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Every election cycle, Republicans scream about Democratic voter fraud -- without providing any evidence that fraudulent votes have actually been cast. Now, in an obscure local election in upstate New York, the GOP may finally have unearthed the holy grail -- credible allegations of actual bogus voting. But the story appears to be a lot more intricate than partisans on both sides may want to admit.
Court documents filed last week in Rensselaer County, and first reported by the Albany-Times Union, challenge a group of absentee ballots, submitted in the primary for the Working Families Party (WFP), a left-leaning, labor-backed third party in New York, in several county electoral contests. In the legal filing, several voters attest that they never filled out the absentee ballots that bear their signatures. The filing was made under the name of Christian Lambertsen, a candidate for county legislator who was running in the WFP primary, held September 15.
Here's the scam that's being alleged in Lambertsen's filing, which was examined by TPMmuckraker:
Certain local Democratic officials named in the filings in the city of Troy went to the homes of voters who are registered to vote in the WFP primary, and told them that they could do so without having to show up on Election Day, simply by signing a form. Around 30 voters appear to have signed the form, which in fact requested an absentee ballot, and included a fake reason, apparently written by the Democratic officials, as to why the voter in question couldn't vote in person. The form also specified in many cases that the ballot be sent care of the Democratic official -- something the law allows for, in order to make absentee voting easier. After receiving the ballots in the mail, the Democratic officials allegedly filled them out and mailed them in, forging the voters' signatures.
Interviews by the Times-Union with several of the voters whose names were said to be forged offer more detail on how the process worked:
Victor Gonzalez, a resident of Griswold Heights, told the Times Union he was visited several weeks ago by [Troy Housing authority employee Anthony] Defiglio and another man who asked him to sign an absentee ballot application. Gonzalez is registered on the WFP line. But Gonzalez, like many other people interviewed, never saw, signed or submitted the absentee ballot later filed at the Board of Elections under his name.Also, someone else wrote on the Gonzalez's ballot application that he couldn't vote in person because of a work conflict.
''I've been out of work for about six to eight months. I've been laid off and looking for work,'' he said.
Numerous other voters have told similar stories, in interviews with the paper or in signed affidavits that were part of the court filing. It's not clear whether the allegedly fraudulent ballots could have affected the results of any of the contests. There are numerous Democrats -- and a few WFP members -- whose names appear to have been listed as being authorized to receive the ballots, and who are therefore accused of the fraud, but Defiglio's name appears to occur the most.
So why would Democrats intervene in a Working Families Party primary? The WFP has established a profile in New York politics in large part by having Democratic candidates run on its line, which can give the candidate a few extra votes on election day. For instance, when Hillary Clinton was re-elected to the Senate in 2006, nearly 5 percent of her votes came from the WFP line (pdf). The contested ballots are still sealed, so we don't know who they were cast for. But the court filing implies that they may have been cast in favor of certain Democratic candidates for various local offices, who were also seeking to capture the WFP nomination and thereby boost their chances in the general election.
But as if this story weren't already complicated enough, those seeking to expose the alleged fraud appear to be playing their own political game.
Lambertsen hardly fits the profile of a Working Families Party activist. A 30-year member of the Troy Police Department, in 2007 he led the city's Kiwanis Club Prayer Breakfast. And in a phone interview with TPMmuckraker, Lambertsen admitted he was unaware of the identities of the other candidates in his race, and said that he had "thrown his hat in the ring" after being approached by Robert Mirch, a local Conservative Party public official and activist.
According to observers of the county's byzantine politics, Mirch has a reputation for running frivolous candidates in low turnout Working Families Party primaries, in order to deny the Democratic Party the WFP line. Last year, he was suspected of running a 23-year old pizza delivery boy as a WFP candidate for mayor, Troy city council, and state senate. Lambertsen appears to be another such mischief candidate.
And it was Mirch who led the investigation into alleged vote fraud that produced last week's the court filings. According to an affidavit signed by Mirch and attached as part of the filing, he recently become aware of an unusually large number of absentee ballots arriving at the Board of Elections on the last day they were eligible. Mirch then reportedly hired two private investigators, who spent the last two weeks interviewing voters and taking sworn statements.
