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One conservative writer is already declaring -- without citing any evidence -- that Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter who killed 13 at Fort Hood yesterday, was acting at the behest of the Muslim Brotherhood. So it's a good time to lay out what we do and don't know about the Fort Hood shooting case and the Army psychiatrist at the center of it.

In an interview with Frontpagemag, author Dave Gaubatz blames the Fort Hood killings on, among other Muslim groups, the Council on American-Islamic Relations. He says that Hasan was carrying out "the orders of the Muslim Brotherhood." And he suggests that Hasan was sent out by radical Muslim leaders:

Malik Nabal Hasan [sic] is a terrorist supporting the ideology of Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and yes, CAIR. In Palestine, the leaders send out the young and vulnerable to carry out the murders in the name of Islam. The same is happening in America.

In fact, CAIR released a statement denouncing the shootings almost immediately after reports of the incident:


No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. ... American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured."

Other Muslim groups have put out similar statements.

Gaubatz is the author of a book we've been following at TPMmuckraker -- which has been endorsed by four House Republicans -- called Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that's Conspiring to Islamize America. He has labeled President Obama "Muslim" and openly questioned the loyalty of the two Muslim members of Congress.

We've seen no evidence at this point that Hasan, who is Muslim, was acting on behalf of any group. But it's been reported not just that Hasan is devoutly religious, but also that he may have proselytized in inappropriate contexts. Fort Hood's base commander says that he shouted "Allahu Akbar" -- Arabic for "God is Great" -- before opening fire.

Meanwhile, Michelle Malkin hails a "brilliant essay on the MSM whitewashing of jihad" in Pajamas Media. But from our vantage at TPM headquarters, the major networks have been acting responsibly on this front: giving the alleged shooter's name and reporting the shout of "Allahu Akbar," but hewing closely to the known facts.

Authorities were reportedly concerned about -- but did not formally investigate -- at least one Web posting by a "NidalHasan" that praised suicide bombers. "Scholars have paralled [an American solider jumping on a live grenade] to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers," the commenter wrote on Scribd. There is no confirmation that Hasan is the commenter.

And the New York Times reports that the Virginia-born Hasan, son of Palestinian parents, had a long-held desire to get out of the Army. NPR reported this morning that Hasan had had troubles professionally, and an unnamed psychiatrist who worked with him at Walter Reed told the station he often didn't show up to work on time and didn't seem to take his work seriously.

At a lecture Hasan delivered for colleagues, NPR reported, "instead of giving an academic paper he gave a lecture on the Koran and they said it wasn't, didn't seem just like an informational lecture but it seemed to be his own beliefs."

The Christian Science Monitor tracks downs the origins of the report that Hasan has been critical of US foreign policy in Iraq and Afghanistan:

Terry Lee, a retired Army colonel who knew Hasan, told Fox News about a story he heard secondhand. He said a fellow colleague had told him that Hasan had made "outlandish comments" about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and US involvement in them and that "Muslims had a right to rise up and attack Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan."

In all of this, it's also worth remembering -- especially given the three-plus hour period yesterday when the military and the media were reporting that Hasan was dead, only to find out he is very much alive -- that initial reports are sometimes simply wrong.

Late Update: Spencer Ackerman highlights a bogus report on WND -- also the publisher of Muslim Mafia -- which runs under the (false) headline: "Shooter advised Obama transition."

Late Early Afternoon Update: The Army has now confirmed that Hasan was set to go to Afghanistan with a unit that provides behavioral health counseling. And the AP reports he cleared out his apartment in recent days, saying he was going to be deployed today.

Later Update: Bloomberg has an interesting piece that offers a somewhat more precise picture on that lecture we noted above. And a doctor who knew Hasan tells the wire service that Hasan "regularly described the war on terror as 'a war against Islam.'"

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November 6, 2009 11:44 AM   

...and here comes the hate speech.

How long until someone questions allowing Muslims to serve in any capacity related to the DOD?

How long until someone brings up internment camps?

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November 6, 2009 11:54 AM    in reply to Seafarer

"How long until someone brings up internment camps?"

Hasn't Malkin been calling for those for years?

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November 6, 2009 12:01 PM    in reply to Acewrap

If she hasn't, she will be now.

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November 6, 2009 4:02 PM    in reply to Acewrap

But weren't the wingers warning us about Obama's re-education internment camps?
Now I'm confused. Are they in favor of internment or not?

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November 6, 2009 11:56 AM    in reply to Seafarer

They won't be able to contain themselves.

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November 6, 2009 3:23 PM    in reply to Seafarer

You should check out the "discussion" on the 9/12 Project website. They were running with it from the moment his name was mentioned.

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November 6, 2009 4:24 PM    in reply to Seafarer

Actually, didn't Fox and Friends mention a couple of times that the military needed to examine all of their Muslim recruits carefully and get them to submit to questioning or the like?

