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Pat Buchanan, in his latest column, in reference to white Americans:

America was once their country. They sense they are losing it. And they are right.

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October 20, 2009 11:39 AM   

Psst! Pat!

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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October 20, 2009 11:43 AM    in reply to Hussein Stemper

That was meant for white Europeans silly.

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October 20, 2009 12:17 PM    in reply to tonigo

White NORTHERN Europeans.

Can't have any of those swarthy folks.

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October 20, 2009 12:52 PM    in reply to brianm0122

Oh Pat and his ilk doesn't see those swarthy types with too many vowels in their names as being white. Sure they make great food and all, but you wouldn't want one marrying your sister!

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October 20, 2009 1:13 PM    in reply to tonigo

Amazing! Especially since those lines were written by the daughter of Portuguese Sephardic Jews.

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October 20, 2009 12:20 PM    in reply to Hussein Stemper

No Irish need apply.

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October 20, 2009 3:50 PM    in reply to jeffgee

That reminded me of this - too stinking funny.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/06/say-no-immigrants

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October 20, 2009 11:43 AM   

For once, I'd like to see somebody call out white, rural conservatives for "elitism." People like Pat look down on anyone who lives in cities or suburbs, or on either coast. They clearly believe that everyone else's way of life is inferior.

I went to a town hall meeting a while ago, and pointed out to the Tea Party nutbars that most Americans are sick and tired of the divisive culture war where conservatives peek inside your shopping cart and tell you that you're un-American because of the color of your mustard or your brand of ketchup. Yet, conservatives keep trying to play it up.

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October 20, 2009 1:26 PM    in reply to mastershake1

For once, I'd like to see somebody call out white, rural conservatives for "elitism." People like Pat look down on anyone who lives in cities or suburbs, or on either coast. They clearly believe that everyone else's way of life is inferior.

My own opinion is that 'elitist' is not the right word. These people have an over-inflated sense of entitlement. They literally believe that this is their country, that they are somehow the righteous inheritors of the Nation, given to them by the Founders. Everyone else, while they do have the right to be Americans, do not share their entitlement.

Yes, if you are an Hispanic immigrant, you may live here, but you must speak English. If you are gay, you may live here, but you may not flaunt your sexual preference, nor may you marry. If you are black, you may live here, but don't expect any special treatment just because your ancestors had the misfortune of being enslaved.

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October 20, 2009 3:04 PM    in reply to GOPhuckYourself

These people have an over-inflated sense of entitlement.

Exactly.

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October 20, 2009 8:47 PM    in reply to GOPhuckYourself

Yess!

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October 21, 2009 6:57 AM    in reply to GOPhuckYourself

In full agreement. Could add to this, but it would require saying things that are best left unsaid, especially after so many white, hispanics, chinese, etc., voted into office America's first non-white president. They are a dying breed, and should be allowed to die a quiet death. With any luck, the world will learn to celebrate differences. Its these religious zealots, ie., the taliban, the Iranians, the Israelis, the republican christians, to name a few, who are the main cause of this widespread of hatred. The hypocrisy of saying 'god is love', which they all say, and then behaving in the exactly opposite way is truly remarkable.

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October 20, 2009 2:19 PM    in reply to mastershake1

Why are singling out rural? It is true some of those you speak of come from rural areas; however I would guess many come from white suburbia as well. Remember "rural" Iowa gave President Obama a victory in the primaries and the momentum to move on to victory.

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October 20, 2009 6:51 PM    in reply to nancydenis

Pat Buchanan himself was born and raised in the District of Columbia.

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October 20, 2009 11:46 AM   

Oh Pat, that is so 1860!

BP

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October 20, 2009 11:46 AM   

Reminds me of Doug Stanhope's modified Pledge of Allegiance:

"... with liberty and justice for all,
must be 18 or older,
void where prohibited,
not available in all states,
some restrictions may apply."

Pat, your "race" is as much of a fiction as you "god". There is no such thing as "the white race". I am proud to be descended from Ukranians and Poles whose ancestors were regularly ravaged by rampaging Mongols and Moors and heaven only knows what else. I crave mutthood.

Being a mutt means having genetic perspective. Inbreeding is for chumps.

(But, of course, you'd have to have some respect for and understanding of science to be on *that* page...)

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October 20, 2009 12:38 PM    in reply to Clavis

Ouch! As mordantly witty a critique of "white stupidity" (my term) as I've read recently. The poor white man is losing the country he fought so hard to take from another race. Oh the irony!!

