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Anti-Abortion Extremists Auction Lurid Prison Art On eBay To Raise Money For Tiller Murder Suspect

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Supporters of the man charged with the May killing of Kansas abortion doctor George Tiller are raising money for his legal defense through an eBay auction on items including prison art glorifying the murder and a commissary cookbook by the woman who is serving time for shooting Tiller in both arms in the early 1990s.

Allies of Scott Roeder want to hire a private lawyer who will use a so-called "necessity defense," arguing that the killing was justified.

(See a slideshow of the now-scrubbed items here.)

Auction organizer Dave Leach told the Kansas City Star, which first reported the auction, "I really am hopeful that eBay can see that once this is up, that it is not a glorification of violence."

But the items, like illustrations produced by a fellow inmate and signed by Roeder, do just that. One David-and-Goliath drawing shows a figure with a sling holding up a severed head labeled "Tiller" standing over a bloodied body labeled "Child Murdering Industry."

In a note on the eBay listing, Roeder wrote:



His name is Jason Dubrowski and is one of the best artists I've seen in here. The drawing of the man and woman at Tiller's tombstone was done in response to the opinion page depiction which I included. The drawing of the field of babies tombstones with the newspaper headline comments of Obama was done after a Christian newsletter printed this illustration which a lady in Valley Center sent to me. The David and Goliath depiction was my idea. I hope they help get the message out there.

There is currently one bid of $50 on the three drawings. A note handwritten by Roeder on the David illustration reads: "To all you precious prolifers, Thank you for all your support!"

An eBay official told the Star that the listings would violate its policy against "listings that benefit someone charged with or convicted of a crime," but the auction has gone ahead anyways. The seller of the items is listed as mission.of.life, who joined the service October 30.

Also for sale: a Prayer and Action News Army of God Edition, which is a handbook for shutting down abortion clinics.

The description of the manual's author -- auction organizer Leach -- boasts that he is "publisher of The Partnership Machine and Prayer & Action News, a newsletter Scott Roeder subscribed to prior to the shooting of George Tiller."

Another item is Shelley Shannon's Prison Cookbook -- yours for $15. As the item description notes, Shannon "has 9 more years ahead of her for shooting George Tiller in both arms in 1993." It description reads in part:

Try to imagine a whole building of women who are not allowed in any kitchen! Never ever, for years! So what do they do when someone has a birthday or is celebrating leaving? They can't order a cake at Piggly Wiggly! So they get creative.

Stay tuned, we're digging more into this and will have more today.

Late Update: Leach tells TPMmuckraker in a phone interview that he has put up a "prolife bible" and any proceeds will go to benefit Roeder, but he's not sure how yet. A description with the Bible explains: "Therefore when people want to censor only that "vio-lence glor-ifying" speech which God justifies, it should be obvious that their real target is that speech which glor-ifies God."

He says he was aware that other items -- like the David and Goliath illustration -- were sent to anti-abortion activist Regina Dinwiddie, but he had not realized that they were being auctioned. Dinwiddie previously told the Kansas City Star she intended to auction the items we described above.

Late Late Update: eBay has not responded to our request for comment, but the items have now been pulled from the site.

Even Later Update: Anti-abortion activist Dinwiddie explains her thinking to TPMmuckraker. And we post eBay's enumeration of violations.

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November 2, 2009 9:53 AM   

Wy aren't the proceeds going to Tiller's estate?

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November 2, 2009 10:16 AM    in reply to Oro Lee

Assuming Kansas has a law on the books that prevents criminals from profiting from their crime, there would be two reasons. First, Mr. Roeder isn't doing anything himself to profit from the crime (like writing a book about it and selling the book). Regardless of your feelings about their beliefs and tactics, these folks are perfectly within their rights to try and raise money for his legal defense. Ebay is equally within its rights to bar the auctions if it so chooses (it is disappointing that it seems not to be following its own policies). Second, Mr. Roeder has not yet been convicted. In the eyes of the law, he is still innocent.

Following the law and the political process is what makes our side better than theirs. Imagine people on the left holding a bake sale for the defense of someone charged with trespassing to protest a war or a plutonium processing plant. Would you say that those proceeds should be forfeited because the charged individuals broke the law? I'm not equating murder with trespassing. Just illustrating the point about due process of law and the right to a vigorous legal defense. For the life of me, I can't think of much of anything that the left fringe will kill for, except possibly some of the environmental loonies out west. And, they deserve a leagl defense, too.