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November 7, 2009 3:33 AM    in reply to Seafarer

I can understand your fear; but we should do the same thing for Christians. Don't forget Timothy McVeigh nor the white "Christian" who shot the guard in DC or the "Christian" who shot the doctor IN CHURCH, or the man who shot several people IN CHURCH who also claimed to be a Christian.

This is just one-sided thinking.

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November 9, 2009 12:33 AM    in reply to revjmike

McVeigh was anti-government after witnessing WACO personally. He wasn't a racist according to Gore Vidal who exchanged letters with him in order to understand his motivations. We need to keep this factually correct.

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November 6, 2009 11:59 AM   

This is more then hate hate speech.
It is intentional citing to violence.
I am not sure what can be done about it other for good people to stand up against it but don't expect to much from politicians when it comes to being rational with the part of the American people that take pride in their anger and their hate.

I sense this is just the start of the right to politicized this and create a backlash against the religion of Islam and anyone minority.

Watch now for the extremes to suggest a "purge" is needed of the military as they bring their calculated hate into the halls of congress and expand it beyond this country into foreign policy where "bombs are needed to speak for real Americans".

I hope wiser heads do prevail and while some might suggest this to be hyperbole ,look around and ask yourself if you anticipated the degree of hate talk we have seen the last few years.

No, the provocateurs and the "network" will not allow this opportunity to elude their manipulations.

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November 9, 2009 12:38 AM    in reply to jadez

You're probably right. Desperate power mongers will not let an opportunity for demagoguery pass them by.
Stoking racial or class tensions activates the crazies, and divides the population keeping us a weak political force that could dethrone them.

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November 6, 2009 12:06 PM   

And John McVay acted on orders from the Christian Coalition.

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November 6, 2009 12:13 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

Tim McVeigh.

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November 6, 2009 12:16 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

Thank you. I was about to post the same thing.

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November 6, 2009 12:35 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

Mick Fleetwood was involved as well.

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November 6, 2009 12:40 PM    in reply to Prefabfan

well played, sir

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November 6, 2009 2:22 PM    in reply to pppwww

Tim McVeigh not withstanding, the thing that sends me over the moon every time we get a mass shooting is this NRA meme of "Crazy people are the problem - there's no broader story here."

But now instead of the right's "No big deal" stance on mass shootings, now it represent this crucible of deep meaning about America.

Republicans = hypocrites.

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November 6, 2009 3:25 PM    in reply to KingElvis

Yep.

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November 6, 2009 1:05 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

My, we are all so clever. Let's cut to the chase and dump ALL FUCKING RELIGIONS.

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November 6, 2009 1:14 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

I'm with that.

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November 6, 2009 1:41 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

I cosign million times over. Religion is poison to humanity (actually, to other species also )in more ways than I can count. A bronze age superstitions and blind worship of man made gods has absolutely no place in any society much less in the 21st century. Get rig of religion and more than half human self inflicted wounds will heal.
Religion, in short, is the worst human invention of all time!!

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November 6, 2009 1:57 PM    in reply to Beagle

The problem is not if people believe in God...it is WHAT they believe ABOUT God that matters.
Behavior follows from belief.

Dropping religion is a great idea.
Dropping Spirituality is not.

Not that anyone is claiming to drop Spirituality in this thread....but just to make it clear that there is much difference between religion and Spirituality.

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November 6, 2009 2:53 PM    in reply to Beagle

The problem is not so much religion as a particular type of religion- namely monotheism. If we could go back to paganism, no problem. Everybody worships thier own pantheon of gods and lets others do the same.

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November 6, 2009 5:03 PM    in reply to Virginia

I don't think it was so very live-and-let-live in that world. Seems to me there were a host of "my god can beat your god" wars throughout the ancient world. The Roman move to incorporate the local gods into their own pantheon when they conquered a new territory was an innovation.

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November 6, 2009 5:37 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

Wow,

Talk about hypocrites. Any time this kind of thing comes up, the anti-religion bigots come out of the woodwork with an equal level of hatred and ignorance that they so rightly condemn in others. The irony is so thick it's hard to imagine how they could be serious.

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November 7, 2009 10:15 AM    in reply to Eric

The difference being that "anti-religion bigots" reserve their hatred for a system that has proven repeatedly throughout history to lead to violence and intolerance, while the religious have a nasty habit of focusing their hatred on people with whom they disagree over matters that can never be settled. In short, yeah, fuck religion. You want to believe in a great sky fairy, be my guest, but ask for tolerance when your unprovable beliefs start impacting others.

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November 6, 2009 12:14 PM   

No one except all-white, Christian, 100% percent Americans should be allowed to serve in our Nation's Armed Forces!

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November 6, 2009 12:34 PM    in reply to Mooser

In that case, there is definitely going to have to be a draft, and I will be among the screwed.

