While Republicans are busy gnashing their teeth over President Obama's imminent indoctrination of the nation's schoolchildren, there's an education story bubbling up in Texas that could have considerably more far-reaching consequences.
The GOP-controlled State Board of Education is working on a new set of statewide textbook standards for, among other subjects, U.S. History Studies Since Reconstruction. And it turns out what the board decides may end up having implications far beyond the Lone Star State.
The first draft of the standards, released at the end of July, is a doozy. It lays out a kind of Human Events version of U.S. history.
Approved textbooks, the standards say, must teach the Texan student to "identify significant conservative advocacy organizations and individuals, such as Newt Gingrich, Phyllis Schlafly, and the Moral Majority." No analogous liberal figures or groups are required, prompting protests from some legislators and committee members. (Read an excerpt here.)
The standards on Nixon: "describe Richard M. Nixon's role in the normalization of relations with China and the policy of detente."
On Reagan: "describe Ronald Reagan's role in restoring national confidence, such as Reaganomics and Peace with Strength." (That's it.)
The Cold War section is rendered as "U.S. responses to Soviet aggression after World War II ... "
The state board of education, made up of 10 Republicans and five Democrats, has to vote on the standards twice in the coming months before they would go into effect.
Comments in the margin of the draft explain the proposed changes. And a persistent, tendentious conservative voice comes through throughout. Next to the section listing key names and groups from the civil rights movement and 60s activism, including Martin Luther King, Betty Friedan, and the American Indian Movement, it's noted that a committee member demanded parity ... for late 20th century conservative groups:
MV[Multiple Views]: One person: inclusion of 7 names and organizations disproportionate compared to only 3 in conservative section.
Next to a noncontroversial seeming item requiring students to "describe how McCarthyism, the arms race, and the space race increased Cold War tensions" is the note:
"MV[Multiple Views]: One member thinks that if McCarthyism is noted, then the Venona papers need to be explained that exonerates him."
A bullet point on "women and minority employment" as an economic effect of World II caused "one member" to gripe "there is too much emphasis on multiculturalism."
And "one member" deemed a section on "effective leadership" a perfect place to bring to students' attention Charlton Heston's celebrated (among right-wingers) culture war speech.
Here's what makes this a national story: what happens in Texas doesn't stay in Texas, says Diane Ravitch, professor of education at NYU.
That's because Texas is one of the two states with the largest student enrollments, along with California. "The publishers vie to get their books adopted for them, and the changes that are inserted to please Texas and California are then part of the textbooks made available to every other state," says Ravitch, who wrote a book about the politics of textbooks.
Rick Hess of the American Enterprise Institute explains it as a simple economic calculation by the big textbook publishers. "Publishers are generally reticent to run two different versions of a textbook," he says. "You can imagine the headache the expense the logistics, the storage, all of it."
But don't start saving for private school tuition just yet. A spokeswoman for the Texas State Board of Education tells TPMmuckraker the board will have to pass the standards first in January, in a "first reading and filing authorization vote," and then in March in a final vote, before they would go into effect. In an article on the controversy in the Houston Chronicle, one of the conservative leaders on the board actually predicted the standards will pass at least the first vote.
This one bears close watching.
Late Update: Phyllis Schlafly: Yes, my role in history should be in textbooks.
CVille Dem
September 4, 2009 9:16 AM
How is it that these minority lunatics get so much attention? These are the same people who are claiming that our elected President is not to be trusted in giving an nation-wide speech to school children! And they aren't being laughed out of town. They are treated seriously!
That stupid Chris Matthews even agreed that it was inappropriate for Obama to ask kids to write letters about how they could help the President, as though is was a subversive thing to do rather than an empowering thing to do for children.
Every day gets more discouraging than the day before.
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Chris
September 4, 2009 11:26 AM in reply to CVille Dem
As long as we let them dictate the conversation, it will continue.
What would be wrong with calling them a big shit pile of lies?
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CVille Dem
September 4, 2009 11:33 AM in reply to Chris
I call it that every day. They only listen to themselves, but somehow they get heard by everyone; by being outrageous they are getting face time on even the "mainstream" media.
They have truly gotten the message out that Ronald Reagan was the best President - EVER. Anyone with an ability to read critically knows that is a fiction. But it is out there as fact.
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revjmike
September 5, 2009 12:35 AM in reply to CVille Dem
Before George W. Bush, I considered Reagan to be the worst president of my lifetime. His nonsense ideas about "trickle down" economics and his complete inattention to national debt at the same time are part of the reason why we are where we are now.
More so, though, are the destructions of the social safety network destroyed by and since Reagan. Without that having happened Wall Street would not have collapsed; and far fewer, if anybody, would have been hurt because of cheaters on Wall Street and in business.
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DiogenesJr
September 4, 2009 11:44 AM in reply to Chris
Works for me. A lie is a lie is a lie. An opinion is one thing, but a lie is false witness. Even the Bible is agin it. Says so right in it, if they ever read it.
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CVille Dem
September 4, 2009 12:52 PM in reply to DiogenesJr
They don't read it; they prefer to thump it quite often, though. Especially in men's bathroom in airports; It's a signal.
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hollywood
September 4, 2009 2:13 PM in reply to CVille Dem
That thumping was Larry Craig wanting that young cute police officer to put his wewe where Larry could get a mouthful. Nothing wrong with that if you are a Republican Senator from a small redneck state. He just said fuck you liberals and finished out his term. Wanting to suck a stranger's dick at the airport isn't "gay" or anything so again fuck you liberals, conservatives can do what they want and you absolutely positively cannot do a damned thing about it.
Same with Texas textbooks. They can write that Reagan was a God and you tolerant sincere liberals can just piss off. Obama cannot even address the students and again you liberals can just piss off. Liberals do not have the balls to fight and they know it. Liberals are all polite and reasonable. Just look at your precious healthcare reform ..... public option my ass! Just because a majority in a democracy wants something does not make it so. You have to have the guts to shout down the assholes, and liberals are just too nice.
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 11:31 AM in reply to CVille Dem
Those "minority lunatics" own and operate the Texas Republican Party. The social conservatives send groups to vote in the precinct caucuses every four years and dominate the Republican caucuses. They send delegates to the next level, and dominate who goes to the Republican Party state convention. About two decades ago, they totally took control of the state convention, and since then the permanent staff of the party has been under their control.
The religious right controls the platform and demands that the politicians adhere to it, and those who don't are defeated in primaries. Again an overall minority dominates the primaries.
The reason the Texas Board of Education has 10 Republicans to 5 Democrats is that it is an elected board from individuals districts. Again, the religious right turns out their voters. Everyone else ignores the down-ballot race and the Republicans do not publicly discuss their religious or political views in the election campaign. They run as stealth candidates, and they have an assured bloc of right-wing voters.
That ability to leverage a committed minority and get them to the polls is why that minority of lunatics matters to everyone in the nation. Once they get office the power of incumbency keeps them there.
I suspect but don't know that Sarah Palin and Mark Sanford both came to office using that same leverage of the religious minority. Once in office, the religious right-wing wants to keep them there, and that's a function we are seeing exposed with the C-Street group.
Don't look for a conspiracy here with some central committee. It's a minority sub-culture trying to control its environment and evolving new techniques. Then they have their educational institutions to spread the techniques. Liberty University and Regent University are not accidental. Nor are the religious TV networks which both spread the messages and raise funds.
The Texas Board of Education is just one element of this minority culture and its effort to spread its ideology. Yes, they want to spread those textbooks to a national audience. They want control of what is taught in the public schools.
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JNagarya
September 4, 2009 6:29 PM in reply to Richardxx
They want to stupify the public schools so the only "text" eventually allowed in it is the addictive soporific "bible".