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October 20, 2009 12:39 PM    in reply to Clavis

Hooooraaay!

Finally, someone else speaks out against man's most dangerous myth: the concept of race.

Good on you!

Probably not in my lifetime, but hopefully before the turn of the century, "race", "racist", "racially", etc., will be tossed from our lexicon and find their rightful place in the dustbin of history.

Pat is a bigot, he promotes bigotry and his views are bigoted.

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October 20, 2009 4:12 PM    in reply to draftedin68

I hope you are right but don't count on it. I said the same thing 46 years ago when civil rights passed. I sincerely believed that 20 years from 1963 all the old racists would have died off and racism would end. Fast forward another 26 years from 1983 and they are stilll here.

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October 20, 2009 2:10 PM    in reply to Clavis

Moors?

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October 20, 2009 8:33 PM    in reply to Clavis

"I am proud to be descended from Ukranians and Poles whose ancestors were regularly ravaged by rampaging Mongols and Moors and heaven only knows what else. I crave mutthood.

Being a mutt means having genetic perspective. Inbreeding is for chumps."

Word up, my brother! I too have the Ukrainian-Polish connection (plus doses of Russian & Hungarian). So I married me one a' them fine Hispanic ladies. And she's part Irish, too.

Dogs of the world unite! ;)

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October 20, 2009 11:52 AM   

Pat: white privilege exists and I want to keep it that way!

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October 20, 2009 11:58 AM   

I still believe that the current Republican rush to be as unabashedly and unapologetically racist and extreme as possible could conceivably work out well for them.

Consider how they're fluffing that proverbial 20% base. That's 20%, consisting mainly of the angriest, most paranoid, mentally and emotionally unstable, put-upon-feeling Nouveau Archie Bunkers we've got. Thanks to hate radio and Fox News, they now believe that they know how to think politically (or, just "think"); according to that recent study by Carville's group, along with the paranoia comes a certainty that they know where the real facts lie. With O'Reilly, Hannity and "Fox And Friends", of course.


So they're hyper-motivated to vote; the Republican strategists took their cues from watching the Left rise up in 2006 and (especially) 2008. People who never participated before... did. And that was key.

The Republicans are betting the farm that such a groundswell of Leftist populism isn't gonna happen again, and so they're going to try to replace those numbers with a highly-motivated 20%, consisting of a fragile coalition of teabaggers and enough clueless "moderate" Republican and independent voters, who aren't too turned off by the former. It could work.

And although their voting numbers ultimately may dwindle demographically, or just freeze more or less where they are, returning a Republican majority by any means possible will give them the berth to create as much permanent societal damage as they can, regardless of their true level of support. We saw that in Bush II... at this point, you'd need one entire administration or more, devoted solely to undoing the historical damage to how we do business.

Remember all this, next time you find yourself thinking, "My GOD, how can they SAY such things?" It's a numbers game. You'll see the first results of this plan in the 2010 midterms.

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October 20, 2009 12:07 PM    in reply to Barry Champlain

this strategy will never work at the national level. they may be able to win local elections in heavily conservative districts, but there's no way they could gain enough seats to retake the Congress. you seem to discount the fact that the GOP demographic is old. not to be morbid, but death is claiming alot of their voters each day, while the Dems enjoy support from young people who are increasing their voting rates each year since 2004. for every teabagger that passes away, there's a young hispanic or black kid that's turning 18 and becoming eligible to vote. the GOP cannot engineer a comeback of the sort you're describing without youth, minorities, and women, all groups that vote heavily democrat.

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October 20, 2009 12:41 PM    in reply to docrocktex

Which is precisely why the GOP's numbers are dwindling dramatically, and the only strategy they can think of to reverse this trend is to double down on teh stupid and teh racist, the tried-and-true way to get old white folks to vote for them.

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October 20, 2009 4:17 PM    in reply to docrocktex

"turning 18 and becoming eligible to vote"

eligible to register to vote. Big difference, and a number the right does everything they can to diminish.

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October 20, 2009 9:06 PM    in reply to docrocktex

The repus can and will come back and they'll do it by any means possible. That's the main reason they demonized Acorn. I foresee challenges at the polls and dirty tricks like they've pulled in the past. Add that to low turnout by dems and you have a recipe for disaster.