As for the Working Families Party itself, Karen Scharff, a local WFP official told TPMmuckraker in a statement:
It's extremely troubling that local Democrats in Troy appear to have committed fraud in an attempt to win a primary fight with Troy Republicans for our ballot line. We call on the District Attorney to investigate this matter immediately and prosecute any acts of voter fraud to the fullest extent of the law.
A special prosecutor was expected to be appointed by the county today to probe the matter.

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Campesino
September 28, 2009 5:57 PM
Every election cycle, Republicans scream about Democratic voter fraud -- without providing any evidence that fraudulent votes have actually been cast.
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You've got to be kidding, right?
http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local/article/0,2845,MCA_25340_5548537,00.html
In a plea deal entered May 10, alleged ringleader Verline Mayo admitted to 10 felonies, including voter fraud, making false entries on election documents and official misconduct. Mayo, 70, received the stiffest sentence: two years' probation, $1,000 in fines and 200 hours of community service.
Codefendants Gertrude Otteridge, 65, and Mary McClatcher, 53, pleaded guilty to one felony and one misdemeanor each and were sentenced to one year probation plus fines and community service.
With felony voting fraud convictions on their records, they can't ever work the polls again, nor will they be able to get their voting rights restored.
"We felt it was a good resolution for the community,'' said Asst. Dist. Atty. Linda Kirklen, who said prosecutors considered the defendants' ages and other factors when striking the deal.
Kirklen said investigators have no evidence anyone else was involved and don't know what motivated Mayo, a longtime election official and Democratic Party activist to influence the others to commit fraud.
"That is the big question,'' Kirklen said. The indictment charged only that Mayo acted "with the intent to obtain a benefit in the form of additional votes for senatorial candidate Ophelia Ford," but didn't say why.
Mayo didn't respond to two messages left on her home phone seeking comment.
Prosecutors declined to release an investigative report compiled by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.
The TBI probe followed an investigation by The Commercial Appeal that found that someone had forged the names of two deceased elderly voters to cast ballots in the District 29 race. The newspaper found that other votes were cast in the names of voters whose addresses were vacant lots.
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worthy9
September 28, 2009 8:46 PM in reply to Campesino
Roth's statement was not that voting fraud never happens, but that almost every single election cycle conservatives complain loudly about voter fraud when the instance is actually quite low. You've provided 9 examples and, while it proves that voting fraud occurs, it doesn't mean that their concerns are valid.
The heart of the issue is whether or not the minimal instances of voting fraud actually influence elections to any significant degree. For this to be true, an individual fraud would have to involve large numbers of voters and the logistics of this are daunting.
For effective voter fraud to be perpetrated, you would have to either a) identify and register people who you thought wouldn't be voting, cast absentee votes for them and pray that none of them decided to show up at the polls or b) pay off the same number of people to vote one way or another and pray that they do (and you'd never really know because of the secret ballot).
Neither of these scenarios is effective because in the first instance there's a very good chance that at least a few will show up to vote and in both instances you run a high chance of being caught due to someone turning you in.
The idea that voter fraud is a real threat to our elections' integrity is simply implausible.
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Campesino
September 29, 2009 2:50 PM in reply to worthy9
Neither of these scenarios is effective because in the first instance there's a very good chance that at least a few will show up to vote and in both instances you run a high chance of being caught due to someone turning you in.
The idea that voter fraud is a real threat to our elections' integrity is simply implausible.
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Baloney. If you would bother to click through and read the examples I posted from Memphis and from East Chicago you'll see that both elections were found to be so distorted and corrupted that state officials threw them both out and had them re-run
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Campesino
September 28, 2009 5:59 PM
Reallly
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/29349339.html
Voter fraud conviction upheld
Posted: June 15, 2007
In a 3-0 decision, a federal appeals court Thursday upheld the voter fraud conviction of Kimberly Prude, the Milwaukee grandmother of three who cast an illegal absentee ballot in the 2004 election.
The U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago rejected claims made by Prude's defense team that key testimony from the chief inspector at a polling location where Prude worked on election day should have been omitted from the jury trial.