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 9:35 PM in reply to JNagarya
Yeah, and they will then be the "experts" who interpret what the bible means. That's the same as the current government in Iran with it's council of Mullah's who are superior to the law and the government. They determine who can even run for election based on their interpretation of the Koran.
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JNagarya
September 5, 2009 8:10 PM in reply to Richardxx
Where does the "Wild West"/"Conestoga Wagon" mythology come from which centers on a fantasied little one-room schoolhouse and the teaching of children how to read and write from the "bible," and therefore that's all they need -- or should get?
How did that become distorted as "freedom of religion" -- but only for MY "relgion"?
"Man is the only animal with the True Religion. Several of them." -- Mark Twain.
It constantly confounds me that the people of the states added to the Union after the Original Thirteen (Fourteen, actually) presume to lecture the Original Thirteen (Fourteen, actually) about how it's 'sposed to be, when their actual sense of "history" doesn't go back farther than "Wild West" gunfighters -- a myth largely created by dime novelists in New York -- and Conestoga wagons and a little one-room schoolhouse on the prairie.
And even then doesn't go back further than Hollowood's fictional depictions of those pastoral Heavenly Hereafters.
Look, as example, at the gun-nut posuers with guns on their hips (do they actually have jobs? or is it their job to be unemployed strutters?) who are somehow held by the self-flattering illusion that they are more manly men and "rugged individualists" than the Founders/Framers who fought a bloody War of Independence.
Has education in most of those other states always been so horrendous as to teach anti-intellectualism as the manly-man foundation of "freedom"? What is it that causes the confusion that gunslinging criminals are actually the "bulwark of liberty" against tyranny and predation?
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Richardxx
September 6, 2009 2:49 PM in reply to JNagarya
Those are interesting questions. I'm not sure where the "Wild West"/"Conestoga Wagon" mythology originally came from, but it spread to the rest of America in the early mass media and especially in the form of potboiler dime novels as you said. The rodeo later went East as a form of traveling circus to take advantage of that publicity, even to Great Britain. Then the early development of that amazing mass cultural media phenomenon, the movies, picked up the myth and both developed and spread it. You've got that exactly right.
The exact relationship to the end of the frontier is not something I am familiar with, but that seems like it is also probably important. My guess is that the closing of the actual frontier accentuated the growth of the frontier myths.
I've read something about popular music that suggests that country music is the form of music that expresses the longing of people of rural culture for the older agricultural ways of life and expresses the many travails of living in an urban culture. Rock and Roll, then, would have been the music of the second generation of urban dwellers as they took advantage of the new technologies and abandoned the older traditional stories. That would fit with what I have read about rural traditional cultures being resistant to change and urban modern cultures both welcoming and enjoying change. It's a logical expression of the case of large numbers of rural residents having to move to big cities. I've never seen it written or nor have I heard it, but I'd bet that also explains the switch from mostly westerns on TV to mostly cop shows that occurred in the 60's and 70's.
As for how "freedom of religion" became freedom only for MY religion, that seems clear if you look at the history of both the Pilgrims and the Mormons. Both were oppressed by a dominant religion that owned the local government in their original locations. There they demanded freedom of religion but didn't get it. So they moved to somewhere else where they could practice their new religion. But they also took with them the cultural practice of government being controlled by one dominant religion, a practice which is typical of rural agricultural cultures.
When they got to the new location they set up their own government, established their own religion as the dominant one, and continued the traditional practice of oppressing competing faiths.
As for the gun-nut poseurs, I think that's a combination of things. Originally it was really significant politically, but after the civil war the importance of the militia declined. Then we came into the century of war – the twentieth century – in which we have fielded mass armies and had the draft for much of the century. Many, perhaps most, of the veterans I know prefer to own a firearm. They are simply more comfortable with them. I know that I am. Then the gun manufacturers took over the National Rifle Association after the Vietnam War and used it to spread the gun culture. It greatly expanded sales to civilians. It also got caught up in the fear of the Civil Rights Movement, so it became a politically conservative myth. So you have the myths spread by the media (watch the movies and TV. A character pulling out and cocking a gun kicks the adrenaline of the show into a higher gear automatically. It's a standard scene to change the tempo of the show and to define character.), the culture of firearms which is both rural and military, the business of firearms sales, and the political use of firearms as an issue. That's my best guess, anyway. As should be obvious from this answer, I have wondered about that question for a long time.
Your question on education and the myth of the gunslinger as hero is one that I think my traditional/rural modern/urban cultures largely explains. The most powerful source of authority in a traditional culture is person-to-person teaching and authority is the primary source of knowledge. If the authority disagrees with something that is merely written, the authority is generally considered primary.
Modern/urban culture is built on schools and books, and teaches that authority is to be questioned. A university is in fact a library and a set of social institutions around it designed to maintain that library and teach others to use it. The rest of the education system is in effect a farm system to the universities and a way of spreading the modern urban culture to society. That is a key to the flexibility of modern culture. That system of thinking and placing authority lower than what is in books and personal judgment is in fact one of the things the conservatives reject. The way of thinking in formal schools is what the conservatives consider 'Intellectualism.' It's why the social conservatives are trying to destroy the public schools.
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JNagarya
September 7, 2009 7:02 PM in reply to Richardxx
To me universities are reading and writing for tests. :)
Interesting response: though very slightly different than my surmise, it's actually essentially the same.
"I've read something about popular music that suggests that country music is the form of music that expresses the longing of people of rural culture for the older agricultural ways of life and expresses the many travails of living in an urban culture. Rock and Roll, then, would have been the music of the second generation of urban dwellers as they took advantage of the new technologies and abandoned the older traditional stories. That would fit with what I have read about rural traditional cultures being resistant to change and urban modern cultures both welcoming and enjoying change. It's a logical expression of the case of large numbers of rural residents having to move to big cities. I've never seen it written or nor have I heard it, but I'd bet that also explains the switch from mostly westerns on TV to mostly cop shows that occurred in the 60's and 70's."
Re. music: I think of rock 'n roll as democratic music -- the music of democracy: "anyone" can pick up an instrument and have a hit record, and will be guaranteed to attract large audiences of ordinary folks.
For that reason I object to the nonsence that there can be a "king" of it. In addition, we are not a monarchy (so we can't be having dukes an' duchesses and lawds).
And a fascinating theory I read some time ago -- an essay by a Britisher -- posited that The Beatles were a combination of -- get this -- British folk music, and US R&B. I think there's much truth in that. And, of course, so-called country and western music (which is made in a city in the east) is at root Anglo-Saxon.
"As for how "freedom of religion" became freedom only for MY religion, that seems clear if you look at the history of both the Pilgrims and the Mormons."
The Pilgrims were saints compared to the Puritans who founded MA-Bay Colony. Various CT colonies were founded by banishees -- those invaribly individuals with one or another "wrong" "religion". And Rhode Island and Providence Plantations was founded by a banishee -- who deliberastely founded it on freedom of conscience/"religion".
MA-Bay had on the books a law which banished "Papists" -- Catholics. And if they returned to the Colony, they were executed. (There was a compassionate exception: if "Papists" were shipwrecked, they were to be saved from drowning, dried off, fed -- and then kicked out of the Colony, with execution offered should they return.)
Quakers were beaten, dragged through the streets, imprisoned. In one instance, Mary Dyer and her husband, and other male Quaker, were banished. They returned and all three were sentenced to death. Just before they were hung on the Boston Common, her husband prevailed and she was banished. (The two men were hung -- which just shows to go that women were oppressed.)
