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It's one thing for a national cable network to feature a Nazi sympathizer as a political analyst, and refuse to answer questions about it. It's another for that network to actively promote that person's apologies for Hitler.

But that's what MSNBC is doing.

We told you yesterday about Pat Buchanan's column, marking the 70th anniversary of the Nazi invasion of Poland, in which he argued that Hitler didn't really want war. We also told you that MSNBC wouldn't answer questions about its use of Buchanan as a frequent commentator.

But it turns out the network actually has Buchanan's revisionist column up on its own site, marked "commentary" -- as if this were a piece about, say, health-care reform, or Sonia Sotomayor.

That's right. Supposedly liberal MSNBC now has a column on its site that argues, essentially, that Hitler was a man of peace -- a point of view usually relegated to the fringiest of neo-Nazi newsletters.

Hard to know what more to say.

Late Update: MSNBC has now taken down the column -- after Media Matters and a Jewish organization had joined us in raising concerns. We've asked MSNBC for comment and will keep you posted.

Late Late Update: An MSNBC spokeswoman responds:

An editorial decision was made to remove the column from msnbc.com. Pat is a contributor to MSNBC, his syndicated column does not speak for the network or represent the views of MSNBC.

Good to know MSNBC doesn't think Hitler wanted peace, I guess. The spokeswoman didn't respond to our question about MSNBC's decision to continue having Buchanan on.

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September 3, 2009 11:47 AM   

To quote Charles Schultz: *Sigh*

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September 3, 2009 12:10 PM    in reply to Nowukkers

No. PUSH BACK. Please.

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September 3, 2009 3:52 PM    in reply to Shrubbit

No. You're right. There's no let-up from these crazies. And that was what prompted my *sigh*. A sort-of "Here we go again". The most reprehensible part of it is MSNBC's cynical calculation that they need to keep Buchanan to remain "balanced" - a sort-of "see - we even promote him!" desperation. Unfortunately, the only way these odious turds like Buchanan learn is when they undergo what they advocate for others. Sadly, they're so cosseted by their own ditto-heads they never feel the steel-toed cap of reality.

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September 3, 2009 11:51 AM   

The Overton Window just keeps getting pushed and pushed and pushed to the right. Republicans can, on a daily basis, on every issue, disgustingly accuse liberals and Democrats of wanting to "take away all our freedoms" and "destroy America!", yet when MoveOn.org rightfully accuses General Petraeus of being a political figure, the Democratically-controlled Congress takes time out of its busy schedule capitulating to the Republicans on substantial bills to capitulate to the Republicans on an entirely symbolic censure.

Remember, purple heart band-aids are legitimate political speech and worthy of a good laugh. Asking Sarah Palin what she reads is a "gotcha" question and is hitting below the belt.

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September 3, 2009 12:27 PM    in reply to Clavis

The messages from the right:

"Obama is just like Hitler! Stop Obama!"

and

"Hitler really wasn't that bad"

Das ist mein konfusen.

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September 3, 2009 2:53 PM    in reply to Stiggs

That's funny!

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September 3, 2009 11:52 AM   

absolutely disgusting. this is straight up pro-Hitler revisionism / sympathizing. how breath-takingly disgusting.

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September 3, 2009 11:59 AM   

Pat Buchanan, a living reminder that conservatives were batshit crazy long before teh wingnuts, teabaggers and birthers.

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September 3, 2009 12:14 PM   

I'm Jewish and I don't see much wrong with this article. He's taking a historical viewpoint that Hitler's ambitions for Germany may not have been his ambitions for the world and he's looking at a specific battle that triggered a war all of us wish never happened, including Buchanan.

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September 3, 2009 12:16 PM    in reply to dgoshilla

I'm Polish. Go fuck yourself.

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September 3, 2009 12:27 PM    in reply to dgoshilla

And when Buchanan writes a column saying the "Jews got what they asked for in those stoves by Hitler", I suppose "dgoshilla" will have no problem with that Buchanan piece of shit, either.

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September 3, 2009 12:28 PM    in reply to dgoshilla

Yeah, 1938 Hitler wasn't so bad!....Anschluss, Kristallnacht...no big deal.