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November 2, 2009 10:17 AM    in reply to Oro Lee

they will eventually be attached under the 'son of sam' law and go to the victim's compensation fund.

i saw this on rachel maddow last week.

no way any of these proceeds end up paying for roeder's defense.

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November 2, 2009 10:38 AM    in reply to fkaZk0sm0

I thought E-Bay had canceled the auction...

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November 2, 2009 12:32 PM    in reply to jenzinoh

even if they can't hold the auction through ebay, it doesn't mean they won't still auction this garbage off.

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November 2, 2009 10:26 AM   

He is also selling a delightful screed by this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bray

Who, apparently, dated Kathie Lee Gifford!?

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November 2, 2009 10:28 AM   

Talented artist? My preteen can draw that well, but she doesn't have it in her to deptict that level of hate. I see there is one bid for $50. While it may go up it doesn't look like these pictures are attracting a bidding war (seriously, what would the buyer do after getting them? Frame them and hang them above the mantle?).

I find it sad that the person who murdered Dr. Tiller (we all know Roeder is innocent until proven guilty, but there was a church full of witnesses) is the good guy to many in this country. Abortion is legal. Murder isn't. Dr. Tiller was killed in a church in front of his congregation. How many were victimized by witnessing that? That anyone sees Roeder as a hero shows just how skewed their values have become. Being pro life when it suits you, hardly makes you pro life.

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November 2, 2009 1:57 PM    in reply to loria

"we all know Roeder is innocent until proven guilty"

Actually, we are presumed innocent. Facts are facts, the accused either did it or not. A verdict of not guilty doesn't mean the accused is innocent, just that the crime wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt. A lot of people who are guilty as hell are found not guilty.

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November 2, 2009 10:33 AM   

I complained to Ebay. Don't know if it will do anything, but it's worth a try.

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November 2, 2009 10:36 AM   

If you're registered with Ebay go to the listing (http://cgi.ebay.com/Drawings-Commissioned-by-Scott-Roeder_W0QQitemZ200401118000QQcmdZViewItemQQptZArt_Drawings?hash=item2ea8d66330)

On the right side of the page is a "Report Item link.

From the "Reason for Report" menu select "Prohibited (banned items)"

From the "Detailed Reason" menu select "Offensive or potentially offensive item"

This will take you to a page where you can submit a formal complaint. If EBay gets swamped with complaints they'll be motivated to take it off.


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November 2, 2009 10:52 AM    in reply to bvd

No need to do that. I assure you it's being taken care of.

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November 2, 2009 11:00 AM    in reply to bvd

Isn't it a telling sign that they are not interested in taking down the offensive items. There is a legal rationale for doing so besides a moral rationale. And yet they keep it up. I suppose there would be more press generated if they did take it down then if they leave it up. Either way is a sign we are in a sorry state when we cannot see our way to discouraging murder.

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November 2, 2009 10:49 AM   

This is old news. Rachel reported this last week.

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November 2, 2009 10:59 AM    in reply to lousgirl84

It was news to me. Also, it appears the items in question were removed from eBay sometime between when bvd provided the link above (10:36 AM) and now (10:58 AM), so perhaps this "old" news was rather timely after all.

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November 2, 2009 11:10 AM    in reply to lousgirl84

as i recall, maddow reported the plans for the auction.

tpm is reporting the actual auction that materialized from those plans.

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November 2, 2009 1:14 PM    in reply to fkaZk0sm0

I stand corrected. Thank you

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November 2, 2009 11:00 AM   

Sick. They are much more interested in violence than in saving lives even of the unborn. They are also way out of touch to think exposing their addiction to violence is going to help their cause.

And I wish to pay tribute here to the courage and kindliness of Dr. Tiller who actually cared about women and children.

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November 2, 2009 11:09 AM   

David Leach has been pulling this crap in Iowa for awhile. He buys time on local access TV and wanted to show his video of people walking into a Planned Parenthood clinic. Classic d-bag.

http://iowaindependent.com/15657/tiller-assassination-suspect-linked-to-des-moines-activist

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November 2, 2009 11:13 AM   

All of their items, except for one, have been taken down in the last few minutes.

I have reported their "Abortion is Murder" bumper sticker set, and I expect that it will be taken down shortly as well.

I would have thought that with all of the negative press this received last week, that Ebay would not have had these items up for bid as late as this morning, which they did.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. So many things you thought were taken care of seem to pop back up as soon as people stop talking about them.

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November 2, 2009 11:23 AM   

"Allies of Scott Roeder want to hire a private lawyer who will use a so-called "necessity defense," arguing that the killing was justified."

