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Cheney: Sending Wilson To Niger Was "Amateur Hour" At The CIA
Zachary Roth | October 30, 2009, 5:28PM
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Dick Cheney told FBI investigators that his response to hearing that Joe Wilson had been sent to Niger to assess whether Saddam had tried to buy yellow-cake was that it was "amateur hour" at the CIA.
That's according to a summary of the FBI's interview with Cheney, which was conducted as part of Pat Fitzgerald's investigation of the leak of Valerie Plame's name. The document was just released by the Justice Department, thanks to a lawsuit by CREW.
In his interview with the FBI, conducted in May 2004, Cheney frequently claimed to be unable to remember key details from the Plame episode.
You can look through the documents here, and tell us what else you find.
Update: For instance, the FBI agent writes, in reference to Wilson's famed New York Times op-ed:
The vice president is relatively certain that he spoke to someone about the article but he cannot remember exactly who it was.
Also: Cheney "advised that he has no idea" who leaked Plame's name to Bob Novak.
And: When Cheney then spoke to then-CIA director George Tenet about Wilson's CIA-approved trip to Niger, "he had a sense that the DCI [Tenet] was defensive and embarrassed about the issue and had not known what was going on with regards to this mission."
And: Cheney said he probably discussed Wilson -- but not Plame --with Condi Rice, Karl Rove, and Andy Card.
And: "He does not recall any discussion with Libby of perceived nepotism associated with Wilson's selection for the CIA assignment."
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pterophylla
October 30, 2009 5:53 PM
How ironic are those comments? The real "amateur hour" was Dick Cheney and John Bolton and Douglas Feith and Donald Rumsfeld trying to start up their own little CIA in the Pentagon, called the "Office of Special Plans". It was their amateurish and utterly un-intellectual attempt to make the "facts" fit their preconceived notion of reality that has, to date, helped to kill tens to hundreds of thousands of people needlessly and ruined our national military credibility.
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CN
October 30, 2009 6:16 PM in reply to pterophylla
Exactly: Wilson was a rank amateur at fabricating evidence and helping the administration trump up baseless rationales for war.
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Matt Jones
October 30, 2009 6:56 PM in reply to pterophylla
The OSP wasn't the first time a number of those characters were engaged in a ideologically-motivated nonsensical "intelligence" analysis system - ever heard of Team B?
Team B was essentially the Cold War's version of the OSP, and would have pretty much ended the world if anybody had taken them seriously. A favorite comment about their report:
Of course, they were wrong. Reading commentary on the issue, one can sometimes forget *which* war is being referred to, as many of the players are the same (Rumsfeld, Bush I, Wolfowitz, etc) and the conclusions are just as far-out.
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rynato
October 30, 2009 8:05 PM in reply to Matt Jones
I think a lot of us re-learned about the whole "Plan B" shenanigans a few years ago as the full extent of the neo-con bamboozlement was revealed, but thanks for reminding us yet again.
I think the key thing to think about with regards to Plan B, is that they were taking already over-hyped CIA estimates of Soviet strength (it's always in the Pentagon's interest to exaggerate threats in order to justify funding) and regarding them as insufficiently hysterical about the Soviet threat.
Plan B would have had the US foolishly waste resources to counter very, very highly exaggerated or completely fabricated Soviet threats. It would also have intentionally provoked a WW3 showdown with the USSR, on the assumption that the Soviets were gaining a strategic advantage on the US which would soon be insurmountable; therefore, better to have a war we might win now, than one we would surely lose later on.
This sort of nihilistic thinking is what led to Germany's enthusiasm to get its Great War (WWI) on.
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rynato
October 30, 2009 8:09 PM in reply to rynato
...and the neocons will never get over having been exactly wrong about the USSR.
Plan B said the US had 10 years' time before the USSR gained an insurmountable strategic advantage. Instead, the Berlin Wall came down in fall 1989 and the USSR quietly folded up shop on Christmas 1991.
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Neil
October 31, 2009 9:10 PM in reply to rynato
Speaking of Germany and the USSR, after WWII the Nazi's extensive spy network in Russia was largely absorbed by the CIA. Many were war criminals and ideologically Nazis through and through. Knowing that a failure to produce intel could lead to a loss of status, potentially prosecution, or being given up to the Soviets, many fabricated intel outright. Some even rose to prominent positions in the CIA during the Cold War.
That's another twist on the whole bizarre neo-con story: that former nazis did so much to exacerbate cold war paranoia, often on behalf of neo-cons, whose ideology, especially preemption, is largely shaped by the trauma of the holocaust.
Totally bizarre.
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mJJ
October 31, 2009 11:41 PM in reply to pterophylla
Nah!!!! The real amateur hour was having Cheney as his vice president. Well now that I looked at the phrase, in this one instance, "VICE" does seem to reflect the appalling criminal mind that Cheney had. Of course, G. W. does not get off. He is the slothful kind that allowed Cheney's behavior and thus ruining the reputation of our party for years to come.