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November 6, 2009 2:27 PM    in reply to Cool Blue Reason

Easy way out of such a draft - convert to Wicca (or anything else, really).

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November 6, 2009 3:38 PM    in reply to Redwood Rhiadra

In a "real" draft, they would no doubt look upon such conversions skeptically.

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November 6, 2009 4:29 PM    in reply to Mooser

Works for me!

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November 6, 2009 12:14 PM   

It is not as if Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was one of the doctors that appeared with President Barack Hasian Obama to promote the Obama Health Care Bill was he.
What is was was an act of killing of Americans, unarmed, waiting to talk to a doctor.
I am sure that lots of blogers will agree with this doctor and think that the police officer that stoped him was acting "stupidly".

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November 6, 2009 12:26 PM    in reply to hawaiian

Need a wingnut-translator to help you communicate with the real world, nobody will understand your gibberish.

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November 6, 2009 1:15 PM    in reply to hawaiian

UGHHHHHH!!!!

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November 6, 2009 2:06 PM    in reply to hawaiian


To who it may concurn i have to leevbe to chair the 3pm meeting of MENSA be backe later

signed hawaiian

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November 6, 2009 2:26 PM    in reply to JohnW1141

Kille teh sosialish Notzis hoo invated Glen Bek's kolon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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November 6, 2009 3:26 PM    in reply to hawaiian

Please learn simple grammar, spelling & sentence structure before posting

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November 6, 2009 12:15 PM   

I remember shortly after 9/11 President Bush visiting mosques and saying that a terrorist group 'had hijacked Islam.'

If he were to make such a claim today, the movement conservatives would probably denounce him as an anti-American terrorist-lovin' radical.

I'm thankful that we have a clear-headed President today and not McCain/Palin. Could you imagine?

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November 6, 2009 12:30 PM    in reply to Jack of All Tirades

Actually, based on your observation one might argue that only McCain/Palin would be in a position to credibly clamp down on right-wing paranoia in this environment.

Whether they would do so is another question, of course, but it's clear that there is nothing Obama could possibly say to assuage these nuts.

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November 6, 2009 1:18 PM    in reply to Cool Blue Reason

Perhaps the ability but certainly not the inclination.

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November 6, 2009 1:18 PM    in reply to Jack of All Tirades

NO I CAN'T IMAGINE AND DON'T WANT TO.

SHUDDER!!!!!

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November 6, 2009 12:22 PM   

This was a failure on the part of everyone. This guy was bad at his job, possibly harassed, made people uncomfortable, hated the military, and somehow he was STILL given orders to deploy?

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November 6, 2009 2:11 PM    in reply to Willow

Two wars on and no draft. FELONS have been ordered to deploy.

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November 6, 2009 12:23 PM   

This is going to get ugly. It won't be long before we see an ugly outbreak of McCarthyesque posturing from top Republicans in Congress. Yesterday's Bachmann rally shows who is running the show on the Republican side now.

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November 6, 2009 1:31 PM    in reply to Pete Bilderback

I watched some of it on Keith's show last night. It really was pathetic (and even comical to a degree) to watch these people (who are responsible for making laws no less), being a bunch of whackos. The minority leader doesn't know the Preamble is not part of the Constitution yet he was holding it and waiving it in his hand; the other dick (a doctor) no less, went on some tirade you would expect from a child. I could hardly believe it.

These people are fucking crazy and have literally lost it!! How could anyone with half a brain and a touch of common sense take these people seriously? So according to the MSM, the moderates and independents who voted for Obama who are now supposed to be so disenchanted with him, that they would vote for these people?? Are you kidding me?

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November 6, 2009 7:27 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

I think I read that Boehner's confusion was over the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
Meanwhile, the Preamble _is_ part of the Constitution!

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November 6, 2009 12:34 PM   

McCarthicization is well underway. They are desperate to find some connection, even remote like both belonging to the same solar system, to make a connection between the president and the accused just because both have names that sound islamic.

Even bigger witch hunt will be against those who look or sound muslim. While horrific and major than others, the simple fact is these types of "snap" incidents had happened in Fort Hood even earlier.

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November 6, 2009 12:34 PM   

Was he given deployment orders as payback? For his online posts? If so, he had no right to do what he did (obviously) but he sure had the right to be pissed.

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November 6, 2009 12:39 PM    in reply to Prefabfan

Everyone in the military gets deployed at some point these days. We are overstretched to the breaking point. That's probably why theyalmost rubber-stamped this clearly disturbed man all the way to Afghanistan.

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November 6, 2009 1:41 PM    in reply to Dorn76

This, to me, puts the spotlight much more on the issue of the overstretched military. That they were willing to deploy this guy despite his incompetence and obvious issues, is the most troubling part of everything.

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November 6, 2009 2:16 PM    in reply to Willow

It is obvious that a volunteer army cannot sustain this level of armed engagement in remote corners of the world. But it's politically poisonous to say that, for both parties.
A draft is absolutely necessary at this point, but won't happen, with innumerable consequences, all of them tragic.