She was banished again. But she returned and was hung (her husband no longer available to prevail). Ther is a statue of her (but not of the two men) in front of the MA state house -- an apology.
"Both were oppressed by a dominant religion that owned the local government in their original locations."
That is true for MA-Bay: one couldn't run for elective office if one didn't own land; one couldn't own land if one had a "wrong" "religion"; so the dominant "religion" lobbied the gov't it owned for laws favorable to its maintaining its dominance.
"There they demanded freedom of religion but didn't get it. So they moved to somewhere else where they could practice their new religion. But they also took with them the cultural practice of government being controlled by one dominant religion, a practice which is typical of rural agricultural cultures."
All I know is that the myth that all these groups came to this continent for "freedom of religion" only meant "freedom for MY religion".
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Powkat
September 4, 2009 12:14 PM in reply to CVille Dem
The whole flapdoodle over Obama's speech to schoolchildren is racism, pure and simple. Listen to what they say - it's the same 'he's a Muslim, not an American, secret [commie, socialist, fascist - take your pick]' meme they have been yelling since the election. Translated it means, 'No black man should be president.'
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emjayay
September 4, 2009 1:16 PM in reply to Powkat
These people believe in top down authoritian structure in their families and nationally. The president is the ultimate authority figure/role model. A skinny half black multiculturally raised guy cannot assume that role. It's basically racism, but there's more to it than that. If it was Clarence Thomas instead of Obama they would be happy, and he's probably about twice as black as Barry.
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Stiggs
September 4, 2009 1:38 PM in reply to CVille Dem
This "letters about how they could help the president" nonsense bugs the shit out of me. The white house has clarified this as "write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals." The two different wordings are anything but contradictory (seeing as the address is going to be about students achieving academic success in the short and long term). And the clarification completely answers the complaint that "we don't know what he's going to talk about".
But rather than deal in reality, the lunatic fringe are doing what they do best - using (or creating) ambiguity to produce an atmosphere of fear (an atmos-fear?). In thinking about it, this makes perfect sense. There are lots of legitimate complaints you can raise about Obama - regardless of whether you are on the left or right. But these people aren't interested in realities or legitimate complaints because all they want is power, not to make things better for those who would give them power.
A cautionary tale for those interested in tearing down others is the Clinton-Lewinsky fiasco. The complaint was real (he did get a bj) and some might even argue legitimate (okay, they would be wrong). But it was never actually about the morality behind a married man getting a hummer from somebody other than his wife. It was about power, the goal was to distract Clinton from accomplishing his agenda (and to a degree it worked). But a number of those criticizing Clinton have since had their own sex scandals exposed, with much more significant legal and ethical implications which exposes them for the hypocrites and dicks that they are (Vitter may have actually been paying for sex while calling on Clinton to resign).
Oops.
If instead you make up vague "they're different, bad and everything they do is evil" insinuations, it's a lot harder for that to get turned around on you (if you have broad swathes of the MSM willing to play along, that is). And if the claims trigger and support conscious and unconscious feelings of racism, so much more the successful.
And Matthews is an ignorant douche. A friend referred to him as the O'Reilly of the left. Like that was a good thing. He does have his moments of making a good point or taking a worthwhile stand but he spends so much time thrashing around that I think any benefit is negligible.
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JNagarya
September 4, 2009 6:35 PM in reply to Stiggs
Except that he isn't of the Left, because, first, he is out of touch with the "Left," so doesn't know what the "Left" actually thinks or believes; and, second, there isn't any Left of significance.
I don't know what he imagines himself to be, but he seems untethered -- disconnected: protesting that he's (impleidly) a Democract or at least Liberal, while at the same time praising Reagan up and down, foremost for his being Irish.
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Stiggs
September 4, 2009 6:54 PM in reply to JNagarya
Maybe that's what my friend was driving at. Matthews and O'Reilly are both ignorant, loud and militantly Irish (but not the way the term woud typically interpreted).
Allowing for your argument that Matthews isn't really part of the left (which isn't a snarky semi-dismissal, you're probably right - I don't really pay attention to him), if one cared enough to try they might be able to make a complimentary argument about O'Reilly. That he too is untethered and floats through his life behaving reactively without the intellectual fortitude to develop real ideological positions.
Thanks a lot. Now my head hurts. How about we just agree to ban both O'Reilly and Matthews from ever speaking again? That would make the world a better place, I'm sure. (Pesky first amendment, no wonder they didn't want to include it in the constitution...)
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Virginia
September 4, 2009 10:01 AM
From what I've seen of the textbooks and curricula in my state (Virginia) we're practically there already.
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slb
September 4, 2009 12:35 PM in reply to Virginia
Well, they weren't exactly a shining beacon of objective scholarship when I was in school in the 1960s, either. I remember vividly that my fourth grade Birginia history textbook baldly stated that liberation was a very bad thing for the slaves after the Civil War, because suddenly they had to feed and clothe themselves instead of having the luxury of a benevolent master to provide for them.
I swear, I am not making that up. And I am ashamed to say that I believed it at the time. (Hey, I was ten years old.) Fortunately, I learned differently when I grew older, but I am sure there are still people my age who never read another book after finishing school, except maybe romance novels and science fiction, who still pretty much see things in the slanted way they were presented in those textbooks.
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slb
September 4, 2009 12:36 PM in reply to slb
{sigh} Did I really misspell "Virginia"? Geez...
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revjmike
September 5, 2009 12:39 AM in reply to slb
By "Birginia," I thought you were combining "Virginia" with "John BIRCH Society."
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slb
September 6, 2009 2:52 AM in reply to revjmike
LOL!! The "happy slaves" meme sort of sounds like something that might even have come from the birchers, but it turns out to be even older than that. I was doing some research on another topic several years ago, and I stumbled onto a brief news item in an 1868 Richmond, VA newspaper reporting a freed slave who was found dead in a ditch in the city. The paper went on to lay blame for his death at the feet of the Freedman's Bureau, saying that "he died of too much freedom and too little cornbread." Nearly 100 years later, the state's history textbooks would still be reflecting that viewpoint.
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ohyeathatsright
September 4, 2009 10:34 AM
Is liberal outrage so much to ask for?
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NobleCommentDecider
September 4, 2009 10:35 AM
Freedom isn't free, books need to be censored by politicians for content.
Why can't the local school districts choose their own textbooks? Does Texas run Republican re-education camps and not schools?
I imagine the book selected will be published by Lynn Cheney or Richard Mellon Scaife with money skimmed to send to the GOP. This looks like the Republican answer to Nazi book burning, mandate content before they are printing.
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jeffgee
September 4, 2009 11:01 AM in reply to NobleCommentDecider
That would be nice but the cost of producing textbooks is so high (so they say) that the publishers defer to the largest states.
I have worked on graphic production on textbooks and they already dumb it and bland it down a lot to reach a national common denominator. Everything is done to cater to California and Texas. The wingers have hijacked school boards across the nation, now they want to codify their narrow view in schoolbooks.
The goal is a permanent GOP majority. By any means possible. KKKarl would be proud of this. What better way to indoctrinate the next generation of voters than to start 'em young on history revision.
And yet they're outraged that President Obama wants to speak to schoolchildren about working hard to learn.
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DiogenesJr
September 4, 2009 11:27 AM in reply to jeffgee
Well, they are expressing outrage. But machines can't actually feel anything. They only follow their instructions. They've been instructed to express outrage. That is enough for them. Understanding why is beyond the scope of their concern.
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Cool Blue Reason
September 4, 2009 12:06 PM in reply to jeffgee
The irony, of course, is that the movement conservatives are leveraging the very institutions that they oppose (the top-down, freedom-hating educational bureaucracy) in order to undermine them. When I read this, I feel like we need to do away with educational "standards" in order to prevent fuckwads like these from exploiting them.