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mJJ
October 31, 2009 11:53 PM in reply to pterophylla
Yes indeed! Cheney's statement surely reaks of silliness. I used to have this little retarded friend when I was in the first grade. When I was making unkind statements of others, he would remind me, "when you point you finger at others" he always used to say, "Look when you point your finger at someone else, you always are pointing your thumb at yourself." And he was right!
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mJJ
October 31, 2009 11:58 PM in reply to pterophylla
True, but then Cheney has never conquered the idea of bad mouthing others before one is near perfect always reminds others of one's shortcomings. Although I doubt Cheney has much insight to the damage he did in his role as the Bush advisor and now for his inability to keep his mouth shut. G. W. has such class when he does not run down the next administration but alas, Cheney just blabs on and on.
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dweb823
October 30, 2009 5:56 PM
Almost as "amateurish" as hiring the children of Heritage Foundation job applicants to work in Iraq, not because they had skills, but because they were loyal party members.
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pv2k
October 30, 2009 6:02 PM in reply to dweb823
"...loyal party members."
I beleive the words are loyal Bushies.
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jeffgee
October 31, 2009 9:55 AM in reply to pv2k
AND they had to oppose abortion, because that was such an important issue post-invasion Iraq.
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Overreach THIS!
October 31, 2009 1:36 AM in reply to dweb823
Hey, they had to pass rigorous tests! "What do you think of Roe vs. Wade?"
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CranialRectalLoopback
October 30, 2009 6:14 PM
Penis Cheney said the trip happened during the Bush/Cheney amateur hour?
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hologram5
October 30, 2009 6:22 PM
The only amateur hour was the one where the US elected this asshat and his band of cronies into any office of power.
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datora
October 31, 2009 5:27 AM in reply to hologram5
I seem to have missed the part where they were elected. Would you mind refreshing my memory ..?
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jeffgee
October 31, 2009 9:56 AM in reply to datora
But, but, but they weren't called czars!
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gparks
October 31, 2009 10:32 PM in reply to hologram5
The ONE thing we KNOW.... Dick Chaney is DISTURBED!!! Well ... more like ... INSANE!! See below how disturbed he is ... twice in just 3 sentences from this article.
---Cheney said The New York Times piece was disturbing. Cheney said he was most disturbed because it was now being made to look as though the vice president had personally sent Wilson on the trip. The vice president said that all he had done was to make a legitimate inquiry of a CIA briefer in February 2002 about Niger and Iraq.--
I as a voting US citizen am DISTURBED too!! DISTURED that the RNC/Repub/Conservatives/Supporters continue to present (hoist upon) the American peoples DISTURBED individuals for elective office ... Bush/Cheny, McCain/Palin ... not to mention the cast of characters in the propaganda arm (Fox "News")!
OH, sorry about the misspelling of ChAney ... I am reminded of Lon Chaney and the characters he played in the old "Horror" movies ... you know ... the ones where he terrorized, murdered, became blood sucking animals, never died and never went away! Happy Halloween booooooooo!
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JohnW1141
October 30, 2009 7:27 PM
Its been my constant contention that Fitzgerald let Cheney off the hook, and, I might add, Karl Rove. Fitz allowed Rove to return to the Grand Jury 4 or 5 times to explain or expand on his previous testimony. Rove probably committed perjury but was given chances to get off the hook by Fitz.
These papers will be compared to records of interviews of others involved.
And this is what Obama doesn't want to investigate.
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diachronic
October 30, 2009 7:55 PM in reply to JohnW1141
Obama should receive no mercy for his continued desire to let Cheney's crimes slide. We can add to the irony of the former VP calling the CIA "amateur hour" when Feith- aptly called "the stupidest fucking man on the planet"- was his idea of a professional (!)- the irony of a President who doesn't seem to understand the clusterfuck he inherited in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the US from this amateur Torquemada.
In fact, Obama should be prosecuted for his collusion in covering up the crimes of this predecessor. I think his drone exploits in Pakistan qualify as war crimes under the GC.
Forget amateurs and professionals. I will be happy to see a non-war criminal occupy the WH. I doubt I will see that in my lifetime. Failing that I would like to see them prosecuted by a professional!
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LeeJo
October 30, 2009 10:26 PM in reply to diachronic
Sadly the crimes that Cheney may (most likely) have committed against any number of U.S. statutes and against international law are not going to establish any groundwork for a prosecution of the "Dick" head.
What we must do is, be sure that the "revisionist" in chief, young Ms. Liz Cheney is not given any opportunity to recreate an alternative reality.
Liz Cheney is dead wrong about virtually everything she has spoken about. She should be muzzled.