The court also rejected a claim that the jury was not instructed adequately on the theory of Prude's defense as well as claims that Prude was denied the chance to introduce testimony about procedures to withdraw a vote.
Prude, a felon under state supervision, was ineligible to vote in 2004. She worked as a volunteer for the John Kerry-John Edwards campaign and cast an absentee ballot after an Oct. 22, 2004 rally that featured Rev. Al Sharpton. Prude claimed she called the election commission and attempted to withdraw her ballot but was told by a person on the telephone that she should not be worried about the vote.
In 2005, a jury convicted Prude of voter fraud and her probation was revoked. Prude had previously pleaded guilty to a state charge of forgery in 2000.
Prude is serving her sentence at the Robert E. Ellsworth Correctional Center in Union Grove. She is expected to be released in the autumn.
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neroden
September 29, 2009 9:21 PM in reply to Campesino
That again sounds like someone confused about the rules. Seriously, throw out all these "called election commission voluuntarily and tried to withdraw her ballot" instances if you want to provide any sort of credible evidence.
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Campesino
September 28, 2009 6:02 PM
Oh my
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050219/NEWS02/502190352/-1/NEWS
guilty to faking voter registration forms in exchange for crack cocaine, a Defiance man has pleaded guilty to 10 counts of false registration.
Chad Staton, 22, of Stratton Street appeared in Defiance County Common Pleas Court Thursday to enter pleas to the 10 counts of the fifth-degree felony. In December, a grand jury returned indictments against him for filing forms in the names of Mary Poppins, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Michael Jordan, Dick Tracy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Brett Favre, George Foreman, Maria Lopez, and George Lopez.
Each offense could result in a fine of $2,500 and/or imprisonment for up to 12 months. Mr. Staton's court-appointed attorney, Tiffany Reighter Beckman, was unavailable for comment yesterday. Mr. Staton could not be reached for comment.
Mr. Staton, who grew up in Toledo, filled out the 10 forms, plus more than 90 others, in late September. His actions became public in October, weeks before the hotly contested presidential election. They made national headlines and drew international media attention.
But in a bizarre twist, the woman to whom he gave the forms, Georgianne Pitts, 41, of Toledo, died in early December. The Lucas County coroner's office ruled her cause of death as an accidental overdose of a prescription medication.
Mr. Staton will be sentenced at 1 p.m. April 13.
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sandi
September 29, 2009 9:24 AM in reply to Campesino
I think you are confounding registration fraud with voting fraud. I can fill in reg forms until the cows come home. But that does not result in a single fraudulent vote unless I go to the polls in those guises.
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Campesino
September 28, 2009 6:06 PM
Everyone knows vote fraud is a myth
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/04/28/three_voters.html?sid=101
3 voting advocates guilty
Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:33 PM
By Barbara Carmen
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Three staff members for Vote Today Ohio, an independent get-out-the-vote organization supporting Barack Obama, pleaded guilty in Franklin County this afternoon to improper voting.
The three came to Ohio from states where Obama was likely to win in an effort to swing Ohio's electoral college vote toward their candidate, Judge Charles A. Schneider said. The judge gave all three 60 days in jail but suspended it if they paid a $1,000 fine. He also ordered a year's probation.
The three are Daniel Hausman, 32, and Amy Little, 50, both of New York, and Yolanda Hippensteele, 30, of California. They told the court they had good intentions when they registered to vote and cast ballots the same day in early voting at Veterans Memorial.
Assistant Prosecutor Brian Simms said the three later tried to rescind their registration and cancel their votes; two were successful. Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien had warned visiting campaign staff members that they shouldn't vote here if they didn't plan to stay after the election.
Schneider told the three that "rescinding your request is like giving back the money once you've been caught."
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Campesino
September 28, 2009 6:11 PM
Mr Roth, you really don't appear to be looking very seriously at this problem. There's this thing called Google you might want to use
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/article_5b39f28e-5893-11de-802f-001cc4c03286.html
Milgram seems determined to get voter-fraud conviction in Atlantic City
Posted: Sunday, June 14, 2009 |
Dozens of absentee and messenger ballots were rejected in the June 2 primary.
ATLANTIC CITY — Annette Ortiz described Atlantic City’s messenger ballot process in a matter-of-fact way.