Justified? How?

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November 2, 2009 11:30 AM    in reply to Kuyleh

“Indeed, ‘taking the law into your own hands,’ as the idiom goes, is morally, legally, and spiritually dangerous territory,” he said. “But to say it is never right or legal is ignorance of our own laws. Every state has some version of the Necessity Defense, which says if you break a law to save a life, it’s not a crime....when human law conflicts with God’s Laws, “we ought to obey God rather than man.”"

So says Roeder's BFF and #1 fan, David Leach.

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November 2, 2009 11:38 AM    in reply to Kuyleh

No judge will allow them to make that defense. But basically the strategy would be to show the most graphic and disturbing anti-abortion material imaginable to the jury and then say "he did this to stop this." That in a nutshell is the so-called "necessity" defense. It is not so much a defense as it is an attempt to hopelessly prejudice the jury.

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November 2, 2009 1:17 PM    in reply to Pete Bilderback

Political grandstanding.

In defense of religioviolence.

A variation of, "God told me to do it."

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November 2, 2009 1:02 PM    in reply to Kuyleh

How about the old frontier phrase "he needed killing"?

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November 2, 2009 11:43 AM   

What is wrong with these people? They are pretty much condoning murder. These people should be jailed themselves.

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November 2, 2009 11:46 AM    in reply to hologram5

They. Are. Nuts.

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November 2, 2009 11:58 AM   

The content of some of the drawings is indeed glorifying and advocating violence and so do, IMO, violate Ebay's TOS. But the cause itself - raising money for his defense - is in no way wrong. In fact, I would say that attempting to block them from raising the money would be wrong, both ethically and legally. Yes, he deserves to be convicted of murder; yes, the necessity defense is outrageous; and yes, the fact that these people exist at all is incredibly disturbing. But the rule of law must prevail, and the law provides that even the most heinous criminal is entitled to a speedy, fair trial - which includes the right to competent legal counsel who must, like it or not, be paid. Letting ourselves forget that and be drawn into their absolutist, anti-democratic world would actually be the biggest win for those people who would seek to impose a theocracy on us.

To quote from one of the greatest movies of all time: "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."

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November 2, 2009 12:05 PM    in reply to Bama Belle

They get a lawyer. By law. They are choosing to raise money to pay for a lawyer of their choosing. They are selling items created by convicted/charged felons and in doing so they are making earnings off their works. You cant do that.

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November 2, 2009 1:02 PM    in reply to akira

You can't profit off the crime for which you've been convicted, i.e., the son of sam laws. That's a different thing from selling unrelated cookbooks, art, etc. In fact, many prison systems facilitate sales of items like this, using the creative process as therapy. See, e.g., http://www.katu.com/news/49131467.html. Now, if you have court-ordered restitution, then any money you make (except, depending on the specific law, some amount that goes for your own expenses in prison) goes towards that amount. But, in the absence of any such restitution, yes they can make money off of these works, and yes they can donate it as they so choose. Again, a lot of these drawings seem to cross the line between advocating violence and advocating a cause. But it's a fine line distinction that we really want to be careful about as a free society.

Also, the money cannot go to Tiller's family yet, as he has not been convicted, and no restitution has been ordered. I'd note that I personally find the idea of recording the names of people who support some cause, but who have not broken the law, and using the legal system to go after them in some way to be disturbing.

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November 2, 2009 12:41 PM    in reply to Bama Belle

"...the right to competent legal counsel who must, like it or not, be paid."


you misunderstand the right to counsel.

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November 2, 2009 12:16 PM   

Let people bid those drawings up. Collect the names, and collect the money for Tiller's family.

Although anybody who would pay $$$ for the drawing shown in the article is truly a dumbass; I've seen better work by 8 year olds.

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November 2, 2009 12:58 PM   

Just because you're surrounded by evil doesn't mean you can't make some money from it!"
-Phil Austin as Dr. Bill Infermo

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November 2, 2009 1:08 PM   

So just how is this (especially given the comments that accompany the auctions) not material support of terrorism?

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November 2, 2009 5:28 PM   

So now that eBay has withdrawn the items, will the anti-abortion fanatics go after Meg Whitman, who is running for Governor of California, even though she's no longer involved with eBay?

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November 3, 2009 10:15 AM   

I would like to contribute a recipe to the cookbook.

http://vncuisine.blogspot.com/2008/12/boiled-fetal-duck-egg-ht-vt-ln.html

Boiled Fetal Duck Egg, a Vietnamese delicacy.

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