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November 6, 2009 4:36 PM    in reply to diachronic

Quickest route home...DRAFT! This war will end in a heartbeat if the draft (with no exceptions other than severe medical) is reinstated. Even cheney would have gone...that's the draft I want this time.

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November 6, 2009 12:37 PM   

Never heard of Frontpagemag or author Dave Gaubatz (except for TPM reporting on Gaubatz).

The fringe of the fringe. Hard to know their influence but glad you guys are keeping track.

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November 6, 2009 2:30 PM    in reply to Scott in PacNW

Frontpagemag has been around a long time, I remember seeing them like ten years ago. They're really, REALLY out there, like rense.com level out there. Unfortunately though they're more well-connected than one would hope to some conservatives considered "mainstream"...

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November 6, 2009 12:41 PM   

The WorldNet authors have clearly succeeded. They know it's a complete lie but want CNN, MSNBC and Fox to run headlines claiming "Was there a connection between Hasan and Obama?" Of course the answer is NO but it's the same tactic when they tricked the media into asking, "Was Obama born in Kenya?"

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November 6, 2009 4:39 PM    in reply to traitorjoe

How I wish I could say "Oh, don't be silly," but I know better.

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November 6, 2009 12:42 PM   

Sounds like Malkin is back to her racist-fascist roots. She applauded the brutal internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII -- a round-up for which Ronald Reagan apologized.

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November 6, 2009 12:51 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

Malkin reminds me of the headline from the Onion's "Our Dumb Century" - "Japan Forms Alliance with White Supremacists in Well-Thought-Out Scheme."

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November 6, 2009 2:33 PM    in reply to Jack of All Tirades

Isn't she Asian? It's like Micheal Steele applauding Reagan's "war on drugs" that resulted in massive increase in prisoners - mostly black.

These people aren't sadists as we've thought all along - they're masochists. I guess that's better...sort of.

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November 6, 2009 2:58 PM    in reply to KingElvis

Regardless of his skin color, Michael Steele ain't Black by any stretch of the definition.

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November 6, 2009 4:07 PM    in reply to Schmed- ley

She's of Filipino ancestry, I believe. Perhaps she's motivated by hatred of ethnic Japanese, or self-hatred as an Asian, or is just enamored with state-run concentration camps (oh the irony!). I don't know.

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November 6, 2009 12:51 PM   

Here we go again. In my community I know a couple of people foreign born that have been American citizens most of their lives. They are kind people with good character. They happen to be Muslim. After 9/11, they were viewed with suspecision and their businesses suffered. I hope this does not happen again. It is no more reasonable to group these people than to say all Christians are dogmatic cretins like James Dobson, or all blond caucasions are idiots like Glenn Beck. We don't vilify all Germans because Hitler was German and we need to remember that nearly all Muslims are as horrified by violence as everyone else.

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November 6, 2009 12:57 PM   

Like we have never heard of or ever seen a Christian, Jew, Atheist or even Hindu, murdering a bunch of people somewhere (in a Church/school/market place/street..!) with a gun, bomb, knife.......? Whats religion got to do with bat-shit crazy...?other than some sort of "Divine Justification"....? the fear of Muslims, that the "right" is ginning up, appears to be justification for the invasion, destruction, theft and murder, in the middle east..just another handy excuse for racism, hatred and intimidation of the black, brown, yellow races..any where they can be found, ..even with-in their own sovereign nation...no one, thing, resource, is safe...(from the rich, greedy, old white men, of the U.S.)

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November 6, 2009 12:59 PM    in reply to Chabuka

But weren't the Muslims and Democrats responsible for Columbine and Oklahoma City?

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November 6, 2009 2:10 PM    in reply to Chabuka

From website about.com...."McVeigh admitted to investigators after his capture, that he was angry at the federal government for the way they treated white separatist Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho in 1992 and with David Koresh and the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas, in 1993."

So all the separatists in Texas should be screened-out....and all the fundamentalist Christians should be screened out. And, of course, all Scotsmen.

Malkin is nauseating & despicable.

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November 6, 2009 12:58 PM   

By the way, where and how did he get his guns?

As usual, the last thing anybody will mention is the deranged current interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

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November 6, 2009 1:48 PM    in reply to Why oh why

Dude, he's an Army major. You know, one of the guys that the 2nd amendment provides for. If the Army can't have weapons, then we're totally screwed, military-wise.

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November 6, 2009 2:10 PM    in reply to Schmed- ley

You would think there would be some rules, though, about having them with you on the base. It's not like a shrink would need to have semiautomatics to do his job. Army is all about rules/protocol.

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November 6, 2009 3:47 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

I'm no right-wing gun nut, but this is actually a pretty powerful illustration of what can happen when everyone is disarmed, versus everyone having a sidearm.