“He gave me the paper. He told me which bubble to fill in,” Ortiz said, referring to the circles adjacent to candidate names on a messenger ballot for the June 2 primary election. “This is just what they do all the time. It happens every election. It’s nothing new.”
Floyd Tally approached Ortiz in the lobby of her home at Liberty Avenue Apartments with a messenger ballot on Election Day, and the 245-pound ex-convict left nothing to chance with Ortiz’s vote for the Democratic candidate in the mayoral primary race, she said. Police arrested Tally on Friday outside the Mays Landing Criminal Courts Complex. He faces voter-fraud charges for allegedly improperly gathering votes for Councilman Marty Small.
David Callaway also was arrested Friday outside the courthouse; a third defendant, LuQuay Q. Zahir, was arrested June 5 at his Virginia Avenue home.
Unrestrained absentee- and messenger-ballot abuse has been a familiar story in Atlantic City elections for more than a decade. Despite various arrests, such as those of Tally, Callaway and Zahir over the years, no investigation has succeeded in stopping the campaign tactic.
That could change this year.
State lawmakers are expected to enact limitations on the number of messenger ballots an individual bearer can handle. Attorney General Anne Milgram appears determined to continue a full-scale investigation. And the arrests she has made may hold up in court better than cases from previous investigations because the state appears to have a stronger case.
Authorities claim Callaway and Zahir filled out multiple ballots intended for other voters and allege all three ballot bearers illegally tampered with messenger-ballot applications. Messenger ballots, designed for ill and shut-in voters, are easily abused because they potentially put residents’ votes in the hands of the campaign workers who carry them back and forth from election offices.
State investigators got a taste of what to expect in Atlantic City when Callaway and Tally helped swing Pleasantville’s Board of Education election results on the strength of more than 200 messenger ballots. The election raised a red flag, and a month later, authorities put Atlantic City’s election under a microscope.
Investigators “were telling our workers months before the campaign that they’d be watching,” Zahir said.
The three men charged were part of a much bigger messenger ballot effort for Small, whether the councilman sanctioned it or not.
Zahir delivered 119 messenger-ballot applications for the resort’s election. The Atlantic County Clerk’s Office rejected 54 of those applications for a variety of reasons, including discrepancies with voter signatures and identifications. Callaway and Tally each collected 132 messenger applications. The county rejected 58 of those submitted by Callaway and 44 submitted by Tally.
Jennawade Walker was among those on the list of rejected applications. After being approached on the street about filling out a messenger-ballot application and submitting one, she said, she received a letter from the county to inform her that the signature did not match her signed voter registration card.
Applications that are rejected can be corrected only with signatures of the voter, according to county elections specialist John Piatt. Walker said she never contacted the county or resubmitted an application. But on Election Day, someone was at her Connecticut Avenue doorstep with a ballot. How her application was approved without her involvement remains a mystery.
Election records also show her application and ballot were handled by Zahir. Walker knows Zahir, and also knows neither document she submitted to the county was given to him.
“If that’s true, that’s definitely a violation,” Piatt said.
But those types of violations have been difficult to prove in court.
In 2005, a state grand jury indicted Councilman Small on 10 third-degree charges that alleged he was not the designated person to handle 10 separate Atlantic City residents’ messenger ballots. The 11th fourth-degree charge alleged Small stopped a person from voting at the polls.
“These are not the type of offenses that leap out at you,” said Edwin Jacobs Jr., a high-powered city attorney that represented Small in the case.
The trial jury seemed to feel the same way, returning a not-guilty verdict after only 30 minutes of deliberation. Jacobs says there’s always two ways to read a law, and the more technical the charges, the more flimsy the prosecution’s case.
There are plenty of technicalities in the state’s newest Atlantic City ballot case. Authorities allege Callaway and Zahir designated themselves as authorized messengers on hundreds of applications, a responsibility of the voter and a third-degree offense.
“Stuff like that I would put in the technical category,” Jacobs said. “If (voters) need some assistance, what are you going to do? Send a state trooper to help every one of them?”