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October 20, 2009 2:32 PM    in reply to Barry Champlain

Also, remember to watch the ballot boxes to the extent that that remains possible .....www.howohiopulleditoff.com

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October 20, 2009 12:00 PM   

MSNBC needs to get a grip and stop allowing this bigot to appear on its programs. This country NEVER belonged to white people. For starters, it was stolen from the Native Americans. Second, Black people and their slave labor were responsible for building the glorious structures in the capitol, and growing the cotton, tobacco, and other crops that enabled so many white slaveholders to get rich while sitting on their butts and doing nothing.

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October 20, 2009 12:11 PM    in reply to docrocktex

docrock, they know this! They've always known that the country was "built" by the Help. Being a "white man's country" is more a function of who they believe should own it, rather than a Horatio Alger-like extrapolation of who is most deserving of its ownership, as a result of who has the most calloused fingers.

It's a mark of their hubris and sense of entitlement that they feel that having the will and the ability to kill whoever is in their way, and enslave weaker peoples to do their labor, makes them the appropriate, natural born leadership race. They don't so much think this, as they just know it, from birth.

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October 20, 2009 12:27 PM    in reply to docrocktex

Let's at least recognize that most white people in early America were not slaveholders, and built this country up on the sweat of their own brow.

Don't let revisionism get out of hand, people. It makes you sound crazy.

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October 20, 2009 12:32 PM    in reply to Kyle H

Perhaps you've forgotten what happened to the entire Confederate economy, once the labor source (free) had been eliminated?

It all depends on how you define "most white people in early America". And "revisionism".

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October 20, 2009 2:45 PM    in reply to Barry Champlain

Now, to be fair, while much of Confederate economic power at the outset of the war depended on the plantation system, it's fair to say that most people in the south were never wealthy enough to own slaves. Also keep in mind, though, that a significant amount of the economic collapse after the Civil War was due to oppressive and punitive policies put in place by Lincoln's successors. Lincoln himself may have wanted to bring the southern states back into the Union with open arms, forgiveness, and respect, but it seems the Republican Party then in power was more interesed in spiteful retribution upon their enemies than they were in the long-term national welfare.

plus ca change, eh?

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October 20, 2009 4:14 PM    in reply to Barry Champlain

Great point!!

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October 20, 2009 12:35 PM    in reply to Kyle H

Sweat and free land.
Where can I sign up for my homestead acreage?

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October 20, 2009 1:00 PM    in reply to Kyle H

A lot of those white folk survived due to help they got from the indigenous population. Isn't that what your Thanksgiving celebration is all about?

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October 20, 2009 1:15 PM    in reply to Observerinvancouver

That's the white man's version. Here's the real lowdown:

4. The Wampanoag Indians were not the "friendly savages" some of us were told about when we were in the primary grades. Nor were they invited out of the goodness of the Pilgrims' hearts to share the fruits of the Pilgrims' harvest in a demonstration of Christian charity and interracial brotherhood. The Wampanoag were members of a known as the League of the Delaware. For six hundred years they had been defending themselves from my other ancestors, the Iroquois, and for the last hundred years they had also had encounters with European fishermen and explorers but especially with European slavers, who had been raiding their coastal villages. They knew something of the power of the white people, and they did not fully trust them. But their religion taught that they were to give charity to the helpless and hospitality to anyone who came to them with empty hands. Also, Squanto, the Indian hero of the Thanksgiving story, had a very real love for a British explorer named John Weymouth, who had become a second father to him several years before the Pilgrims arrived at Plymouth. Clearly, Squanto saw these Pilgrims as Weymouth's people.(8) To the Pilgrims the Indians were heathens and, therefore, the natural instruments of the Devil. Squanto, as the only educated and baptized Christian among the Wampanoag, was seen as merely an instrument of God, set in the wilderness to provide for the survival of His chosen people, the Pilgrims. The Indians were comparatively powerful and, therefore, dangerous; and they were to be courted until the next ships arrived with more Pilgrim colonists and the balance of power shifted. The Wampanoag were actually invited to that Thanksgiving feast for the purpose of negotiating a treaty that would secure the lands of the Plymouth Plantation for the Pilgrims. It should also be noted that the INDIANS, possibly out of a sense of charity toward their hosts, ended up bringing the majority of the food for the feast.

A generation later, after the balance of power had indeed shifted, the Indian and White children of that Thanksgiving were striving to kill each other in the genocidal conflict known as King Philip's War. At the end of that conflict most of the New England Indians were either exterminated or refugees among the French in Canada, or they were sold into slavery in the Carolinas by the Puritans. So successful was this early trade in Indian slaves that several Puritan ship owners in Boston began the practice of raiding the Ivory Coast of Africa for black slaves to sell to the proprietary colonies of the South, thus founding the American-based slave trade.

