting the money to run the infomercials.

Now I'm thinking of running one myself. :)

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September 25, 2009 10:07 PM   

Send a fax for thirty dollars? NOW, I get it. These scumbags are making money on this deal!! I'm laughing so hard I can hradly tyep!!

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September 25, 2009 10:45 PM    in reply to JimmyBobby

Hey - don't call them "scumbags" or imply that they have impure motives. Phil Cristie up above will get all huffy that you don't appreciate their very serious Constitutional concerns. I am very concerned about Phil's feelings.

That money will pay the investigator's salaries as they further probe this very deep, very serious issue!

And since a tax-exempt religious organization is producing this stuff, maybe they will turn around and use some of the money for their ministry, or to help the poor ... you know, doing good works. As opposed to lining their pockets and funding their ongoing partisan onslaught against Obama. All tax free, of course. What a brilliant scam.

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September 26, 2009 2:56 PM    in reply to Bokonon

Bokonon, you seem to be the one getting all worked up. Relax. Having a conversation about this POTUS eligibility doesn't hurt.
Okay?

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September 26, 2009 1:05 PM    in reply to JimmyBobby

Hey Birthers! I'll send a fax for just $5.00 (plus $22.50 S&H). Please make your check our to "Official A".

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September 25, 2009 10:31 PM   

this is all the GOP have today is crazed lunatic birthers in their party.. on thing you never saw on the left. you never saw 9/11 conspiracy theorist comercials ran on televisions

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September 25, 2009 11:19 PM   

The so-called Birthers are the best allies that President Obama has. The more people that see this stuff, the more sensible and rational the President seems. I am a true blue liberal, and I love this stuff. Go Birthers go! You have my full support.

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September 26, 2009 8:38 AM   

Send a fax to Gary Kreep at (760) 788-6414.

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September 26, 2009 9:19 AM   

I view this as a GOOD thing. First, it will separate thousands of rubes from money that might have otherwise gone to buying more guns or ammunition. Secondly it might actually motivate Texas to secede...and then we could move in and conquer the bastards once and for all!

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September 26, 2009 9:37 AM   

Dollars to donuts that 90% or more of birthers deny evolution and believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a fish. I bet half of them deny the moon landing and the holocaust. The thing is, they aren't interested in proof. Whatever proof you present will be disputed. If Obama did come forward with the "birth certificate" they are demanding, something would be wrong with that. It isn't about the truth of the matter...it's about the noise.

I think they buy into all of these insane beliefs and conspiracies because it's easier to blame "the outsiders" for our problems than ourselves. If I can blame you for my poor, morally bankrupt, trailer trash existence, I don't have confront my own shortcomings that drove me here. It's your fault, or the Trilateral Commission, or the "Evolutionists," or the Freemasons, or the communists, or whoever "they" are.

And for centuries the main "they" were people of a darker skin color. And now, the supreme affront...we are being led by one of "them." And not only one of them, but one who is so obviously so much superior to anyone we have representing "us" and our insane worldview, that it makes our head explode just to think about it.

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September 26, 2009 3:01 PM    in reply to FrustratedDeminNH

So the reason BHO shouldn't come forward with his birth certificate is because no one will believe it's authentic?
Try me.

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September 26, 2009 3:34 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

Phil, have you noticed that no one will engage you? That's because these folks are experienced at dealing with trolls like you. If you're a "professional," I imagine that you'll keep trying. I would think, however, that you'd find much more fertile ground elsewhere.

Or you might pick a better issue. This dog won't hunt.

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September 26, 2009 9:37 PM    in reply to Dr Lemming

They won't engage because they can't. Are you only interested in having your views confirmed by like-minded. I don't hide my identity, you do.

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September 26, 2009 9:48 PM    in reply to Dr Lemming

This is very fertile ground.

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September 27, 2009 8:57 AM    in reply to Phil Christe

Phil, just for clarification, are you suggesting the Certificate of Live Birth issue by the authorities is a fake?

If so, then what's to prevent a fake of the "long form"?

If not, then what information there supports Obama's birth anywhere except Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii, at 7:24 pm on 8/4/61, to American citizen Stanley Anne Dunham, and that that information was provided the registrar on 8/8/61?

I visited a site last night that questioned Obama's citizenship and simultaneously postulated that his real father was not Barack, Sr., but an American citizen, Frank Marshall Davis. Is Barack a usurper, or just a black bastard?

There's always something and always will be. Meanwhile, Obama is still president.