The irony is even deeper, given that the first major political victory of the modern right-wing fundamentalist movement was the violent reaction to a West Virginia school's proposed textbook curriculum in 1974. Three and a half decades later, these folks have come full circle, and indeed they have up'ed the ante in terms of their authoritarian and Orwellian bent.
It seems to me, the only reasonable "standard" for textbooks should be that they be written by actual experts in the subject area -- not some committee of ideologue mouth-breathers. Then we should set the "standard" for teachers to inculcate some critical-thinking skills, and we should be set. Do this at the federal level, and hopefully we never have to read another one of these articles again.
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 12:22 PM in reply to Cool Blue Reason
We're never going to get to where we don't have to fight with these idiots. It's like keeping termites out of a wood house. You win one battle but must always be vigilante for the next incursion somewhere. And it will happen.
The reason why the battle for control of textbooks is at the state level in Texas is that previously what was taught was controlled at the level of the Independent School District. When the School Board was controlled by the local community elites, those elites controlled the textbook.
Return to that level of control and in rural Texas (for example) the school textbooks would come directly from the Discovery Institute and the Heritage Foundation.
Move control to the national level, and that is where the next battle with the conservatives would move.
The battle will never end and it must be fought. Isn't that true for every freedom? Only the battlegrounds really change.
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slb
September 6, 2009 2:55 AM in reply to Richardxx
Good analogy.
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 12:11 PM in reply to jeffgee
They are outraged by Obama's speech because they hate competition - like any cult.
Cults isolate their victims and feed those victims the accepted propaganda. That's what the religious right and the conservative movement are both working towards. That's why the shout down opponents. It isolates the victims with only the accepted message and all the cultural pressures to go along with the overall group.
Obama is not their biggest opponent, but he really is their most powerful one. They've got to shout him down to survive because their ideology and messages are insane.
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DiogenesJr
September 4, 2009 2:11 PM in reply to Richardxx
I think you might be on to something with this 'cult' thing. Their behavior increasingly resembles the leaders of Jonestown just prior to their great eschatological tipping point.
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 6:22 PM in reply to DiogenesJr
That's what I think. The conservatives (religious and otherwise) seem to me to be reacting like threatened cults.
In fact, I can't imagine another social force besides feeling threatened that could have gotten evangelicals and Wall Street Republicans to support each other. Both are really outside the mainstream of the American culture. So are the Libertarians. The conservative think tanks, the discovery institute, the CATO Institute and the evangelical media and education networks are efforts to reverse the direction of American secular culture. It is working on the MSM to a large extent.
But feeling threatened failed to get them to unify behind one candidate when the Republicans tried to choose a Presidential nominee. That's why McCain had to choose Palin.
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JNagarya
September 4, 2009 6:53 PM in reply to Richardxx
There you nail it: it isn't that these people are afraid -- to assert that they are is a self-defeating false sympathy. They feel THREATENED.
They are too confident, too arrogant, to self-righteous, in their misinformation, and too lacking in critical thinking, to be afraid.
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Richardxx
September 5, 2009 10:44 AM in reply to JNagarya
In my experience, when I see excessive confidence, arrogance and self-righteousness it is normally a cover for underlying fear. If you can deal with the person's fear, they disappear.
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JNagarya
September 5, 2009 6:41 PM in reply to Richardxx
I don't think arrogance masks fear; I think it masks its opposite: feelings of inadequacy, inferiority. Those generate the "fear" -- anxiety.
Another more superficial way to put it: it is based upon ignorance of the humility necessary to being imperfect.
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brewmn61
September 4, 2009 4:52 PM in reply to jeffgee
My wife is pregnant with our first child. I already decided that I was going to try influence he (or she) to find a career that woud take them abroad for much of their earning lives.
But, Jesus H. Christ, I didn't think I would have to consider home-schooling them as well!
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tlees2
September 5, 2009 7:19 PM in reply to brewmn61
Not to mention having to write your own history textbook.
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Matt Jones
September 4, 2009 10:35 AM
Maybe they can include a critical analysis section on how the same party that nearly passed a Constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget then turned around and ran the highest deficits ever seen. That's one that's always confused me.
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GTFOOH
September 4, 2009 10:41 AM
Since 1909 Texas A&M University students have worked together each year to build a massive bonfire. If they are in need of fuel, they need not look far!
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junkmailqueen
September 4, 2009 10:44 AM
Time to start broadcasting subliminal messages over the Texas airwaves: "Secede ... secede ... you know you want to..."
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 12:31 PM in reply to junkmailqueen
I hope you are ready to resettle us refugees. And I won't accept a camp in Oklahoma, Louisiana or Arkansas. They are all worse than Texas. Inhofe? Jindel? Huckabee? They each make Rick Perry look positively sane.
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Walter Mitty
September 4, 2009 10:44 AM
I think home schooling is really the way to go. Telling kids to study hard and stay in school is indoctrination however waxing poetic about Republicans in school text books is a-ok.
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sandi
September 4, 2009 11:30 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
And Ronald Reagan used his schoolkid speech to extol tax cuts.
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 12:36 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
Come off it. ALL education is indoctrination. Ask the Jesuits.
It's just a question of which indoctrination is acceptable, and how those with different indoctrinations deal with each other.
But then, that issue of "how those with different indoctrinations deal with each other" is simply another level of indoctrination, isn't it.
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DiogenesJr
September 4, 2009 2:13 PM in reply to Richardxx
All culture in indoctrination. All parenting is indoctrination. An infant is a tabula rasa, a stone age baby. The fight is over which tribes mythology will rule.
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 6:05 PM in reply to DiogenesJr
Yeah. I was just reacting to the use of the term "indoctrination" as something inherently bad.
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DiogenesJr
September 4, 2009 10:54 PM in reply to Richardxx
Well sure, it has the patina of brain washing. But whenever someone leaves a tribal belief system, embracing what appears to be alien ideas and practices, the tribe suspects indoctrination. Socialism seems to be some kind of secret code word for these right wing morons that means something different to them than it does to me. The word doesn't overtax my adrenal glands in the same way. But they live in a false, imaginary reality, and ordinary language seems to indicate something utterly different within the context of their shared delusion. They speak English, but it means something else to them than it does to us--something terrifying. Inhofe just said he doesn't know if the country can hang on for another 16 months--Jesus Christ, Man, if it can survive 8 years of Bush/Cheney, it can survive anything.
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Richardxx
September 5, 2009 11:05 AM in reply to DiogenesJr
I agree with you that the conservatives interpret words very differently from the way I often do. The basis of that is, I think, cultural. I've been trying to work out the nature of their different culture - what you call their shared delusion - and what it implies.
One ironic thing, though. It's rather clear to me that special interests, particularly the Wall Street Free Traders - are using that culture to stoke conflict for their own benefit. The funny thing about it to me is that the free trade they are pushing is the very source of so much of the social change that is threatening to the culture of the conservative base.
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emjayay
September 4, 2009 1:27 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
Too bad 75% (actual statistic) of home schooling is by fundamentalist Xians who don't want their kids to be exposed to Satan's ideas, like evolution and the Enlightenment and stuff like that. Good luck with the field trips with other homeschoolers. Probably mainly want to go to that museum with the cavemen riding dinosaurs.
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emjayay
September 4, 2009 1:31 PM in reply to emjayay
Ooops, that comment was supposed to be a reply to Walter Mitty's homeschooling comment a few posts above.
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Bearlegdairy
September 4, 2009 10:56 AM
Phyllis Schlafly is one of those select few women who allow me to overcome my inhibitions over using the c word.