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October 21, 2009 7:32 AM    in reply to Observerinvancouver

"A lot of those white folk survived due to help they got from the indigenous population. Isn't that what your Thanksgiving celebration is all about?". All I wish to add to this pointed statement is 'indigenous and the forced immigrant population. TS

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October 20, 2009 1:07 PM    in reply to Kyle H

I didn't say that most white people were slaveholders, I was only speaking about white slaveholders not the entire white population.

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October 20, 2009 1:23 PM    in reply to Kyle H

BTW, what you call "building this country up" can otherwise be viewed as destroying a civilization that had existed here for several thousands of years. Check out 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus

To many of those who were there, the earliest encounters felt more like a meeting of equals than one of natural domination. And those who came later and found an emptied landscape that seemed ripe for the taking, Mann argues convincingly, encountered not the natural and unchanging state of the native American, but the evidence of a sudden calamity: the ravages of what was likely the greatest epidemic in human history, the smallpox and other diseases introduced inadvertently by Europeans to a population without immunity, which swept through the Americas faster than the explorers who brought it, and left behind for their discovery a land that held only a shadow of the thriving cultures that it had sustained for centuries before.

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October 20, 2009 3:29 PM    in reply to Schmed

I know, something like 98-99% died, by many accounts. Can you imagine how losing so many would affect civilizations? Ours certainly would be destroyed. Theirs as well. I'm pretty sure that when Cortez encountered the Aztec and Mayas, that Central America had the highest population density of the entire world. Then came the deaths...

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October 20, 2009 4:27 PM    in reply to Kyle H

And some of the circumstances under which the less fortunate of those people worked, like indentures, would be considered abhorrent today, in fact, we would call them, (and do) slavery.
Don't worry, there's a whole lot of injustice available before we get to revisions.
The right's version of history, on the other hand, is so revised it's a reversion.

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October 20, 2009 1:00 PM    in reply to docrocktex

Don't forget the northern financial and mercantile institutions that prospered during the heyday of the slave trade. The foundations of lots of banks, insurance, and shipping companies have blood in their mortar.

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October 20, 2009 1:02 PM    in reply to Schmed

Don't forget some of your finest universities, too.

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October 20, 2009 12:07 PM   

These are the folks who, like everyone else, expected to live a little better than their parents, to own a house, a couple of cars, maybe a boat, or a cabin in the woods, or take summer vacations with the kids, national parks, Disney World, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Instead the unions that provided the jobs that made this possible were weakened and excoriated, beginning with the air traffic controllers. Next, pensions were replaced with 401 K Plans. NAFTA sent their jobs to Mexico and then overseas, but they found another job. It had will lower pay and fewer benefits, but still they got by; between credit cards and borrowing against the equity in the house, they were doing okay. Then the housing bubble burst , and the credit card companies raised their rates and the monthly payment that they could just meet doubled and the bank won’t renegotiate the mortgage because they were they are ‘under water’ and drowning. Last, but not least, Wall Street imploded (for reasons too complex for Princeton economists and bankers to understand) and whatever little money they had left vanished in a puff of smoke.

They are confused, because they see themselves as (and a lot of them are) good people who obey the rules and go to church and take care of themselves and their family and suddenly they are life’s losers.

Obama and the dems will never will all, or maybe even most of them back to rational thinking, but a robust jobs program will ease a lot of the anger.

Along comes Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and they say, “It’s not your fault; it’s those nasty socialist Democrats and those evil immigrants who are taking your jobs and your money.” It’s a simple, straight forward reason for their misery. It makes sense to them. And since the mass media does nothing to counteract such statements and often gives those who promote them a forum, they believe. Without a decent education, totally ignorant of history and civics, unable to understand the past 30 years and how the policies of Reagan and Bush I & II and Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey and Phil Gramm screwed them six ways from Sunday they take to the streets with a howl of frustration, never realizing that they are still following the pied piper who brought them to where they are now.

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October 20, 2009 12:09 PM    in reply to Powkat

Or as President Obama once said, "they cling to guns and religion."

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October 20, 2009 1:06 PM    in reply to docrocktex

These comments of the President seem to be referred to frequently right now and, interestly, with little or no excoriation.