If a crazy guy bursts into a room and starts shooting 40+ people, your best defense isn't saying, "Dude, you're breaking protocol!"

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November 6, 2009 4:12 PM    in reply to Cool Blue Reason

But everyone wasn't disarmed. That's the point, there is no prohibition about firearms on the base. If they had metal detectors and people only had weapons WHERE APPROPRIATE (like a firing range, etc), there'd be no shooting on the base.

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November 6, 2009 4:59 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

There *are* rules prohibiting firearms on the base. Everyone *was* disarmed with the exception of MPs, who were able to respond and disable the assailant only after he shot 40+ people.

Now imagine the same scenario if everyone had a sidearm.

I'm guessing that's what military bases look like in theater, and perhaps at least in this one respect they're actually safer over there.

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November 6, 2009 5:16 PM    in reply to Cool Blue Reason

Now imagine the same scenario if everyone had a sidearm.

Yeah, maybe there would have been 60-80 people shot instead.

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November 6, 2009 5:13 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

The point is, a rule (or a metal detector), is no defense against an attack such as this. Maybe it cuts down on "everyday" gun violence that might otherwise take place, but it doesn't help against an "active shooter" type situation in which someone is determined to come in and kill a bunch of people. In fact, making sure everyone in a certain area is disarmed pretty much invites it -- or at least amplifies the impact when it happens.

I am reminded of the early days of our training the Iraqi police force, when an entire graduating class was sent home unarmed -- and were promptly rounded up and executed by insurgents. Maybe there are places where a "no one is armed" policy makes sense, but I would argue that a military base is not one. An "everyone is armed" policy would probably be safer when mass shooting attacks on personnel are possible and in fact likely.

Another example -- would you argue that police officers or federal agents should be disarmed when they are not "on duty" and when they are "on base"? Seems like it would be a great invitation for criminals to take them out directly.

I mean, even for those of us who are "anti-gun" in the sense that we want the state to more fully monopolize the use of force, and for citizens to be disarmed (whether this is a good idea is another matter) -- the military and police are the ones who are supposed to be armed 24/7.

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November 6, 2009 5:13 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

There are rules; NPR said something this morning about the investigators looking into whether he had registered those weapons with the base as army regulations required.

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November 6, 2009 2:17 PM    in reply to Schmed- ley

From what I read, he used two handguns - and he's a doctor. My guess is that those came from his personal arsenal.

A question the media won't investigate, that's for sure.

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November 6, 2009 2:54 PM    in reply to Why oh why

There are rules for personal weapons on military bases. And yes, the Army is already looking into whether or not Hasan followed those rules.

BTW, EVERYONE in the military these days has personal weapons. EVERYONE. Pacifists don't join a voluntary military.

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November 6, 2009 3:10 PM    in reply to Schmed- ley

And with the number of veterans suffering from PTSD, the number of similar incidents is sure to increase in the future.

The next time a former soldier buys an AK-47 then goes on a rampage in a supermarket because he thinks he's back in Fallujah, PTSD will be blamed (unless he's a Muslim or gay), not gun laws.

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November 6, 2009 3:54 PM    in reply to Why oh why

I'm confused -- are you saying it's wrong to blame PTSD (and the perpetrator) versus blaming "gun laws"? Because I'm pretty sure that when an individual is deranged enough to kill people, the legal status of his weapon is not exactly a very weighty factor in his mind.

Gun rights promoters are concerned precisely about this kind of situation -- one in which laws are being broken. Disarming all of the law-abiding citizens (and thus further empowering the criminals) is not necessarily the best response.

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November 6, 2009 3:57 PM    in reply to Why oh why

And to be clear, I think efforts to completely shut down black and grey markets for firearms are going to work about as well as criminalizing and policing narcotics has for decades on end. Which is, to say, not at all.

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November 7, 2009 9:41 AM    in reply to Why oh why

They already are investigating it. I've heard a lot about the type of guns, the type of bullets, and that there's no way those guns could have killed and injured so many people, that some of it had to be friendly fire because of the number of bullets the guns could hold, which makes sense. I've also heard that they're personal guns, not issued by the military, etc. They're definitely talking.

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November 7, 2009 3:27 PM    in reply to Why oh why

Of course the media will investigate where the guns came from. One report stated that they were not military issue.

I'm curious myself. I'd bet that he purchased them legally at retail less than 3 months ago. This is, of course, entirely idle speculation on my part.

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November 6, 2009 2:33 PM    in reply to Why oh why

He was on a military base - probably issued at least one sidearm - amd was in a room full of personnel deploying to Iraq doing paperwork. The question isn't why did he have a gun, but why didn't everyone else in the room...... guessing most folks on base aren't armed.... but if they were - I have a feeling this guy wouldn't have been able to shoot 40+ people.

The question here does seem to be 'Why not more guns' ---- or perhaps why do we have a military.