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DiogenesJr
September 4, 2009 11:42 AM in reply to Bearlegdairy
C for Confused? Coniving? Contemptible? Churlish? Of course, some C words are among my very favoites--Contemplation, Compassion, Complexity. Unfortunately, Schafly does not know the meaning of those words.
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Cool Blue Reason
September 4, 2009 12:13 PM in reply to DiogenesJr
Cooter.
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JNagarya
September 4, 2009 6:57 PM in reply to DiogenesJr
C*nt -- you know, the female equivalent, which is taboo, to the term "prick," which latter insult women -- who object to the former -- have no inhibitions against slinging.
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DiogenesJr
September 5, 2009 10:55 AM in reply to JNagarya
Gee, I have never heard the word Cunt before. After 60 years of living and siring 3 children, thanks for the edification.(Actually, I am looking at the book on my bookshelf, titled: Cunt, as I write this). Words do not frighten me, so I don't see the need to alter the spelling of cocksucking motherfucking asshole to submit to someone else's delicate sensibilities regarding the spelling of words.
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JNagarya
September 5, 2009 6:37 PM in reply to DiogenesJr
Did you READ what I wrote?
A woman calls someone a "prick" and there's no objection. A man (most likely) calls a woman a "c*nt" and there's hell to pay.
I don't spell it out not only for that reason, but also because I object to sexism and sexist attacks, including the female.
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slb
September 6, 2009 3:17 AM in reply to JNagarya
The difference is likely at least in part because the two are not entirely equivalent, at least not in American usage. "Cunt" -- to me, anyway -- carries a connotation of nastiness that "prick" does not.
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JNagarya
September 7, 2009 6:26 PM in reply to slb
It does for me also. But as "prick" is the exact equivalent, why should it NOT carry the same degree of nastiness?
Why? Because it is used so often and casually that we are desensitized to it. I would like to see "prick" be used as rarely -- which means never -- as "c*nt". (That's why the "*": my distate for the word, and the respect I give to those who it would hurt. I only ask the same consideration.)
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sully18
September 5, 2009 6:32 PM in reply to Bearlegdairy
Me too.
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DiogenesJr
September 4, 2009 11:21 AM
This is simply disgusting. No amount of ideological mythology will ever trump the real world. Sonner or later reality will slap you up side the head. What happens when the kids grow up and discover they've been lied to all these years? Why do Republicans want to turn the USA into Red China? Really and truly, what is wrong with these people? Are they infected with some weird disease?
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emjayay
September 4, 2009 1:20 PM in reply to DiogenesJr
When these closed minded information averse kids grow up they won't come in contact with any information contrary to their world view. They either ignore actual news or insist on getting it from Fox or Rush. If you can disbelieve all of science you can disbelieve, or believe, anything.
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DiogenesJr
September 4, 2009 2:23 PM in reply to emjayay
There are plenty of fundy kids who grew up to get a liberal education and became scientists. Their educated belif system puts them in conflict with their family, but his happens all the time. It is not the static situation you describe.
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emjayay
September 4, 2009 3:46 PM in reply to DiogenesJr
True, there is hope. Many kids do grow up to question the values of their parents. More likely among those raised to be critical thinkers, and those who go to college (probably particularly away to college, and real college, not fundy college), I would think. Although I've known a few people who did all that and just seem to have missed the questioning gene. By the way Diogenes, I'm sure I'm supposed to know who your avatar pic is, but I don't. (?)
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 1:49 PM in reply to DiogenesJr
Yes, they are. We are currently fighting a culture war. There are two cultures in America, one that is traditional and rural, and the other that is modern and urban.
The North and Northeast US has long been more urban than the South and the West. The cultures are very different. The Republicans are playing to the rural cultures and the Democrats to the urban ones. That's what the red/blue map by counties across the US in the November election demonstrated.
America is now more urban than rural in population, but the Constitution was designed to put the rural elites in Control of the Senate to keep the urban populations (big cities) from controlling the national government. That's why the healthcare battle is stuck in the Senate. Healthcare reform is an issue that threatens the control of the rural elites.
Social diversity is an urban issue because large cities cannot be a single ethnicity. That many people living close together cannot simply trade and deal with only people they know and go to church with.
The Enlightenment is a form of thinking that is a urban phenomenon. It does not depend on tradition as a source of authority, and accepts social change a lot more rapidly than do traditional societies.
Religion is a rural issue for the same reason. Rural areas tend to have mono-ethnic elites dominating them. Tradition is the main source of authority. Religion and common values taught in the schools are an important part of what keeps such rural areas socially stable.
What we are enduring right now is the political shift from the rural traditional culture to the urban modern culture. It is an inevitable shift as the population moves to large cities. The traditional elites feel that they are losing control and they are right. The extremism and violence on the right are symptoms of that fear of loss of control over their society.
The problem is that our political institutions are designed to slow change to the kind of changes the traditional rural elites approve of, and the needs of the population require the more rapid and flexible changes demanded by urban populations. In particular, the Senate was designed to slow change down. It's doing that right now.
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DiogenesJr
September 4, 2009 2:21 PM in reply to Richardxx
I am sure there is some truth in what you say but your granularity is off by a factor. If you study the electoral map on a precinct by precinct context, there are blue precinct in even the reddest states. I have lived in rural parts of the country and known just as many rednecks living in the city, and retired astro physicists living in the country--so, the generalization is tending towards myth making. Actually, the areas that developed along waterways and railroads are the bluest in every region. Enlightened liberal values have something to do with the peripatetic nature of those areas. Culture is transmitted along trade routes.
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 5:57 PM in reply to DiogenesJr
I agree completely. But the trade is what created the cities in the first place. You are simply describing the development of the different culture of the cities. The urban culture has grown up largely in port cities and other trading centers. The traditional culture is based on agriculture.
When you get into the cities, they are not homogeneously urban in culture, either. During my lifetime I have watched as Texas converted from a primarily agricultural state into one the is over half city residents. As the rural workers left the farms (no jobs) and moved to the cities where they work in the modern form of organization (bureaucracy), they brought their rural culture (authoritarian leadership and reliance on religion for social cohesion) with them. They often didn't like the cities (city taxes, mass transit, being around and working with people of different cultures and religions) so with the freeways and automobiles they moved out to suburbs to avoid the city and commuted to town.
Well, now the near in suburbs are having all the same problems as the cities and the second generation has grown up - not on the farm but in and near the city. The voting patterns are beginning to change.
Here in Texas every major city except Fort Worth from voted for Obama and the Democrats. Big business had dominated Fort Worth - that's different from the rural urban divide. Dallas has gone Democratic.
Of course, a lot of rural counties along the border voted Democratic also, but that was ethnic. The Hispanics have been kicked out of the Republican Party and they know it.
At the national level, the granularity that matters to the political leaders is state and congressional district. The Congressional districts seem to be gerrymandered along rural/urban cultural lines. The states are what they are, so they will be divided by predominantly agricultural or predominantly urban.
I don't have the time to do the work needed to analyze each state by whether it is predominantly urban or rural and use that to predict the politics of the Senators and the Governor, but I'll bet is works out very closely. Just look at the Blue Dog Senators. They will likely be either from swing states or they will be left over from a Democratic Party that used to be a lot more rural but is being replaced by the Republicans. That's my bet, anyway.
As I say, I very much agree with your comment. But it's a lot more in depth than I had intended for a comment on a blog.
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DiogenesJr
September 4, 2009 10:45 PM in reply to Richardxx
The issue of the city mouse vs the country mouse was articulated at least as early as Aesop...but why is this a more significant issue in American politics than in other developed countries?