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October 20, 2009 12:29 PM    in reply to Powkat

Agree. They are the "Reagan Democrats", who listen to whomver will tell them what they want to hear. It's not your fault, you're a victim of those nasty (enter whatever here). It is easy to manipulate them with the fear of taking whatever little they have left (guns, religion, whatever overpriced healthcare insurance they have left), and distract them by placing the blame on whatever group they feel threatened by.

And if they are not threatened, then create a threat out of thin air (Saddam, Iran).

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October 20, 2009 1:26 PM    in reply to Powkat

Well said, Powkat.

When people lack confidence in the economic future of their own families, all manner of fears are unleashed upon the world - some rational, others obviously not.

Buchanan is a pied piper of both rational and irrational fears. But he's nailed here what too many white people think, that they are losing their country.

When times are better such fears are kept under control. When times are worse, as now, such fears can rip the fabric of society apart.

For gleefully profiting off of people's fears and shattered expectations, Buchanan should be exiled to Fox News. There he will at least be comfortable among his own kind.

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October 20, 2009 3:11 PM    in reply to Powkat

Very well done, and very true. I know many in that group. They feel that their life has been taken from them and they're scared.

Unfortunately, they think it's been taken from them by the "affirmative action" hires and supposed preferential treatment that minorities (allegedly) get. Not by the rich elites, the Goldman Sachs and BofA's of the world.

Buchanon, Beck, Limbaugh all feed this.

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October 20, 2009 12:11 PM   

Pat B. is scared and lost in a sea of facts that do not support his idealogic beliefs, so he will lash out and try to deny reality. Sorry Pat, the train has left the station without you.

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October 20, 2009 12:18 PM   

He is terrified that The coming new Majority (read:non-white) are going to treat white people the way White people treated them. It has already started with all the cries of Reverse-Racism since January.

For a supposed Christian, Pat seems to really fear Karma..... And he should.

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October 20, 2009 12:23 PM   

I refuse to click the link, because its not worth rewarding them with the 2 pennies of ad revenue that would result. Buchanan is a racist d-bag? Dog bites man.

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October 20, 2009 12:26 PM   

I sense Pat is losing his mind. And I am right.

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October 20, 2009 12:32 PM   

Of course America is a white man's country. We either enslaved or slaughtered any competition.

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October 20, 2009 1:26 PM    in reply to drubs

Actually, they were mostly decimated by diseases. The survivors were slaughtered, enslaved, and interned on reservations.

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October 20, 2009 12:39 PM   

MSNBC is just plain tone-deaf in continuing to put this bigot on TV. Seriously, what the heck? If he was on Fox's air there'd be a scandal if he said something like that....

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October 20, 2009 12:39 PM   

The doubling down on the fear of blacks rising in social and economic standing (which Reagan and others implied would mean white loss) is a very peculiar strategy in this day and age. I don't think it will work a second time: it has all the earmarks of a history repeating itself--as dangerous farce.

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October 20, 2009 12:49 PM   

I just tried to read the Buchanan column to figure out his actual point. It is totally incoherent. I suspect he's gone.

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October 20, 2009 3:52 PM    in reply to hotspur

Funny, I thought America belonged to the Indians. Silly me, wonder why I thought that?

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October 20, 2009 12:55 PM   

Wait, he's right. It was by and for white people. (They even fought a war to keep it that way. Some nasty business involving Lee, Lincoln, and some other folks). Then again it may still be going on depending on your perspective.

For anyone who thought that the people with power would happily surrender it to those without I have some disheartening news about the Easter bunny, the tooth fairy, and Santa Claus.

Lester Maddox isn't dead, he's just reincarnated as a Fox News celeb.

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October 20, 2009 1:03 PM   

MSNBC needs to dump him. I've written about this before on my blog, most recently back when he wrote a column defending Hitler that they had posted on the MSNBC website.

http://beachpeanuts.wordpress.com/2009/09/04/msnbcs-pat-buchanan-problem/

But really, now World Net Daily??
Might have to start making it a regular feature

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October 20, 2009 1:05 PM   

I am not a Pat Buchanan fan - far from it. But when I read the article as a whole, it wasn't as blatantly racist as the excerpt makes it seem. Yes, he's speaking about white Americans who feel like they're losing "their" country, but he's not saying they feel like they're losing it only to minorities (blacks, hispanics, etc.) He's talking about how the bankers and Fortune 500 companies are destroying the country - and those crooks are mostly white.

He speaks for a lot of people I know. People who don't hate blacks or hispanics or any other ethnic group, but they feel like they're being left out. Affirmative action programs help minorities, cronyism helps the rich guys - who's helping the working class whites?