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lousgirl84
November 2, 2009 3:55 PM in reply to diachronic
Oh BS. I think Obama has way bigger problems on his hand with Afghanistan and this economy. He still has 3 years to go. Who knows what's lurking at the DOJ . It is up to congress to investigate - not the President. Obama accomplishments
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ivy22
October 30, 2009 7:46 PM
Dicky is dithering with the truth.
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TheRealFish
October 31, 2009 2:33 PM in reply to ivy22
Um... yes.
Like that there was moderately-compelling evidence offered up that the whole Niger trip was created in response to a desire expressed from the office of the VP to get over there and collect supporting evidence, maybe???
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NobleCommentDecider
October 30, 2009 7:53 PM
....amateur started the day George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their band of incompetent lying Republican hacks took the oath of office, we will be paying for their 8 years of failure and arrogance for many years to come.
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Bob in AZ
October 30, 2009 8:25 PM
Cheney "advised that he has no idea" who leaked Plame's name to Bob Novak.
Translation: I got no idea 'cuz not one of those hundreds of people I told to do it ever stepped up to take the credit.
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EdA
October 30, 2009 8:48 PM
Unfortunately, with every passing day, more and more crimes committed by Dick Cheney and his henchmen become exempt from prosecution due to the statute of limitations. Already most of the first term of the Cheney-Bush Administration is beyond the reach of justice.
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diachronic
October 30, 2009 9:12 PM in reply to EdA
What would Obama gain from prosecuting Cheney, versus what would he gain from letting them slide?
I don't think Obama believes Presidents should be within the reach of justice. Nothing expedient in that.
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Arabiflora
October 31, 2009 12:29 AM
How CONVENIENT that this release happened on the Friday of Halloween weekend, it may as well have dropped on christmas eve or never, for all the difference it makes.
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Gerald Loftus
October 31, 2009 3:25 AM
Cheney forgets that Joe Wilson wasn't the first "amateur" to check out the story:
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=carlton_w._fulford
Marine four-star General Carlton Fulford came to the same conclusion as Joe Wilson one year before the US invaded Iraq. A US Ambassador and a 4-star Marine general... "amateurs?"
Check out my foreign policy comments on Avuncular American:
http://avuncularamerican.typepad.com/blog/
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Pete Bilderback
October 31, 2009 7:36 AM
I would think the real story here is not Cheney's assessment of the CIA (who cares what Dick Cheney thinks?), but rather the mountain of evidence that suggests the Vice President of the United States lied to federal investigators. And yet Patrick Fitzgerald declined to indict him. It appears that some people are above the law in the United States.
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TheRealFish
October 31, 2009 2:41 PM in reply to Pete Bilderback
And yet...and yet. There's a strong possibility Fitz wanted somebody to flip on The Dick, thought he might just be able to squeeze it out of Scooter, but underestimated Scooter's willingness to fall on his sword for the Prince of Darkenss.
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JohnW1141
October 31, 2009 7:39 AM
Lets see what the MSM delves into, the list of those who visited the Obama White House or the just released Cheney interviews.
Watch the Sunday morning shows for the answer.
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bill
October 31, 2009 9:48 AM
This sad and pathetic Republican and Bush administration Dead Ender exemplifies the Republican ideological mania for publicity, paranoia, fear and hate, belittling those greater than he will bring the spotlight to himself and much sought attention. Desperation Bonus for them: Hopefully, the pot banging will distract from the fact that the Republican Party and Dick Cheney have nothing to offer the nation. What else shall we talk about, Republicans? How about: The Global Climate Change 'Hoax', Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, Liberals destroying traditional marriage, .... Oh, where are you, Terry Shiavo?!
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jeffgee
October 31, 2009 10:00 AM
This Joe Wilson: "You Lied!"
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Hoost
October 31, 2009 11:41 AM
What does his hog of a daughter have to say about this?
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Seafarer
October 31, 2009 11:46 AM
In hindsight, was Cheney even qualified for any of this?
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TheRealFish
October 31, 2009 2:43 PM in reply to Seafarer
Not even in foresight.
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Cato's Ghost
October 31, 2009 11:57 AM
At some point you folks will have to stop clinging bitterly to the demons you've conjured up, which exist only in your mind. I know many of you find reading difficult, but you really should check out the Senate Subcommittee on Intelligence Report where you'll learn many things, but find no support for your sad and delusional conspiracy theories. I think you'll also find the next 20 years extremely painful, as George Bush (and yes Dick Cheney) experience their own, Truman-like rehabilitation as their foreign policies are increasingly vindicated by events. I implore you, leave the cave and step into the sunlight - there is a world beyond the sad TPM chat rooms filled with life's losers. Your old road is rapidly fading, please get out the new one if you can't lend a hand...