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November 6, 2009 3:02 PM    in reply to Syncrofly

There are actually very few guns allowed on bases. Usually the MP's carry them and a few others. The vast majority of people on base are usually unarmed. On some bases, the vast majority of people are civilians (govt. employees or contractors), so you wouldn't expect to see lots of firearms in those cases.

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November 7, 2009 8:27 AM    in reply to Why oh why

One of his guns was legally purchased at a gun store in Killeen according to an ABC report. They call it a "cop killer" or something like that, because it can shoot through bullet proof vests. That was the gun he used.

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November 8, 2009 12:23 AM    in reply to seashell

I suspect that if everyone on a military base went around carrying sidearms that instead of a few mass killings (how many like this episode have happened?), you would have a run of just a few deaths on a regular basis. When you have a group of people trained to think that killing is an acceptable way to resolve differences, every time there was a disagreement, someone would end up shooting someone else. And the justification would be "I had to shoot him before he shot me."

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November 6, 2009 12:59 PM   

So, it turns out this Hasan is a devout muslim, born and raised in VA..and went straight to the Army after HS and the Army has paid for all his education from UG to MedSchool. He claims to have endured harrassment since 9/11 about his faith..and he went to the Mosque daily and refused to take pics with females. Despite praying daily at the mosque, on his army forms under religion he listed no preference. (Screams serious psycho problems) To top all this off, this mofo's JOB was to listen to soldiers who just came back from fighting 'ragheads' to help them readjust.

Can anyone see anything wrong with this picture?

I mean WTF...isn't that like having a KKK go to therapy with a AfricanAmerican(AA)...only 10x worse, cause the soldiers were there fighting for their country!! Imagine how fresh and vociferous their hate was and for Hasan to listen that.So, . And why oh why would the military even consider such a therapist 'appropriate' for men coming back from war, where ihs faith was obviously not just an issue for them but him as well? What kinda twisted ass therapy is THAT? Who the hell is listening to who? I mean do you think the Army would have sent fresh back from the War soldiers in WWII to see a German or Japense doc, how about a Korean doc following being deployed to Korea or even a Vietnamese doc following coming home from Vietnam. Everyone knows the soldiers called these folks, kikes, kooks, chinks and today they call those folks over there in the MidEast...sandniggas! So, whose brilliant idea was this psycho arrangement? Having a 'raghead' destress men/women who just got off the plane from killing them? GMAFB!!!

This story just jumps out and shouts...see only the AmericanNegro is uniquely qualified to deal with the schizophrenia created by America's hate, Hate, HATE!! Seems Hasan was freaking out about being deployed to fight OTHER MUSLIMS!! Was talking publically (storeowner where he got coffee every morn) to folks about how it was conflict with his religious.....now don't that just sound like ALI (the vietcong ain't did nothing to me)

I am just completely appalled at the inanity of this story. Hassan had some serious mentally issues about being an AmericanMuslim...and he was freaking out about being deployed to fight them....while listening to soldiers straight out of IraqandAfghan spew hate about Muslims.

Now, I am not having any sympathy/empathy here at all 4Hassan (eventho' I get it)...cause no one has endured what the AmericanNegro has....and AA's still enlist with the military. AA's are the highest percent ethnic group and the group of Americans most opposed to the war at the same time! So, I ain't feeling Hassan's actions....just saying...American Negro...BEEN THERE DONE THAT

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they STILL STANDING!!

My heart and sympathy and well wishes goes out to all the soldiers and their families who were wounded and who may have paid the ultimate scarifice to a man who did not know how to assimilate in an AMerica that hates him! I wish them a speed recovery and God's strength and grace to endure this terrible tragedy.

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November 6, 2009 1:43 PM    in reply to whiterosebuddy

Sounds like you are mind-reading an awful lot. Maybe Hassan was just an vicious asshole? Maybe just a lone psycho who liked to kill? A lot of times supposed political / religious motives are an excuse for someone who is essentially a deranged criminal. McVeigh comes to mind. Or think of the bullshit excuses the Columbine killers made (and some people made for them). Turned out they weren't bullied, they were just assholes who wanted to kill people.

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November 6, 2009 3:03 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

"Sounds like you are mind-reading an awful lot"

Huh? Whose mind was I reading. Hasan publically told folks he was having difficulty with the idea of killing other Muslims, that was against his religious views. And he was also a psychiatrist assigned to help PTSD soldiers...no mind reading there.


." Maybe Hassan was just an vicious asshole? Maybe just a lone psycho who liked to kill? A lot of times supposed political / religious motives are an excuse for someone who is essentially a deranged criminal."

Sounds like you are the one mind reading..here. Nothing in his bkgrd know to date indicates he is a vicious asshole. In fact, his bkgrd indicates he was a peaceful devout American Muslim.

Maybe you know more about how religion is an excuse for criminality..but my post does not imply, infer nor suggest such.