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Richardxx
September 5, 2009 10:34 AM in reply to DiogenesJr
Good question. I'm not sure that it is more significant. But we are going through it now, and many of the European countries have already gone through it. The problems Germany is having merging West and East Germany are based in part in a similar rural/urban culture clash. This is the cultural explanation for the clash between agriculturally dominated societies and industrial societies.
Here in the U.S. your issue of granularity is important. It becomes a question of which culture is politically dominant because no society is culturally homogeneous.
I consider it important because it tends to explain who is ready for change and who is fighting it, as well as which states and congressional districts are going to send conservative or liberal Senators or Representatives. The fact that political institutions lag behind the cultural change also explains why the American health care solutions stall in the Senate. The British have had that same problem with the House of Lords, and they have neutered the Lords over the last century as a result. There is talk now, I have read, of changing the name from "Lords" to something else. The British Senate, maybe?
The question I have been trying to understand is why so many conservatives have been making public statements that seem utterly insane to me. The surface discourse simply does not adequately explain Sessions, DeMint, Inhofe, Coburn, and so on. A lot of the politicians (not all – some like Michelle Bachman are true believers) are playing to their base, but what explains the base? My conclusion is that there are two cultures here, currently clashing, and the conservatives feel they are on the losing side so that many of them are panicking.
The thing about culture is that it is something you learn as subtext from family, church, peers, and other social situations. Culture is not taught explicitly. You are learning what "feels" right and wrong rather than what is logically right and wrong. Cultural inputs to decisions you make are not logical, but they are very powerful. Those things that people are willing to fight over are rooted in the culture they have been socialized into. The very different norms and values that are required to make an urban industrial society work from those of a traditional agricultural society seem to me to explain both the heat of the conflict and many of the issues.
The thing is, universal health care causes a typical urban/rural split. The urban reaction to failure to get health care for a lot of people is to set up a rational system, finance it through and appropriate organizations, in this case government because smaller privately funded organizations have consistently failed to deliver for two generations, and apply rational scientific medicine within that system. The conservative reaction is to leave the issue of individual health care to the person and to God and don't expect others to be forced to assist.
The conservative approach is unworkable in large cities, and the population is becoming more urbanized. Which view will win? Framing the issue as a culture clash within a lagging political structure highlights the issues, their importance and who the players will be and why.
But the political structure was designed to put the rural elites into the stronger position (the Senate) and the Constitution is also designed to be changed only with the agreement of those rural elites. That's why this conflict has gone on so long (Since 1945) without resolution.
The violence, near violence and the Bachman-type insanity are occurring because the conservatives see the end coming, and they are losing. The city mice are overcoming the political barriers to change established by the country mice. The country mice feel frightened and threatened and they are lashing out irrationally. Since tradition and social constancy are more important to them than efficiency and rationality, they often seem insane (irrational) to the city mice. I suspect that is because they get the important information they use in decision-making from other people rather than from reading materials. That seems well-documented with George W. Bush (who is a very traditional aristocrat.)
At least that's how I see it from my mouse hole in the city.
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slb
September 6, 2009 3:47 AM in reply to Richardxx
Thank you for a very interesting and instructive take on this conflict. But I have to confess that this passage gave me a chill:
That is, of course, exactly what happened during the 1850s in the runup to the Civil War. The pro-slavery interests in the rural South saw an end coming to their dominance of the national government, and that the industrial North was in the ascendancy. And there was violence, and insanity, demonization of President Lincoln as a wild-eyed radical, and as subhuman, secession, and ultimately war.
Already, a man's finger has been bitten off in clashes between protesters. How much longer before Senators start punching each other out on the Senate floor?
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Richardxx
September 6, 2009 12:28 PM in reply to slb
Yeah. I don't see anything equivalent to the Kansas and the Missouri Border War or similar events yet. We probably won't, either.
Communications and government control over violence are both much better than they were in the pre- Civil War era. But if you have read any of Sara Robinson's writings over at Orcinus and her reference to Robert Paxton on the rise of Fascism, the real possibility is a form of fascism.
Fascism is the only political 'ism that has developed after the industrial Revolution. It pits the power of the popular irrational against the rationality of modernity. The cultural values and norms demanded to succeed in a modern industrial society are frankly difficult and run counter to the natural impulses a lot of people prefer to cater to. That's why modern society demands so much formal education. A political movement opposing those demands is to be expected.
As for the mechanism of political takeover, we've already got a populist mob with a predilection for thuggery that is rising out of the rural areas, and is ready to go after farm worker organizations (that's the anti Mexican immigrant element.) It has already combined with the Big Business corporate class and with the ultra conservative wealthy. They've already had a taste for power, and they refuse to cooperate with their opponents to govern. They've already taken over the Republican Party.
The last roadblock in their way is that they have not yet convinced the opposing political leaders to give them power again. That's what the obstructionism is all about. If they can show that the existing government cannot govern, then in desperation their opponents may react to public frustration by asking them to come back to implement their promises. That's the traditional fascist route to power. What form that would take in America I do not know, but politicians are imaginative. After that they take over and change the government structure to corporatist authoritarianism.
You'll notice that does not require uniformed masses in the streets. That's not an essential element to gaining power in a modern nation. Fascism is something that only happens in modern democracies with governments that have failed. You know - like Depression conditions and failing to provide health care to the population.
The specific American version of fascism will include the alliance of the corporatist nativists and the fundamentalist evangelicals. The tea baggers are the street thugs that make the early stages work. If they ally or coordinate with the militia movement it gets a lot more violent. That would last until the leaders get control of the government, remove Constitutional controls and don't need the thugs any more. The militia would then be organized and set up to control the military as a political power source in much the same way as the Saudi Arabian King has both an Army and a National Guard. Neither can conduct a coup independently. (I use that example to demonstrate that it is not just something Hitler did - SS vs Wehrmacht. It is common.)
That's a thumbnail sketch of what I got out of Sara's description of the five steps Paxton described, with a bit I added.
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JNagarya
September 4, 2009 6:46 PM in reply to Richardxx
It's more fundamental than that:
It is a culture war between, on one hand, the Original Thirteen and the values of the Founders/Framers, and on the other, many later-founded states whose populations don't know those values, but falsely believe they do by insisting that "Wild West" LAWLESSNESS is instead "freedom". That waving guns in everyone's face in the 21st century is wise and "freedom" because -- they delude themselves -- the Massachusetts-Bay colonists did so during the 17th century.
And, of course, "17th century" means "1700s," so there we are: the "revolution" was conducted by unhinged gun-waving ranters against "despots" and "tyranny"/rule of law, and law being enforced.
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slb
September 6, 2009 4:00 AM in reply to JNagarya
Umm, actually, the 17th century was the 1600s. The American Revolution took place in the latter portion of the 18th century.
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JNagarya
September 7, 2009 6:33 PM in reply to slb
I was being sarcastic. The unhinged I describe, for whom guns are the end-all and be-all of life, are not only ignorant of the actual history of the "revolutionary" era, they are totally ignorant of the 17th century and the consistent traditions begun then -- affecting, pertinently, private individual gun ownership -- which were continued by the Founders/Framers.
In fact, a more significant "revolution" occurred circa 1680, which resulted in the literal overthrow and arrest of the governor and lieutenant governor in the Province of Massachusetts-Bay. Nothing like that happened during the 18th century "revolution".
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johnmccsf
September 4, 2009 11:43 AM
My nephew is now enrolled in AP history courses in the Ft Bend ISD.
I have assumed responsibility for his history instruction
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Jesus B Ochoa
September 4, 2009 1:45 PM in reply to johnmccsf
In addition, you should have him read Susan's Kiss My Big Blue Butt regularly.