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September 3, 2009 12:33 PM    in reply to dgoshilla

He doesn't wish it had never happened; he just thinks the other side should have won.

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September 3, 2009 12:40 PM    in reply to dgoshilla

Perhaps there was nothing to the Holocaust either...

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September 3, 2009 2:18 PM    in reply to charlie8080

Oh, I am sure our "Jewish" friend here will also say the Holocaust was greatly exaggerated.

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September 3, 2009 12:51 PM    in reply to dgoshilla

Wow, you must be some jew to say that. I am flabberghasted

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September 3, 2009 1:00 PM    in reply to dgoshilla

Seriously, my Polish relatives were wiped out. As I said above, the only way to do something constructive is to push back.

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September 3, 2009 2:16 PM    in reply to dgoshilla

Interesting.

They never talk much about the Jewish members of the German-American Bund.

Peace in our time, pal?

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September 3, 2009 12:18 PM   

If anyone doesn't know why Buchanan is wrong, I can only suggest a remedial education in the Nazi period. Don't get caught up trying to debunk individual details when he ignores such massive amounts of history. If anyone can't understand why the right is characterized as Nazis and such a characterization of the left is bizarre, show them Buchanan's column. He should never again be allowed on a respectable news outlet.

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September 3, 2009 12:24 PM   

As a careful amateur scholar of the Nazi era, I read Buchanan's little venture into "alternative history" carefully. He did not exonerate Hitler. He did not say that Hitler was right or wrong. He merely asked "Was the incident of September 1, 1939 sufficient cause for a war?" Kind of a stupid question, but not wrong nor does it constitute "Hitler-apologia". It's merely pointless speculation, and pretty innocuous speculation at that.

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September 3, 2009 12:28 PM    in reply to Numbersguy

Yet Saddam's invasion of Kuwait was pretext for not one, but two, wars?

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September 3, 2009 3:33 PM    in reply to MAX TARDCORE

Well, what Buchanan did NOT do is actually play the game completely. What he should have done is ask "OK, let's say Poland kept Britain and France from declaring war, granted Germany Danzig in return for money, and then what? Would Hitler have stopped there?" To my mind, there is no possible way that Hitler would have stopped. He won in Austria, he won in the Sudeten, now he would have won in Danzig, and so, he would have continued his adventure somewhere else. My reading of his intent is that his hatred, as a conservative, of socialism/communism was all-consuming, and his equally rabid hatred for the mongrel peoples of the USSR means that he was going to do the invasion sooner or later. But Pat did not do the intellectually honest thing of speculating on the next step. In my opinion, war was inevitable, and the Holocaust was going to happen so long as Hitler was in power. Thus, Buchanan's ridiculous little parlor game has no meaning whatsoever.

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September 3, 2009 12:50 PM    in reply to Numbersguy

Read between the lines. If this is mere "pointless speculation", to what end do you think Pat produced it?

To put this hack job revisionism in the public sphere, that's what. The point of this piece is not to put forward this idea that Danzig caused WWII, which is so ridiculous on its face, as to defy belief....The point of this is in the passage where Pat references the destruction of Europe and the loss of millions of lives, and lays the blame equally at the feet of the Allies.

That's revisionism of the highest order, all in the service of his bigoted Worldview.

As an amateur, but careful scholar of political spin, I'm pretty certain that's what's happening here.

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September 3, 2009 2:26 PM    in reply to Numbersguy

I also read Buchanan's post carefully.

But it is hard for me to understand exactly what the historical question Buchanan is asking. I think that the "premise question" of his post is deliberately left fuzzy, because any question you could ask about Nazi intentions or Allied responses that attempts to diminish the Nazi evil is ridiculous.

Is the question, "Should Danzig have been returned to Germany before 1939?" That question is ridiculous because Germany had already shown its aggressive nature by occupying Austria and invading Czechoslovakia. And even if their is the slightest case for Germany to have Danzig, they would not have the right to invade Poland to get it (splitting the Polish nation with their new secret ally Russia).