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September 27, 2009 2:17 PM    in reply to Official A

The document that Obama produced has as its source, allegedly, a birth certificate. That is, the 'certification' was produced off the information on the original birth certificate.
Or, it's possible in Hawaii in 1961, that his mother and grandparents filed an affadavit declaring his birth outside a hospital, such as at home. This could be done very easily.
Or, as in the case with many other people born outside the U.S., filed for a certificate. (Sun Yat Sen, born in China, has a certification saying he was born in Hawaii!)
I don't know. I do know, however, that Obama doesn't want the world to see what's on his birth certificate (or college records).
Would you object to him furnishing publicly his birth certificate?
If he were a Republican, might you have a different stance?
I bet you would. The Left went crazy looking for GWB's dental records, remember?

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September 27, 2009 6:06 PM    in reply to Phil Christe

Well, I've never seen my own "long form" so maybe I'm not natural-born (notwithstanding what my certified certificate says), but I'm reasonably sure that Obama is from Hawaii, W is from Connecticut, and this issue is from Uranus.

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September 26, 2009 1:05 PM   

Gary Kreep = sean hannratty..

Simple..Both stupid - both living in an alternative reality - both clinically delusion - both with over blown self image prompting questions of schizophrenia...'bought sums it up for me..

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September 26, 2009 1:23 PM   

Call yourself US Justice Foundation while being as anti justice as possible?

Typical republi-cons

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September 26, 2009 1:28 PM   

Kreep singled out Janice Rogers Brown, perhaps the most radical of Bush’s appellate nominees, for her success in getting on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals.

According to Kreep, Brown was targeted because of her race by the Democratic Party, “one of the most racist” groups in country, which he said opposes any minority who doesn’t “kiss their tuckuses” and “say ‘yessa massa.’”

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September 26, 2009 1:34 PM   

I have to share, since it's too good not to:

I've met Bill Keller personally, and spent an hour interviewing him as part of a religious studies class I took as an undergraduate (the interview took place on Nov. 7th, 2005).

I met him at his office, which is (I SWEAR I am not making this up) a tiny room inside a used car dealership in St Petersburg, FL. In fact, you can see the place on GoogleMaps street view, or on the video tour he posted online. His office is full of bad inspirational books and VHS cassettes, and when I did the interview I had to sit (I swear, AGAIN, that I am still not making this up) on a backseat taken from what I think was a Plymouth minivan, which he used as a guest chair (visible in the video).

Shortly before we met, he had posted on his site a ham-handed pastiche of the Harry Potter series called "Harry Potter and the Search for a King," where Dudley converts to evangelical Christianity and convinces Harry to forswear witchcraft (I really, really swear on a stack of Bibles that I am NOT MAKING THIS UP). Now, his site has special features for "Osama," "Oprah," "God's Enemy" (Obama), "False Hope" (picture of Obama smiling next to Hitler), and, of course, the birther infomercial (plus, naturally, a video tour of the used car lot--Ace Motors, for you St. Pete/Tampa types looking for a great deal on a pre-owned Camry).

His anti-Obama activism is a stark departure from what he previously professed as his ministerial duty. In our interview, and in a number of his mass emails he sends to subscribers, Keller talked about how the job of the minister was to speak to issues important to the "person in the pew," saying that, in his mind, Christian theology is only effective as it relates to people's everyday lives--how the Birthers relate to people's everyday concerns continues to defy explanation.

Keller's a Biblical literalist, he's resentful of the "Left Behind" series for dramatizing (and hence taking dramatic license) with biblical prophesy, and he disapproves of trying to tie prophesy to current events (to the point of criticizing Hal Lindsey during our interview for doing just that). He also, however, accuses Oprah of "selling spiritual crack," claims that Christians may have to go to literal "battle stations" lest they "lose this nation to satan once and for all," compared American auto dealers in 2009 to the Jews in Germany ("today auto dealers, tomorrow the church!), and that Obama's election meant Christians (REAL Christians, that is) should end their allegiance to the US because "true followers of Jesus Christ" will be targeted by the government--now led by an "enemy of God"--for destruction. For bonus points, he also thinks there's a "'shadow government' put in place with the so-called Czars" (though he also thinks Mormonism is a cult and therefore that Glenn Beck is no better than that crack dealer Oprah!)

The guy's a huckster, but his rubes are the most deluded of the Devoted, and he's stoking some dangerous fires. Best of all, like all overblown, self-righteous fraudsters, when he's called out for his over-the-top insanity, he'll rail that it's some evil force trying to silence the truth, just as he predicted. He used to be comical--he's now just scary, and since he thinks he's the only one preaching the true Gospel, he's even scarier, because he's convinced that whatever he does is God's work.

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