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xargaw
September 4, 2009 11:45 AM
The sooner they secede the better.
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GTFOOH
September 4, 2009 11:48 AM in reply to xargaw
Do we really have to wait for them to secede? Can't we just kick them out and be done with it?
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Cool Blue Reason
September 4, 2009 11:52 AM
Indoctrination: IOKIYAR. Otherwise, it's a risk to the future of the Republic.
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lcdrrek
September 4, 2009 12:06 PM
Recommend that you folks take a moment and read the comments in the Dallas Morning News about the upcoming speech to schools that Obama is planning.
Go to www.dallasnews.com and take a look around at any article about Obama.
Today columnist James Ragland wrote about the furor over the planned speech. Read this and some of the comments.
Unfortunately, I live in the Dallas area.
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hquain
September 4, 2009 12:10 PM
The civil war settled the legality of secession. But what about expulsion?
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patsyspartan
September 4, 2009 12:11 PM
"Could Texas' Gingrich-Based High School History Curriculum Go National?" As my son would say, "Ya think?" Texas always rules with the text book companies. It won't, I'm happy to say though, have the slightest effect on my private school.
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jeffgee
September 4, 2009 12:19 PM
Aww, c'mon, they're only carrying "No Child Left Behind" to their desired result.
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slb
September 4, 2009 12:28 PM
This is not new. Extreme conservatives have been working over the Texas State Board of Education for 30 years or more; this was one of the most common issues raised in the People for the American Way mailings I got when I was a member. Their gurus were a couple by the name of Mel and Norma Gabler. Mel has passed on, and Norma may have, too, for all I know, but they left the movement their trained elves.
What is different from 30 years ago is that Republicans have a tighter grip on the state of Texas, and that may go a long way toward explaining at least part of the problem we have with elementary and secondary education in this country.
Please note that the issue is not so much textbook selection as it is one of textbook content. Texas more or less gets to dictate the content of the available textbooks, because the publishers will tailor them to the state's demands trying to score big sales. And the rest of us are stuck with it.
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DiogenesJr
September 4, 2009 2:25 PM in reply to slb
good points.
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PeorgieTirebiter
September 4, 2009 12:44 PM
My wife teaches middle school in Allen, TX (upscale suburb just north of Dallas) and yesterday she was informed they won't be making Obama's speech available. The district cited concerns over students being kept out of school. In Richardson, again just north of Dallas, my 7 year old grandson came home with a waiver requiring a parent signature, allowing him to watch. NOT watching this historic address is the FUCKING DEFAULT decision for the district. My wife and I, as well as my son and his wife are livid. At what point do we start pushing back hard and how?
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CVille Dem
September 4, 2009 12:54 PM in reply to PeorgieTirebiter
I thought we were pushing back when we elected him; my mistake!
Where are is our Congress? Can you imagine if the same thing had happened when Bush was in charge?
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dpabowen
September 4, 2009 1:08 PM in reply to CVille Dem
At what point to you start pushing back? Ummm...how about now? You are in control of your own destiny! You have logic and fairness on your side. We're being bullied by a bunch of no-nothings who simply have the gumption to organize, plan and mobilize.
Run for the school board of Allen. Show up at their meetings. Get off your ass and get it done!
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PeorgieTirebiter
September 4, 2009 1:28 PM in reply to dpabowen
"bunch of no-nothings who simply have the gumption to organize, plan and mobilize." "...Get off your ass and get it done!"
Somehow I don't think the Florida RNC leadership organized and financed themselves last weekend in response to this.
Kiss my ass! I gotten off my ass for 35 years to pay taxes, donate money and time to my party and vote! I expect competent representation for my efforts. I'm not in the mood right now for glib suggestions about making empty and futile statements only to give a veneer of respectability to these assholes.
Next suggestion dpabowen?
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fsudirectory
September 4, 2009 12:53 PM
Is this not indoctrinating our children before they are 'able to make these decisions on their own' as they noted about a speech from Obama to tell kids to stay in school and set goals?
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slb
September 6, 2009 2:37 AM in reply to fsudirectory
Of course it is. It goes further, even, because it's actual indoctrination rather than imagined indoctrination. But it's conservative indoctrination, so it's OK.
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franzi
September 4, 2009 12:53 PM
As a college-level American history instructor, I can testify that it is important for students to understand how the conservative movement arose and gained momentum, its ideas, etc. I personally feel it's an important part of pushing back simply to understand clearly and concisely how the conservative movement has mobilized.
But that's not what these Republican ideologues want. They already have a de facto presumption that history isn't about having a critical understanding of why and how things happen, but rather they want to use history to glorify their own vision of society through hero-worship and obscuring the grass-roots level of how history is made. History isn't about critical engagement for them, but about retrenching the status quo by writing the things they don't like right out of the story. For those who are interested, go look at the 1987 National Education Association screed written by Lynne Cheney, et al.
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 1:56 PM in reply to franzi
They also want to exclude alternative views of history.
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rxbusa
September 4, 2009 1:10 PM
If the Texas schoolbook officials decide to do this, they might want to reconsider that bit about including stuff from the bible. It might make and interesting side-by-side comparison to see how Newt's ideology and actions match up against those of---oh, say maybe Jesus---the parts from Jefferson's bible, I mean.
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Dave Bowman
September 4, 2009 1:33 PM
This shows the absurdity of the 'teach both sides' position. When one side is on a positive fight for something like, say, civil rights, what is the learning experience about teaching the other side, except to see how wrong they were? Civil rights and women's rights are human rights.
Schafly is a fine example; besides being a tremendous hypocrite (why was she allowed to do the things she was advocating against?), what's so historical about denying others' rights? If she is included in the curriculum, then the State of Texas is advocating this position, her direct quote:
"By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape."
What a courageous stand, fighting for the 'right' to treat women as chattel.
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Winski
September 4, 2009 1:41 PM
This lunacy of letting texas dictate what's in American text books because they are the 'biggest' consumer of those texts is idiocy.. Just because they are big, certainly DOES NOT MAKE THEM RIGHT!!
The practice pf biggest is best when comes to our childrens' future has GOT TO STOP when comes as mandates from hillbilly heaven!
If we're holding Newt and Schafly as role models we are TRULY screwed.
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Richardxx
September 4, 2009 2:01 PM in reply to Winski
That's the free market at work.
Of course, if the federal government were to mandate what a national curriculum would include, that would change.
It would change both what the textbook manufacturers sold and it would change where the battle was being fought between liberals and conservatives.
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MyMy
September 4, 2009 1:41 PM
Not watching Obama's speech is deemed crucial to keeping their children quite ignorant of the fact that their president really and truly is a black man. It might give all those brown-skinned people IDEAS.
To put Newt and Schlafly on pedestals would be fine if it kept them out of our hair. Remember it was Schlafly's group that deemed Dewey's book Democracy and Education one of the 10 Most Dangerous Books Published in the 20th Century.
These folks hate democracy. They believe rich elites should rule and make other, 'lesser' people bow down to them. We are peons, they are Lords. YUCK!
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3star2nr
September 4, 2009 1:42 PM
So dictating what students learn is fine. But Obama giving a spech is indoctrination. what a bunch of retadrds
Republicans are Fascist
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Rich in NJ
September 4, 2009 1:51 PM
Oh please, states aren't going to adopt this nonsense.
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tenaciousd
September 4, 2009 1:59 PM
History is written by the victor, but apparently the curriculum is compiled by the losers.
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we r all husseins
September 5, 2009 1:03 PM in reply to tenaciousd
Well said.