Have a nice day.

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November 6, 2009 4:03 PM    in reply to whiterosebuddy

"Nothing in his bkgrd know to date indicates he is a vicious asshole."

How about killing innocent people, including a pregnant woman.

Sounds like a vicious asshole to me.

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November 6, 2009 3:10 PM    in reply to whiterosebuddy

Can you try to imagine what it must be like for someone to listen to the horrors PTSD victims live with, all day, every day? To see and hear the hell our soldiers will live with the rest of their lives and then to think of going to the place where it happened and having to participate? I do not in any way condone what he did but his religion plays little or no part in it.

When you put it all together and add a mental disorder of his own, you have the perfect recipe for a tragedy.

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November 6, 2009 1:06 PM   

HBO should be replaying "The Seige" by this Sunday.

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November 6, 2009 1:32 PM   

As soon as I heard the shooter's name, I suspected something crazy like this would come. There is another crazy idiot, Jerome Corsi- a birther, I might add- who is has written an essay on... wait for it- WND site... claiming that Hasan (the shooter) played an advisory role on Obama's transition team, which is already debunked!

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November 6, 2009 1:33 PM   

i knew this would happen. it has already started in a yahoo chat group i belong to. i hate this, it puts other islamics in this country in danger of being attacked/murdered

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November 6, 2009 1:41 PM   

More Shocking and latest details on this case: http://www.70news.com/shocking-details-fort-hood-triggerman-muslim.html

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November 6, 2009 2:23 PM   

Why is it that every time a Muslim commits a crime in this country all Muslims groups are expected to come out and denounce the crime? But,when a so called "Christian" like Scott Roeder commits a crime no one expects all Christian organizations to come out and denounce those acts? And we know for sure that Roeder committed his murder in the name of his religion, we are not even sure about that yet with regard to Hasan.

I knew the minute I head the shooter's name that all Muslims in this country would have to go on high alert. If someone vandalizes a mosque or hurts a Muslim in this country in the next few days, people like Malkin and Ackerman should be arrested for inciting hate crimes.

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November 6, 2009 2:26 PM   

What the heck is the "Muslim Brotherhood"?

Wikipedia claims it is a political party in Egypt, Kuwait and some other countries in the area.

Is the guy just randomly imagining there is an abstract "Muslim Brotherhood" or is he actually claiming an Egyptian political party was behind the shooting?

Or is the idea that they're just all in cahoots-- middle eastern political parties, CAIR, al qaeda and all?

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November 6, 2009 2:49 PM   

I'd say we can forget about the religious angle.

After all, wasn't it Jack Ruby who once gun-runned munitions pilfered from Hood across the Gulf to Cuba for Carlos Marcello?

The bad news of yesterday is a bit too resonant for this responder and I fear that it will result in driving Obama further into the convoluted arms of the Pentagon. I KNOW the Pentagon, and it's minions out here on the Left Coast. A WWII hospital once stood at the location at Ft. Hood where the Deployment Center now stands. I and my best friend from younger days were there at Hood with the First Air Cav when the division returned stateside from Nam. Every couple of months I had to pull nightguard there at the hospital, protecting that abandoned, decrepit pile of wood from terrorists. Or at least, from one or another closet-firebug.

But yes, I gotta admit to having drunk the Kool-Aid surrounding events of November 1963 a couple of hundred miles north. Sorry Mister Bugliosi, but I think that your recent "magnum opus" is a pile of rationalized crap. How could you or anyone be so absolutely certain, when over a million documents regarding the whole affair remain sealed and still secret and will not be released (along with other and so many pertinent Kennedy papers) for another eight years?????

Those still-young Kennedy boys rode themselves right into a box canyon that year, right with their ballsy admiration for guts and intrigue and at this late date it becomes apparent that it all backfired on them. Not one family member has ever voiced doubt (publicly anyway) over the Warren Commission edict. Why would any of them do so? Why would they admit that both JFK and RFK had been had that day, right abouts when Jackie crawled up out of the rear seat onto the trunk of the limousine, to grab that larger piece of JFK's brain??

Right: too much Kool Aid... But here's to suggest that you check out what Waldron and Hartmann have written about all of the ballsiness and guts of that singular year, 1963.

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November 6, 2009 3:22 PM   

I live here in a very "red" part of Virginia, and yesterday evening about 6 p.m. I was in the presence of someone whom I know has Fox News on virtually all day and throughout the evening. At that time I don't believe the name of the shooter had been revealed, moreover, the fact that there was a lone gunman had not been concluded, but when President Obama came on (a replay of an earlier appearance) expressing outrage at the act and sympathy for relatives of the victims, this individual went off, venting at the TV screen image of the President about "his being at fault" for what had happened. From there it became very apparent that this event had already morphed into the Republican's much anticipated/hoped for attack proving that Obama and the Democrat's can't keep America "so called safe".