However, this time the state is not relying only on technical violations. At least 11 ballots between Zahir and Callaway were allegedly never received by the voters but cast as votes. Callaway is also facing a second-degree charge for allegedly telling one voter how to vote, similar to the alleged conduct of Tally when he dealt with Annette Ortiz.
“Clearly, they are distinguishable, and I discussed that topic earlier this week with Mr. Jacobs,” said James J. Leonard Jr., Zahir’s attorney.
But Leonard said the state still has a tall hurdle ahead, apparently relying mostly on the testimony of uninformed voters.
“The state is going to have to produce actual voters to testify under oath that ballots submitted in their name were submitted fraudulently and that the defendants were the ones who submitted them,” he said. “Both defendants vehemently deny the allegations. The burden of proving these allegations are on the state.”
And the burden of proof is reliant on people such as Ortiz, a welfare recipient used once for her vote and now expecting to be used again for her testimony. She’s due in Trenton on June 30 to testify before a grand jury.
“I don’t have money or a ride to get up there,” she said. “But I’m scared. They said they’ll put a warrant out if I don’t go. I didn’t ask for this.”
E-mail Michael Clark:
Michael.Clark@pressofac.com
Posted in Breaking on Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:00 am Updated: 5:50 am.
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neroden
September 29, 2009 9:20 PM in reply to Campesino
Good grief, that's not even voting fraud, that's a different crime. Are you just digging up everything which is vaguely similar?
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Campesino
September 28, 2009 6:13 PM
Oops
http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/56646922.html
AG announces voter fraud conviction in Hale County
MONTGOMERY)--Attorney General Troy King announced the conviction yesterday of Rosie Lyles for voter fraud in Hale County Circuit Court.
She was sentenced to 12 months, which was suspended. Lyles was placed on probation for two years, during which she is prohibited from participating in any absentee voting or voter registration activity. She was also assessed approximately $400 in court costs.
Specifically, Lyles pleaded guilty to criminal possession of a forged instrument in the third degree—a forged affidavit of an absentee voter —with intent to defraud.
“This conviction represents an important victory for integrity at our ballot boxes,” said Attorney General King. “Honest, fair elections are the foundation upon which our democracy stands. I am committed to prosecute voter fraud and ensure that Alabamians can trust the results of our elections and have faith in our government.”
Attorney General King personally presented evidence to a Hale County grand jury, resulting in the August 2007 indictments of Lyles as well as Valada Paige Banks, a former Greensboro City Councilwoman. Voter fraud charges against Banks still are pending as are similar charges against former Circuit Clerk Gay Nell Tinker who was indicted in March 2008. Those cases have not yet been set for trial.
Attorney General King commended investigators George Barrows and Susan Smith as well as Assistant Attorneys General Ben Baxley and Noel Barnes.
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Campesino
September 28, 2009 6:18 PM
Never happened
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/29426369.html
It took a jury just 35 minutes on Wednesday to convict Milwaukee Ald. Michael McGee's uncle of committing election fraud by paying voters five dollars each to cast ballots.
Garrett L. Huff, 59, faces up to 10 years in prison when he is sentenced May 7. He was convicted of three counts of conspiracy to commit election fraud.
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Campesino
September 28, 2009 6:29 PM
More mythology
http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/25501614.html
Student Admits to Voting Twice
An Ohio University student has admitted to voting twice
ATHENS, Ohio (WSAZ)-An Ohio University student has admitted to voting twice in the March Primary.
21-year old Carolyn Kleinhert pleaded guilty to felony election falsification in Athens County Common Pleas Court on Tuesday.
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Campesino
September 28, 2009 6:37 PM
Tough to keep up with all this fake stuff
http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=100257
Final Defendant in East Chicago Vote Fraud Case Gets Community Service
46 people convicted in probe of 2003 mayoral primary
By Eric Berman
9/24/2008
The last defendant in East Chicago's vote fraud investigation has been sentenced to three weeks of community service.
Utility security manager Terrance Lay was convicted of collecting someone else's absentee ballot in East Chicago's 2003 mayoral election, a race so riddled with fraud that the Indiana Supreme Court ordered a do-over.
26 city and county employees and 20 other people were found guilty.
Even though most of the sentences were light, Attorney General Steve Carter says the convictions send a clear message. He says there have been no allegations of vote fraud since the investigation began.