Certainly not the health care reformers who are bowing to the will of insurance companies. Certainly now Obama who refuses to push for the public option.

Buchanan and his buddies certainly won't do anything to help those working class white guys either, but they talk a good game.

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October 20, 2009 1:11 PM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

Pat Buchanan is one of a long list of people who are suspiciously selective with their anti-corporate rhetoric...

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October 20, 2009 1:14 PM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

Debbie, don't believe the hype about affirmative action. It's not doing much of anything to help the overall status of Black people in this country. Blacks still have the worst health outcomes, highest unemployment rates, lowest net worth, highest incarceration rates and are less likely to obtain a good education. Working class whites still have it way better than Blacks and that's a fact. Affirmative action can't do anything to resolve the institutionalized racial disparities that exist, no matter how much the conservatives scream about it.

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October 20, 2009 1:43 PM    in reply to docrocktex

Docrock, it's not about what I believe. It's about what many working class whites as a group believe. Buchanan isn't speaking about reality - he's speaking about one group's perception of reality.

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October 20, 2009 1:56 PM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

I wasn't blasting you, just pointing out that the next time you hear people you know lament the huge strides Blacks are making from affirmative action you should tell them it's simply not born out by facts. I welcome your alternate point of view, it makes for a better discussion!

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October 20, 2009 4:17 PM    in reply to docrocktex

Excellent post and spot on.

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October 20, 2009 1:18 PM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

Careful, Debbie, you're interrupting this fervid, jibbery anti-racist hootenanny with truth. That's damn close to unforgivable.

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October 20, 2009 1:47 PM    in reply to San Fernando Curt

Curt, I'm as liberal as they've come but I've pretty much stopped posting here because every time I present another point of view, not necessarily my own POV but a differing POV, I get blasted. Last time I posted a comment on TPM, somebody called me DebbieKnowsNothing. I haven't had much use for this place since then.

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October 20, 2009 1:59 PM    in reply to San Fernando Curt

Right, because denouncing racism and the flawed ideology of white privilege is just awful.

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October 20, 2009 3:03 PM    in reply to docrocktex

When someone points out a white-privilege citadel, perhaps you can storm it.

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October 20, 2009 1:28 PM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

The special interest group that was most helped by Affirmative Action is....

....white women.

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October 20, 2009 1:52 PM    in reply to Schmed

But most people - the people Buchanan's talking about - don't know that. It's all about the perception. The perception of this group is that the teabaggers, the birthers, the Joe Wilsons, the Joe Plumbers and the Pat Buchanans are the only people speaking for white working class.

The perception is wrong, but we ignore it at our own peril. Nixon. Reagan.

Don't be so sure that a significant number of voters can't be conned. George W. Bush got elected twice.

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October 20, 2009 2:08 PM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

I see your point, but I would also venture to say that it wouldn't be such an easy argument to make with this crowd if they didn't in some way harbor resentment or animosity towards non-white working class people. There is indeed a sense of entitlement and a sense of fear of the other that allows these people to place the blame on affirmative action or immigration rather than exploring the more obvious and logical reasons for their hardships (Reaganomics, free trade, wall street greed, corporate exploitation, etc.). It's like the people who truly believe that President Obama is a muslim/socialist/terrorist despite reason and all evidence to the contrary. They are able to believe such nonsense because they don't trust or understand brown skin and names other than John Smith. Likewise, they were unable to believe that W was such a horrible president that ruined this country because he was a good 'ol Christian boy from Texas that they felt they could trust. Hence the reason the recession is Obama's fault, not 8 years of disastrous GOP leadership.

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October 20, 2009 2:39 PM    in reply to docrocktex

Do you think such people are educable? One's approach to politics might be affected by the answer.

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October 20, 2009 3:29 PM    in reply to docrocktex

You make a good point but the fear of the other is a genetic trait that is common to all humans, not just angry white men. One of the problems is that the so-called elites - highly educated upper middle class liberals - also fear the other - uneducated working class folks.

The Republicans are much more cynical, which makes them better at talking the talk to lead (exploit) the working class. Buchanan and his ilk are scum but we could learn something from them.

The best way for Obama to overcome the latent racism and fear of white working class men is to pass a health care program that will benefit them and their families. That means universal coverage and a public option open to all.

So far, Obama has not been willing to put his ass on the line to fight for that. That's why we're going to lose in 2010 and probably 2012. Not racism, not hate. It's because he hasn't shown the leadership we need in health care.