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midnight rambler
September 4, 2009 2:09 PM
A majority of members on the Texas BOE are not just right-wing conservative ideologues, but serious lunatics. Notable among them (not just for being crazy, but as a leader; she came close to being named chair) is Cynthia Dunbar, who called public education a "subtly deceptive tool of perversion".
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saguaro
September 4, 2009 2:10 PM
If Texas were a country, it'd be a banana republic
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Matt Jones
September 4, 2009 2:44 PM
From the party that brought you "evolution is only a theory" stickers in science textbooks!
Actually, a textbook publisher with a sense of humor would respond to the criticisms about "not enough conservative groups" in the civil-rights section by adding profiles of the KKK, John Birch Society and the Aryan Nation movement. There's some history for ya!
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ohyeathatsright
September 4, 2009 2:53 PM
Still no coverage of this on the MSM of course. They're still talking about Obama's Socialist Indoctrination.
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twirling fartknocker
September 4, 2009 2:54 PM
They are also set to "downplay" or completely ignore figures such as Cesar Chavez of the UFW and Thurgood Marshall of the Supreme Court because we all know that people of color are soooo overrepresented in history books.
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seahawk
September 4, 2009 3:17 PM
Holy crap. Soon it will be progressives and mainstreamers that want to homeschool!
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seahawk
September 4, 2009 3:20 PM
Fight this in every way. The problem in Texas is that these people worked for years to infiltrate the Board of Ed. It may take more years, but this bullshit can be fixed I hope.
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midnight rambler
September 4, 2009 7:23 PM in reply to seahawk
"Infiltrate" implies that they snuck in, concealing their beliefs. To the contrary, they're quite open about them - they think that separation of church and state is a bad thing, that creationism should be taught in schools, etc. And people keep supporting them. Don McLeroy, who led the fight to promote creationism and was chair until just recently (and is still on the board), was removed as chair by the state Senate by only a single vote - nearly two-thirds of them voted for him. Of course another wingnut was appointed to replace him, and it's two years before the Senate meets to post hoc "confirm" them anyway, so little good it does...
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Kuyleh
September 4, 2009 3:39 PM
I'm ashamed to have graduated from a high school in that state. I won't be returning to let my kids go to school there.
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ejg3
September 4, 2009 4:58 PM
Will they get extra credit on reading about Newt's dumping his first two wives or being dumped by the Republicans as leader and quitting Congress.? And in memory of Phyllis Schafly's right wing screed from the Goldwater era (who by the way was pro choice) called "A Choice Not an Echo", should this measure of thought control be named "An Echo, Not a Choice" or should we revise the old right wing classic of None Dare Call It Treason to Done Would Dare Call It Reason. Colleges not giving credit for these courses would also help.
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OhSoBlue
September 4, 2009 6:16 PM
I wouldn't start saving money for that private school, but maybe a lawyer. When and if this goes through, you might want to start thinking about how you are going to sue the state of Texas or the school board or even the textbook companies.
Just sayin
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Charity
September 4, 2009 7:29 PM in reply to OhSoBlue
This was really a good, interesting conversation. My only addition to the above arguments: if textbook decisions are made on the basis of volume ordered through Texas and California, isn't that further, discouraging evidence of the fact that the social and political issues in this country are decided by the business sector? As with health care (insurance companies, pharmaceutical), foreign policy (arms manufacturers, "rebuilding" specialists), education (teacher's unions, yes, teacher's unions, textbook companies), haven't we sold our souls in almost every element of national policy, to the powerful special interests that really have made our government a plutocracy?
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PJEvans
September 4, 2009 8:58 PM
I'd think that a curriculum that is that politically biased would draw fire from one or more of the accrediting agencies, causing the state to consider whether it really wants its graduating students to have to take remedial classes when they go to college.
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patmcgrowen
September 4, 2009 9:50 PM
I would like to see more educational opportunities via home-based/small group internet schooling. I researched the idea with my son. It seems outdated to even speak of textbooks. Why aren't there just computer programs? My son had a math book that the teacher gave us on CD-rom. We downloaded it and gave it back to the teacher. Every student could have that book on computer from just one CD. I envision an education system where you could purchase a program from one of the best teachers in the nation and any child could learn from it. Think Rosetta Stone for all subjects. There should be semiannual tests to ensure that children are progressing on the same level regardless where their education comes from. A lot of taxpayer money could be saved by trimming the fat on some of these overpaid, worthless teachers. Probably enough to give every child a computer who doesn't already have one. Heck, children would learn better if they could incorporate education into video games, why not. The possibilities are endless.
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toomuchpr
September 4, 2009 9:52 PM
OK, it is time for sane America to go on the offensive and show these creeps the meaning of BLOWBACK. Specifically, it is time to sick the IRS on their churches and tax dodges. We need to cut the funding from these crazies. It was bad enough that I learned in the 70s and 80s history classes that we won the Vietnam war, but everyone McCarthyism - we all know that was wrong. Were it not for the enlightenment thinking democracy and the US would never exist. This texas think is antithetical to democracy and should be treated as such. Let's unleash a culture war on the anti-enlightenment bunch before they reinstate the feudal system.
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johnnydoughey
September 5, 2009 12:04 AM
Has anyone actually read one of the high school history books lately? They are nothing more than propaganda already, with little factual history below the surface. This is just one more way to de-educate youth so they will be more susceptible to the whims of whoever gains power in the future... nothing new.
If we really wanted to educate the next generation, we would incorporate a critical thinking class in with the history fluff so they might learn to make rational decisions. Won't happen, though, since we need a never ending supply of young people to go die for our false premises and REAL history would probably cut those numbers drastically.... IMHO
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Elle
September 5, 2009 1:39 PM
I think there are too many adults to allow Newty's program to leave Texas, so they can take it with them with them leave the country.
bon voyage texas
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angelfire
September 6, 2009 9:05 AM
More to support my claim that Texas should succeed from the Union immediately.
They left out the part about Reagan taking away our tax deductions for auto interest paid on an auto loan, credit card interest paid to cc companies, etc. Tax Reform 1986 I believe. He did more to hurt the working class with this tax reform and the assault on unions and the poor than anyone in our history.
He set the stage, was the true creator, of this class war we fight now where money determines one's value and anyone without money is somehow a liability to our country, disposable and disposable with God's blessing none the less.
The health care reform outcome will effect conservatives ability to rid the country of these "disposable" people. Those with health care (these numbers will increase as health care becomes too expensive for employers to maintain and many in these meeting shouting and ranting will wish they had kept quiet), will live and everyone else will not. It is a form of cultural cleansing...eliminating anyone not lucky or rich.
The surprise for me has been the reaction of our nation's elderly. They seem to support their own interests with no care for the people paying to support THEIR INTERESTS. Medicare and Social Security have certainly cultivated a very selfish and harsh group of people.
Do they not realize...they are next in this class war? The old, the feeble, the non-productive, the sick, those sucking the life blood from our tax dollars though no fault of their own except they lived too long to be healthy and of productive benefit? The bell tolls for thee too I fear.
Conservatives basically suck. They serve a free market money God. It will bite them in the end when they too fall victim to their parties physcho-babble.
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psyopswatcher
September 6, 2009 12:00 PM in reply to angelfire
"They serve a free market money God." Very true, but... only when it suits them. Obviously not in health care reform?
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psyopswatcher
September 6, 2009 11:58 AM
GW was in South Korea last month where he gave a speech to high school kids, after giving a talk to industry leaders and defense contractors. Wonder what that was about?
"Bush will also give a speech at a high school in Andong, which was founded by Ryu, before returning home on Tuesday."
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/08/113_49466.html
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smelter rat
September 6, 2009 10:29 PM
The USA is sooooooo fucked. I seriously doubt there is a fix.
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