In the spirit of their beginning the politicization of the event,I said, "Nah, U.S. intelligence assessments going back at least 4 years have been saying the invasion and occupation of Irag, if not the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan have contributed mightily to the radicalization of Muslims worldwide and significantly increased the number of individuals bent on jihad including terrorism, and if this is only a case of PTSD, etc., then 3, 4, and 5 deployments was bound to lead to a major incident like this eventually. Ergo, in either or both cases, this is Bush/Cheney's fault!" Well, needless to say, that set off the mutually assured destruction of tossed ephithets......America hater, fascist, etc.!

I haven't seen this individual since the reports have been filled in and corrected to indicate a lone shooter, with an Arabic name, American born, of Palestinian extraction, totally educated post-secondary by the U.S. military, an MD, a psychiatrist, one who treats PTSD at Walter Reed and Ft. Hood, and a commissioned, field grade officer, a Major, to boot. I think I can safely conclude that today this individual like so many others like them (but a minority of voters) will be somewhat confounded, if not frustrated, with the "keep us safe/soft on terrorism" angle a la Dick and Liz Cheney given the facts reported so far. However, they never let facts get in the way of an opportunity to provide "catnip" to The Base. So, in the spirit of "going with what they have", the proliferation of wack-a-doodle-nalia is inevitable and probably just getting started. After all, here it is November, 10 months into Obama's presidency, and they have not only not destroyed him, but the guy consistently polls over 50% approval, and the Democrat's endeavors in Congress, while frustratingly slow, refuse to die, also. THIS wasn't the plan.

I don't expect the Right Wing to have any legs with any of what they consider cogitating, but given the Muslim (ostensibly, a devout one, at that) connection of Major Hasan, the location, Texas, on an Army post, with the ability of military justice to--at a minimum--trim due process and constitutional rights among other considerations, the opportunity to shape perceptions of this case for the public at large is greater than it would be for someone (Timothy McVeigh comes to mind)attacking a government installation and personnel, but having the whole thing, investigation, trial, sentencing, punishment going on in a typical American legal setting. I know it's early still, but has there been any reporting of Major Hasan having legal representation, any questioning of Hasan, what is the typical procedure for handling investigations, prosecutions of violent crimes by military members against other military members on military posts? Since this thing has predictably been "cudgelized" in the partisan wars, I'd like to hope and expect to see and hear from someone other than a military or other government official when the time comes to offer judgements, accounts of, or reporting (no, not Fake News) on Maj. Hasan's motives, rationale, what have you. In this case, the total impartiality, political or otherwise, of those who will quite likely control the flow and nature of the picture that emerges of Maj. Hasan and the events of Thursday, November 5 cannot be assumed.

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November 6, 2009 4:34 PM   

Anyone remember how quick some people were to blame Saddam Hussein or some other swarthy middle-easterner when it was rat faced white boy Tim McVeigh and his little white boy conspiracy who set off the big IED in Oklahoma? I don't recall rat-faced men with Scotch-Irish surnames being profiled after OK City.

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November 6, 2009 6:20 PM   

And upon whose orders was the man who killed the abortion doctor obeying? And how about the bomber destroying the building in OK City? The right wingers for whom these two had a preference?

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November 6, 2009 6:53 PM   

Keep in mind that there are extremists who operate from principled (in their mind) ideals. There are also many crazy people who are drawn to the vestiges of extremism because the structure helps them make sense of inner wanderings they don't understand. I can't tell you the number of people who shout out well known political phrases in the hopes in might make them part of something and in that way possibly whole again. From everything that has been reported Major Nidal Malik Hasan is more that than anything else. Those breakdowns exist in every ethnicity and race. We don't really understand why it happens but it would be wrong to assume that madness is equivalent to well thought-out and ideologically organized political extremism.

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November 7, 2009 12:29 PM   

Major Nidal Malik Hasan hates the US army, but he would take the money for the work.
Major Nidal Malik Hasan hates the United States and our governments ideals, but enjoys our freedoms.
Major Nidal Malik Hasan hates the American way of life, but enjoys our prosperity.
Major Nidal Malik Hasan would like to change our countries religions to fundamental extremism.
Major Nidal Malik Hasan is one screwed up human being.

I sense a new leader of the Republican party.

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November 8, 2009 12:14 AM   

"Good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things, but for a good person to do evil, you need religion." I forget who said that, but he wasn't too far off.

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November 8, 2009 8:36 PM   

Fact is that we are the most paranoid,violent society on earth.That is the reason for most of the mass killings. It is very sad that these kinds of things keep happening,and we are all powerless to do anything about is other than to try to place blame.

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November 8, 2009 8:44 PM   

Fact is that we are the most paranoid,violent society on earth.That is the reason for most of the mass killings. It is very sad that these kinds of things keep happening,and we are all powerless to do anything about is other than to try to place blame.

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