The 46 convictions include two East Chicago city councilmen, five police officers, two fire department employees, 17 more city or county workers, and three precinct committeemen.
Lake County is talking about expanding early voting to handle an expected record turnout in the presidential election. Carter says the county won't be under any special scrutiny
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notthatstupid
September 28, 2009 8:22 PM in reply to Campesino
When were you laid off? You've got a lot of time to kill. Especially in this economy. A little obsessed aren't you?
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kgb999
September 28, 2009 9:12 PM in reply to Campesino
To recap: you've managed to highlight a smattering of cases - many of which don't even involve an actual vote being cast - ranging across the better part of a decade. If anything I think you prove the point Zachary is making.
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Campesino
September 29, 2009 2:46 PM in reply to kgb999
To recap: you've managed to highlight a smattering of cases - many of which don't even involve an actual vote being cast - ranging across the better part of a decade. If anything I think you prove the point Zachary is making.
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To recap - the writer of the post, Zachary Roth states in the post that real examples of voter fraud are so rare that they are the "holy grail" for Republicans. Anyone who puts "voter fraud conviction" into Google gets 1.6 million hits and paging through them you can see hundreds of examples of people indicted and convicted of voter fraud - it's not rare at all.
I posted in six or so that were easy to grab, enough to show Roth is foolish or lying. You are evidently too slow to figure that out.
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neroden
September 29, 2009 9:24 PM in reply to Campesino
Actually, you can't count. Hundreds of cases *is* rare -- do you know the population of the US? -- and the fact that a fair number of the ones you've posted don't actually involve voting fraud weakens your case substantially.
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ericf
September 29, 2009 12:52 PM in reply to Campesino
Campesino, your posts actually prove the argument of rare real voter fraud is. Compare these individual cases of the charges our side makes, where Republican election officials commit fraud on the scale of tens of thousands of votes. Our side has also long claimed that not only is fraud very rare, but when it happens, it almost always involves absentee voting --- as this post and some of your examples illustrate. When the DOJ devotes itself to voter fraud for eight years and finds so little, that proves it's close to nonexistent. The degree of searching you had to do to find individual cases should also show this to you.
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theWalrus
September 28, 2009 6:43 PM
That's it. Massive voter fraud! Obama must resign! The election, clearly, was illegal. And let's overturn Franken v Coleman while were at it.
At least when Republicans steal elections they do it BIG!
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runfastandwin
September 28, 2009 6:48 PM
Campesir, lighten up dude. You've been duped.
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Campesino
September 29, 2009 2:53 PM in reply to runfastandwin
Campesir, lighten up dude. You've been duped
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No, that would be you. What're you gonna believe, Roth or your lying eyes?
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Matt Jones
September 28, 2009 7:05 PM
Of course, Republicans know that the key to voter fraud isn't fooling around at the local level, but rather bribing the voting machine manufacturers. Much easier that way, much less work.
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jeffgee
September 28, 2009 7:32 PM
Voila! Breitbart's new talking points for the week.
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laym
September 28, 2009 7:48 PM
More on "Three Job Bob" Mirch, from Albany's alt weekly.
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slb
September 28, 2009 8:34 PM
If it turns out that Democratic operatives were indeed involved in a fraudulent absentee ballot scheme, then they deserve to take the fall for it. But I am not forgetting that Karl Rove is strongly suspected of having bugged his own office in 1986 in hopes of being able to blame it on the Democratic opponent of a gubernatorial candidate he was working for at the time. I wouldn't want to rule out dirty tricks on the part of the GOP, either.
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jeffreydj
September 28, 2009 9:40 PM
Campesino's litany may be old news, but here in Kentucky, hardly a week goes by without a mention in the local paper of some official of KY's 108 counties being indicted and/or convicted of vote-buying. These news stories invariably appear on inner pages, due to their resemblance to items concerning the biting of men by dogs.