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October 20, 2009 4:38 PM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

We are NOT going to lose in 2012. If the independents and moderate republicans don't vote for Obama, who are they going to vote for. The thug party in its present form? I doubt it.

We may lose a few seats in 2010 but I doubt there will be many.

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October 20, 2009 3:48 PM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

The perception of this group is that the teabaggers, the birthers, the Joe Wilsons, the Joe Plumbers and the Pat Buchanans are the only people speaking for white working class.

I don't think this is true, Debbie. Joes Wilson and Plumber are media fancies, as are the tea-baggers. They are launched not by working-class grassroots - white or otherwise - but by special political interests served by their antics; they gain traction only because our media is so friendly and cooperative to these interests. Where are the multitudes they'd draw if they were, in fact, folk heroes and populist spokesmen?

To the extent they listen to Pat Buchanan, perhaps it's because he actually spells out their interests and concerns, and does so without spitting in their faces with contempt. America's blue-collar, "paycheck world" is vitally concerned by issues like immigration and globalization, not because they're latent Klansmen, but because their lives are so profoundly affected by jobs and the lack of them.

You point out that Buchanan's post made some valid points, and you should count yourself lucky you got off easy from this site's Keepers of the Anti-Racism Flame. The loose definition of "white privilege" apparently is any signal from white workers that they are in the least motivated by that ol' devil, self-interest.

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October 20, 2009 10:45 PM    in reply to Schmed

Link?

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October 20, 2009 4:32 PM    in reply to debbiedoesnothing

I'm sure Buchanan deconstructs to this: If we take things away from the insanely generous bounty we give to the minorities, there would be plenty of money to help working white folks out.
And the generous and public-spirited corporations would be willing to help, then.
So see, it's those minorities which is keeping you from getting health care.

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October 20, 2009 1:09 PM   

I've been aware of Buchanan for years but I never knew how frightening and dangerous he was until he started to appear regularly on TV.

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October 20, 2009 1:17 PM   

Pat Buchanan is and has always been a bigot! Hates not only those who aren't "white" but he hates the Jewish people as well...so I guess that makes him anti-Semitic as well. He needs to remember that native Americans were here first...then he needs to shut-up!!

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October 20, 2009 4:37 PM    in reply to Lucieann

Whatever Pat has to say about the Israel-Palestine situation is completely negated by his known predilection for bigotry.
That's for sure.

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October 20, 2009 1:31 PM   

It's interesting watching Pat get progressively more "out" about his KKK-style racial views in the Obama era. Is he following his core audience? Or are theyf ollowing him?

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October 20, 2009 1:35 PM   

"In their lifetimes, they have seen their Christian faith purged from schools their taxes paid for, and mocked in movies and on TV."

I am troubled that Pat would suggest bringing faith into our educational system. I am relatively young to politics but as i was growing up we were always taught that taking faith out of education was an exapmle of our enhanced freedoms and makes our democracy stronger, especially compared to faith based societies.

How long was it that faith was taken out of our school system because Pat is talking like it happened yesterday or is in the process of happening today???

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October 20, 2009 1:36 PM   

Having read his column, it's even more interesting to see Buchanan tie economic grievances directly to racial resentment -- the classic fascist pitch.

How long before he's ranting about "Jewish" capitalism?

It would definitely fit right in at World Nut Daily.

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October 20, 2009 1:38 PM   

I just can't believe he is still being a guest on any program. He is a creepy bigot and the fact that he gets his columns printed anywhere I have to hear about it is disgusting to me.

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October 20, 2009 2:39 PM   

Buchanan is one of my least liked commentators on MSNBC, and I I frequently wonder why the network continues to suffer him.

Nevertheless, a close examination of his statement, "They sense they are losing it and they're right", is a demographic fact. In a few more years, this country will be a pluralism of minorities, white, hispanic, asians, native americans and african americans.

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October 20, 2009 2:53 PM    in reply to hinterlandharry

Which is what makes life in the US more vibrant and less insular than a lot of European societies. I'm a great admirer of European social legislation. But their approach to immigration and immigrants is really frosty. Buchanan thinks the US should be like France, where there's this deliberate attempt to make everyone fit the mold. I don't think people recognize that as one of our great strengths as a society (compared with most other societies).