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lcdrrek
October 31, 2009 12:33 PM in reply to Cato's Ghost
After reading some of the FBI interviews with Dick I am horrified to see that someone with obvious dementia was a "heartbeat" away from the Presidency.
From what he couldn't remember a year after it occurred I am amazed he could find his office on his own.
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Scott in PacNW
October 31, 2009 12:52 PM in reply to Cato's Ghost
The first poster was right on target. The only 'amateur hour' was the delusional chickenhawk neocons invading Iraq (among other epic failures).
Let's recap their amateur claims: WMDs, flowers & music, mission accomplished, cakewalk, invasion will pay for itself, stuff happens, etc.
As for Cheney, anyone who can shoot an old man in the face is capable of much worse than lying about revealing secret spy operations. The man belongs in jail, preferrably at The Hague.
It's a national disgrace that he is not.
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Hector
October 31, 2009 5:22 PM in reply to Cato's Ghost
"I think you'll also find the next 20 years extremely painful, as George Bush (and yes Dick Cheney) experience their own, Truman-like rehabilitation as their foreign policies are increasingly vindicated by events." Could you give us some details on what "events" to be looking for, in vindication of what "foreign policies"? Thanks.
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gparks
October 31, 2009 10:35 PM in reply to Cato's Ghost
The ONE thing we KNOW.... Dick Chaney is DISTURBED!!! Well ... more like ... INSANE!! See below how disturbed he is ... twice in just 3 sentences from this article.
---Cheney said The New York Times piece was disturbing. Cheney said he was most disturbed because it was now being made to look as though the vice president had personally sent Wilson on the trip. The vice president said that all he had done was to make a legitimate inquiry of a CIA briefer in February 2002 about Niger and Iraq.--
I as a voting US citizen am DISTURBED too!! DISTURED that the RNC/Repub/Conservatives/Supporters continue to present (hoist upon) the American peoples DISTURBED individuals for elective office ... Bush/Cheny, McCain/Palin ... not to mention the cast of characters in the propaganda arm (Fox "News")!
OH, sorry about the misspelling of ChAney ... I am reminded of Lon Chaney and the characters he played in the old "Horror" movies ... you know ... the ones where he terrorized, murdered, became blood sucking animals, never died and never went away! Happy Halloween booooooooo!
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anna am
November 1, 2009 10:06 AM in reply to Cato's Ghost
Truman's been vindicated? Funny. What I've read in the past couple of years delves into some rather nasty stuff -- like the fact that the Japanese had all but officially surrendered by the time Truman went ahead and nuked them, and that his decision to go ahead was largely based on his wish to scare the living crap out of Stalin. See what we've got big guy? We'll use it on you rooskies too.
That the kind of foreign policy that makes you tingle, fella? No wonder you like Cheney.
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GregorZap
November 1, 2009 10:34 AM in reply to Cato's Ghost
What are the signs of a rank amateur? I don't know, maybe shooting an old man in the face thinking he was a pheasant?
Cheney has no weight in the matters of espionage, but he does a mighty fine job at treasonous behavior.
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Cal Gal
October 31, 2009 12:52 PM
I wish I had an audio bit of Al Franken from his show in Air America, "LIAH"
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GTFOOH
October 31, 2009 1:31 PM
God I hope the Cheney's keep talking...They are getting stupider by the minute!
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oleeb
October 31, 2009 2:36 PM
And what does this tell us? That Dick Cheney is a good liar. What a revelation!
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datora
October 31, 2009 6:42 PM in reply to oleeb
akshuly ... not so good
As per his mentor, Dr. Goebbels, he does repeat his transparent lies. ad nauseum
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truthspeaker
October 31, 2009 3:45 PM
Is it just me, or do all these 'conpugs' resemble each other. I look at Lou Dobbs, 'the Dick' Chenney, Rush 'the fat one' Limbaugh, this guy in NY-23, and they all have a peculiar look about them. Now I don't know if that is b/c they are all so full of hate, or b/c they are always saying no, but they sure seem to be of a different species. Please help me understand this phenomenon,somebody, anybody.
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rbe1
October 31, 2009 3:59 PM
For Cheney to characterize anything as amateur is a laugh riot. What do you call the war in Iraq, if not a laugh riot, prosecuted by a bunch of rank amateurs , none of whom ever spent time in uniform, not even to peel potatoes.
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Leftflank
November 1, 2009 1:22 AM
What tremendous foresight in this guys name. The connotation is perfectly suited to the political penis that cheney is. If we could only forget him as fast as he pretends to forget about his crimes.
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ralembik
November 1, 2009 7:44 AM
That Cheney's attorneys would not agree with the FBI's request to "refrain from any external discussion" of the subject matter of the interview with "any unauthorized persons" [interview memo p.28] is concerning. This sort of refusal to cooperate is inconsistent with someone seeking the truth or at least staying out of the way of the truth-seekers' jobs.
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