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MT from CC
September 29, 2009 12:03 AM
Campesino makes an excellent point. There have been at least 10-15 documented incidences of vote fraud by low level Dem lackeys unearthed in almost 6 years of nonstop trying at the highest levels of the Justice Department. And to think that it took only one key stroke by a GOP operative in FL, paid for by the GOP controlled state voting apparatus -- headed by FL Secretary of State Katherine Harris -- to remove thousands of African American voters from Florida's voting rolls in 2000 because their names were similar or identical to others who had been convicted of crimes, even though these voters had never been convicted of anything. So when they showed up to vote, they were told they were unregistered, thus handing the election to George W. Bush (who "won" by less than 600 votes in FL per the SCOTUS). And we all know how well that turned out for the Country.
In Florida in the 200 election, 1 out of every 11 ballots cast by an African American was DQ'd (9%), not even counting the thousands of African Americans who were disenfranchised before they ever reached the election booth (by voter elimination programs that the FL state government bought into before that election to screw Gore and other Dems out of some votes). Oddly, among white voters, the DQ rate was 2% -- 1 out of 50. Do the math. What were those GOP election officials in the panhandle doing with those Gore ballots?? Marking them twice while nobody is looking?
Face it, the GOP is just much better than the Dems when it comes to vote fraud. The Dems apparently have 2 or 3 idiots at work in a handful of states, and they get caught. The GOP systematically eliminated almost 75,000 nearly certain Gore votes in FL in 2000, and not only didn't teh perpetrators go to jail, they actually succeeded in throwing the election to the Governor's brother (under the watchful eye of the Corporate Media and a biased Supreme Court) -- an election he had lost nationally by more than 500,000 votes -- and now we have Campesino to tell us about rampant Dem voter fraud. How special is that?
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LFC
September 29, 2009 12:25 PM
Speaking of voter fraud, why wasn't Ann Coulter prosecuted for voting from her friend's address in a county where she wasn't eligible to vote.
And speaking of fraud through suppression, how about the massive phone bank jamming scandal perpetrated by the GOP. How many votes were "destroyed" because people couldn't get rides to the polls?
Hmmmmm. I came up with two federal level vote fraud cases by Republicans off the top of my head. Maybe it's time for the Justice Dept. to investigate the GOP for massive voter fraud.
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Campesino
September 29, 2009 2:34 PM
You guys are rather pathetically predictable. Periodically a post like this appears spouting the "voter fraud is a Republican myth" meme. All you have to do is put "voter fraud conviction" in teh Google and out pop 1.6 million hits. After you page through them you see that there really are regularly hundreds of indictments and convictions all over the country for voter fraud and that any a rational person sees the "voter fraud myth" is the REAL myth.
I have done this a number of times, commenting up examples that show the poster is foolish or lying. Then, as sure as the sun rises in the east, jokers like y'all trot out and start moving the goalposts. Someone always pops up with the pathetic argument that the 5 or 6 examples I paste in are all there are in the country (out of 1.6 million hits, right), and that it proves the point that it's rare. Or it's registration fraud, not voter fraud (though I put up examples of both) and really isn't so bad. Or you say it was only low-level Democrats who did it. Or some other silly attempt to sprint away from the facts.
And you dare call yourselves a reality based community. This silly myth is one more article of faith on the left, impervious to facts
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neroden
September 29, 2009 9:18 PM in reply to Campesino
OK, here's the thing:
(1) Nobody local has ever accused Troy politics of being clean. Just Google it.
(2) It appears this didn't even change the election results.
(3) Half the examples given by our Resident Republican weren't even voting fraud; some appear to have been people who were just confused about the election laws.
(4) There have been similar numbers of cases of voter fraud by Republicans. Just Google it! However, many weren't prosecuted, by complicit Republicans. Just Google it! Now you can see where the real problem is, eh?
(5) There have been even *more* cases of *election fraud* by Republicans. Because "voter fraud" doesn't freaking work to steal an election; it's just too small-scale. You've got to actually commit fraud at the *counting* stage. Like in Ohio 2000 or Georgia or Florida 2000 or San Diego County.... And the Republicans just keep advocating for privately-owned voting "machines" with secretly counted ballots so that they can make up whatever results they want.
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agin
September 29, 2009 7:46 PM
I know. Lets go to all diebold machines for voting. Maybe somehow they can get them to register us too. Then, for sure, the voting will be fair and honest. ( wink wink)
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