Is the question (as Numbersguy surmised), "Was the war that followed the Poland invasion worth it?" This question is ridiculous because it the "worth it" part refers to England and France declaring war on Germany. It evidently means that if they had not declared war after Poland, then Germany would have been satisfied and not launched a larger world war. But that appeasement was exactly what had already been shamefully tried with Czechoslovakia.

And Buchanan directly asks, "But where is the evidence that Adolf Hitler...was out to conquer the world?" This is the most ridiculous question of all. What proof is there that Hitler was trying to conquer the world? How about that that is what he actually ended up doing! Britain and France may have declared war on Germany after Poland, but they actually did nothing against Germany. There was no invasion of German land (except some ineffectual troop movements in the Alsaise-Lorraine area of the France-German border) and no bombing of German cities or armament manufacturing. About the only thing that was done against Germany was some attempt to institute a blockade. And Germany spent the next six months talking up what it called the "Phony War", right during the time they were planning an invasion of Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium, and France. And of course, later in the war they attempted to invade Britain, did invade Yugoslovia, Greece, and Russia, and sent troops to help their ally Italy in their invasion of Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt.

I would personally say that this constitutes about as good as evidence as you could get that Hitler did intend to conquer the world, and therefore there is no question that Buchanan can ask or imply that makes the Nazis less than evil.

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September 3, 2009 2:48 PM    in reply to JosephP

Your giving his "argument" way more intellectual attention than it deserves. He's an avowed Nazi apologist who has advocated for eugenics and white supremacy again and again and again on the air and in print.

I called the ADL, NAACP and NGLTF while emailing Rachel Maddow to say that I would no longer watch anything on MSNBC, NBC, or buy any product I knew to be advertised on either until Pat Buchanan is no longer in their employ.

PLEASE MAKE YOUR FEELINGS KNOWN

rachel@msnbc.com
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September 3, 2009 2:52 PM    in reply to Ion

Exactly right---way too much more attention than it deserves.

I went long because I worry that someone that doesn't know what actually happened may be fooled by Buchanan's fake scholarly tone and think there is something there.

Let's just agree that Pat Buchanan is a Nazi apologist and leave it there.

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September 3, 2009 3:37 PM    in reply to JosephP

Still, the question is "Was the event of September 1, 1939 sufficient cause for a war?" not the other questions you pose.

As I noted above, Hitler's long term intent was the invasion of the USSR, IMHO. His hatred of communism, his hatred of the "mongrel slavic people" of USSR, his desire for Lebensraum and gasoline in the Urals, would have made the invasion of the USSR inevitable. And that certainly would have led to war, and everything else that happened would have happened, including the Holocaust. Pat did not do the intellectually honest thing of making Move 2 in his little mental chess game.

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September 3, 2009 4:25 PM    in reply to Numbersguy

There is no "mental chess game." Allow me to point out to some of the other SUBTLETIES of his logic.

1) 50 mil Christians and Jews - yet we all know the 6 mil Jews figure, so its the Christians who really suffered a holocaust.

2) Fascism = nonexpansionist and relatively benign; Communism = expansionist and evil.

You're giving the opinions of a white supremacist bigot who advocates eugenics and apologizes - yet again - for Hitler far more consideration than they're worth.

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September 3, 2009 12:30 PM   

What we're seeing here is an interactive process of emboldening. As rightist discourse in this country becomes more and more overtly extreme at the edges, the public figures on the right become less and less euphemistic. Feeding back, this validates the ultras, who pull the big guys yet further in their direction.

Penalties? None so far.

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September 3, 2009 2:52 PM    in reply to hquain

Exactly - the racism, hatred of anyone not just like themselves, ignorance and out and out crazy has ALWAYS been what these folks said among friends (I've always wondered what McLaughlin and Buchanan say when the cameras are off.) Now their hatred of Obama (he's black, a democrat, younger and more people like him better than Dick Cheney) is going public - sooner or later someone crazier than Buchanan (hard to imagine, I know) is going to act out. Then they will all deny responsibility. Weasels.

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September 3, 2009 12:36 PM   

Pat is viewed as one of them, so they are blind to his bigotry. I mean that as an explanation, not an excuse...because there is none available.