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October 20, 2009 4:03 PM    in reply to mikedrevguy

Peoples,
I don't know about all of my fellow Caucasians but I'm sort of pinkish tan. I'm surely not white. The only white people I know are albinos and I haven't seen a white person in years. Ask Pat B. and all of his crazy wingnuts to get it straight.
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October 20, 2009 6:33 PM    in reply to OB

then there are those of us for whom the term "fishbellywhite" truly does apply

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October 20, 2009 4:06 PM    in reply to mikedrevguy

Peoples,
I don't know about all of my fellow Caucasians but I'm sort of pinkish tan. I'm surely not white. The only white people I know are albinos and I haven't seen a white person in years. Ask Pat B. and all of his crazy wingnuts to get it straight.
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October 20, 2009 4:23 PM    in reply to OB

If I remember a book I read aright, the furthest any two human beings can be from each other is fifth cousins, or something like that. It wasn't really that far.
Pat, of course, whether he admits it or not, still believes in seperate indigenous creation for the "races". Piltdown Pat.

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October 20, 2009 2:53 PM   

Tell it to Tonto, Pat.

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October 20, 2009 3:53 PM   

Further demonstration of the irrelevance of Conservatism, specifically American Conservatism, in the modern sense.

Whites will be the minority in the United States within the next 100 years. This is normal, and this is evolution. Whites were the minority in North America as recently as 200~ years ago.

Nothing to see here, move long. Evolution as normal.

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October 20, 2009 4:43 PM   

You know who is really "losing" their nation? Old racist bigot. That demographic is destined to become a small, beleaguered 'minority group'. LOL

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October 20, 2009 4:46 PM   

"Whites will be the minority in the United States within the next 100 years"

I hate to mention this, but isn't it true that in most societies dominated by an elite group the elite group is actually a minority? Sometimes a very small one. I don't think the racial divisions in people's conditions in America is due to whites outvoting everyone else. It's because of the means, some brutal and violent, some administrative or legal, means permitted by the racial construct around dark skin.
So the day the Pat B's are 49% of the population won't be any kind of victory. They would be claiming the country is theirs, and they should run it when they are 10%, too. And they will do it if they can. The racial animus towards dark skins is a very deep, pernicious canard.

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October 20, 2009 5:13 PM    in reply to Mooser

And assuming that "white people" isn't some kind of social construct to begin with.

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October 20, 2009 6:39 PM   

well Pat, maybe the singular white (sorry, causasian) dominance that these particular shores have enjoyed for the past 200 plus years is fading into something more akin to what the Creator might have had in mind.
Or these past two hundred years have, in the grand scheme of things, been an anomaly - after all, I believe those who were residing here, prior to columbus' famed emergence on the shores, were here for a whole lot longer than 200 years w/o messing it all up. there's something ironic I find in the way God sometimes works.

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October 20, 2009 8:19 PM   

Race is but one key characteristic of these folks. As important is their low level of education (formal and informal) which only feeds their paranoia and fear. Fortunately for the country, their demographic is strinking year by year.

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October 20, 2009 9:59 PM   

Pat doesn't deserve all the attention. His views are well known & he really barely bothers disguising them. The real problem is that he gets a regular chair on MSNBC. I can understand Scarborough letting him mouth-off as he actually leans on Pat hard. Chris Matthews is a different story. He seems to remain objective for the most part, but he has some wierd love for Pat. Personally, the second I see pat on a show I delete it. I also wrote off Scarborough forever for this & many other reasons & Matthews is treading on thin ice.

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October 21, 2009 1:04 AM   

Easy come, easy go, Pat.

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October 21, 2009 1:38 AM   

If Buchanan were an Israeli Jew he'd be a called a moderate.
Buchanan is making Josh Marshall's defense of Israel and the two state solution: equal but separate.

It amazes me that citizens of a modern multiethnic democracy are so willing to defend a state designed on a 19th century racial fantasy. But on top of that, to criticize those who have the same fantasies about their own homeland, calling them reactionary and racist...
I'm at a loss.

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October 21, 2009 10:17 AM   

But of course he is correct. The country of 2009 is not the country of 1959. How could it be?
As has been pointed out previously, the idea that the current ummm.... 'difficulties' facing the country are due to the shifting percentages of skin tone and ethnicities in the USA is absurd. The current financial, legislative, military, foreign policy, and cultural problems in the States right now are due to the fact that wealthy (mostly white) men have ruled unchecked for too long - most extremely in the decades since Reagan was elected.
It's always easier to blame the perceived "outsider" though, and our popular culture still presents people of color as outsiders.

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