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September 3, 2009 12:39 PM   

Of course Hitler did not want war...he simply wanted all the countries he invaded to peacefully give up. Just like al qaeda did not want war, they just wanted Americans to peacefully burn to death.
Buchanan wins DB of the week award

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September 3, 2009 12:51 PM    in reply to Crancix

That's exactly what I was thinking: of course Hitler wanted peace. He wanted all of Europe to peacefully surrender to him.

Then again, he would probably have been disappointed if he hadn't been able to use his tanks and airplanes and order the generals around.

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September 3, 2009 12:42 PM   

Until Buchanan opened his mouth, I never understood why people were reluctant to elect John Kennedy as the first Catholic president. Read John McLaughlin's wikipedia entry. It puts Buchanan into a perspective where his nuttiness makes a kind of twisted sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McLaughlin_(host)

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September 3, 2009 12:44 PM   

I'll bet the phones are ringing off the hook at C Street.

Koch Industries founder Fred Koch built 15 oil refineries for "....the greatest terrorist of them all, Joseph Stalin".

Sam Brownback must be suffering from the Hershey Squirts right about now.

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September 3, 2009 12:58 PM   

Well, look at it this way. When the wing nuts call Obama the second coming of Hilter, we can refer them to Pat Buchanan who apparently believes that Hilter was not such a bad guy.

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September 3, 2009 1:05 PM   

It’s inevitable some on the right will be attracted to Hitler. After all he was a xenophobic patriot who believed in his country’s (and his race’s) exceptionalism. He believed in simplistic moral system which included a strong component of "God (or Providence as A.H. would say) makes might makes right”. And he was anti-abortion pro-life, at least for heterosexual fully-abled Aryans. What’s not for a conservative to like? (Actually quite a bit, but you have to go beyond the naive simplistic level that wing nuts like to deal at)

As to whether Hitler justed wanted the land, and not a war, Ian Kershaw's exhastive biography suggests he did want to go to war, just not with France or England. He wasn't the first or last leader that wanted to be a "war president".

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September 3, 2009 3:39 PM    in reply to fafner1

The Kershaw biography is extremely good. Also note that the opening of the Soviet military archives has led to several excellent histories with a Soviet focus: Stalingrad and The Fall of Berlin.

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September 3, 2009 1:07 PM   

Poor Hitler... sucked into a war not of his choosing. Just like Bush...

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September 3, 2009 1:08 PM   

"I'm Jewish and I don't see much wrong with this article."

I'm a chicken, and I think Col. Sanders was just groovy.

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September 3, 2009 1:24 PM   

That is the worst, and most intellectually bankrupt idea I've ever heard. Hitler invades a territory and he "didn't want war"?

It would be like Mexico invading Arizona. Technically, they once owned it, but if they invaded it and that war started, it would be entirely Mexico's fault and doing. Why should Poland give up any territory to Germany? Why would Germany expect Poland to "negotiate" with them?

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September 3, 2009 1:26 PM   

Don't forget that Hitler was against Affirmative Action, too, unless you count how affirmative and action-oriented were Kristallnacht, the Night of the Long Knives, the bombing campaign in Spain, blitzkrieg tactics, and Operation Barbarossa, among others.

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September 3, 2009 2:36 PM   

Hitler wanted peace...'a little peace of Poland and a little peace of France...A litte peace of Russia...' to paraphrase the great Mel Brooks in 'To Be or Not to Be'.

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September 3, 2009 2:42 PM   

For those who think they know history...Hitler used a "staged attack" and "phony intelligence" as an excuse to invade Poland....sound familiar..? Pat Buchanan is now Hitler apologist..? while the right-wing bat-shit crazies are calling our President, Hitler?...gee, Pat..trying to draw a parallel with Hitlers invasion of Poland and "Afghanistan becoming Obama's Viet Nam" is that the reason for such a "reasonable seeming" statement...? I see you got some bites...

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September 3, 2009 2:50 PM   

MSNBC should no longer feature Pat Buchanan as a compensated commentator.

CONTACT THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND MAKE YOUR FEELINGS KNOWN

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September 3, 2009 3:39 PM    in reply to Ion

I always thought the reason Buchanan is MSNBC's house conservative is because he's such a reactionary, incendiary dunderhead. Much the way Fox News tends toward shrill, unbalanced-seeming liberals when they include us at all.

The justifications for working toward Buchanan's dismissal are unassailable, but there is also the view that the more he makes use of the MSNBC platform, the better it is for us.

Whether it's worth it is of course another question.

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September 3, 2009 3:21 PM   

JOIN THIS FACEBOOK GROUP TO GET RID OF PAT BUCHANAN

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124460129719&ref=nf

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September 3, 2009 4:12 PM   

By Pat's logic, does that make the US partly responsible for 9/11? Given that one of Osama's stated goals was the removal of US troops from Saudi Arabia (even back with the 1993 WTC bombing), that would follow...

Also, didn't he make a big deal about how anybody that wanted to withdraw from Iraq was just like the people who appeased Hitler?

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September 3, 2009 4:30 PM   

Buchanan's argument is that if Britain and France had not given Poland a war guarantee in 1939 there either would have been no war, as Poland would have ceded Danzig to Germany or any war would have been limited to Germany and Poland. There would thus have been no Holocaust, since the German decision to murder the Jews under their control was made in the entirely different context of general European war in 1941. This is explained in the book Fateful Choices, 1939-1941,by the eminent English historian Ian Kershaw, which discusses the steps along the terrible path.
In 1939, Germany sought to promote the emigration of the Jews under its control, coupled of course with vicious persecution but usually not outright murder. Buchanan has undoubtedly veered close to Nazi apologetics on occasion but not really here.

Buchanan's critics here assume that world conquest was always Hitler's aim but the story is complicated. Certainly in 1939 Germany did not want war with either Britain or France until they declared war on Germany. As Buchanan rightly says, Germany made no territorial claims on France. Admittedly, the Germans may have made additional territorial claims if war had not been declared in 1939 but there is no way to know for sure.

The implicit assumption here is that the outcome of the Second World War was uniformly positive. Certainly the destruction of the Nazi regime was a very good thing, as was the defeat of Japan, but the cost, e.g. 60 million dead,including 90 percent of the prewar Jewish population of Europe, whom the allies did little to save, was hideous. One might also note the use of atomic weapons against Japan. In his History of Zionism, Walter Laqueur says that VE Day in Jewish Palestine was a day of mourning. The story is more complex than the Good War narrative permits. Buchanan may be a flawed messenger but this is not a closed question. I would also note that the attempt to get him off the air is redolent of hostility to freedom of expression.

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September 3, 2009 5:05 PM    in reply to liberalcentrist

Maybe you think having people like Khalid Muhammad and Leonard Jeffries on TV would further enhance "freedom of expression."

Either you're a concern troll or some personal need to gratify a sense of intellectual self-worth has made you willfully naive.

Buchanan is not raising questions about World War II history here - he's arguing in favor of Nazi ideology, just like he always has.

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September 3, 2009 4:51 PM   

ADL recognized Buchanan for what he is back in 1991
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/pb_archive/pb_1991rpt.pdf

Obama's election seems to have liberated the hate speakers of all sorts.

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September 3, 2009 5:06 PM   

The page you are seeking has expired and is no longer available at msnbc.com.

The message behind the link.

Yet Buchanan from August 28 is still up there. Just who do they think they're kidding?

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September 4, 2009 7:00 AM    in reply to amike

Yep, I noticed that too. Of course there's no report in the "news media" about the entire episode. Quelle surprise.

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September 5, 2009 6:49 PM   

MSNBC has been 'supporting' this book for over a year. Its a joke.

Matthews will laugh...hahahahahahaha

THE NAZI SHOULD BE FIRED AND REMOVED FROM MSM forever.

I have seen him castigate the Supreme Court for Brown vs. Board of Education for forty years. I saw him do it last year on CSPAN.

Buchanan has attacked Martin Luther King and the 'commies' who came to his 'southern' town and cause insurrection while the negroes were very happy before they ever arrived.

THE MAN SHOULD BE PROSECUTED AS A GODDAMN RACIST.

He is the nazi, he is the fascist, he is the racist.

UNABASHEDLY

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